Doncaster Handicap

[Sands]

No Horse Trainer Jockey Weight
1 Theseo Gai Waterhouse Darren Beadman 58kg
2 Danleigh Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 57kg
3 Typhoon Tracy Peter Moody Luke Nolen 56.5kg
4 Black Piranha C o n Karakatsanis Jim Cassidy 55.5kg
5 Rangirangdoo Chris Waller Nash Rawiller 55.5kg
6 Vision And Power Joe Pride Michael Rodd 55.5kg
7 Road To Rock Anthony Cummings Damien Oliver 54kg
8 Wall Street Jeff Lynds Opie Bosson 53kg
9 Allez Wonder Bart Cummings Michelle Payne 52kg
10 Triple Honour Chris Waller Tim Clark 52kg
11 Mentality Hawkes Racing TBA 51.5kg
12 Brilliant Light Kerry Parker Jay Ford 51kg
13 Miss Marielle Joe Pride Tommy Berry (a) 51kg
14 Centennial Park David Payne Craig Williams 51kg
15 Walking Or Dancing Brett Partelle Glen Boss 51kg
16 Palacio De Cristal Grahame Begg Peter Wells 51kg
17 Drumbeats Peter Snowden Kerrin McEvoy 51kg
18 Prima Nova Anthony Cummings Daniel Ganderton (a) 51kg
19 Snapy Halo John O'Shea Jason Maskeill (a) 51kg
20 Tobique Allan Denham Craig Newitt 51kg
21 (Emg) Recoup De Fortune Anthony Cummings Brenton Avdulla (a) 51kg

[Sands]

Barrier draw later today

[Sands]

Darren Beadman likely rider for Theseo after stewards ruled that Nash Rawiller will ride the Chris Waller-trained Rangirangdoo.

Theseo was to have his next run in Queen Elizabeth Stakes but is now an acceptor for the Doncaster.

The Waterhouse stable argued that Rawiller was booked to ride Theseo throughout the autumn.

Gai Waterhouse is believed to be giving consideration to lodging an appeal against the decision.

[Makybe Diva]

No Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 Theseo Gai Waterhouse Darren Beadman or Nash Rawiller 17 58kg
2 Danleigh Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 15 57kg
3 Typhoon Tracy Peter Moody Luke Nolen 14 56.5kg
4 Black Piranha ****** Karakatsanis Jim Cassidy 18 55.5kg
5 Rangirangdoo Chris Waller Nash Rawiller 10 55.5kg
6 Vision And Power Joe Pride Michael Rodd 8 55.5kg
7 Road To Rock Anthony Cummings Damien Oliver 1 54kg
8 Wall Street Jeff Lynds Opie Bosson 7 53kg
9 Allez Wonder Bart Cummings Michelle Payne 12 52kg
10 Triple Honour Chris Waller Tim Clark 2 52kg
11 Mentality Hawkes Racing TBA 5 51.5kg
12 Brilliant Light Kerry Parker Jay Ford 16 51kg
13 Miss Marielle Joe Pride Tommy Berry (a) 9 51kg
14 Centennial Park David Payne Craig Williams 19 51kg
15 Walking Or Dancing Brett Partelle Glen Boss 21 51kg
16 Palacio De Cristal Grahame Begg Peter Wells 3 51kg
17 Drumbeats Peter Snowden Kerrin McEvoy 20 51kg
18 Prima Nova Anthony Cummings Daniel Ganderton (a) 4 51kg
19 Snapy Halo John O'Shea Jason Maskeill (a) 11 51kg
20 Tobique Allan Denham Craig Newitt 6 51kg
21 EMG Recoup De Fortune Anthony Cummings Brenton Avdulla (a) 13 51kg

[Horse Whisperer]

Allez Wonder back on a dry track. Dropping massively in the weights from her last two runs. Barrier 12 looks ideal, the weather forcast looks ideal. E.w special @ $71 & $18

If they srted out the problems with Black Piranha last start he will be in this on past form. Showed it first up so with that sort of effort he could be another good e.w chance.

[Abs]

Impressed by Snapy Halo's last run and Palacio De Cristal will be thereabouts. But hard to go past the obvious, TT. Hope it gets beaten for the sake of tri value.

