Lay of the Day

[Chuck]

Flemington 5-1 Dandy Kid

He is yet to run a place in SEVEN attempts at this course, the last being a 9 length last (16th) behind Tarn Princess. Can't see it getting close with 59.5 kilos on its back

[spyhunter]

is there any LAYs for today's races?

[Chuck]

Cranbourne 3-7 Hot Pink - Yet to race before, and lines up in this 1000m maiden out of Barrier 12. Not a deserving favourite in my opinion

Lets hope it doesn't win for your sake ;)

[spyhunter]

thanks my friend I hope so... ;)

[Chuck]

well it didn't win, did you lay it?

[spyhunter]

yes my friend, thanks a lot for the advice ;)

[Chuck]

Donald 2-3 Eleventh Command.... Only start was an ordinary 7th and comes in to this out of barrier 13 carrying 57 kilos. Not sure if it will start favourite, but it won't win

[spyhunter]

:) am here again, are there any lays you believe?

[spyhunter]

Donald 2-3 Eleventh Command.... Only start was an ordinary 7th and comes in to this out of barrier 13 carrying 57 kilos. Not sure if it will start favourite, but it won't win
are you sure?

[BJ]

Donald 2-3 Eleventh Command.... Only start was an ordinary 7th and comes in to this out of barrier 13 carrying 57 kilos. Not sure if it will start favourite, but it won't win


Seems alot of people disagreed with you... Haven't seen a betting plunge like that for a long time....

I can only hope that anybody that laid it, waited until the last minute and laid it for $3.5... Opened at about $10 on the books...
Didn't watch the race (ruddy Austar), but the caller called him gone.. Must have been a big effort to get up...

[spyhunter]

I laid at 4.70 :( and lost about 100 dolars, I am from Turkey, and so I didn't have a chance instead of believing you, I believed and I laid :(

[BJ]

At the end of the day, Chuck is just giving his opinion. If you choose to follow it then it is on you.

Nobody has a 100% strike rate.

The fact that it had been backed from 10 into 3.5 should have triggered something to at least ask the question, 'Should I go with Chuck and bet against this horse, or should I jump in the queue and back it with every other man and his dog...?'.

[spyhunter]

At the end of the day, Chuck is just giving his opinion. If you choose to follow it then it is on you.

Nobody has a 100% strike rate.

The fact that it had been backed from 10 into 3.5 should have triggered something to at least ask the question, 'Should I go with Chuck and bet against this horse, or should I jump in the queue and back it with every other man and his dog...?'.

many of the people backed the horse before 30 seconds ago, I laid it about 1 minute ago, and within seconds the odd of the horse fell down, I tried to cover, but the game was closed. so I waited for the result. and the result was tragic.

I am not accusing Chuck, of course it depends on me to believe or not, but something bad smells for my nose, because it was the LAY OF THE DAY, do you know the day man? there are 18races without Ouenbeyan. I have been betting to the races in Turkey for 9 years. so if you asked me the horses which ones should be laid in Turkey races, I would never give you a favourite horse as a pick!!! :mad:

still am not accusing Chuck...

[BJ]

many of the people backed the horse before 30 seconds ago, I laid it about 1 minute ago, and within seconds the odd of the horse fell down, I tried to cover, but the game was closed. so I waited for the result. and the result was tragic.

I am not accusing Chuck, of course it depends on me to believe or not, but something bad smells for my nose, because it was the LAY OF THE DAY, do you know the day man? there are 18races without Ouenbeyan. I have been betting to the races in Turkey for 9 years. so if you asked me the horses which ones should be laid in Turkey races, I would never give you a favourite horse as a pick!!! :mad:

still am not accusing Chuck...

The horse was still $7 on Betfair when the bookies had reduced it from $10 into $4. It was obviously backed for a stack, and these were the odds with about 5 minutes to go before the race. This information was on my computer, via the internet. Why didn't you know?

You got 1 persons opinion on his Lay of the Day. The shorter price for the horse, the better the tip. I will give you a tip. Lay any horse that is over 100 to 1. They hardly ever get up. I can guarantee you won't make any money though..

You are obviously on the internet, you have access to most of the information that we do.

You think that you are very good on the form in Turkey races, then why are you putting money on somebodys tip in a country that you have no idea about regarding horse form.

You trusted somebodys opinion, lost money. Get over it, move on.

