Fisho

[xanadu]

SR4 2:20p.m.

Did anyone else see anything questionable about a certain ride in this race?
Mmmmmmm..............!

[xptdriver]

SR4 2:20p.m.

Did anyone else see anything questionable about a certain ride in this race?
Mmmmmmm..............!

I live in the country so the city big boys say I am not allowed to watch Syd And Vic racing.... incompetent fools...

[xanadu]

Yeah, I sympathise with you for that fiasco and let's hope it is resolved soon.
However, in the race in question there must be doubts about the ride. Yet, I am sure that when this horse runs again, one of the "expert media analysts," (isn't that an oxymoron), will say that hackneyed phrase: "forget it's last run".
I am starting a campaign today:
We will not accept the phrase: "forget the run....", from here on, any commentator using this hackneyed phrase should donate $10 to a children's charity as a penalty for lack of originality.
Anyone agree that this excuse is overused and should be deleted from any media commentary?

Cheers.

[Merriguy]

I live in Sydney and we are not allowed either --- unless we shell out big bikkies --- or go to the local TAB!

[xanadu]

Merriguy,

Surely you can access TVN's service for $12 per year?
Check their website.

[xanadu]

SR6 3:40p.m.EDST:

Funny that, the well fancied runner breaks though the barrier prior to the start and then runs down the track, traversing it's way through "traffic" and running unplaced.
When will the powers that be realise that public confidence/turnover will diminish if these events are constantly being tolerated?

[Raw Instinct]

I'd have been more concerned with the ride on Malcolm there that was a bit fishy certainly wasn't the most conviction in the ride and still almost got there thankfully he didn't as my money was on Mindreader but it looked asthough Malcolm should have won.

[xanadu]

Yeah, Raw Instinct,

That horse was ridden by an apprentice, maybe he has a lot more to learn.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Could I encourage other forum contributors to express their views regarding what they perceive to be bad or ill judged rides by some of our supposed top jockeys.
These characters may be having a "bad" day but it could cost we punters several $k. When are these individuals going to realise that they live in the real world and their "mistakes" may cost battling punters many thousands of dollars?

Cheers

[Raw Instinct]

Xanadu I agree it was ridden by an apprentice but I just felt the ride lacked alot of power and want to win and it isn't like the guy is new to the game he does ride alot in town.

[xanadu]

Yeah, raw,

I agree that maybe the rider lacked experience or percieved ability due to his tender years but that is no excuse.
He is on a horse carrying potentially $100k's in punters' money so we expect an appropriate ride-if he fails to deliver he should be held to account for his ineptitude. However, in real life are they?..............no!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Well we have to start somewhere and after a particularly horrendous experience with a particular runner in Brisbane in October last year, I vowed to never bet in Qld again. Since then I have held true to this vow and I can assure you that my POT has improved incredibly.
MESSAGE: do not bet in Qld and you may have prospects of winning in the long-run.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

If anyone needed further evidence of the pitfalls of betting in Qld they need look no further than Ipswich R4 today(19.7.06). A well fancied runner gets out of the barrier in a reasonable position then finds itself in third last place. At about the 8oom it is ridden hard to regain ground on the leaders then goes"via the cape" on the home turn before tiring and finishing about midfield.
Unlucky run.....?
I will watch with interest what the stewards have to say.
As I have reiterated on numerous occasions....if you choose to wager in Qld then you do so at your own risk. As for me.......leave me out....I'll do my wagering mainly in Melbourne where the competitive nature of racing and the accompanying value for punters provides the bettor a fair chance of returning a profit.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

After a race in Melbourne today when a short-priced runner ran unplaced a prominent trainer was interviewed and stated that he was not necessarily disappointed with it's rather inglorious run as it had "finished big" after it's race was over.
My question is this......should horses be allowed to start if they may not be in premium racing order? I believe they should be fit enough to perform at their optimum level rather than using these races as "conditioning runs" generally at our expense......ie the long suffering betting public. Alternatively, perhaps the public should be informed that a particular horse is not at it's best(ie. blood counts) and maybe then they can make their own informed decision whether that particular runner should be avoided as a betting prospect. Is confidence in racing diminished when such things occur, particularly when you consider that the amounts invested on each race are in the 100k's if not the $M's?
Why aren't blood counts made available to the betting public.....maybe it would be too valuable of a tool for the public to have at their disposal?
Mmmm.....makes you wonder....any thoughts on this matter?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR7(4:15p.m.EST) Did anyone else have grave concerns regarding the riding tactics employed in this race?
Did connections alert Stewards to this style of racing? Were the public duly informed?
Hmmm....!
Any comments?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Euchuca R7(31.7.06),

A supposed top jockey hid his mount well back in the field and it gave nothing!
I suspect that the rider thought he had missed any scrutiny.....well.....guess what?.....your ride wasn't missed?

[xanadu]

SR3(2.8.06-2:22p.m.EST) There was a questionable ride in this race which should be obvious to any form student. As I have mentioned many times previously, I study jockeys' form as well as studying equine form.
I have been scrutinising this bloke's "form" for some time now and I think it is time he had a "holiday" or maybe a stint in Hong Kong. I am sure the officials there would soon "rectify" some of this rider's "bad" habits.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR5 today(3:33p.m.EST),
Did you see this race?
Comments such as "they went mad out in front"; "they put it on for the backmarkers";it was put on for him today," were duly noted by the poor suffering betting public!
Forget form......follow the money!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR6(9.8.06)
Did anyone else have reservations about the riding tactics displayed in this race?
A runner shoots to the lead, racing at such a pace that it is inevitable that it would capitulate and "setting it up" for the backmarkers to finish off the race.
You're kidding!

We know how Sydney racing operates.

[xanadu]

Ballarat R9:

Did anyone else have reservations regarding the riding tactics on some well-fancied runners in this race?(The winner paid $50.9w$8.4plNSW)!
Hmmmmm......

[xanadu]

MR6

You make your own mind up!

[xanadu]

SR6,
Trifecta: $1748.60
First4 : $14,260.70
Hmmmm.....you figure it out....!
Any form students get amongst the place-getters?

[xanadu]

MR4,

Did anyone have reservations regarding the running of this race?
Coincidentally, soon after, Gold Coast race4 resulted in:
Gold Coast Trots:
R4 Somethings Fishy WON $2.9w$1.5plNSW.
Hmmmmm,,,,almost an omen tip!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

HawkesburyR5,

They're kidding.......!

Set a good pace ....perfectly setting it up for the swoopers...!
Come on.....!
When is ICAC going to be involved in NSW racing?
Come on you officials...appoint an ICAC officer to the steward's panel asap.
Any other punters agree?...pleases express your views!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR8,

Did anyone have reservations regarding the ride of a particular jockey in this race?

Seeya!

[xanadu]

SR3,
Favourite "misses" the start and runs wide...come on...what chance does it realistically have...?
That's racing I suppose?
How come it always happens (dis)proportionately to the favourite......you work it out!

Cheers

[Raven]

jeez, don't you have anything positive to say about this racing caper??

[Stix]

jeez, don't you have anything positive to say about this racing caper??Don't need too many clues to know that it is not the 'tone' of this thread.....

However, in X's defence have a look at his other threads.... you'll see he loves it.... secretly married to one G Childs i think... :D

[xanadu]

Goodonya Stix,

In response to Raven's observation.....maybe you have answered your own question.
That is.......maybe......just maybe.......I am being intentionally provocative to elicit the very response which you have so graciously provided.
Yes....Greg Childs has provided me with some of life's luxuries due to his undeniable professionalism and ability......and may it continue!
Have a good one!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR6,
You're kidding...a certain horse goes out to a big margin but no swoopers finish on....give me a break!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Whilst I am very concerned regarding the long-term viability of horse-racing in all affected states, I also harbour deep concerns in regards to some of the results in recent meetings.
The plethora of long-priced winners has astounded me and even after incisive form-study/review, the figures just don't add up!
I hope that some of the "battlers" in the industry will not attempt to extricate themselves from their own financial woes by depriving the betting public of a "fair go!"
Because......if some attempt to do so...then all industry players will see a lack of confidence in the product presented to them and they will "vote with their feet" and stop or at least diminish their betting activities-me included!
I'll leave it up to you-anyone else witnessed/suffered the apparent plethora of long-priced winners lately which appear to have no form credentials?

Cheers.

[suds]

yeah a shocker at bendigo today...my little rating system has never gone so bad!!

