Media Shortcomings

[xanadu]

Are there others out there who feel that we punters are being short-changed by some so called media racing "experts?" These individuals are actually being paid to provide their "incisive" thoughts and let's face it, some are found wanting in their appraisals.
In recent statements by these "experts" we have heard comments, which, whilst not being word exact, the comments are as accurate as can be expected:
1) "if all the favourites won, nobody would bet"......duuuuh!
2) " the public are not entitled to know if there are to be a change of riding tactics in upcoming races"....duuuh!
3) After the recent Qld enquiry, another "expert" was heard to say something similar to: "doesn't matter if the punters have no confidence, they'll still back up next race, next day, next week.......
If you punters who actually keep this game viable think these comments are inappropriate then please share your views with the rest of we punting tragics.

Cheers.

[goldmember]

There would be plenty, but i'm not one, as i only listen to a couple of certain melbourne tipsters and NO -ONE -ELSE , i then turn the radio off and do my own form, use to listen a lot in the past but some of the dribble that they spit out is UTTER CRAP.

[topsy99]

i have never listened to the experts i assume they get as many winners or more than most but there is a trick in it.
back in the days of joe brown and frank obrien and bert bryant we used to marvel at the similarities of the selections and the first 3 in the market.
statistically these win the higher percentage of races.
a tipster must be able to say he scores 33% of first selections to be a good tipster and what better way than to stay with the market.
as for inane comments generally i think they sound okay.

i like larry olsen as he is a considered commentator and doesnt get clever in his remarks.

[jose]

GM,who do you listen to?
I thought Shane Templeton was a pretty good judge but they have taken him off the Qld Tab station.
Do you know if he still tips?
And yes Xanadu I think they take us for mugs.

[Mr ed]

I think they're great, they give ****************house tips so the real chances odds are greatly enhanced, bring on more.

[luv2bet]

I dont mind brendan tupper. I always make my own decisions based on my own form study but occasionaly will have a small interest bet when tupper has tipped something for 1st or 2nd that is paying over $20. I agree with Ed, they do help in getting value for your horse when the herd is following them, its just a shame if they tip the horse you like. As far as those comments made I would take them with a pinch of salt. The average punter is a mug and probably deserve it.

[luv2bet]

check tuppers tips out today at Ballarat. 5 races, 2 trifectas, 2 out of 3 in other 3 races.... not bad.

[Top Rank]

I would suggest that your comments on so-called experts in the beginning probably spawned the thought that you should go with your own judgement.

I believe that if you follow the horses for long enough and immerse yourself in information for long enough there is very little someone else can tell you. Not to say that you should'nt be open to what other people say but there is so much information at your fingertips now that you can be become a so called expert yourself.

For starters I would never listen to a race caller for tips because his job is a race caller - duuhh. Similar vein for a journo.

I find in Sydney the thoughts of Dufficy and Lambourne worth listening to but ultimately my bets are my thoughts.

Is there anyone else who finds it a laugh that bookies give out free tips. Like they would want you to back winners with them.

[hawkeye]

punters must do some form to win at all over a period of time,those punters who rely on tab markets move will eventually be working for the goverment.

a punter should limit his or hers daily wages and bet when you think there is value.framing your own markets is a great head start and what joy it is when you price one at $2.75 then the tab or bookies offer $8.00 each way all day you then dont have to be right to often to show a cop.
some race callers often give good selections at odds that run well thats shows to me that they are doing there form as well as calling(how do they do it ?).
some callers tip 1.2.3 in most races mmm but all in order they do i fantastic job.
i like tippsters who can tell if they will lead easily,or there is so much pace in this it should suit those at the back of the pack.
be careful of early morning favourites on a saturday 10.00am media talk eg:6 tipsters,2 callers,all forms of tv,radio,paper all tipping no.3 in the first all of a sudden no.3 opens $1.60 but should be $3.80 pros have a field day when this occurs.
bet win only with the tote and each way with the bookies,treat trifectas and other forms of multi betting as a token bet.these bet types have higher take out figures and you will collect every pancake day,trifectas are good if you really hook in but you need plenty folding.
wet tracks are ok to bet in but they need to be class4 or better remember on a heavy track there will be 60% of the field who will not get through it that leaves 40% that have a winning chance.if any runners in that 40% are $9.00 or better and conditions suit then you step in and have a bet remaember bet when there is value if you rate one at $10.00 and they are offering $4.50 then ignore the race.
take note of your jockey he or she must have there eye in (nothing worse then watching a jock out of form these riders cannot hold there form all year round remember that most immportant.
good luck all.

[maverick1993]

Some great advice there Hawkeye ..good stuff.
personally i've never taken much stock in any media tipsters..

Today was good example ..Mr Kiseki was a risky e/w chance today at the Sunny Coast..Brasil tipped it a special and it jumped at around $4 ..for a horse up in class with poor form over rall...
the toppy was the better horse and won like it..
agree completely about trifectas..my strikerate has increased a huge amount largely due to an increased stake ..
same with 1st 4's..

[Desi]

Thank you all for the interesting and informative posts on this topic...Hawkeye, you mention value (which I hear a lot from other forum members) and I note that some members give selections but only on the proviso that the horse is paying a certain divvie and not to go below this...

I know that this has been asked before and excuse my ignorance...can I ask how do you determine what that minimum value should be (FYI, I have a rating system that Ive been working on) and if a horse wins then (as an objective viewer) would that not be considered good enough?....always hard to pick winners as it is...if one doubles one's $$$ is that an acceptable return?
And finally, if you mention win bets only on the TAB...is it safer to back each way and know that there is some return if your pick just misses out or does your experience suggest that there is a greater return in the long run?

