dutching quinella

[dimboola]

hI everyone, I was wondering if it were possible to Dutch quinellas. If so, how? Thanks

[good 4th]

This is how i do it.
Dutching quinellas is the same as Dutching a single runner, the lower the odds the less profit/ return, the more over the book, the more cost involved to win a set amount back.

To get an appox return on two runners just add their odds together, its not exact but some times it works in your favour.

You might for example pick only even numbers in a dog race.
2,4,6,8
This is from the 28th June Gosford Dogs race 5.

Add up their odds.
You might like to win a set amount back; $100.00 or you might like to spread a $100.00 across the runners. You will need a dutching formula for all of this just do a search in the forum.
For this exercise we want to win $100.00 plus cover our cost.

Price per runner
2=$3
4=$16
6=$18
8=$7

So.....

Price per Quinella
2,4=$19
2,6=$21
2,8=$10
4,6=$34
4,8=$23
8,6=$25

As it rurned out 4,2 won,paid $32.5 on QTAB
The total cost to win $100.00 = $46
So each set of runners will cost this..

2,4=$7.5
2,6=$7
2,8=$14.5
4,6=$4.5
4,8=$6.5
8,6=$6

As you can see 4,2 won and paid ($32.5 * $7.5= $243.75) -$46 =$197.75
Loads of overs here.
Dont forget you could also use the lowest paying pair as a saver bet.
Really its endless but as with all things punting you gotta pick em and this is where i have discovered that nothing works unless you have a very large and endless bank and if i did i would'nt bother with all of this.

[dimboola]

Thanks, good 4th. I get it now.

[chiller]

If you have one of Scotts books...look at the formula there
Quinellas....100/(x(y+1)) + 100/(y(x+1) where x and y are the price of the horses...
so if two 4/1 shots.... 100/(4(4+1)) + 100/(4(4+1)) becomes
100/20+ 100/20 equals 10
works the same for exactas....say 6/4 and 10....
100/1.5(10+1) =100/16.5 say 6....
100/10(1.5+1) = 100/25 is 4....
If you are interested I have a chart on the prices which obviates the need for all the mathematics..

[Zlotti]

Dimboola

I made a little spreadsheet that does the calculations for you. You just enter the selections and prices, it will return the stake and expected return amounts.

I was prompted to make it after reading this thread yesterday. It took me 10 hours and the missus was not impressed.

It's yours if you want it. If enough people show an interest I will post it here on the forum.

Regards
Zlotti

[good 4th]

Zlotti,
I would love to see the spread sheet,i think after all the time you spent working on it it deserves to be shown.
Lets keep these ideas rolling in, who knows it might trigger something.

[Zlotti]

To get an appox return on two runners just add their odds together, its not exact but some times it works in your favour.
As you said, just adding the two prices together isn't the best but it works for what we need to do.

If anyone changes this for the better, please post it back so we can all benefit from it.

Regards

Zlotti

PS. No smart ass remarks about the amount of hours it took to get it right either!

[Wunfluova]

This all seems a bit complicated. What I generally do is say ... "look sweetheart, you pay for your quinellas and I'll pay for mine - ok?"

Regards,
Wun
(with apologies)

[Mad Gambler]

I'm new here and was wondering if the spreadsheet could be updated to inclue 7 horses as I regularly get the quinella with 7 horses, but only on 2 or 3 races.


Mad Gambler

[Zlotti]

I'm new here and was wondering if the spreadsheet could be updated to inclue 7 horses as I regularly get the quinella with 7 horses, but only on 2 or 3 races.


Mad Gambler
Would that be in an 8 runner race leaving the favourite out?

I could do it but the market probably won't be conducive to it. I head off back to work for a month on Sunday but I will try to have a go before then. It should only take 26.5 hours at my current work rate.

[Zlotti]

Okay, so here it is....

Not sure what it will do for you though.

As a test, I picked a random race from today and came up with Townsville race 4

I then selected 7 horses at random and ran them through this spreadsheet.

Outlay $511 - Return $1693.60 Mmmmmm....

[good 4th]

Great work.

[dimboola]

Hi Everyone, thanks for the response. Chiller and zlotti , I would love to see what you both have. My email address, if you can't post it here, is yesmelb@email.com Thanks

[punter57]

Interesting read. In your first post Good 4th where do you get the line "cost to win $100= $46"? Can you please explain this. Thanks

[good 4th]

Good point...Cost to win

This is how much you have to invest to return $146.00
Cost = $46.00
Target to Win = $100.00
Included in the cost is saver bets.
So it wont mater which combo wins (so long as as they do ) you stand to return $146.00

You dutch your selections to cover each other and to also return a profit.

Look for a dutching program in this forum, add the odds together, put the odds in the program and see how much it will all cost verses the set return.

Look its all a bit of fun and if it worked all day every day i would'nt have to worry to much.
Its so hard to pick the winner let alone a quinnella. ( Quinns pay well )

The thing is, be creative with mixing things together in all sorts of weird ways and maybe it might work. ( Ive yet to find any commom thread )

[dingoboy]

I had a look at your spreadsheet, 10 hours, !
mate well done, i took about three weeks to try and build a dutch betting sheet for four runners, any loss would carry onto next bet and the programme would tell me what i needed to outlay to STILL return the old majic $100, still use it but one must understand it to use it, i wont post it cause it aint a shaddow of your work. I use it on a phone which flips out (wont mention names) LIKE a computer!, any way well done!
Cheers dingo

[dimboola]

Hi again everyone, To work out the approx div of a quinella instead of adding the prices you can do it this way, its not far off the mark. Whatever the winner pays for the win multiply it by 4. If the 2nd horse pays evens then thats the approx div.
examples
.Winner pays 6.00 2nd horse pays 2..a place. quin div approx 24.00
winner pays 6.00 2nd horse pays 1.50 place. quin div approx 12.00
winner pays 6.00 2nd horse pays 3.00 place quin div approx 48.00

[chiller]

Dimboola,
Sent that info. off to you on Thursday ( I think) and asked for a receipt for the email. Hadn't heard back, have you managed to check that email address
Chiller.

[BJ]

Hi again everyone, To work out the approx div of a quinella instead of adding the prices you can do it this way, its not far off the mark. Whatever the winner pays for the win multiply it by 4. If the 2nd horse pays evens then thats the approx div.
examples
.Winner pays 6.00 2nd horse pays 2..a place. quin div approx 24.00
winner pays 6.00 2nd horse pays 1.50 place. quin div approx 12.00
winner pays 6.00 2nd horse pays 3.00 place quin div approx 48.00

And if the 2nd horse doesn't pay evens? You have explained your first winner, how did you come up with 2 and 3?

[dimboola]

Check out some div from past races and you'll see the pattern. Its not 100%, but it gives approx. If the 2nd horse doesn't pay evens and pays $1.50 you halve the div. Winner pays 6.00, 2nd pays 2.00. approx quin ( mult by 4, 6x4) 24.00
winner pays 6.00 2nd pays 1.50. approx quin 12.00
winner pays 6.00 2nd pays 3.00 approx div 36.00

winner pays 10.00 2nd pays 2.00 approx div 40.00
winner pays 10.00 2nd pays 1.50 approx div 20.00
winner pays 10.00 2nd pays 3.00 approx div 80.00


check past results, you'll see a pattern. Happy punting