[xanadu]

Yeah suds, I know how you feel mate.
Isn't it an incredible coincidence that on the very weekend that the big "quaddie" promotion is launched the dividend for some lucky punter(s) amounted to $174,721.50NSW!
I'm certainly not suggesting anything other than it will generate massive publicity for a product currently being promoted in "wall-to-wall" advertisements in all forms of the media.....go figure............!
The authorities are desperate to stimulate betting turnover in the wake of the EI tragedy but let me ask you....at what cost to the hard-core, cynical everyday punters who, in reality, keep this industry ticking over!
I, personally, will be reviewing my betting activities to determine if it is worth my while to invest in a product which I am losing faith in as every day goes by(refer to an earlier post).
Any other disgruntled punters out there who may wish to express/share their views.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Bendigo R5,

Did any form students have reservations regarding the riding tactics in this "race?"
The leading contenders go hard in front presenting a perfect opportunity for a "battling" rider to come from last to beat them all!!!
What about the rider in the red cap "cuddling" his mount to the line with no apparent intention of it finishing in the finish!
Come on....!!!!!!!!!!!!
The racing officials have let the betting public down badly and as I have said previously...they do so at their own peril!
They will only succeed in alienating the true betting public..ie..those punters who wager every day...when are they going to wake up?
As betting turnover diminishes due to a lack of confidence in the way racing is being handled who will be held responsible?
You figure it out!
I am disgusted!

[xanadu]

MR10,
As the commentator mused: "it was a 1200M race but the favourite must have covered 1600-1800m.
You figure it out..

Cheers.

[crash]

One country Jockey I used to know told me he made more money out of losing races than he ever did winning them!

[xanadu]

Yeah crash,

I have heard similar stories...there was an ****-jockey interviewed some years ago who admited he would "pull" horses up if the price/reward was right...!
When is an ICAC official going to be added to the steward's panel?
They do an exemplary job in HK!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR7,

Well what a coincidence....the first leg of the Quaddie(which has been promoted "ad nauseum" by the TAB, produces a long-shot winner at $23.2wNSW....go figure......!
That's fine but as I have stated on numerous occasions I also study jockeys, their riding styles and vigour shown etc.
Guess what?...if any other form student studied this aspect then they too would be very concerned with some of the rides of other hoops in this race which allowed Shinn on the eventual winner to gain a four lengths lead at the home turn.....come on.....get real!
I'm sure that the prospect of a large divvie will attract an increase in betting turnover from the general public......but at what longterm cost to the industry as the "professional" ranks depart due to dubious happenings?
I'll leave it up to you....!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Aaaaaah,

MR6 11 Sirmione WON $78.1w$12.6plNSW,
the "Practice Stakes" has lived down to it's reputation once again. Look at the recent form of the winner!
I ask the question: "Is this fair to the racing/punting public......!!!?"
I'll guarantee that the "Royalty of Racing" will not be required to provide an explanation for this dramatic form improvement.
You make your own mind up!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

No wonder there is a continual "leaking" of the public's betting dollar away from racing, be it horses, dogs or the "red-hots" to other forms of gambling such as casino-style betting, scratchies, pokies..etc!
Roulette wheels, cards and betting chips cannot speak can they?
If the authorities think that such results as we have witnessed today, provide them with massive "feel-good" publicity then they are only fooling themselves and is only a short-term "fix!"
What about the times the big crowds aren't there and the industry relies on the everyday punters who are realistically the backbone of the horse-racing/wagering industry? If those punters' confidence has been undermined they may turn to other options....will they come back to racing?...I pose that question!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Correct me if I am wrong......!
Do not the Articles Of Racing contend that every runner is presented in a condition which is condusive to performing at it's optimum level?
Therefore, how could some of today's results survive incisive scrutiny by the appropriate officials?
It is a time of year when "punt-hungry mug-punters" are attracted to the glamour of the Spring Carnival. However, I ask you ...at what cost to the long-term viability of the horse-racing industry?
It seems to me it has a bit of the "Nero Syndrome" -"let it burn".. while the longterm effects are neglected by panicked officials.
Therefore, please explain how some of the results today were not scrutinized thoroughly.
I, personally am very disappointed/disillusioned with how racing is currently being handled.
Any other disgruntled punters out there?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

No complaints.. because I've definitely "cleaned-up" but I must mention that Lloyd was interviewed on Racing Radio this morning and duly nominated his best chance as being:
MR7 9 Zipping
that's racing..........,

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR6,

what a disgrace.....by some of our so-called top jockeys!
With the massive media coverage the cynical amongst us would ponder what a "feelgood" conclusion to the carnival would be worth for it's newsworthiness alone...to the uninitiated public!
For the rest of us, who, by the way, keep this industry ticking over, even through the tough times.....well.....rip up your formguides!

[xanadu]

Surprise....surprise...!
MR7:
No.6 $46.8w$10.3plNSW...the first two legs of the quaddie have been won by "despised" long-shots!
On that basis a smart punter would expect the last two legs to be won by reasonably well-supported starters!
We'll see what unfolds!
4:15p.m.EDT-I just watched the overhead shot of the race and am more "p....._off!"
Any form student would notice that the top fancies "went hard" leaving a perfect opportunity for the "sitters" and the "swoopers" to come home in the final 200m. You make your own mind up!

[pharfromoz]

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.......................w- #7 translate
.......................w- #8 red for lou


theres just a-bombs going off at flemington.

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#6 hidden strings- $59.40 $37.70 $24.50


this is linked from another forum.yes im konagold1 because konagold was one of the best dirt sprinters in breeders cup history.dude it wasnt to hard to figure out #6 hidden strings. you can tell on paper he needed added distance,the moonee valley race was a great prep and when horse stretchs out they move forward during a race so it was no surprise he was forwardly placed and stole it.

you will never be able to comprehend stuff like this if you just bet on m.rodd,greg childs,dt orbien,j oshea and the chalk posted in your smart punting thread. tell you the truth ive never seen punters bet races like you do.

get away from your usual stuff and seriously get into the form and find the prices. seriously smart punters dont bet every mount a jockey has for that day. if they win every race in a day it is once in a blue moon.

not trying to be an asz just want to see you expand your mind from the usual and show us what a real smart punter can do.

peace!

oh yeah theres no conspiracy going on. sometimes physics works against ya and its a bitch.

[xanadu]

Ah pharfromoz/konagold,

When you speak of expanding one's mind then surely you should look in the mirror...old son!
I am a form student of some years who has instigated some very successful threads and continue these because they are proven money-spinners and other forumites may benefit so my motives are benevolent. For example, did you win over the carnival? I certainly did and I expect to continue winning into the future as iI have been for a number of years now.
If you believe these are the only wagers I have on any particular day then, sorry, but I believe you may be in "Lalaland."
Your comments suggest that you indeed live in this "wonderland of milk and honey" where all is well and if that is the scope of your view of the racingscene then good luck because you sure need it!
I was going to make a reference to the character in "Rainman" but I wouldn't be that cruel!
So, have a good day old son!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

pharfromoz/konagold,

Oh dear....!
You are wrong with your misguided assertions and do I detect the presence of "the green-eyed monster" in your personality traits?
I have always attempted to alert other forumites before race-start time and it has only been software problems if this has not always occurred.
It is about lunch-time so could I suggest a Bex, a cup of tea and a good lie down for yourself as you are displaying all the signs of fatigue.

[xanadu]

MR4,
4* WON $5.0w $1.6plNSW
7 $2.5plNSW
8* $1.2plNSW
two stable-mates, the longer priced one winning and the more favoured runner only extricating itself in the last 50m and "flashing" home to run third.
Hmmmm...anyone have any concerns with this race?
Notwithstanding that I still returned a respectable 14.29%POT so not bad....even though I did not post details of my wager on No.8 Stashalot.

Cheers.

[Dancing Sun]

this is starting to look like something thats been going on between two members on "121 sports".

[xanadu]

Dancing Sun,

Yeah, you're right but I am unfamiliar with that program so could you provide some basic details?
I took my "handle" of "xanadu" from the Mayan/Inca civilizations and they ruled for a couple of thousand years didn't they ...so, there is no doubt about me "going the distance."
I wonder if the same can be said for the "new boy?"

Cheers.

[nathanm-f]

MR4,
4* WON $5.0w $1.6plNSW
7 $2.5plNSW
8* $1.2plNSW
two stable-mates, the longer priced one winning and the more favoured runner only extricating itself in the last 50m and "flashing" home to run third.
Hmmmm...anyone have any concerns with this race?
Notwithstanding that I still returned a respectable 14.29%POT so not bad....even though I did not post details of my wager on No.8 Stashalot.