Again thanks all for your contributions and have to say that I have a been on an accelerated learning curve these last 6 months...great stuff!!

[Desi]

Sorry, me again...Hawkeye, you briefly mentioned bet types and methods...I have had difficulty maximising the $$ benefit of my selections and find that at the end of long day that I end up slightly ahead or even or worse, way down...it seems that knowing when and what and how to bet has a major impact on one's $$$ (at the end of the punting day)...

I have found more success betting on smaller fields although good returns and value can be found in the larger ones and tend to avoid exotics as I agree (with you) that you need a lot of $$$ to be successful...however I have seen a few Quinellas (exactas also) go by but dont know how one bets on these to get maximum benefit...any thoughts please that might point me in the right direction?

[Mr ed]

Desi,

Win betting, in my opinion is overall the best option. unless your horse is double figures, then e/w or straight out place is acceptable. This is due to the greatly superior odds one can attain for win betting to the supposedly proposed 1/4 odds available the place, this is very rarely the case. e.g paying $3.00 win $1.30 the place. Value is extremely hard to evaluate, if you can do it, your a pro. But i feel you don't have to be an expert to bet smart. If you looks at enough races, betting changes etc, you'll start to get a grasp of roughly how much your horse should be paying.

I have not yet fully ventured into Multiple betting yet, but am keen to. I do video form, and analyse (ussually) every horse in the race, i feel my knowledge of a particular race could be used more productively using trifectas, exactas etc. As Mav and Hawkeye have stated, you can't be stinngy and leave viable selections out because they cost to much.

[john spencer]

Desi posed the question earlier as to " how do you determine value ?" . The answer is probably much like the perennial question of how long is a piece of string. There is no correct answer only personal preference.

In short though,value determines wherther or not you will make a profit over the long term . If you consistently back $2.50 runners and only win 33% of the time you will make a loss. If you invest the same money on $4 runners which you have assessed at $2.50 and you are right 33% of the time you will make a profit.The art is in identifying runners that are otherwise not considered winning chances by the general public. One must identify runners whose odds are not diluted due to mass media exposure, sky flashers, late mail tips on the radio etc .

Another method is to use work out the percentage chance of your horse and multiplying this by the decimal percentage odds of each horse. Where i have rated a horse showing $4.00 in the pre race market at 100 % ( or points) I invest 25 units ( 100% x 100/$4.00) whereas if I rate the same horse at 90 points I wager 22.50 units ( 90% x 100/$4.00) and so on. Hope this helps anyway.

John

[Desi]

Thanks John and Mr Ed for your input...

I listen to 2ky in the mornings and follow their racing programme for the week...I have noticed that while some of the pundits who offer tips are quite good (agree race callers can come up with useful picks...must record which ones are lol) generally the rest of them would appear to fall way below the success rate % of forum members (eg William, XPT, Mav, Mr Ed, etc.)


My observation though is (and has been pointed out by your posts) that having the data, information, tips or whatever is only part of the equation and perhaps I may be overcomplicating the whole thing but I think I can improve on not so much my strike rate but my $$$ profit if I have a different approach...

I will follow up on your suggestions- watching the markets...working out what I feel is value in relation to the markets...and calculating the appropriate amount to wager on selections...

Thank you again...

[Top Rank]

Desi,

You can't look for value unless you have a price for your selection/s. Alternatively if you have a system that returns winners 25% of the time, getting more than $4.00 for your selections may then be considered value.

Once you have your price you can then know if what you are getting is value or not.

You will find there are generally two types of people on this forum.
Ones that by whatever method, price their selections and then shop for value.

And then others (by far the majority) who have a system that selects a certain percentage of winners and they just accept whatever the best price is they can get, regardless of whether it is value. They then hope that the average of the prices they can get is enough to show a profit.

You will get arguments for one or the other and I am not here to say one is better than the other, the choice is yours, as it always is when gambling on the horses. Destiny is in your own hands.

[hawkeye]

Sorry, me again...Hawkeye, you briefly mentioned bet types and methods...I have had difficulty maximising the $$ benefit of my selections and find that at the end of long day that I end up slightly ahead or even or worse, way down...it seems that knowing when and what and how to bet has a major impact on one's $$$ (at the end of the punting day)...

I have found more success betting on smaller fields although good returns and value can be found in the larger ones and tend to avoid exotics as I agree (with you) that you need a lot of $$$ to be successful...however I have seen a few Quinellas (exactas also) go by but dont know how one bets on these to get maximum benefit...any thoughts please that might point me in the right direction?gday desi i find quinella betting fun more collects more often,choose ideally one meeting no need to bet on every rcea at that meeting when you find a race with limited chances say 4 selections and are certain that they are the only hopes then box them $6 for the $1 unit you will be surprised how often you collect,you wont get rich but lots of fun to be had.exacta betting is ok i like to put the short price fav to run second alone with say 3 or 4 in the market to win $4 for the $1 unit shorties have a habit of running second.good punting desi

[hawkeye]

Thank you all for the interesting and informative posts on this topic...Hawkeye, you mention value (which I hear a lot from other forum members) and I note that some members give selections but only on the proviso that the horse is paying a certain divvie and not to go below this...

