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feather
4th June 2006, 06:31 PM
I am enquiring about the apprentice allowance

As all my systems are newspaper based, I am wondering what to do when an apprentice is riding. I have never taken this into account before...but
My reason is one particular (new) system relies on 2k difference from last start
Yesterday at Rosehill R4-6 Flying Alpha, is in paper at 55k with a (a2)
Do I take off the 2 making it 53k? or is it already off.
Last start (20th may) 51.5 (a)
Where as the system today had Tamworth R5-1 57k (a)
Last start 57.5 (no a)

gort
4th June 2006, 08:49 PM
Hello feather
i think it is safe to assume that anything listed in the paper for todays race is the handicap weight before any allowances
i think it is also safe to assume that anything listed in your paper for past races is the weight the horse actually carried
R.Gort

crash
5th June 2006, 04:28 AM
Hi Feather,

Gort is correct regarding printed weight. It does not include allowances.

I'd be very wary of subtracting jockey allowances. There are times they will make a difference, but many more times they wont [lack of experience often cancels the weight advantage]. It all depends on what horse they are on [leader, mid-pacer, backmarker] and the track, field size, track condt. and distance.

All a bit iffy, but as a general rule without going into all of the above for every horse that your system throws up with an apprentice, I'd ignore the claim for a 3kg apprentice, deduct the claim for anything LESS than a 3kg claim [enough experience to make a difference] and ignore the runner if a 4kg apprentice is on board [green as grass].

Merriguy
5th June 2006, 07:13 AM
But then there is always the exception, or the fluke --- the young Beadman got a winner and a third from three rides at Kembla on Saturday!

crash
5th June 2006, 11:45 AM
Young Beadman is being VERY well looked after [a very well connected Dad:-) ]. Good horses [easy to ride and rate, on-pacers mostly] from good trainers. Makes a heck of a difference. It's a bit different for most apprentices that have to start at the rubbish end of the horse paddock.

Merriguy
5th June 2006, 12:43 PM
Yes, Crash, appreciate that. Though one report said that he had to go to the meets now in the horse float rather than in a Beamer!!