***Post-Spring Tipping Comp Week 1***

[Chuck]

Okay, i'm starting a new and simple tipping comp for anyone who wants to be involved. It will run until the last saturday of January. Similar rules to the tipping comps of old that crash used to run

RULES:
You can have EITHER:
- 5 $10 win bets totalling $50 outlay
OR
- 3 $10 win bets and a $20 win bet on a "special" totalling $50 outlay

Scratchings are refunded, or you can post another bet.

All bets to be made 1/2 and hour before the start of your first race. (does not apply w/ scratchings)

Any questions just ask

I will be posting the results by monday if we get enough support

Let me know if you're interested

Good Luck,
Chuck

[mad]

Yep, i'll be in thanks Crash.

[crash]

Saturdays only starting this coming one?
Long as you manage it Chuck, I'm in so look out !!!

PS:Love the rules:-)

[Chuck]

Saturdays only starting this coming one?

yep

[Sportz]

You couldn't take a little break, Chuck??? Well, believe me, I'm going to. :D

[mad]

Yep, i'll be in thanks Crash.
Chuck even, sorry.

[Sportz]

Both 5 letter names beginning with a C. Obviously hard to tell 'em apart. :D

[Chuck]

Hope you didn't mistake Senator for Saintly when you placed your bets in the 96 melbourne cup lol

[Raw Instinct]

Count me in as per usual

[crash]

The original rules stipulated WIN only. Keeps things from getting messy.
Roll on Saterday.

[jim curran]

count me in

[luv2bet]

ill play....

[Chuck]

okay, we've got the support, no need to make nominations anymore, just start making bets

[wesmip1]

ok well I will start with :

Morphettville 1/1 Solitas $20 *** Special
Eagle Farm 4/1 Classic Karlara $10
Eagle Farm 4/4 Rue The Saint $10
Sandown 2/3 Retail Therapy $10

Thanks

[Chuck]

onya mate, thats exactly the way i'd like everyone to set it out

[Chuck]

Sorry, also not mentioned is that entires close at the beginning of next week. Ladder is tallied on total return If you miss 4 weeks of betting you are eliminated

[Stix]

Chuck I'm in... thanks for putting your hand up......

Sandown Lakeside
R2-4 Miss Debonair $10 WIN
R3-1 Readyforcatherine $10 WIN
R5-10 Rokocoko $10 WIN
R7-1 Omaru Storm $10 WIN
R8-1 Secateurs $10 WIN

Good Luck People.....

[Sportz]

Chuck I'm in... thanks for putting your hand up......


Up where??? :D

[Stix]

Up where??? :D........ You Sportz !!!........ by the look of that cheeky grin on ur face......... lol

[leroy]

HI GUYS, I'LL HAVE A GO AT THIS

SANDOWN-R3#1 READYFORCATHERINE $20 "SPECIAL"
SANDOWN-R5#10 ROKOCOKO $10
SANDOWN-R8#2 MAYBE MCLAREN $10
MORPH-R3#1 ALLSTAR $10

CHEERS
LEROY

[crash]

Here we go then.

Morphetville:
R4/3 Jaffa Jonnie
R6/2 Mock

Eagle Farm;
R4/4 Rue the Saint
R4/6 Double Portion
R6/1 Terrace

Good luck punters.

[Panther]

Randwick Race 2 Tab 1--Banished
Morphetville Race 3 Tab 1--Allstar
Morphetville Race 5 Tab 9--Early Singer
Kembla Grange Race 3 Tab 5--Hardhearted Hannah
Toowoomba Race 7 Tab 13--Stormy Sequalo

[harry_boodes]

good on yer chuck,


SR4 - 1 Lutalo **** special ($20)

MR5 - 9 Chut $10
MR7 - 9 Pink Fit $10
BR7 - 7 Carolina's Boy $10

Harry

[Chuck]