I know that this has been asked before and excuse my ignorance...can I ask how do you determine what that minimum value should be (FYI, I have a rating system that Ive been working on) and if a horse wins then (as an objective viewer) would that not be considered good enough?....always hard to pick winners as it is...if one doubles one's $$$ is that an acceptable return?
And finally, if you mention win bets only on the TAB...is it safer to back each way and know that there is some return if your pick just misses out or does your experience suggest that there is a greater return in the long run?

Again thanks all for your contributions and have to say that I have a been on a
n accelerated learning curve these last 6 months...great stuff!!win only on the tab can give some great returns but when betting each way i suggest the bookies they return 1/4 ODDS THE PLACE WHEN 8 OR MORE STARTERS TAB NOT AS CONSISTENT EG.$9.00 WIN 8/1 and $2.10 PLACE10/9 bookies $9.00 WIN 8/1 and$3.00 PLACE 2/1 it doesnt sound like much but we back more plce getters than winners so overall better off thats if you can get to the track to compare odds good punting all.

[hawkeye]

gday desi i find quinella betting fun more collects more often,choose ideally one meeting no need to bet on every rcea at that meeting when you find a race with limited chances say 4 selections and are certain that they are the only hopes then box them $6 for the $1 unit you will be surprised how often you collect,you wont get rich but lots of fun to be had.exacta betting is ok i like to put the short price fav to run second alone with say 3 or 4 in the market to win $4 for the $1 unit shorties have a habit of running second.good punting desi i rarely bet at tamworth but there meeting on tuesday looks real good,take alook at these quinella suggestions and pretend you are working on the box four system.race1.1/3/4/5 race3.1/6/7/9 race5.3/6/7/9 race8.1/3/5/9 these bets would cost $24.00 for the dollar unit see what the return is at the end of the day.

[hawkeye]

i rarely bet at tamworth but there meeting on tuesday looks real good,take alook at these quinella suggestions and pretend you are working on the box four system.race1.1/3/4/5 race3.1/6/7/9 race5.3/6/7/9 race8.1/3/5/9 these bets would cost $24.00 for the dollar unit see what the return is at the end of the day.16/08/05

[Stix]

I dont mind brendan tupper. I always make my own decisions based on my own form study but occasionaly will have a small interest bet when tupper has tipped something for 1st or 2nd that is paying over $20. I agree with Ed, they do help in getting value for your horse when the herd is following them, its just a shame if they tip the horse you like. As far as those comments made I would take them with a pinch of salt. The average punter is a mug and probably deserve it.Brendan Tupper seems to go alright in his tips..... What is his background?

Naive aren't I !!??

[xanadu]

I heard a "tip" from a prominent media commentator today(25.7.06):
MR8 5 Baltic Storm
guess what....? it ran unplaced!
If there is any obvious evidence that some of these "tipsters" should hand in their licence then this is the prime example!
The bloke who gave his "inside tip" isn't a bad bloke but he should give up the punt and stick to his on-screen career.
Truly, this bloke's moniker from now on is:
Most
Unlikely
Gain,.......
....punters, stick to your own selections despite the "push" these "e*****s" give the punting public!

Cheers.

[breadman]

Brendan Tupper seems to go alright in his tips..... What is his background?

Naive aren't I !!??

BE FUNNY IF HE MARRIED A WOMAN WITH THE SURNAME WARE. HEHEHE

[brissy]

His nickname is "Whoppa."

[Top Rank]

Just on people getting married. Former good female tennis player Barbara Schett has married German champ Tommy Haas.
She has kept her own surname and added Tommy's. Quite a name, up there with Martha Focker from the Fockers movie.

[breadman]

Just on people getting married. Former good female tennis player Barbara Schett has married German champ Tommy Haas.
She has kept her own surname and added Tommy's. Quite a name, up there with Martha Focker from the Fockers movie.

LOL. THATS A CLASSIC. HEHEHE

[xanadu]

Does anyone else share my longheld misgivings that some media tipsters may not necessarily back or support the very runners which they recommend to the broader betting public?
Accordingly, punters, trust your own opinion and do a bit of your own formstudy/research and support the runner(s) which your own calculations suggest have a real chance of winning or running well.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR3 Wyong,

In the prelude to this race, I could not believe the logic of the commentator when evaluating the prospects of runners in the upcoming event!
He stated that No2 Nairobi won it's last start in a maiden and with the apprentice's claim(2kg) it held an advantage over the topweight, Twin Wing.
Twin Wing, the eventual winner(($1.6w $1.1plNSW) beat Nairobi in a close finish but on my calculations was an absolute certainty!
Any form student will confirm the most difficult rise in grade is from maiden class to class1. Yet, the eventual winner, Twin Wing(No1), had run a respectable race in Cl2 last start and was dropping back to Cl1 today!
Nairobi, had won a maiden last start carrying 51kg and was to carry 54.5kg today less the 2kg apprentice claim.
So,......I ask you ......where is the advantage for Nairobi? The topweight was always the class runner in the field and had a distinct advantage over Nairobi and proved this by winning, although the runner-up ran a respectable race!
Due to this "anomaly" I duly increased my bet on Twin Wing and duly collected.
Moral Of Story: trust your own judgment and wager accordingly!

Cheers.