Cheers.
Very good result. What thread can this be found on? you see if you had them all on one thread all of the punters would benefit.
Cheers

[nathanm-f]

Dancing Sun,

Yeah, you're right but I am unfamiliar with that program so could you provide some basic details?
I took my "handle" of "xanadu" from the Mayan/Inca civilizations and they ruled for a couple of thousand years didn't they ...so, there is no doubt about me "going the distance."
I wonder if the same can be said for the "new boy?"

Cheers.
121 sports is a forum. There are some good tipsters there aswell

[xanadu]

I feel that my "reputation" has been impugned and I seek your apology for your comments in earlier posts!
Refer to "Smart Punting" thread387 which was posted on 17.10.07 at 2:15p.m.AEST..a good five minutes before post-time!
What is this reference to 8:15 etc?
Where are you posting from...England or U.S.A.?
Was that a post from "drunk and dumber?"
My update gave any alert punter plenty of time to place their wager....so...mate....your head is up your *!#"%*#!
How dare you try to "stir the pot" by suggesting such things which are so blatantly incorrect!
I suppose if you are outrageously jealous of others' success you would resort to such things wouldn't you?
It could be said that you are...weak....weak!!!
I will be watching for your next post with great interest!

[nathanm-f]

I feel that my "reputation" has been impugned and I seek your apology for your comments in earlier posts!
Refer to "Smart Punting" thread387 which was posted on 17.10.07 at 2:15p.m.AEST..a good five minutes before post-time!
What is this reference to 8:15 etc?
Where are you posting from...England or U.S.A.?
Was that a post from "drunk and dumber?"
My update gave any alert punter plenty of time to place their wager....so...mate....your head is up your *!#"%*#!
How dare you try to "stir the pot" by suggesting such things which are so blatantly incorrect!
I suppose if you are outrageously jealous of others' success you would resort to such things wouldn't you?
It could be said that you are...weak....weak!!!
I will be watching for your next post with great interest!
Are you aiming this at me???
I never said you posted after races had already began or anything of the sort. And as for jealous i am not jealous but greatful to any punter who consistantly provides profitable tips.

[rabbitz]

xanadu,phar from oz,nathan m-f please continue this thread as desperate housewives is nearly over today and i'll have nothing to watch until tommorrow :D

[nathanm-f]

xanadu,phar from oz,nathan m-f please continue this thread as desperate housewives is nearly over today and i'll have nothing to watch until tommorrow :D
Hahahaahahh lol
Fair call... You hear that guys we sound like a bunch of old women

[rabbitz]

nathan..a word of warning..Xanadu is a respected form student on this forum..has been for months now....don't know his real identity but i do know that he is frought between whether to have his centrefold of greg childs nude on sunline or his other one of michael rodd aboard efficient on his bedroom wall...he roused on me once and will probably do so again but that's only because i'm an illiterayte forumite of only 2000+ posts
so grain of salt my friend grain of salt
welcome

[nathanm-f]

nathan..a word of warning..Xanadu is a respected form student on this forum..has been for months now....don't know his real identity but i do know that he is frought between whether to have his centrefold of greg childs nude on sunline or his other one of michael rodd aboard efficient on his bedroom wall...he roused on me once and will probably do so again but that's only because i'm an illiterayte forumite of only 2000+ posts
so grain of salt my friend grain of salt
welcome
I dont see what the big deal is i was just telling him to put all his tips in one place so they can easily be followed

[xanadu]

Yeah,

I agree with the consensus of opinion and...truce...OK?
Not that such a dramatic conclusion was necessary but it helps to clear the air.
Don't forget..our sole aim in this forum is to back winners and maybe help other forumites to do the same.
Oh yeah, good one rabbitz...you forgot the "action hero figurines!"
Have a good one.

Cheers.

[odericko]

case in point ive made money from xanados fisho posts ..ty very much... ithink you are being unfairly bagged

[Dancing Sun]

Xanadu is from Newcastle, so enough said, what a legend, i have been following Xanadu for quite a while now and made some very nice profits. I think its great to have difference of opinions, but a little respect will go along way!

[crash]

I dont see what the big deal is i was just telling him to put all his tips in one place so they can easily be followed

Xanadu is entitled to put his tips anywhere he likes on this forum, just like anyone else. None of us here do 'tipping service' to order. If anyone would like it that way, write your directions onto $50 notes and send them in to the relevant member C/O- this forum.

[Moderator 3]

Please note Forum Terms of Use do not permit "Personal abuse or unpleasantness."
Thank you for your cooperation.

[xanadu]

Thank you fellow forumites and your point has been noted Moderator,
We'll now get on with the real task at hand...hopefully backing winners.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

CanberraR2,
The favourite was backed late and was given no chance in the run.
It finished on to run 4th, yet the "jockey" gets his riding fee and the punters get "squat!!!"
It was a "barry" of a ride yet he goes home with cash in his pocket and the punters.......?
Make your own mind up.

Cheers.

[crash]

It's only my opinion [and what a jockie I once knew told me and which of course I can't verify] and not an accusation, "country jockies don't make their money from riding fees and city jockies often don't either"!

Have a look at some of the jocky rides around the state. Hundreds of Ks. for often 1 or 2 rides. $65 a ride? Ms J D Rose, 2 rides at Mornington today, one at $22w. Yeah, right! I see it so often it makes me ill.

[xanadu]

Just an observation....today in two separate races in Melbourne the well-fancied runner "played-up" at the barrier and missed the start thereby effectively negating any chance of winning.
To any impartial observer...how is it that the number of runners which do this are disproportionately represented by the favourite or well-fancied runner?
Hmmmm....something for we punters to muse over.
By the same token it is my belief that some horses have "gone over the top" after a gruelling Spring campaign and the trainer may "take them to the well" just once too many times.
That is only a human trait whereby the trainer attempts to get another win out of one of his/her charges before the horses go for their spell.
However, it leaves a somewhat sour taste in the "poor suffering betting public's mouths" as they feel they may have been duped.
Surely the publication of blood counts would allow the public to make up their own minds.

Cheers.

[crash]

Spells used to be 3 mths. Now they are more likely to 4 to 6wks. Blame the cost of owning a horse. Young horses are flogged to death while they are still maturing to get early $ returns to the detriment of the horse's future.

[xanadu]

Yeah, I agree crash....but I can't see things changing in the foreseeable future. Put ourselves in the position of an owner of a horse that cost $100k's(we wish!), we would want an early return on our investment and hopefully the horse's value may have increased proportionately-that's just human nature.
However, we continually see the overseas raiders coming here and scooping the pool in our middle to long distance races because they have put their youngsters out until they are a late 3YO or in some cases a 4YO.
Yes, there is a high attrition rate due to the pressure placed on young horses but as they say...that is racing...no-one ever said it was an easy game.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR4,
how could some of our top hoops allow the tearaway leader to get out to such an immense lead.....hmmm...you work it out.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Mackay R3,
the favourite nearly falls at the start thereby taking no further part in the race......go figure....!
Again......it is the favourite......maybe laying them in Qld would be more profitable...but then again.....maybe, some "smarties" are already doing this.
As I've stated previously-if you continue to bet up there then be prepared for some meals at the St. Vinnies soup kitchen!
You work it out......hmmmm.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

So it continues......!
SR1 4 Fizeau bungles the start and plays no further part in the race....why does it nearly always seem to happen to the favourite?.....you'll have to make your own mind up.
Fizeau did finish on very hard to the line although finishing unplaced..hmmm, maybe next start?
Keep an eye on him.
NB. I'm not talking through my "kick" as I also backed No.5 Universal Magic($4.6w$1.7plNSW).

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR3,

The favourite in a field of five runners, misses the start and tails out last yet usually leads or races in the leading bunch. If one was cynical he/she could reach the conclusion that this horse was ridden "upside-down."
Again, it happened to the favourite but that's racing isn't it......?
If this type of rubbish continues to be dished up to the betting public the consequences may be more dramatic than the repercussions of EI.

Cheers.

[King Cugat]

YOU DIDNT HEAR THE MAN OF CLASS RACE XANADU?


Missed it by 3-4 and won >> short priced fav.

How ever i do agree with some of your stuff. When you introduce a place where people can make money for a horse getting beaten then its a given that some will go that way.

I watch the money on betfair but again >> would be happier to see it dissapear

You lead the fight........i'll fetch the torches and be right behing you

[mjr]

Hey Xanadu if you want to smell the fishes have a look at MR4, no form, money on, kid rode like George Moore and gets the money. Must be the ocean air. Same kid MR2 rides like me on a pushbike after two days and nights on the turps. Go figure?????