[Macca]

spyhunter,

I feel for you buddy. I think BJ is wrong in this instance.
Those of us who have been around this site for a while would know to take a Chuck tip with a grain of salt. Not worth listening to. In fact you are probably better off doing the opposite. Chuck has done nothing wrong legally but morally he is wrong. To come on a public forum with such a certain "Lay of the Day" is irresponsible and is the reason that "tips" forums are a waste of time and very misleading. We will give Chuck the benefit of the doubt and assume he did not back the horse to win. However, to come up with that horse as the Lay of the Day out of all the horses that went around on the day....well??
The horse had only ever had one start and failed on a HEAVY track whereas today's race was on a GOOD track. The horse has an astute trainer as well. Therefore there had to be some considerable doubt as to its credentials for a Lay. The professionals backed the horse for a fortune whilst the mugs thought it was a LAY.
You may have lost money but you have learnt a very valuable lesson - do not take notice of any "tips" on this site or any other site. It is a waste of time and potentially a waste of money.
I will hear people say, "Oh but at least Chuck had a go". Wrong again! It is meaningless to tip on here because those that know will definately ignore the tip and those that don't know (like spyhunter) will probably lose their money.
It is a no win situation. "Tips" should be barred!!

[iamcool]

I really don't want to get too involved however i will say this:

I am sorry that you lost your money Spyhunter, but thats the downside to this sport. The only issue i have and in Chucks defence, Spyhunter did you not ask Chuck for a tip today?

Tommorrow is another day and with a bit of luck you will make all your money back again and plenty more i hope.
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[BJ]

spyhunter,

I feel for you buddy. I think BJ is wrong in this instance.
Those of us who have been around this site for a while would know to take a Chuck tip with a grain of salt. Not worth listening to. In fact you are probably better off doing the opposite. Chuck has done nothing wrong legally but morally he is wrong. To come on a public forum with such a certain "Lay of the Day" is irresponsible and is the reason that "tips" forums are a waste of time and very misleading. We will give Chuck the benefit of the doubt and assume he did not back the horse to win. However, to come up with that horse as the Lay of the Day out of all the horses that went around on the day....well??
The horse had only ever had one start and failed on a HEAVY track whereas today's race was on a GOOD track. The horse has an astute trainer as well. Therefore there had to be some considerable doubt as to its credentials for a Lay. The professionals backed the horse for a fortune whilst the mugs thought it was a LAY.
You may have lost money but you have learnt a very valuable lesson - do not take notice of any "tips" on this site or any other site. It is a waste of time and potentially a waste of money.
I will hear people say, "Oh but at least Chuck had a go". Wrong again! It is meaningless to tip on here because those that know will definately ignore the tip and those that don't know (like spyhunter) will probably lose their money.
It is a no win situation. "Tips" should be barred!!

What part of what I said did you disagree with exactly? Seems you claim for me to be wrong, yet backup what I said.

Spyhunter claims to have been doing well on the punt for nearly a decade in Turkey, yet doesn't have the intelligence to stay away from laying the biggest plunge of the day on a tip on a public forum.

This is a public forum where people post their opinions and ideas. Not a professional punters advice forum.

Some people have more money than sense.....

[maverick1993]

When you're in the industry you get Tips left right and centre..if i got chuffed at every tip that lost i'd be a nut case and these tips are from owners , strappers ,trainers ect..
Tips on these forums , in the paper , services or off the drunk down at the pub should all be taken with a grain of salt..
If i get a tip i just dont back it..i study the race ,, make my own decision..

Chuck not only listed his lay but explained why .. which i think is brilliant..

This is why i dont pay much attention to Williams or Xpt tips becauuse they are just listed...even though i think they do a great job..
But when Mr Ed or LuvsBet or Chuck list a tip and why ,,i always investigate it..

When tipping i think thats what you should do ..because sometimes you've pointed out something thats been overlooked by people ..noticed something in the horses last run or anything..

Eg..the other day a few good judges were on Grandway Shogun and explained why..i didnt rate it to win but because of these judges i had him in my Tris and 1st 4's..would of maybe missed it otherwise..

In the end its your money ..your decision..and ultimatly your fault if you back someones tip without forming your own opinion and doing the necessary study..

I'll be hypocritical here because the other day i got a tip from some one in the know that Shellshocked would win..he was very confident..i had the horse rated about 5th or 6th...it came in exactly that and i lost...the lesson is ...trust your own judgment .. sometimes you need this kind of kick in the butt to wake you up.. :)

[spyhunter]

again am saying that am not accusing Chuck, but I have given an advice.