[AdriamnT]

The only time I take 'tipster' input into my calcs is when they tip something way outside my ratings. I usually collect much more than I would normally expect :)

[xanadu]

Does anyone listen to the Saturday morning racing programs-whatever state that may be?
If you do then you would be going broke at an accelarating rate.
Some of these "tipsters".....well , what can I say.... their strike-rate would suggest that they may have to "get a real job!"
Why don't they get "fair dinkum" and tip the horses they feel have a real chance!
Any other sceptical punters out there....if so....please give us your views.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Well, the "Saturday crowd" as I personally describe these "tipsters" again failed to deliver. Their "specials" failed to salute the judge and one of their "lays" duly saluted, so, if they actually backed their own recommendations they would be broke in a very short space of time.....then again there is "arbitrage" isn't there?
Moral Of Story: Punters, please have faith in your own selections and support them accordingly........you will get better value!
On another note: I monitored a review program once and the panelist admitted that he rarely bets....well, what can I say.....it's like buying a motor vehicle from a used car dealer who had never driven a car!

Cheers

[xanadu]

The affable commentator stated that "we did our money in the first(Syd) but I guarantee that we'll get it back in the 2nd: SR2 5 Memorisation.
Well, it ran like a dromedary!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR5 1 Gorky Park ran unplaced,
kenchar is gunna give that anonymous tipster "heaps"
All in good fun!
Goodonya, cheers!
3:34p.m.AEDT
MR6 1 Polar Bear was a "MASSIVE" media push and hopefully no smart punters "fell" into this abyss-but, I am sure some "mug" punters did their money although all the signs were always there to "steer clear."
Some punters will never learn!

[xanadu]

Well, there was a "goose" at it again the other day bringing out all the cliches and speaking on matters which are way beyond him considering, as he conceded himself- he does not bet.
We will call him "postage stamp" from now on because as a "wise" observer once noted:"his knowledge about punting could be recorded on the back of a postage stamp."

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Oh dear.........,

Did anyone else hear the rant from a certain commentator berating the rule that connections are required to advise stewards and the betting public of a change in riding tactics?
He stated:..."why should they have to tell anyone....!" In his opinion if the stewards believe it was not ridden correctly they can take appropriate action.
Well, mate we punters live in the real world!
In this particular race the horse in question was ridden contrary to advertised tactics and duly saluted but the public were advised it was to be ridden in a completely different manner!
Yes, there should be a inquiry when such instances occur because the very people who pay your "fat" salary are those people/punters who should be protected from potentially dubious/suspect activities.
Now. go back to "Planet Zergon" or whatever planet you are living on because you definitely do not reside in the "real world!"

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Within a very short space of time, twice, I have witnessed a well-respected long-term race-caller nominate the wrong horse in a close finish.
I acknowledge that race-calling is a particularly demanding job but equally, it is very disconcerting to those punters whose runner is being incorrectly called.
Perhaps it is time to give this "trouper" a gentle tap on the shoulder(NB. not NSW).

Cheers.

[xanadu]

PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS A POSITIVE POST:-
Could I suggest that the ubiquitous Andrew Bensley be given his own program on TV. I have never witnessed a more informative "news-hound"/journalist, who provides the betting public with the absolute latest updates and information.
He is concisive, informative and does not resort to the "giggles" and cheap "white-anting" that some other less proficient commentators resort to, in attempting to "bring him back to the field."
Andrew, whose mobile phone must at times be in melt-down, continues to bring the pertinent news to the betting public, for which we will be eternally grateful. When does he get time to sleep............?
Could I suggest that other "hosts" take note and understand that the betting public do not want "pub comedians".....we want incisive, thorough reporting and there is none better than Andrew Bensley to provide the betting public with pertinent industry news.

Cheers.

[darkydog2002]

I have never heard of him.
Where might i find his comments please.

Cheers.
darky.

[xanadu]

He is a regular reporter on Skychannel and NSW racing radio 2KY! I presume he is also heard on 2KY's sister station in Victoria.
Have a good one.

Cheers.

[darkydog2002]

Ok and thank you.

Cheers.
darky.

[Raw Instinct]

Within a very short space of time, twice, I have witnessed a well-respected long-term race-caller nominate the wrong horse in a close finish.
I acknowledge that race-calling is a particularly demanding job but equally, it is very disconcerting to those punters whose runner is being incorrectly called.
Perhaps it is time to give this "trouper" a gentle tap on the shoulder(NB. not NSW).

Cheers.

Is it possible that this particular caller may have called his last Caulfield Cup last weekend as he has made some mistakes recently, I know it is a difficult job to get right all the time but he has made alot of mistakes over the last couple of years. I could have forgiven him last year in the Cox Plate however there could be nothing more nerve racking.

[xanadu]

Yeah Raw,

It is a particularly difficult, pressure occupation and I have nothing but admiration for our Aussie callers who are recognised as the best all around the world. Be it in Dubai, U.S.A. or HK these professionals have established themselves at the top of the tree.
I remember the icon Bert Bryant had to retire due to the blood vessels in the back of his eye bursting due to the incredible strain placed upon them.
However, time moves on and like the rest of us some of our skills that we took for granted, begin to wane.

Cheers.

[Mark]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22522083-5006021,00.html

[xanadu]

Thanks Mark,
Yes I have now read that article with great interest and some regret. Bryan has certainly had a stellar career during which he has held his own in an era when we have witnessed some of the cream of the race-calling ranks.
Everyone wishes him well and his replacement....Greg Miles?...is quickly establishing himself as a younger version of "the accurate one"....the one and only Bill Collins. NB. I'm not sure who will be stepping into the vacuum created with the departure of Bryan(one of Australia's best-ever callers), but Greg Miles would certainly be my nomination.

Cheers.

[Raw Instinct]

What was the name of the guy who used to call in Hong Kong he was from Cranborne I believe, I expected to see him take over somewhere when he got back home but I haven't heard from him since. I would have thought he would be a chance to take over this melbourne position.