[xanadu]

King Cugat,
thanx for the support because if we do not hold the officials to account then this rubbish will continue. As I have stated forcibly in previous posts I believe that an ICAC officer should be appointed to the Steward's panel and he/she will act independently from that panel but report to that panel and the relevant Minister.....can anyone see any problems with that?
For example, the ICAC officer may decide to investigate the plethora of such incidents and decide this warrants further investigation.
Look at Hong Kong-where this system works in an exemplary manner.
No, I didn't hear that race - please explain.....(where have we heard that before)?
mjr,
that's OK, an excellent ride on a horse that was primed to win on the day and a credit to it's trainer.
However, as sure as night follows day....if you continue to support 3kg apprentices on topweights then your xmas dinner will be served by that excellent organizaion: the Salvos!
Have a good 'un!

Cheers.

[mjr]

The race involved the same kid ripping along the first 1000m in .7 seconds outside of Miss Andrettis track record, no wonder the horse finished at the tail of the field after that sort of effort. He then comes out and rides the perfect race on a horse that after its last two starts you could only back if you followed topweights or was partial to a horse being improved by the seaside air. I agree with you about backing 3kg apprentices,but when they put in two different rides like that in back to back rides they should be sent back to the provincials for more education or back to school to learn how to count.


AND BEFORE YOU SAY IT ''SOUR GRAPES'' MY BLOOD OATH

[discipline pays]

Last race Adelaide today, jockey gets pulled up fav so it could get beaten, was actually watching screen to make sure the other horse was coming, very similar to one K Fallon IMO

[xanadu]

mjr,
Yeah, I know how you feel mate but all we can do is move on. I suppose with apprentices they just do what they are told to do.

discipline pays,
Yeah, I saw that race and the rider was given 2 months to contemplate his actions. Some commentators tried to justify the rider's actions by saying he was watching the infield big screen and it was an error of judgment....but he still gets his riding fee.....what do the punters get...a hole in their wallets!
Yes, it had a bit of the Kieran Fallon about it(it's always the fav).
Anyway..I suppose that we'll still back up today and tomorrow... etc

Cheers.

[mjr]

Good to see the jock in Adelaide get two months, also good to see young Hamilton get 8 meetings for knocking down the other to get to the lead. Maybe he will take the time to learn how to count. What I didnt say about the race was it looked like it was put on for the favourite, bute jock got caught on the fence and didnt quite make it just going down. Next time make sure everyone knows what is going on.

[xanadu]

SR5,

the much touted first-starter runs ingloriously after being hyped by some media participants.
I will be watching the Steward's report with great interest to see whether the hyped runner, No.6 Camouflage was injured during the run or carried an injury into the race. Also, IMO, an inspection of betting sheets is warranted to see who supported this runner...a reasonable request that most of the betting public would agree with. Why did it run so ingloriously...shouldn't questions at the utmost level be asked?
Surely this occurrence further exemplifies the fact that an ICAC officer should be appointed to the Steward's panel to assist in any enquiries and pursue their own enquiries if they deem it appropriate.
I ask this question: why do some media types go out of their way to hype a particular starter to the generally uninformed/uninitiated betting publc?
Hmmm.....I'll leave that for you to ponder......!

Cheers.

[crash]

Never listen to 'urgers'.

[xanadu]

You're right crash,

I rarely get caught up in the "hype" perpetrated by some of these individuals.
Perhaps there is a more nefarious strategy to their actions....and guess who provides the turnover...the poor long-suffering uneducated betting public.
That's the way it goes I suppose...just like the Boxing Day race meeting at Broadmeadow(Newcastle) when I am sure the bookies are drooling at the prospects of a huge generally "uneducated" crowd being present and enabling them to operate a "true" book!

Cheers.

Cheers.

[crash]

Step 1 when doing form: NEVER read anything, NEVER listen to anything and ignore PP odds ... Just do the form and stick with your selections. When your 'eye' goes out now and then, consider it normal and don't look around to others. The 'eye' will be back.

All those opinions by urgers and coat-tuggers just put you off your game and create confusion.

[xanadu]

SR4,

Uh-oooh,

Whilst initially I was all in favour of the "changing of the guard" in Sydney racing whereby the "dead-wood" moved on to other venues to be replaced by "the mexican" riders and the Sth African topliners, I now have some reservations.
I'm referring to "team riding" which I understand is tolerated on the continent and some other racing countries.
Well, this is Australia and it is not tolerated here....!
If you watched this race, any form student would have some concerns as to how a particular runner is labouring on the fence "unable" to get a run but his compatriot charges down the outside to win!
I'm not suggesting anything but I will be watching very closely in future and I suggest other form students do likewise.
NB. I hope the officials are doing similar surveillance.
Hmmmmm.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR5,

Anyone else have any concerns as to how a front-runner leaves the fence in the straight and a horse ridden by a compatriot gains a "dream" run and duly surges away to win?
Go figure.......!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR6,

the favourite is pocketed away in "traffic" and when going for it's run all openings are closed.....go figure!
I wonder what the stewards who judged the Takeover Target incident will do.


Cheers.

[xanadu]

Here we go again......!
The favourite in a small field misses the start and plays no part in the finish!
Go figure.......!

[xanadu]

That race in the previous thread was SR2.
However, after viewing the video side-on and head-on in SR6 I have grave concerns with the way some hoops rode their mounts!
If you study the video you will see some riders utilizing a less than vigorous manner in their run to the line.
Sure, it is a very heavy track and some connections of certain runners do not want their charge to be "punished."
However, what about the betting public.......?
The great uneducated masses....just fodder in the great unlimited resources of the racing industry.
You make your own mind up.....!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Gold Coast R10,

6 Sultan Assassin unp
this runner which has been in keen form in recent starts gets out sluggishly and shows no real vigour during the run!
I bet there is no mention of this in the steward's report!
Makes you wonder.......hmmmm!

[peterpan]

Yeh I reckon you are absolutely correct.
For sure the jockey pulled it up and should get a 12 month ban.

[xanadu]

I'm not sure if you are "taking the ****" but all I can say is "ma-kei."
It was a greyhound race and in certain parts of the world they are "ridden" by monkeys.
Reference is made to recent transcripts of the 3rd Test match.
Have a good 'un.'

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR6,

a certain horse completely misses the start, going down on it's nose then is ridden like a "bat out of hell" to catch up with the rest of the field.
Guess what......of course it weakens and finishes at the tail of the field!
Hmmmmm....make up your own mind.........!
I will read the Steward's report with great interest.
Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR1,
what is a well-fancied runner doing five wide on a heavy track contesting the lead?
You figure it out as unsurprisingly, it weakened badly and finished at the tail of the small field(approx.10-15lengths).

Cheers.

[King Cugat]

Xan

Can see your thoughts well enough. But. Because i own 1 i follow all the Cugats. We are hopeless mud runners coming from U.S. breeding (even though King Cugat was a turf champion.) I didnt think he was well off in that race. Hes a provincial horse at best. I think the all mighty Unitab ratings (tongue in cheek) had him rated at only an 88 aswell. Hes better backed 2nd + 3rd up. A maiden winner at Newcastle and a 0-68 winner at Wyong only >> These City class horses were too good for him in these conditions before they jumped, not to mention he hasnt settled well last 2 races and holding him back might not have been an option today. Just my thoughts.

[xanadu]

King Cugat,

I've taken your comments onboard but my main concern was with the ride.
So, I suppose we move on......

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR7,

why did certain runners decide to go to the inside where they knew it was a bog when chasing the tearaway front-runner!
It appears to have a bit of the whiff of fish about it....don't you agree?
I'll leave it up to you.

[King Cugat]

King Cugat,

I've taken your comments onboard but my main concern was with the ride.
So, I suppose we move on......

Cheers.sure, an odds on runner in ideal conditions and the class horse i would have been right behind you in that riding enquiry. He knows the mule well enough so perhaps was told 'an all or nothing ride for this one.'

Enjoy your thread Xanny

move on (good idea) >> & take the $1.24 Australia v Sri Lanka ! @ 1/2 time (now) >> they must be kidding. chasing 260 on that track... no way. I know interest rates have gone up but surely not returns on Outlay aswell. Thats 3yrs of a compounding term deposit at the bank in 1 night!

*cant believe that went to $1.30 after only Sri Lankans 3rd over.... 2 wickets later in the 4th over >> $1.10. Unbelievable. Giddyup.

[JoeF]

Sr5. The fav, dropped out last, trys to put it's head to the outside of the scond last horse to improve it's position, but the jock just keeps skulldragging it's head back in to keep it last. My observations only, and yes I am talking thru my wallet.