[Makybe Diva]

Impressed by Snapy Halo's last run and Palacio De Cristal will be thereabouts. But hard to go past the obvious, TT. Hope it gets beaten for the sake of tri value.

Problem with SH and PDC is they just keep running on but never seem to win and when they do win, no one is on them LOL.

[Abs]

Problem with SH and PDC is they just keep running on but never seem to win and when they do win, no one is on them LOL.So true about PDC, haven't seem a lot of Snappy lately. Place usually pays alright, might not back them to win though.

[maverick1993]

Looks real good speed in this , Theseo , Road to Rock , Walking or Dancing all going pretty hard , TT just off them
I can see Theseo and TT fighting it up the hill and then a swooper getting them late.
Really suits Palacio if the track is dry , Danliegh and the Ranga . Rough chances aswell to Brilliant Light and Snappy ,

Tracey has shown before when the big boys take her on shes vulnerable , Big theseo is a minus to her but a big bonus to Palacio and Danleigh.

Palacio can do a private Steer here and weave through the pack (still gives me goosebumps watching that replay)

always love this race , my fave next to the Straddie..

[Chuck]

Looks real good speed in this , Theseo , Road to Rock , Walking or Dancing all going pretty hard , TT just off them
I can see Theseo and TT fighting it up the hill and then a swooper getting them late.
Really suits Palacio if the track is dry , Danliegh and the Ranga . Rough chances aswell to Brilliant Light and Snappy ,

Tracey has shown before when the big boys take her on shes vulnerable , Big theseo is a minus to her but a big bonus to Palacio and Danleigh.

Palacio can do a private Steer here and weave through the pack (still gives me goosebumps watching that replay)

always love this race , my fave next to the Straddie..

I'm with you big time here Mav. Doncaster is my favourite race of the year.... so many of my favourite wins.... Private Steer as you say was phenomenal, was there that day and had a stack on... Vision and Power last year was also great for me.... I'm still filthy about Casino Prince getting beaten in 08, should have won by 3 or 4 that day.

i agree about there being a bit of speed on, and i'm almost prepared to lay theseo and typhoon tracy. you need to be able to run a strong mile plus to win a tough randwick mile like this, theres a few swoopers i think are value.

I just think Palacio has been set for this... i know she's been having some trouble out of the barrier and will get a long way back but it should all be set up for her to run a big one.

I'm heading out again this week (was great fun on derby day) looking forward to it

[Makybe Diva]

Looks real good speed in this , Theseo , Road to Rock , Walking or Dancing all going pretty hard , TT just off them
I can see Theseo and TT fighting it up the hill and then a swooper getting them late.
Really suits Palacio if the track is dry , Danliegh and the Ranga . Rough chances aswell to Brilliant Light and Snappy ,

Tracey has shown before when the big boys take her on shes vulnerable , Big theseo is a minus to her but a big bonus to Palacio and Danleigh.

Palacio can do a private Steer here and weave through the pack (still gives me goosebumps watching that replay)

always love this race , my fave next to the Straddie..

Rock Kingdom won it last year did it not with Rangi 2nd on heavy conditions? If that was the Doncaster, I remember that was the first time I have won $50 on here and because it was my first deposit, Sportsbet matched it so I had $100 to spend. I chucked it all on Road to Rock before his run before the Doncaster at $43 and I still reckon if the track was dry he would have won. Came charging down the outside on a day where many didn't make up ground.

[Chuck]

Rock Kingdom won it last year did it not with Rangi 2nd on heavy conditions? If that was the Doncaster, I remember that was the first time I have won $50 on here and because it was my first deposit, Sportsbet matched it so I had $100 to spend. I chucked it all on Road to Rock before his run before the Doncaster at $43 and I still reckon if the track was dry he would have won. Came charging down the outside on a day where many didn't make up ground.

nah, that was the epsom you're thinking of. Vision and Power won the donnie last year

[Makybe Diva]

nah, that was the epsom you're thinking of. Vision and Power won the donnie last year

Ahh true thankyou. Walking or Dancing has been scratched due to a stone bruise. Recoup De Fortune in.