[Top Rank]

Is it David Raphael you are trying to think of? (Not sure on the surname spelling)

[Raw Instinct]

Thats him Top Rank he is one of the better race callers I have heard

[xanadu]

I watched a fair bit of the free-to -air coverage and I must say I was completely underwhelmed!
One panelist continued to defend the rides of some jockeys which, "fair dinkum" were "barrycrockers!"
So, I suppose of the three panelists, "2 out of 3 ain't bad" as expressed by the legendary Meatloaf.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

I watched the free-to-air coverage and one commentator stated that it would be hard for any rider to adjust from the Melbourne Cup to the next race. being a Listed race.
He overlooked the fact that these top echelon riders are consummate professionals and give their best in any race in which they compete.
As per M. Rodd's ride in MR8: D.H. 1.00plNSW

Cheers.

[xanadu]

In respect of the "Takeover Target" debacle haven't some of our media commentators gone missing!
Most have followed the "company line" that the decision was correct considering the evidence provided.
Well some of those "so-called" experts belong in the pre-crustsacean period...meaning..."no backbone."
Make no mistake....in the circles that I mix there is an undercurrent of discontent with how racing in NSW is being administrated.
We call for....No, WE DEMAND, that an independent ICAC official be appointed to the Stewards panel!
That is not asking too much is it....HK already have this system and look at how they administer their racing....the absolute pearl of world racing!
I'm looking for support here so please contribute your ideas to see whether we can get some results.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

We must question the professionalism of some commentators when they...."sheep-like" agree that the officials made the correct decision in this growing controversy.
I ask the question: .....Who benefited...certainly not the punters.....!
Where is the consistency in respect of previous similar occurences and potential future occurrences?
The officials have certainly opened a "pandoras box" of controversy which results in the complete undermining of public confidence in the way that NSW racing is being adminstered.
I, for one, will be monitoring their decisions in future similar occurrences.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

I am particularly concerned when a particular commentator says:
"If I was a betting man......!
Where is his credibility.....?
If he doesn't bet then how can he express his opinion in an authoritive and credible manner....?
Let's face it....we punters are continually let down by these rather supercilious comments by some "commentators" who do not necessarily do their homework.
Come on fellas ...do your job and get it right......!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Who was that individual who appeared to mouth an expletive because his locks were being disturbed by a brisk breeze?
He then donned a cap which remedied his discomfort ..but what about an apology to the public?

[Mr Quaddie]

Most of these commentators indrectly get paid by the TAB, so they would not give out the winners. Their strikes rate sits around 20%. I could do that myself.

[xanadu]

Mr Quaddie,

Spot on.......!
I doubt if some of them would survive "on the punt!"
What about one bloke who doesn't even bet........!
Makes us wonder doesn't it?

Cheers.

[crash]

Consider this: Commentators and tipsters are having to make selections on all races. Now that's a big ask!

My wife used to work for the Herald Sun in Melb. The race tipsters and commentators cover 1/2 a floor in the building and they have to tip 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 100's of races plus write all the comments. Try it and see how you go.

Most of them rarely bet because they know it's a mugs game as far as trying to stay in front of the bookies go.Except for the tall story tellers, most of us here would have to agree with them.

[xanadu]

BR6,

the commentator tried his best to assure off-course punters that a "massive go" was on with a particular runner....but there was no way I would take any notice!
Result: this "hotpot" ran unplaced!
Fair dinkum...this bloke hasn't tipped a winner since "Noah was a boy!"
Work it out for yourself!
Perhaps he should enrol in the "Xanadu Academy For Tipping Excellence!"

Cheers.

[Mr Quaddie]

Which commentator was that? Cause the race caller picked FUHRNATIC, which won.

[xanadu]

I didn't back the Slipper winner but good luck to those that did.....!
HOWEVER,....in today's Daily Telegraph we witnessed the following quote:
"Undefeated filly who has been teamed up with 1995 Slipper winning hoop Glen Boss who should have no problems steering her into a winning position from the ideal draw."
"SHE.........?"
Sebring is a colt which undoubtedly is worth many millions of dollars after today's success!
Hmmmm........makes you/I wonder ... doesn't it.....hmmmm.....just call me "Mr. Mediawatch!"

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Who is that character that we in Racing circles have named: "the angry dwarf?
He is as wide as he is tall.......!
His opinions aren't taken seriously by any regular punters.
If you followed his "horses to follow" you would be dining at the soup kitchens provided by those angels, The Salvation Army."
Ask him ...does he back the very runners that he tips.....I think not!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Yeah, sure, ......,
I ask again, does that individual actually back the runners that he suggests/tips.....I think not....!
You're kidding mate.............!

Cheers.

[crash]

If your talking about who I think your talking about, your dead wrong. Last Sat there were 2 tips: 30/1 and another to 11/1. Both won as stated as did the tip before that he never mentioned [Helideck ...twice in a row at good odds]. Why wouldn't he back his own tips?

[JoeF]

Crash ......PP ?
If so, yes he does back them.

[xanadu]

No fellahs,

This bloke has never tipped a "special" over 2/1.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

The "form analyst" in his review of upcoming races stated:
...I don't know....I haven't got a clue.......!
Well mate, a number of the listening public would agree!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Why are certain media types "fawning" to a certain individual who was implicated in the jockeys tapes scandal....?
Terms such as "..good onya..good to see him back"...sicken the racing public!
What are their motives.......?
What about the ramblings of a certain "form analyst"- "the horse found itself unexpectedly back in the pack with nowhere to go."
Can someone tell this individual that horses are guided by the hoop!
His comments appear to be without any credibility as he appears to have a " biased view" to jockey's tactics...certainly not an ally of the punters!