Sydney:
5-5 Carnegie Belle $10
7-7 Villa Bled $10

Melbourne:
5-1 Air Cooled $10
7-4 Butten Shaw $10
8-3 Don't Tell Tom $10

[krausey]

sandown
r5-n10 rokocoko-10
r6-n12 youths edge-10

randwick
r6-n3 windon-10
r7-n4 sydney symphony-10

morphettville
r7-n4 navy shaker-10

[maverick1993]

Sharp Aunty Brissie $20 special
Classic Carla Brissie $10

Miss Achatone Adelaide $10
My Billy Adelaide $10

[mecurial]

SR06 No.4 Le Bron $20***

SR04 No. 1 Lutalo $10
MR05 No. 1 Air Cooled $10
BR05 No. 3 Video Hits $10

[mad]

Looks a good day tommorrow.

BR2 Prend
BR4 Classic Carla

SR5 Clevergaze
SR7 Force Apollo

MR4 Sojustrememberthis

Best of luck to all, hopefully make a few $$$$$$$.

[Chuck]

maverick, do you mind putting the race and tab number in future? :o Just makes the whole thing a lot easier. thanks

[crash]

OK, Ignore the selection I made last night [tired]. Sorry.

Brisbane:
R4/1 Classic Karla $20
R6/2 Terrace $10
Morphetvillle
R4/3 Jaffa Jonnie $10
R6/2 Mock $10

[krausey]

randwick r7-n11 not n4 sorry

[Raw Instinct]

BR 2 #9 Prend $10 win
BR 4 #5 Appleby $10 win
BR 7 #9 Encierro $10 win
BR 8 #2 Orrong $10 win
MR 4 #4 Change of Class $10 win

[william]

My selections 19/11/05

SANDOWN

R1-6 Red Pluton
R2-3 Retail Therapy
R7-1 Oamaru Storm

RANDWICK

R1-1 Up'n'doing
R8-1 County Tyrone

All $10 Win


Regards
William

[MartinFriedman]

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To have a Win Only competition is useless if one is not a favourites backer; so count us out!
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Cheers,
Friedman Family
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[darkydog2002]

What??????

[harry_boodes]

To have a Win Only competition is useless if one is not a favourites backer; so count us out!

Martin,

I follow your selections weekly and you have a fair strike rate with roughies, surely if you pick a 30-1 winner every 3-4 weeks you'd be up the top of the comp?

Harry

[feather]

MR 3-3 TERRE TALE
MR 5-10 ROKOCOKO
MR 6-8 BREAK THE VAULT
BR 7-3 HELTER SKELTER
KG 3-9 VIBE

[D105Black]

MRace 6 #1 Roman Arch $20 special
BRace 4 #2 Cold Start $10
BRace 7 #5 Mastermind $10
ARace 7 #3 Mt Billy $10

[Silver_and_sand]

I'll have a go. Thanks for running the comp Chuck.

SR3 #2 Danehill Lass $10
SR5 #5 Carnegie Belle $10
MR4 #6 Sojustrememberthis $10
MR7 #4 Butten Shaw $10
AR3 #1 Allstar $10

[jim curran]

Melb Race 1 No 2 Montfort
Bris Race 3 No 2 Zauberei
Syd Race 6 No 12 Phanton Agent
Adl Race 7 No 14 Royal Ida
Syd Race 8 No 4 Prime Century

Good Luck

[Heavyweight]

Onya Chuck,

Randwick R8, 8.Princess Gemma $10
Sandown R7, 4.Butten Shaw $10
Eagle Farm R3, 3.Mameluke $20**
Eagle Farm R6, 3.Champion Star $10

Cheers,

H.

[TESTAROSSA]

Sandown R4 (1) Loyal Lauren - $10
Randwick R3 (1) Bella Arena - $10
Randwick R4 (3) Frescante - $10
Randwick R5 (9) Silent Song - $10
Randwick R7 (8) Count Luskin - $10

Thanks Chuck

[TESTAROSSA]

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To have a Win Only competition is useless if one is not a favourites backer; so count us out!
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Cheers,
Friedman Family
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That might possibly be the silliest comment i have read on this forum, your saying the only way to win is by backing favourites, what a joke!!!!!