[westman]

Sr5. The fav, dropped out last, trys to put it's head to the outside of the scond last horse to improve it's position, but the jock just keeps skulldragging it's head back in to keep it last. My observations only, and yes I am talking thru my wallet.

Backing losers a big difference to laying them, hey Joe :)

[JoeF]

I don't mind a fair thing WM, but where are the stewards in these sort of instances. The horse was looking to improve it's position naturally but kept getting snagged back in. Don't say it would have won, but it should have finished a darn site closer.
We have got a million ways to spend our $$ nowadays as far as a flutter goes, so this sort of stuff doesn't exactly instill confidence in the game does it.
As far as laying goes, getting beaten because you are not good enough and getting beaten because you are dead set robbed are 2 entirely different things.

[xanadu]

Well said fellas......!
However, so it continues.....:-
Balaklava Race 5:
the short-priced runner misses the start and takes no further part in the race finishing last.
I am not suggesting anything other than statistically speaking...why is the favourite over represented in such instances....ie. missing the start?
I'll leave it for you to ponder........

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR5,
did any form students have concerns with the way this race unfolded?
The leader sets a good steady pace and into the straight it is swamped by "swoopers" and it weakens to finish at the tail of the field.
Makes you/I wonder doesn't it?

Cheers.

[JoeF]

The Brisbane stewards have given the 3kg boy that who rode the odds on fav on Saturday 6 weeks for "not giving the horse every chance to win".
I wish someone could tell me the difference between that ride and the ride on the sydney horse. And the Sydney horse was ridden by a senior.

Phil P. has a bit to say about the boy on his website. Worth a read it is.

[xanadu]

Yeah JoeF,
it seems that older riders seem to escape the same scutiny....you make your own mind up.....,


Cheers.

[crash]

MR5,
did any form students have concerns with the way this race unfolded?
The leader sets a good steady pace and into the straight it is swamped by "swoopers" and it weakens to finish at the tail of the field.
Makes you/I wonder doesn't it?

Cheers.

Blanket finishes seem to be the order of the day nowadays because most races are not being truly run. For form students this is a disaster as it becomes almost impossible to line up runners form correctly. Mid-pacers and back-markers don't get a fair go due to the lack of pace. Even races with several leaders in it, is no guarantee of a decent race time. We may as well use darts to select winners.

[JoeF]

Couldn't agree more Crash. Have been tinkering with times for a while now with mixed results. Some days good, some shocking, doesn't seem to be any middle ground.
Haven't done much on pace, but I suppose that is the next thing, as it is the factor that has probably the most bearing on the outcomes.

[crash]

I had heard WA runs mostly true races. Changed my bets to Ascot last Sat. and did well. Last Wed. scored 3 from 4 winners there too.

[xanadu]

SR7,
two stable-mates fight out the finish with the longer priced runner winning.
Hmmm....you decide for yourself.
I wonder if the stewards will check the betting sheets thoroughly.....
NB. I backed Hoystar returning 50%POT so I have no monetary interest in this result.
crash-are you still winning in Perth?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Brisbane races,

even the commentator expressed his frustration as to why some jockeys continued to run near the fence even though they knew that it was the worst going. You figure it out...........!
As I have stated previously, if any punter continues to wager in Qld then he/she will be eating at a fast-food outlet while the rest of us frequent top-class restaurants.

Cheers

[xanadu]

SR2,
Small fields are always a mine-field for the unwary punter(s).
However, how can supposedly professional riders allow a horse/rider to get so far away from them in a small field?
Check your calendar...is it xmas because some riders were "presented" with the perfect opportunity to compete in the finish and others were left languishing!
You work it out for yourself............!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR8,
the leader set a good steady pace for the "swooper" to win easily.
I'm not complaining because I anticipated this and subsequently backed the winner:
No.6 Galactic Gun WON $3.0w$1.7plNSW
this is the whole principle of my approach.....punters-use your brains!
If you fail to notice the obvious then you are doomed to lose everything you own!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Wyong(SR6):
Did anyone else have reservations regarding some of the riding tactics adopted by some of our supposedly top jockeys in this race?
Hmmmm......work it out for yourself.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Bendigo R5,
How is it that a certain rider is flashing home, wielding the whip in a vigorous manner, then 50m out from the line reverts to a more relaxed action and subsequently costing his mount 2nd place......?
You figure it out............!

[xanadu]

SR6,

They're kidding.......!
Wasn't it opportune that the leader eased out from the fence in the straight to allow the long-shot to secure a run!
Not only that...why was a prominent rider peering behind him in the early stages of the race...maybe someone was yelling out to him to "follow the script.......!"
The sooner we get an ICAC officer in Sydney racing the better....!
This in no way implies that the current officials are not doing their job but rather, they can get on with the day to day operations and the ICAC officer can initiate his/her own enquiries.
Can anyone come up with a viable argument in the negative?
Please don't say the extra cost because the AJC is employing new bureacrats whilst telling the trainers there is no more money left in the "kitty."

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR3,

Even the commentator mused: "they were all cutting at each other up front....setting it up for something from behind"- which is exactly what happened!
Of course those involved in the duel for the lead weakened and finished "down the track" and the backmarkers swooped!
You figure it out.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

PR9,
hmmm...do you bet regularly in W.A?
I certainly don't and I never intend to because I will never forget the sight of that Perth Cup winner being held up by attendants to ensure it didn't collapse in the birdcage.
If you bet there, good luck to you because you'll need it!

Cheers.

[JoeF]

Yes, agree with the statement about that Perth Cup winner, quite distubing.

[crash]

I don't think WA is worse than anywhere else for 'suspicious' results [look no further than Flem. last Sat.]. WA still has the highest Fav. strike rate in Oz. I think I'd rather bet their than NSW !

[Dancing Sun]

well said Crash, i continue to focus mainly on perth racing and will remain to for some time. im off to the stradbroke on saturday and my missus asked me who i liked , i replied keytomoney looks the goods, which race is that,its in perth

[crash]

well said Crash, i continue to focus mainly on perth racing and will remain to for some time. im off to the stradbroke on saturday and my missus asked me who i liked , i replied keytomoney looks the goods, which race is that,its in perth


I won 3 out of 4 in Perth yesterday. I'm a happy camper.

[JoeF]

Was actually refering to the Perth Cup winner that collapsed after the race and died/was destroyed. Not actual results as such, although I don't bet in Perth.
Elaphant juice was the culprit I think.

Speaking of disturbing things to do wih animal cruelty, did anyone see the 4 Corners program on the ABC a few weeks ago to do with the Pitbulls?
Fairly disturbed me I can tell you. They should be publicly flogged.

[crash]

I eaw it and was horrified. Look at what those dogs do to little kids. They rip off flesh in slabs!

They should be banned as a breed. Their just killers. Even a Rotwheeler wouldn't last 10 sec. against a Pitbull.

[xanadu]

SR6,

was anyone else very concerned with the ride of a certain hoop in this race?
His mount was out the back for most of the way then flashed home to finish just out of the place.
Luckily, I had an "insurance bet" in this race and also backed:
5 Mister Celestial WON $5.2w$1.9plNSW
I am a form student and I saw what happened...I will watch with great interest whether the officials also saw it....hmmmm.
You work it out for yourself.
NB. this runner has the "red-light" all over it for it's next start and "smart" punters will back up!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR5,

is my nomination for "boat" race/dubious result of the day!
If you study the rides of some hoops in the closing stages of this race then you would also be concerned.
Some appeared to be floundering back in the field thereby allowing the longshot to get a winning break. Only then did they show any vigour to finish late and give their mount a "good blow!"
By that time the longshot had well and truly "stolen" the race!
Come on....what is going on...how long will the betting public tolerate such activities?
NB. someone had a late go at it in the betting ring...hmmmm!



Cheers.