To BJ;
yes am good at Turkey races, but my country's races are not in Betfair, so you don't have an option to lay. You can only bet exacta, trifecta and toteboard(the last 6 races' winners). so if our races would be in Betfair, and if you asked me which horse to be laid as a LAY OF THE DAY, I would not never ever give you a favourite horse and also never ever the odds as you told 100 to lay!!!!!

I'm accepting I lost money but it wasn't important for me too much, because I earn more than it. The only problem for me that LAY OF THE DAY!!!! it is a very very pretentious topic! so am new in this forum and I can not know who are good or not at tipping, but as I told LAY OF THE DAYYYYYYYYYYY, still am not accusing Chuck as I told, so YOU move on your way gay BJ!!!

[iamcool]

Spyhunter
Perhaps the best thing for you to do is follow the discussion on this site for a while until you get the hang of how things work. That way you can get a feel for what is going on, what makes sense and what to avoid.
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[BJ]

so YOU move on your way gay BJ!!!


Up yours spyhunter. If you knew about this forum you would realise that name calling is not appropriate...

Keep following tips on the forum, the more you lay, the more I win. It is people like you that make punting profitable for the rest of us....

[xanadu]

Fellas, fellas, fellas...

Cool it!......take it easy!.....sounds like a skank fight.
Now everybody put down their purses and talk to each other like real men.
I've enjoyed this like no other recent posts!

[Mr ed]

Spyhunter you certainly didn't think this topic was pretentious when Chucks lays were losing. And if you'll listen to what has been stated the horse was not favorite, or considered to start favorite at the time of Chucks tip, in fact the only time it became favorite was just before you layed it. If you cant handle losing, don't bet.

Chuck, i know its unlikely, but i think it would have been sensational if you lulled these sheep into a false sense of security with a couple of good lays, then hit them were it hurts when the time was right. Thats why people should never ever take a tip for the lay, especially if there is no or very little exposed form.

I admire you patriotism Spyhunter, you are clearly a Turkey.

[xptdriver]

Gday All

Ok I know i shouldnt buy into this ,,, BUT... Pinpointing the horse that Chuck did as a lay, to me does not seem unreasonable.. It has been said earlier ran a poor race on a heavy track at Ballarat.. It was beaten 9.7 lengths, had a better jockey on than it did at Donald (IMHO) and met much the same class of livestock, maybe the Bal race was a bit stronger.. where somebody came up with the trainer as being 'astute ' is obvioulsy a personal opinion, one that I don't happen to share.

As for nominating horse to lay, to me the shorter the lay price the better, so that would mean soft favs are the go for a layer.. It really doesnt matter if you lay to lose 500$ on a 1/1 shot or a 5/1 shot, if it wins you will still lose 500$, on the other hand if it loses the shorter the price the better the return to the layer..

As others have said no one needs to take any notice of what people post.. people can choose to take someone's opinion or not, totally up to them, BUT it is poor poor poor form, having taken the tip to bag the person tipping when it doesnt come off.. I know from personal experience I have steered people on this forum into many double figure winners, and I will tell u there are not many that acknowlege it when it happens (There ARE some tho), but there are plenty of knockers.. So the way I see it its pretty open and shut, either take the tip or don't... your call, but if you do and you are getting it for free STFU when it doesnt come off if you are not prepared to acknowlege the times IT DOES come off...

To the bloke who reckons Tips should be banned... If it worries you that much don't read em, Ignore them.. do us all a favour.. I dont believe for 1 minute that u care for the person who gets the dud tips,and does their hard earned so spare me that garbage... If you are too clever to take notice of tips you should be way ahead in your punting endeavours, and should never have a need to have a look at tips.. But leave the tipsters alone, you don't use them, it doesnt concern you.. Some people do find them useful, obviously you dont

[Mark]

A few people getting upset on spyhunter's behalf, and others having a go at him.

The man himself seems to have copped the loss & moved on.

[luv2bet]

Wow!!!! only just read this thread and will get my two bobs worth in.
For those that cant take a tip and then decide YOURSELF if it is worth your hardearned then bad luck, I for one (and the proof is on this forum) have been steered to many winners from the likes of Mav, Mr ed,chuck, Xpt and co. and these people that are sharing there knowledge (something some dont have obviously) should be commended.

Thats better..