Cheers.

[Stix]

Can someone tell this individual that horses are guided by the hoop!

Cheers.Ever had a horse/thoroughbred not go where you want it X?

High strung animals with wills of their own often don't want to go where you want them to.... I liken them to children under the age of 3 !

[maverick1993]

Huh ?? they only weigh atleast half a tonne of pure muscle and you've got that whole little peice of steel in their mouth as your sterering wheel !!

a monkey could ride those things around ;)

[Stix]

Huh ?? they only weigh atleast half a tonne of pure muscle and you've got that whole little peice of steel in their mouth as your sterering wheel !!

a monkey could ride those things around ;)....clearly some do...and get paid for it :p

[xanadu]

No brickbats this time....only bouquets.....!
This morning on Racing Radio 2KY the interviewee was Gai Waterhouse who was effusive in her summary of potential stable prospects today.
Although this a common feature of her personality I decided to heed her advice and much to my glee, results so far today have been:
SR1 4 Bianca WON $3.3w$1.7plNSW
SR3 3 Kishkat WON $2.9w$1.7plNSW
PR2 5 Fight And Defend WON $4.7w$2.1plNSW
and there may more to come later...well done by all.....!!

Cheers.

[tevez17]

No brickbats this time....only bouquets.....!
This morning on Racing Radio 2KY the interviewee was Gai Waterhouse who was effusive in her summary of potential stable prospects today.
Although this a common feature of her personality I decided to heed her advice and much to my glee, results so far today have been:
SR1 4 Bianca WON $3.3w$1.7plNSW
SR3 3 Kishkat WON $2.9w$1.7plNSW
PR2 5 Fight And Defend WON $4.7w$2.1plNSW
and there may more to come later...well done by all.....!!

Cheers.

Watch out for Glowlamp Later on in the day aswell! Big fan of this horse.

[xanadu]

SR5,
The Waterhouse "machine factory" keeps churning them out today:
SR5 8 WON $3.0w$1.5plNSW

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Toowoomba R1 No.2, Que:
I heard a very respected commentator quote this runner as 'Kew" and I can assure him by way of "The Oxford Dictionary" that the correct spelling is "que" -pronounced: "kay" and "s derived from the Spanish language and highlighted in that immortal series: "Fawlty Towers" by "Manuel."
Hope that clarifies things.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR8,
What about the media representative "rabbiting on" about the prospects of the short-priced favourite in this race. Any form student disregarded this "advice" and wagered on their own choice because this character hasn't tipped a winner since "Noah was a boy" and those who know their scriptures would be aware that according to the Bible was more than 700years old when he built the Ark.
Lucky this bloke works for a living as he would "starve" on the punt!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Toowoomba:
R1. 1 Que WON $3.0w$2.4plNSW
the commentator continued to pronounce this horse's name as "kew" and I can assure him that the spelling: "queue" is the correct pronunciation and "que" is pronounced "kay" as "Manuel" used to say.
Refer to the Oxford dictionary mate!
The government is trying to improve spelling and public speaking aptitude/standards and this irritating anomaly continues.....!

[xanadu]

Who is the panelist who is a non-punter and "brings nothing to the table" as far as his contributions to raceday result analysis is concerned?
He offers nothing to the punter(s) as far as form analysis is concerned and racing/form experts such as Sean Bartholomew and Dominic Beirne could provide a much better service to the betting public(imo).
In the meantime we long-suffering viewers(not for long) will have to tolerate his "putdowns" to other panelists, and I may add, he is the only one who shares in his mirth!
Anyone have any comments?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

I reiterate the comments of Alan Thomas who, today, praised Greg Miles for his call of the close finish in the Melbourne Cup.
As I said in a much earlier post I believe he is ready to assume the mantle of the legendary Bill Collins, "The Accurate One."
Good luck to him.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

I see the same "lame" panelist is still on a certain racing program.
In the circles in which I mix, people are threatening to "turn-off" if this individual is not "shown the door!"

[darkydog2002]

Here,s a system ( never been proven though )

Put a line through every tipsters selections and bet the rest .

i.e If there were 8 horses not tipped anywhere add 1 and Only bet those at $9.00 Plus.

Cheers.
darky.

[xanadu]

Fair dinkum.....!
Some of these "so-called egg-sperts" really need to have a good hard look at themselves!
A trained monkey could do better than some of them!
In fact an experiment was conducted and screened on Discovery Channel when a "monkey"(chimpanzee) randomly selected horses by pressing a buzzer for the runners which appealed to it.
Guess what.....it had a better record than more than half of the "turf egg-sperts" who actually are being paid for their so-called skills.
Makes you/me wonder doesn't it?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

What about when some of these so-called "egg-sperts" recommend "horses to follow?"
I know that some of them have been following the horses for years.....usually with a bucket and spade.......!!!
Some of their strike-rate is abysmal!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

I'm sure the usual media sycophants will applaude the decision to allow C. Munce to resume riding in Sydney.
To snub the directives of HK officials has the potential to damage international racing relations forever.
I hope the officials who made this decision are confident in their actions.
Most of the betting public whose opinions I sought think otherwise!

Cheers.