[xanadu]

Gosford R7,
the favourite missed the start and the commentator stated:
"whatever chance the favourite had..it left it at the barrier...!"
Sure, there had been a delay loading horses in this particular race and several runners were left in the stalls for a long period.
However, don't you think it is coincidental that it was only the short-priced favourite which missed the start hopelessly and played no further part in the race?
You figure it out!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR3,
I just witnessed probably one of the worst rides in the last five years(IMO)!
My advice to that particular hoop is to go and get a job as a painter or concretor because on that ride you have no future in the racing game!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Kembla R5,
the favourite and 2nd favourite were the only runners to miss the start thereby playing no further part in the race, although the favourite "flashed" home to run fourth.
Go figure...how is it always the well-supported runners which have this incredible bad luck?
This race was a leg of the Quaddie and the winner paid $24.80NSW...maybe I've just answered my own question....hmmm!
When is an ICAC officer going to be appointed to work in conjunction with the Steward's Panel? It can't come quick enough for me and other long-suffering punters who feel the same way!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR3,
the favourite is the only runner to miss the start then regathers and finishes on "like a steam train" to run third. Those that backed it to win would have had steam coming out of their ears!
Again, I ask...how is it that it is the favourite or well-fancied runner(s) which seem disproportionately represented in those horses that miss the start and effectively play no part in the finish?
Hmmm....you'll have to figure that one out for yourself.
The only redeeming fact is that it was the favourite's first racestart but that is superfluous to the point that I am making.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR6,

There was a certain horse ridden by a supposedly capable rider in this race.
Yet, he sat three wide all the way and didn't finish on.
The commentator stated: "it didn't run on".....no wonder!
It was a "barry" of a ride yet he still gets his riding fee....what do we punters get....?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR6,

There was a certain horse ridden by a supposedly capable rider in this race.
Yet, he sat three wide all the way and didn't finish on.
The commentator stated: "it didn't run on".....no wonder!
It was a "barry" of a ride yet he still gets his riding fee....what do we punters get....?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR8,
Was this a "boat race" or what......?
In the final 250m several hoops adopted a riding style more suited to track gallops or trials...certainly not giving the impression they were keen to win!
One hoop hooked his mount out wide at the back of the field and it was gaining ground on the leaders but then he ran into the backside of a runner in front!
I ask you...is this the effort we would expect from a supposedly top rider....I think not....!
NB. it was the final leg of the quaddie so I have probably answered my own question.
I don't bet on the quaddie much as I feel there are too many temptations for rather dubious practices to occur.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

BR6,
the favourite is pulled up soon after the start and plays no further part in the race.
No wonder I very, very rarely bet on Brisbane races!
NB. the horse's name was "Foolish"...maybe this is appropriate for those "desperates" who continue to wager up there.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR6,
After some very questionable rides by some jockeys the race is won by the longshot....go figure!
Interesting that it was a leg of the quaddie isn't it...hmmmmmmm!
Throw the form books/documents out the window in such races!!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR4,
Did anyone else have any reservations as to how some horses were ridden in this race?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR5,
...DITTO.....!!!!!

[xanadu]

MR2,
Anyone else share my concern with the ride/run of a certain fancied public elect in this race?
Are the stewards allowing horses to run when not fit enough to perform at their optimum level?
We'll watch with great interest how it goes next start!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR2,
the ride on a certain runner left a lot to be desired...but then again, the "royalty" of racing have no reason to explain themselves to we "plebs"(the racing/betting public) do they..................?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR3,
this was a bit better...but...I pose the question - do the officials "tolerate" so-called "practice runs"....I'll leave it up to you!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR5,
anyone else share my concerns with the extraordinary pace set up front in this race?
Maybe the cynical amongst us would consider that it was to set things up for the swoopers.
NB. Trifecta:$20,254.40.....!!!!!!!!!
You figure it out.....!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR6,
there was a supposedly top rider who "buried" his mount back in the field amongst "traffic" and then he "got the split" and what did he do....?
He "put the brakes on" and the horse finished unplaced!
Mate, I didn't miss you!
Why do the media "pander" to such individuals?
You figure it out...!!!
People, study your videos and you will see what I mean...!!!!
For goodness sake...what are the officials doing...!!!!?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

A certain commentator exclaimed today:
"How could that possibly win?"...!
He then went on to outline this hack's previous form and was left nonplussed!
Like the rest of us mate...the long suffering betting public!
I ask you..is it time for an ICAC officer to be appointed in every state?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

MR3,
there was a "late go" for a certain runner which eventually won.
I was on No.7 the usurped PP favourite which ran 2nd and paid $1.4plNSW which equals a 16.67%POT so I am not "talking through my kick!"
No.7 missed the start and settled well back in the field and unleashed a solid run in the straight but the winner had too big a break.
However, I again ask the question: "how is it that the favourite or well-fancied runner misses the start on a disproportional ratio of racestarts?"
You will have to ponder this and work it out for yourselves.

Cheers.

[Top Rank]

I can't believe I stumbled across this post. Are these fair dinkum posts or a gee up. You can't seriously be this down all the time, why are you punting?

If everything you say is true, how is it possible for someone with no inside knowledge, contacts etc. to win.

As my son would say, "Chill dad".

[xanadu]

Point taken,
however, I will always exercise my god-given/democratic right to express my opinion.
eg. BR7, this was a very controversial race and I feel it is something which may in the near future elicit discussion/controversy, being the very principles of this forum.
Contributors of differing views can express themselves in a civil manner and whilst not always agreeing can appreciate the views of other contributors.
Yes, sometimes I do play "devil's advocate" to elicit the very responses as you have so graciously provided.
As you can see from other threads, I am not always "negative"...rather, I am attempting to get people talking/expressing their views in a conciliatory manner.
Good to speak to you.
NB. on another note I am currently enjoying a brew from Millers, U.S.A. named "Chill" "Chelada style" which is similar to Corona....my advice ...give it a go...!

[Top Rank]

There is no doubt that you have every right to express your views and power to this country we live in.
Just a couple of things: Is it your contention that there is, on a regular basis, skullduggery and illegality going on in horse racing.
Do you invest on horse races and if so, why would you if you believe everything that you say on this thread. Surely a learned man such as yourself could find something a lot less nefarious than investing on crooked horse races.
Enjoy your beer, I have had one but I will stick to the locals.

[Top Rank]

I agree there was some controversy surrounding BR7.
But I will be interested to see what your take is on this one, because without wanting to give offense, you do tend to go over the top with the drama about these things.

Bob El Issa did stop riding, a stride or so before the post because he genuinely thought he had it won. Much the same as jockeys have done over the ages.

He has made a mistake .....

But the theme of a lot of your threads tends to suggest something crooked has happened. Honest mistake on this one.

[xanadu]

SR1,
Hmmm.............!

[xanadu]

MR6,
Hmmm.....you figure it out...!

[Stix]

MR6,
Hmmm.....you figure it out...!Nothing too much here X, I'd forget it as a form race and move onto further profits.

[xanadu]

G'day Stix,
while I respect your opinion...I ask the question...were the officials advised of the change in tactics of the eventual winner:
SR6 5 WON $9.8w$3.0plNSW
although I was on this runne(saver bet) and made a tidy POT I am still concerned that the betting public were not suitably informed. So, as you can see..I am not talking "through my kick" which is the usual "put-down" to counter such claims.

Cheers.

[Top Rank]

Can you tell why we have the right to know how a horse is going to be ridden? Why the trainer has to tell all and sundry his instructions to a jockey.
Isn't the fact that the horse, jockey and trainer have all put in their best efforts to win the race enough.

[crash]

Xanadu,

I'm a bit surprised about your concerns about skulduggery in racing. Anywhere there is money to be made it exists, from land developers, Politicians, inside trading and yes especially the gambling industry including horse racing.

Any reading about horse racing history has plenty of common and sometimes spectacular skulduggery mentioned. There was no date at which it suddenly all stopped that's for sure. Regarding the common gripes you mention they are mostly very hard to prove so that's a big problem. Personally I just take it in my stride as part of the game and know yes, often it's going to cost me money so I don't stress about it. It's just another hurdle among many others in trying to beat the bookie, which long-term I never expect to do.

I bet for pleasure nowadays because I love horse racing. If I wanted to make money I could think of plenty of better ways to do it with better odds of success.

[xanadu]

posts152-3,
the reason the betting public has the right is because they contribute $billions every year into this industry and expect/warrant excellent administration and ethics in the operation of this industry.
crash, any alleged wrong-doers should be dealt with in a similar manner as HK deals with their integrity issues...it is a model that I would encourage the Australian administrators to follow.

Cheers.

[Top Rank]

They get excellent administration and as long as everyone is doing their best this should be sufficient.
What if the trainer of Hurrah said "We will attempt to ride on the speed". Would that have been sufficient or would you have complained that this was not exact enough and he should have said, "We will go out with a massive lead", which they did.
What if they wanted to lead and attempted to and were unable to, would they be criticised. Pandora's box is opening.
You know my position on the skullduggery, I think your overplaying it.
Mistakes, sometimes incompetence yes, illegality rare.

[xanadu]

Top Rank,
you must live in a "perfect world" and if only this was the case.
The rest of we "battlers" depend on our daily/weekly earnings to put "food on the table."
Therefore, we have every right to expect the officials to advise we "mortals" of expected/anticipated change of riding tactics.
I heard a commentator state something to the contrary earlier today....but then again...what does he know...?

Cheers.