[w924]

Efarm

R2 #2 kanpeki
R4 #6 Double Portion
R6 #6 Planagram


Randwick
R5 #2 Royal Ninja

Sandopwn
R6 #7 Aqua D'amore

[luv2bet]

Ascot r 2 OUR GREY HALO $20

Adel r 5 RICH AROMA $10

Adel r 6 GET UP $10

Adel r 7 MT BILLY $10

[bl4dez]

ADEL r6 kenshou
SYD R6 LE BRON
BR 7 MY BEST TYCOON
MLB R6 AQUA D'AMORE
MLB r7 OAMARU STORM

[Chuck]

Contestant Return
Krausey $273.00
bl4dez $131.00
Mad $126.00*
testarossa $106.00
w924 $94.00
Raw Instinct $90.00
Wesmip1 $78.00
Mercurial $74.00
crash $72.00
Chuck $70.00*
Jim Curran $64.00
Panther $62.00
Luv2bet $60.00
Leroy $47.00
maverick1993 $36.00
william $29.00
Silver and Sand $25.00
Stix $21.00
Harrey Boodes $0.00
feather $0.00
D105Black $0.00
Heavyweight $0.00

Mad and myself both have $10 extra to bet with next week due to scratchings

[leroy]

Hi chuck

Just wondering what divs you used to get the results?
Readyforcatherine i had $20 on
allstar $10 win
these should have returned more than $47

thanks
Leroy

[Chuck]

sorry mate, yeah that should've been $67

[crash]

Congratulations are due to:
Krausey $273.00
bl4dez $131.00
Mad $126.00*

Great start boys.

Buggered it for my day. Had Mock/ Brindsbella for a win today and even scored the tri., but didn't have the confidence to back Brindabella here. Thought Mock would kill em' but did nothing. Got the tri. and win using Classic Karla as a banker in Brisb. Nice day at home but could have done better her. Next week folks.

Cheers,

[crash]

"To have a Win Only competition is useless if one is not a favorites backer; so count us out!"

Can't believe the Friedmans said that. I've never seen a political or point scoring bone in any of their posts till now. I'm shocked... Family problems?

Nothing stopping them from creating a longshot only comp. I'd be in:-)
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[Panther]

Please don't forget to add $31 for Stormy Sequalo which won at Toowoomba after you posted balances

[mad]

Was a good win too Panther, well done mate.

[Panther]

Also, just noticed that 1 of my tips--Banished--was a late scratching--does this mean I get an extra tip next week?

[crash]

$10 on top of your $50 next week mate.

[MartinFriedman]

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This demonstrates our point about not participating in a Win-only tipping competition.
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AUSTRALIAN HORSERACING (Sydney and Melbourne)
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Results for Saturday 19 November 2005, for the Friedman Family Outsiders.
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Oh, so close! Zev had 3 good outsider placings (53/1, 45/1 & 21/1) - he still won on the day but can you imagine if they had won! I had a good 42/1 placegetter.
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Martin's tips are marked (*M)
Carol's tips are marked (*C)
Zev's tips are marked (*Z)
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Melb race 8, #5 King's Arch (*Z) - 3rd @ 53/1
Melb race 4, #7 Allandra (*Z) - 3rd @ 45/1
Syd race 4, #7 Danebar (*M) - 3rd @ 42/1
Melb race 6, #9 Wild Classic (*Z) - 3rd @ 21/1
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Melb race 4, #8 Cool and Composed (*M) - 4th @ 7/1
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Cheers,
Martin
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[MartinFriedman]