[crash]

You have to be joking. Munce would have had a suspension and fine here not jail. Good to see him soon back in the saddle . Sycophants my foot and stuff the Hong Kong Jockey Club, they don't rule the world. Like him or not, he's done his time and not making the rules here so get over it.

[xanadu]

crash,
with a "handle" like that you may "walking on very thin ice" as we do not know what the consequences may be "down the track."
It is similar to extradition treaties all over the world...if any nation "breaks ranks" then it may advertise that it is OK to break laws overseas(in particular nations) and seek sanctuary in Oz-where will that lead us...into a potential "cess-pool" of toleration.
I know the "silent majority" support my and CP's stance.
Haveagoodun.

[crash]

Flaming is not a good idea but as you can never help yourself: Don't worry about my handle, your's [mythical paradise] says far more old son. And as for 'silent majority'? That would be you I suppose?

[xanadu]

Yeah, right,
Look, it is "all done and dusted"...the decision has been made but I am wondering what "damage" has been done to our international reputation.
I believe that emotion has been utilized brilliantly by some individuals to secure their desired outcome...but, at what future cost?
I'll leave everyone to contemplate that.

Cheers.

[crash]

The point is: In the scheme of things, who cares?

[xanadu]

A lot of people do,
He'll be under intense scrutiny from now on!

Cheers.

[crash]

Maybe along with plenty of other jocks and trainers too [who have not yet been caught being naughty].

[xanadu]

That is precisely why I have been campaigning for an ICAC officer to be appointed to work with and also independently from the Steward Panel(ie. he/she reports directly to the Minister For Racing).
Make no mistake..this is no longer a "sport"... this is a $multi-million turnover enterprise and should be administered as such.
Any proven wrong-doers should incur the full penalties of criminal law.

Cheers.

[crash]

Make no mistake..this is no longer a "sport"... this is a $multi-million turnover enterprise

Cheers.

When was it ever anything else [this century anyway]?

[xanadu]

Well.......,
some of the scandals which occurred last century were treated in some sections of the media as being the actions of "larrikins" even though $millions of hard-working Oz workers' wagers were denied them due to nefarious tactics.
There have been numerous incidents which were criminal acts and were investigated and actioned accordingly.


Cheers.

[xanadu]

post82,
Well it didn't take long for the repercussions to unfold with the news yesterday that HK may ban NSW punters from wagering upon their product. The cause was not aided by a somewhat arrogant response from NSW racing official(s) who said: "so what!" and inflammatory comments such as: "it is like cutting off their nose to spite their face."
Also some "prigs" in the media asked: "do HK think they run racing?"
Well mate, take a look at how NSW racing is going presently with small fields being the aaaa! Maybe someone should take a long, hard look at how NSW racing is being administered.
Also, I ask if there is a turnover deduction shortfall from the lack of HK racing will the same official(s) make up the difference from their "fat" salaries?
Think about what you have done!
Also, today on 2KY the CEO HK Racing, Mr Bill Nader was interviewed and expressed his disappointment that relations between the two bodies has deteriorated. Importantly, he outlined the facts that C. Munce pleaded guilty to 35 counts/offences and chose not to lodge an appeal although this mechanism was in place-so he WAS given "natural justice!"
I have just heard that NSWTAB will not be betting on HK races this week(although this has been the case for some time now).
I hope the participants in this saga realize the repercussions of their actions as the betting public may be drawn into this maelstom, which IMO will not be going away for some time.

Cheers.

[michaelg]

If another Oz jockey gets into trouble in H.K. or even another country that has different penalties to us, I wonder how accommadating those foreign authorities will now be.

[xanadu]

michaelg,
Yeah, that's right because: "to every action there is a reaction!"
I also wonder if the hoop in question was an apprentice or a "Neville Nobody" senior rider would we see the same "outrage" or moral support expressed by some of the sycophants in the media?
Cheers.

[xanadu]

Who is the racing radio announcer who broadcasts with the aplomb of an ABC/BBC newsreader?
(no offence intended-all in good Xmas fun!)
havagoodun.

[xanadu]

What about some of these radio "tipsters/eggsperts.............?"
They are "fair dinkum" kiddin' aren't they.......?
SR5 13 unp
SR7 1 unp
MR1 1 WON $1.7w$1.3plNSW
MR4 8 unp
MR5 10 unp
MR8 10 unp
and they get paid for this "guff?"
what more can I say........?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

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[maverick1993]

Peter picked a pack of pickled peppers :)

Mr Wilson did ok in Brissie ,,i only had the one bet today Zero Rock and it paid $1.40 lol ,,,suppose its better than bank interest ...

anyway thanks for the pondering and perceptions,,dont know what we'd do without them :)

[xanadu]

Particularly well-perceived maverick,
please participate, particularly in perceived parodies of present-day players!
Please peruse particular parties' prognostications....!
You are particularly perceptive in your preponderences!

[rabbitz]

Low content. Moderator.

[xanadu]

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[crash]

I't might seem a bit obvious, but the best solution for punters with no faith in the punting media [or whatever] would be to do their own form perhaps and ignore/don't listen to, those coat tugger opinions entirely [?]

[maverick1993]

Nothing worse than thinking you've found something at value then have Mr Lester or Brassal flog the thing in the morning ,,, then on the other hand i love it when the tipping bandwagon tip something i think is vulnerable ,,great to lay and it also gives you better value for your selection..