[Top Rank]

Mmmm,
C'mon Xanadu I have seen you come up with better than that.
I must say but it is great being an immortal. Punt forever.

[xanadu]

I shouldn't complain too much as I secured the trifecta(flexi):
13.9.08-SR9 7, 2, 10 paid: $2349.80NSW
which paid a few expenses.

Cheers.

[Kingston Town]

G'day Stix,
while I respect your opinion...I ask the question...were the officials advised of the change in tactics of the eventual winner:
SR6 5 WON $9.8w$3.0plNSW
although I was on this runne(saver bet) and made a tidy POT I am still concerned that the betting public were not suitably informed. So, as you can see..I am not talking "through my kick" which is the usual "put-down" to counter such claims.

Cheers.Xanadu

Hurrah is usually ridden handy/on pace & did lead in a race at canterbury back in feb. If you look at the replay you will see that Bowman was caught 3 wide facing the breeze & did try to ease in behind the leaders but was still going to be 3 wide so he then elected to go to the lead. It was then genius or idiot fortunately for Bowman he came up a genius. The particulaly daring thing he did was rather than give his horse a breather coming to the HT & bring his horse back to the field, he made them all work & chase him to make up the ground. In the end this proved to be to big a task for Red Lord with a hefty 58kg & Bowman made him carry every gram of it.

Circumstances were the cause of the change in tactics & I'm sure Chris Waller was glad he had a jock who wasn't frightened to make an executive decision.

Hugh Bowman is one of the top 2 or 3 riders in the whole country, he's an excellent judge of pace, never panics & often times his run to perfection. More importantly than anything else he's a very balanced rider & horses travel for him.

Pete

[xanadu]

SR9,
why wasn't this runner mentioned positively in form evaluations....hmmm..you be the judge.

[Kingston Town]

SR9,
why wasn't this runner mentioned positively in form evaluations....hmmm..you be the judge.Why don't you explain what you believe is so suspicious and please explain the logic behind your suspicions. I assume you are talking about the winner.

[Mr. Logic]

SR9,
why wasn't this runner mentioned positively in form evaluations....hmmm..you be the judge.

It's pretty obvious to me. My Vegas, a 5YO horse, had 2 wins and 3 seconds from 7 starts. It was 3rd. up in a Listed race at Rosehill over 1100 metres. First up it won a Newcastle Rst65 over 900 metres. Second up it only finished second in a Rosehill Rst91 and started at $12.00. Of course it looked out of its class in a Listed race. So why should the racing media discuss it? Add to that the trainer, Charlie Britt of Gosford is not exactly a high profile trainer. So it is pretty obvious to me with the horse being plunged from $9.00 to $5.50 and winning that connections knew something the rest of us did not. In fact, they were probably too eager and should have let the horse ease out much more in the betting before putting on the money.

[Top Rank]

Definitely gave this horse a good chance, but I think the plunge was lucky to come off. A few hard luck stories in this one. German Chocolate and Gamble Me just to mention two.
That's racing.

[Kingston Town]

SR9,
why wasn't this runner mentioned positively in form evaluations....hmmm..you be the judge.The RB65 win at Newcastle was by 3L coming from 6th on the turn in a race they ran home in 33.61sec to do this My Vegas had to run home in under 33secs, OK it was only a 65 at Newcastle but that's a super sectional & big win anywhere.

He was then backed from 16-1 into 11-1 when he ran a close 2nd to Kiloton (a horse with a huge wrap on him) in a Saturday RB91 (1 class below city open) at Rosehill.

All his form in Mexico was on city tracks except his 5L maiden win at Kilmore. He also started fav in his 1st 4 runs. Obviously he's always impressed in trackwork but has had his problems. So it was all there for anyone who wanted to look hard enough.

I didn't spend more than about 5mins on this race before I decided there where too many chances & the market agreed with me with a 4-1 fav and another 5 horses in single figures 4 of them under 11-2. An ambitious plunge in a listed race with so many chances but nothing suspicious. Mr logics also made a few very valid points.

[xanadu]

While my intention is not to inflame this issue I feel that an explanation of some of my comments is helpful.
First, I will always reject some interloper(s) attempting "to put words into my mouth" with statements such as: "what did you mean by that...are you suggesting...etc?"
We've seen/heard it all before-anyone who steps up to express their constitutional/god-given rights of free speech are immediately attacked by others who may have a hidden agenda...you work it out for yourself.
So, fellow forumites...are you going to allow the "thought-police" to intimidate you expressing your views or cower to their wants/demands?
Thank You.

Cheers.

[Moderator 3]

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[xanadu]

Point taken,

No offence intended.

Cheers.

[Top Rank]

Yes OK. You have your god given rights all sewn up, but are you going to expand on the My Vegas race or just throw a suspicion out there and then go down the "God Given Avenue" when someone throws up valid reasons for the performance.

C'Mon Xanadu, please explain.

[xanadu]

No, Top Rank,
My comments were intended to arouse serious/intelligent debate without casting aspersions on any runner...you didn't back it did you.....?
I am sure you would agree with the principles of this wholeheartedly...am I right..?

Cheers.

[Top Rank]

So do you have a position on this one or are you getting splinters on the fence?
Clearly KT, Mr. L and myself believe "no big deal" with this one, is that what you were after?

For the record I was on German Chocolate.

[xanadu]

Result: 20.9.08- SR9:
1 German Chocolate 3rd $2.50plNSW
Well, if you had invested in my recommended ratio of 1x5 you would have returned a healthy 108.33%POT!!!!!
I ask you...are you going to convert to my betting principles?

Cheers.

[Top Rank]

I would write more but I cannot stop chuckling.
Should be a politician Xanadu.
If your "principles" work for you, keep going I am not going to tell you how to wager your hard earned.

[xanadu]

Goodonya,
Haveagoodun.

[mjr]

XANADU, in allyour prognostications about suss races you must always factor in two salient points, first most jockeys these day have no idea how fast tha are going or what the pace of the race is and secondly and most importantly they are the only breed of human who would fail an IQ TEST CONSISTENTLY. But we still keep punting so we cant be to far below their level can we?

[xanadu]

mjr,
I disagree whole heartedly!
As you probably know ..I have been lobbying for some time that an ICAC officer be appointed to work closely with the stewards and pursue issues which he/she deems appropriate.
They should copy the very efficient model instigated by the HK officials.
Just in passing ...how is it that so many jocks have returned to our shores from HK in such a relatively short space of time, theoretically foregoing enormous amounts in riding fees?
I'll save that for another thread.......!

Cheers.

[crash]

xanadu,
Personally, I think you have one too many conspiracy theories going on here.
Who knows, maybe your right, but evidence seems thin on the ground or more to the point, non-existent. Stewards only investigate facts, not punter speculation put forward as 'fact'.

[Kingston Town]

Anyone who knows how to analyse race videos properly & also reads the stewards reports, knows that for the most part the stewards do a very good job of querying anything that is at all questionable & are very quick to take action where possible & needed.

Are some horses given a run? Yes
Does it happen often? No
Are there races where all the jockey's are in on it & only one horse can win the race? Not an easy thing to do & I haven't seen it on a metro track since the early 80's.

For the most part the stewards do a very good job & metro/provincial racing is 99% of the time reliable. You will see some pretty dodgy stuff at some of the country tracks but not regularly & it's only gotten away with because the stewards aren't as well educated.

In my experience anyone who continually makes wild & unfounded accusations of impropriety simply can't accept that they have made an error in judgment & are looking to blame something other than themselves for losing their money.

[xanadu]

Flaming. Last warning. Posters are entitled to disagree with others' opinions.

Moderator 3.

[Top Rank]

A very nasty flame. Have seven day's suspension while you consider your posting style.
Moderator 1.

[xanadu]

Low content. Deleted.

[Kingston Town]

Damn I missed all the action

[xanadu]

Please do not make these insinuations here.
Moderator.

[xanadu]

Post deleted. You are welcome to post facts. Please avoid making any comments which suggest or hint at an impropriety. Make those comments if you wish to the proper authorities and definitely NOT in this place. This is a final warning. Please take note. Moderator.

[Top Rank]

Disputing moderators and calling a suspension for a "nasty flame" soft is not acceptable here. 14 days suspension. Moderator 1.

[xanadu]

Do you think so........?
Anyone who dislikes this thread are obviously a person who is:
Scared
Of
Others'
Knowledge
I'll leave it at that except to say that we must never let the "thought police" win or we are not exercising our democratic rights to free expression.

[xanadu]

Kembla:
PR1,
hmmm...what did you think?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR1, a horse rears at the start and it's chances are virtually wiped after that.
Coincidentally, the horse was the favourite and I again ask...why does it always seem to be the favourite which misses the start?