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We are not trying to be political or score points.
All we are trying to point out is that we could not participate in a tipping competition that is based on wins only, as we only select outsiders, and are able to win quite regularly on placings.
Obviously, due to the nature of our selections we have close to "Buckley's" of selecting winners, so when we do, it is a bonus!
When we talk about "favourites" we are referring to "favoured horses" which are usually the 1st, 2nd & 3rd favourites.
Sorry if we offended some people - it was not intentional.
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Cheers,
Friedman Family
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[MartinFriedman]

Yes, Crash - a long-shot tipping competition sounds like a good idea, but how do you defind a "long-shot"? Obviously, not the favourite. But is a 2nd favourite @ 7/1 a long-shot. Come to think of it, is a favourite @ 8/1 a long-shot? - very open races, such as the Melbourne Cup often have had a favourite @ 8/1.
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Our "Friedman Family" definition is >10/1, but even our outsiders (>10/1 on Thurs or Fri) have sometimes started well under 10/1. If they win or get placed, do we eliminate them because they ended up starting under 10/1?
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A lot of questions need to be sorted out before such a competition could be started - suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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However, in the end, the competition should really be about making a profit consistently; be it betting for the win only, each way, placings only, quinellas, exactas, doubles, trifectas, quadrellas, super 6 jackpots, or whatever; although the more exotic, the less the chance.
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[D105Black]

Hey Chuck, you forgot me.

My $20 should be refunded as I had it on Roman Arch who was a scratching.

Please update, frendo.

[crash]

Martin,
A long-shot to me is double figures PP, as it's impossible to know the SP in advance to put selections in a forum. Generally, double figure SP would be classed as a true long-shot.


You wrote:
'However, in the end, the competition should really be about making a profit consistently; be it betting for the win only, each way, placings only, quinellas, exactas, doubles, trifectas, quadrellas, super 6 jackpots, or whatever; although the more exotic, the less the chance"

I agree to a point, but in the end someone has to go through all the results and dividends and work out the winning order of participants. Are you putting your hand up for the above approach:-) ?.

The win bet makes it easier to the kind soul who does that job, Chuck this time around.

[harry_boodes]

Hey Chuck,


Not sure if you're starting a new thread each week, but here are my selections for week 2:

$10 each

MR7 - 9 - Lord Braemar
BR6 - 4 - Rue the Saint
BR7 - 10 - Black Suit
SR3 - 1 - Doubloon
VR8 - 8 -Mr Jackhammer

Thanks Chuck


Harry

[MartinFriedman]

I agree Crash - from that point of view you are right.
However, from our point of view, we would have no chance in a win-only competition, as the best we can hope for are consistently placed longshots, with a win being a bonus.

Martin,
A long-shot to me is double figures PP, as it's impossible to know the SP in advance to put selections in a forum. Generally, double figure SP would be classed as a true long-shot.


You wrote:
'However, in the end, the competition should really be about making a profit consistently; be it betting for the win only, each way, placings only, quinellas, exactas, doubles, trifectas, quadrellas, super 6 jackpots, or whatever; although the more exotic, the less the chance"

I agree to a point, but in the end someone has to go through all the results and dividends and work out the winning order of participants. Are you putting your hand up for the above approach:-) ?.

The win bet makes it easier to the kind soul who does that job, Chuck this time around.

[crash]

Martin,

I know you specialize in long-shots, but the 3 of you must indulge in handicapping or some form of final selection process. I don't think you throw darts at a form guide[?]. You have as much chance as anyone in this competition by selecting winners, not place getters, regardless of odds. I can't see a problem as the comp. favors nobody's selection system. It's fair to all comers and I have no problems selecting any priced horse including long-shots here if I think they can win.

Mr. Magoo is a $20 special selection today for me in the conp. That horse is definitely a long-shot. If it wins I go up the ladder. If it doesn't, well it's only a forum comp., no money is involved. If I end up coming last at the end of it. I won't lose sleep over it even if I'm heckled for getting the duck egg [last].

Cheers and hope your thread selections have a good day.