[xanadu]

There was a race at Cranbourne today when the commentator stated "authoritively" that a certain horse would not be able to handle the 1200m of today's race.
Well, this particular runner jumped well and quickly joined the leaders most of the way and faded in the last 200m to finish a close 4th.
"Fair Dinkum" - this bloke is the "Kiss Of Death" for all punters and his betting method is similar to that of a 12YO.
Sheesh,
Why do they let him tip......?
He hasn't tipped a winner since "Noah was a boy!"

Cheers.

[Percentum]

I think Larry Olsen, Jack Petley and Ron Dufficy do a good job.

A local sports and occasional racing commentator asked what I think is probably the most inane question I've ever heard to a kick boxer (but probably, to most followers of this 'sport'penetrating and relevant).
I can still hear it in my mind's ear (wish I could get it out of there).

He asked, verbatim: ''Do you ever think about gittin' beat?''
My immediate thought was as I dropped whatever it was that I was doing: ''This is quality radio.''

Relevance, depth and eloquence in just seven words

[xanadu]

I must admit that I have certainly enjoyed the last couple of programs of a Sunday morning racing-orientated program.
The reason....the new panel member "knows what he is talking about" rather than the usual incumbent who always has an agenda-driven program in his lethargic summations.
More of the same please minus one "lame-duck!"
If anyone listened to Skysports Radio they would soon realize who the informative assessors of the racing game were!
Good Luck to Them!

[xanadu]

I was very pleased to see that Sky Racing has a "new" commentator/host...Gary Wilkinson.
Good to have you aboard "Wilko" and all the best to one of the most professional and versatile commentators in the business.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Isn't it great to have "Miracle" Mal Johnston on Sky Sports Radio each Thursday morning?
He displays his natural cheeky character but what is more endearing to the listeners is the way he refers to his apprentice charges as "my girl/boy."
Dare I say it....he is like a "mother hen"(please accept that in the best possible way).
More of the same please and all the best to "Miracle!"
We haven't forgotten you mate..."Miracle" and "the King"...what a combination......!!!!!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

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[xanadu]

I question the value of so-called "exclusive" interviews with trainers and connections of the chances in upcoming races....do you?
Why would they tell the "mugs" who provide the betting turnover which allows many to "wallow" in luxury...all provided by the supposedly "illiterate" betting public? Why don't the commentators ask what the interviewee has wagered upon?
As I've said before, the definition of "mug" is:
Most
Unlikely
Gain
Accordingly, as I have recommended many times before...do your own form study and wager with a viable betting strategy....that's if you can "tear" yourself away from the Champagne Bar!
There is an arrogance displayed by some broadcasters which re-affirms their deluded perceptions that they are "the chosen few" who are entitled to "reap" the profits from the generally uninformed public who are treated as "cash-cows" for their extravagant lifestyle.
However, as they say "there is one born every minute....!"

[xanadu]

Who is the commentator who made a "Freudian slip" when he said to his colleague who has interests in the trotting caper:"You've been having a "red-hot" run lately!"
Realizing his "faux pas" he quickly exited stating:"I'd better stop while I'm in front!"
Red faces all round!

[xanadu]

Forumites and the general betting public must give thanks to "the bigfella," Andrew Bensley in his current stint on Sky Sports Radio.
This morning, amongst his list of interviewees were: Peter Robl(BR6 11 $5.9w$2.1plNSW; Anthony Cummings SR6 1 $5.8w$2.2plNSW; Mitch Beadman SR4 1 $20.6w$3.1plNSW; David Payne SR2 4 Magic Model $7.6w$2.1plNSW, K.Lees and others, so the astute punter could have had a good day.
Keep up the good work in place of the usual incumbent who has established a high standard.
He mentioned that he was broadcasting from the race-callers box and the humidity was already taking it's toll.
Perhaps we will see a streamlined "Hoss" when he next appears on TV or has he replenished his liquids with some icy cold beverage....?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

WHO COULD THEY BE......!?
Is it true that two "solid, well-proportioned" commentators with renowned healthy appetites had a "falling-out" at the Newcastle Cup meeting in Sept'09 over a chicken sandwich?
They have since obviously patched up their differences but many pundits have expressed their "fear" of getting between these two blokes and a feed!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

AR7, No.6 Sarem
The commentator declared: "It's a special, how can they beat it...?"
Well mate...not only did it not win but couldn't run a place!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

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[xanadu]

Who was it........?
SR5, No.7 Buckmoore 2nd $3.10
A well-proportioned commentator mused that this name would be a good moniker for a porn star(remember that Seinfeld episode with George: "buck-naked?"). His female co-host could not contain herself and many of we viewers/listeners were left with the image of this bloke lying on a beach.....think beached whale..."is anyone a marine biologist....?").
"The horror......the horror......!"
(No offence intended).
Cheers.

[xanadu]

No more name calling. Thanks. Moderator.

[xanadu]

Please do not post unsubstantiated innuendo. Post deleted.
Moderator.

[xanadu]

Who is the commentator who is constantly "talking up" the "red hots?"
This character gives "precise" in-depth form analysis as to why certain horses should run well...but after they fail he is "missing in action!"
Mate....no-one is listening because they realize this form of racing is only for the participants...heaven help the "mug" punters who provide the turnover to keep these "characters" in luxury.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

The alleged incident you posted about happened according to you "a couple of years ago." We're not going there. Let's keep this thread for current observations posted in an appropriate manner.

Moderator.

[xanadu]

"Some of my fellow punters believe that one character in particular must have incriminating photos of someone in authority."

Too many posts in this thread have required moderation or removal. This forum is not prepared to accept comments in posts like the above. This thread is now closed.

[peterpan]

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