[Sands]

Walking or Dancing is an early scratching
1st emergency Recoup De Fortune will now get a run

[MyHatMyCoat]

Darren Beadman likely rider for Theseo after stewards ruled that Nash Rawiller will ride the Chris Waller-trained Rangirangdoo.

Theseo was to have his next run in Queen Elizabeth Stakes but is now an acceptor for the Doncaster.

The Waterhouse stable argued that Rawiller was booked to ride Theseo throughout the autumn.

Gai Waterhouse is believed to be giving consideration to lodging an appeal against the decision.
Been reported that Gai is taking this matter to the Supreme Court. Being heard tomorrow.

[maverick1993]

If i was Waller i'd let him go and book Beadman who i think would suit Rangi better . I think the rougher you are with Rangi the more he flattens out , Nash is tough on them and his style does suit the warhorse Theseo so i can see why Gai really wants him.
I cant have Black Piranha or Vision and Power in this unless theres alot of rain about both i think have been flattered by suitable conditions and are probably a length or two off some of these.

I liked the way Danleigh moved into the race earlier than usual last start and then pounced , This will give him a slight advantage over palacio who will be saved for one final weaving sprint through the pack. I had my doubts Danliegh over a tough mile but he was super strong last start.

[cheekyshiraz]

Hi guys

I was analysing this race from a time prespective and found some outsiders who could well be in the mix to the line on sat.

Last year this race was won in 1.36.66 on a Dead track. Brilliant Light ran this distace at randwick last weekend on a dead track in 1.35.7 and is 5kg lighted this run!!!

Tobique has run 1600 in 1.36.89 on a slow track at randwick 2kg heavier than tis run...could we assume that he would run this distance on a dead tack in1.5 - 2 seconds quicker..say a 1.35??

Wall street ran a 1.33.86 on a good going in NZ carring 2kg more than this trip and has won 7 time over this distance....can we use this time as a relevant measure against the randwick circuit??

Typhoon tracy'sbest time over this distance is a 1.34.42 at caulfield on a good track...is it prudent to say this time would have been near a 1.36 on a dead track??

just wondering what your thoughts are on these time and how relevant you guys think they are. From a time prespective it looks like brilliant light, tobique and wall street would be right in the mix!

cheers

[Makybe Diva]

Hi guys

I was analysing this race from a time prespective and found some outsiders who could well be in the mix to the line on sat.

Last year this race was won in 1.36.66 on a Dead track. Brilliant Light ran this distace at randwick last weekend on a dead track in 1.35.7 and is 5kg lighted this run!!!

Tobique has run 1600 in 1.36.89 on a slow track at randwick 2kg heavier than tis run...could we assume that he would run this distance on a dead tack in1.5 - 2 seconds quicker..say a 1.35??

Wall street ran a 1.33.86 on a good going in NZ carring 2kg more than this trip and has won 7 time over this distance....can we use this time as a relevant measure against the randwick circuit??

Typhoon tracy'sbest time over this distance is a 1.34.42 at caulfield on a good track...is it prudent to say this time would have been near a 1.36 on a dead track??

just wondering what your thoughts are on these time and how relevant you guys think they are. From a time prespective it looks like brilliant light, tobique and wall street would be right in the mix!

cheers

The times are different on every course. You are better off comparing the time to the track record for that particular kind of surface IMO.

[jake]

Been reported that Gai is taking this matter to the Supreme Court. Being heard tomorrow.
gai has lost the supreme court battle..nash rawiller will ride rangirangdoo..darren beadman will ride theseo..

[maverick1993]

Looks a tough race , my speed map has Palacio having to have an awful amount of luck to win this , she'll be behind alot of horse going backwards here and i'm not that confident in Wells to pull it off. Will be a ******** of a win .

Rangi gets the good drop on these leaders, Danliegh will have to go wide and that will eat up some lengths and i worry about that last 50m.

Thought Triple Honour the best roughie , he gets the gun run and his last run wasnt all that bad , Road to rock gets a good run also .

TT and Theseo will give a good sight but both will be hampered i think by Recoup defortune ,,still both are to good to leave out of the exotics.

I'll be having something e/w on the roughie Triple Honour but mainly focusing on the exotics with the ones mentioned.