[crash]

A dozen curiosities or more today, but that's the name of the game.

[tevez17]

Nice ride on Youthful Jack Ross...

[Stix]

A dozen curiosities or more today, but that's the name of the game.There will be plenty of ink written up by the stewards today, they might walk out before the lights get turned off ;)

[Mr. Logic]

The answer to your question is pretty simple in my opinion. As most punters are either on the favourite, or watching the favourite, because it is a market danger to their bet, of course they notice when the favourite rears at the start. But they don't take any notice and remember the $20, $50, $100 chances that also rear at the start. I suggest you keep some stats and then you will see that your myth of it always seeming "to be the favourite which misses the start" will be disproved.


SR1, a horse rears at the start and it's chances are virtually wiped after that.
Coincidentally, the horse was the favourite and I again ask...why does it always seem to be the favourite which misses the start?

[xanadu]

Yeah...right...I'll get onto that right away...sport!

[xanadu]

Go figure....,
MR3,
the race is won by the longer priced stablemate while the odds-on favourite ran second.
Good luck to connections and commiserations to most punters...except for those "smart" punters who, like me, backed both!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR2,
the reason that jockeys are engaged to ride a stable's representative is for their skill, judgement and guile.
Well a certain hoop displayed none of these attributes in this race!
Yet, he receives a monetary reward/fee for his ride...what does the racing/betting public get...only the knowledge that their wager was in vain.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

What about some of the results so far today particularly at Gosford.
Small fields are certainly a recipe for disaster..anyone would think the well-supported runners had lost a leg...longshots appear to be the order of the day...go figure.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Go figure.....!
Some rider(s) today at Hawkesbury couldn't even stay upon their mount.

Cheers.

[crash]

What about some of the results so far today particularly at Gosford.
Small fields are certainly a recipe for disaster..anyone would think the well-supported runners had lost a leg...longshots appear to be the order of the day...go figure.

Cheers.

Melb. was no different [as usual on Oaks day].

[xanadu]

MR6,
what about the debacle in this race!
If the officials conclude the great horse was "too fresh" and under-done then there should be an inquiry!
The public is sick and tired of this!
We'll wait and see what eventuates!
At the presentation the speaker stated: "this is what racing is all about...."
Will the public's confidence be undermined?
That is for all of us to decide.

[xanadu]

SR6,
did anyone else have concerns with the rides of a couple of hoops in this race?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Wyong R2,
Five horse field and the outsider wins....go figure!

[xanadu]

If you believe this then lodge an official complaint with the authorities.
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Moderator 3.

[xanadu]

Post deleted.
Sorry, but this company is not publishing potentially defamatory information.
If you believe something illegal has been done, then lodge an official complaint with the authorities. Making allegations here is not the appropriate course of action. Please desist.
Moderator 3.

[xanadu]

Post deleted.
If you believe any illegal activity has taken place the contact the appropriate authorities with your suspicions.
Moderator 3.

[crash]

And the 'usual mug punters' are doing the same!

[xanadu]

Yeah, you could be right crass,
I watched some of the Brisbane races today(didn't bet).....nothing has changed...!
I'll leave it at that.......!

Cheers.

[maverick1993]

be very wary of the Gold Coast but like anywhere you have to be carefull

interesting Ronnie Maunds horse in the 6th ,,,nicely weighted ,,won very easily there earlier this year ,,and bred nicely,,paid $12
the Smarts around the this forum must be rubbing off as it just looked to good to be true ,,,it all went onto Sir Teles who llike a million other people (thanks AT) backed it like a good thing,,,

[xanadu]

A certain winning hoop today displayed more vigour than he usually does when in the majority of his rides he is seen languishing at the rear of the field behind a wall of "rump steak."
Makes you/I wonder doesn't it...hmmmm.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

I see the "Koala Bear(s)" have had a good day today in Melbourne.
Go figure.....!
Nudge, nudge...wink...wink...who can the "Koala Bear(s)" be...?
Give it some thought.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Yesterday at Randwick I witnessed a rider actually "putting the stops " on his mount in the run to the line in a busy finish!
Look at your photo-finishes as he was "caught" showing no inclination to finish amongst the place-getters. His legs are outstretched in the irons and no-one can tell me this was for no other purpose than to "apply the brakes."
It was a "Quaddie" race so perhaps this explains things.
Go figure...!

[xanadu]

SR1,
I saw a horrible ride in this race on a well supported runner...go figure!

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Mount Gambier GR1,
"crap"
I won't be betting there again...!

[topsy99]

1 bet for the day fraaclase.

[xanadu]

Did anyone notice that the favourite "reared" in the stall prior to racestart, came out with the tailenders and played no further part in the race, finishing close to last.
Go figure.....!

[lomaca]

Did anyone notice that the favourite "reared" in the stall prior to racestart, came out with the tailenders and played no further part in the race, finishing close to last.
Go figure.....!Maybe they know they are the fav. and get nervous and jumpy?

[xanadu]

Yeah,......maybe......!

[xanadu]

SR8,
I am very glad that I declined to wager in this particular race.
If you look at the result you will know why.
Give me a break.....!

[peterpan]

In this race....... of all the horses that opened shorter than their prepost.........Kaybriella by way of percentages was the biggest shortener, so it became a bet for me, but only for the place.
Just because a 9/1 shot knocks an odds on off, doesn't mean there is any thing sinister in it. The fav was rising from a maiden to a r65 class, and it is always a hard task to win their next race after winning a maiden.
The winner ran third in it's last start in the same class so I can't see why it couldn't be a contender to win. The bookies obviously thought it had a chance opening it at equal third fav.
In fact for the way I bet and find my selections this was a very good bet for me.
There are many ways to skin a puddytat.

[xanadu]

Yeah, sure,
we all have our own opinions and I have no problem with that.
However,SR1...I saw a totally incompetent riding display by a particular rider.
This individual never appeared to be in command of his/her mount and should go back to riding school!
I've warned you before regarding certain riders.

Cheers.

[xanadu]

Post deleted.
Potentially defamatory.
Moderator.

[xanadu]

Yeah,
no problem but it is a bit like prior to WW2 when the British attempted to appease Hitler...they never directly addressed the problem but chose an appeasment program and we all know how that finished.

Cheers.

[Moderator 3]

Well Xanadu, you can directly address what you see as the problem by contacting the appropriate authorities, naming names, and requesting they investigate your allegations.

Moderator.

[xanadu]

If anyone continues to wager on the "red-hots" I can almost guarantee that you will be dining at the Salvos in the near future.

Havagoodun.

[xanadu]

There was a race at Ballarat today which makes the punter wonder.
Two horses went to the lead setting a good pace.
Then around the turn one of the hoops actually looked to his left to see which backmarker would come through as a big gap had appeared.
Needless to say the two "pace-setters" finished amongst "the also-rans."
I backed the winner so I am not "talking through my kick" but I have grave reservations as to how this race was run.
(Moderator: I know...."take it to the relevant authorities."
Makes you/I wonder doesn't it....?

Cheers.

[xanadu]

SR2,
Makes us wonder doesn't it...the traps in small fields ...yet some time ago a certain character attempted to divert attention away from this anomaly.
Makes the punter believe that markets in such races are framed "over-around" ie. the true chances are the supposed longshots...but then again I'm sure that some people benefit from laying the favourites in such races.
Such is the state of Sydney racing....you make your own mind up....!
(Oh yeah...Moderator....take my concerns to the relevant authorities...).

Cheers.

[rabbitz]

Post deleted.
Unsubstantiated generalisations about corruption.
If you are able to substantiate anything then please take it to the appropriate authorities.

Moderator 3.

[xanadu]

This negative post deleted.
Moderator.

[xanadu]

Perth races,
after PR4 if you continue to wager at this venue then good luck..because you will need it!
I see that PR7 1 Marasco will be running ......good luck.......!

Cheers.

[MyHatMyCoat]

Perth races,
after PR4 if you continue to wager at this venue then good luck..because you will need it!
I see that PR7 1 Marasco will be running ......good luck.......!

Cheers.

Yeah, Marasco did ok too.
For a change :)

[xanadu]

Negative post deleted. Complain to the stewards or see if one of the daily newspapers is prepared to publish that. Moderator.

[xanadu]

We have figured. No thanks. Deleted.
Moderator.

[xanadu]

SR7,
wasn't it good to see a "battling" hoop win........?
SR7 17 WON $14.8w$3.9plNSW

[Moderator 3]

Thread closed.
We have had to deal with too many issues behind the scenes for us to justify continuing running this thread on the forum.

Moderator.