picking the winner made easy

[odericko]

heres a simple little method i use bit hard to explain so just check out newzealand races 2 3 and 5 picked the winners race 4 came 2nd it works for dogs as well , but you must wait till the system gets a winner up before betting starts, to ****** easy really,

[BJ]

Wow, something I hadn't really though of before. Nice work, will put it straight into action.
WTF?

[odericko]

bj were you on qr 1 no 7...nr1 no7,....vr1 no7....vr2 no7...vr3 no11....cr1 no3lost

[BJ]

No I wasn't. I really have no clue as to what you are actually talking about. FYI, WTF stands for What The F---....

The title of the thread reads "picking the winner made easy". Well I have to argue with that, you have not explained shiit.....

At least try and explain what you are on about......

[Silver_and_sand]

Hi Odericko,

I don't see any connections with jockeys or trainers. No similarities in weights, barriers or ratings (that I can find anyway). Some of those selections haven't even raced before. Heck, they don't even start with the same letter...lol. The only connection I've found is that they are all either 2nd, 3rd or 4th favs and have prices ranging between $3 and $11.00.

Whatever your method, nice results. Keep it up, and good luck.

[odericko]

ok its really really easy got to wait til as close to the jump as u can unless the fav, is going to be obvious,then heres the easy bit u bet the one that is 10 dollars or lessthat is closest to the fav.ie qr 1 no 7 dogs are harder coz the pools are slow to update but if u can second guess the fav. your in

[odericko]

well may be i should change it to place heaps of places today

[Shaun]

Not knocking your idea....but if it was that easy every one would do it....i think you have had a lucky day....run that test over atleast 500 races and see how you come out

[odericko]

like i keep saying dont bet until what ever system you are using wins at least once then have a lash and heres the hard bit STOP at your first win

[mad]

ok its really really easy got to wait til as close to the jump as u can unless the fav, is going to be obvious,then heres the easy bit u bet the one that is 10 dollars or lessthat is closest to the fav.ie qr 1 no 7 dogs are harder coz the pools are slow to update but if u can second guess the fav. your in
So you're saying you back the second favourite (<$10).
Hope it holds up for ya, but me thinks not.

[odericko]

no not the second fav. cant you see the obvious i said as close to the junp as u can for example race 1 at sunshine coast fav was no 9 but no 7 was the nearest number to the fav 10 dollars or less it was a double special bet because it was directly next to 9 ,,if there were 2 picks then its a no bet...im not the best at describing this but it has nothing to do with second favs.any similaraties are coincidental

[Sportz]

So, in other words, let's say the favourite is number 5. Then you would simply look at the closest numbers (4 & 6). If just one of those runners is under $10, then that's the selection. If both of them are, then no selection. And if neither of them are, then you go onto numbers 3 & 7.

Okay, so let's look at an example:

1 $8.50
2 $12.90
3 $2.90
4 $16.20
5 $15.00
6 $6.30
7 $21.10
8 $4.70

I'm assuming number 1 would be the selection?

[odericko]

yes it would but because its not right next to the fav ,at that price i might place bet it seems the safer way to go

[Sportz]

I have to say there doesn't appear to be any real logic behind that plan. That doesn't mean that it can't work though. It's got about as much logic as that inside/outside barriers idea I outlined in 'The Outsider' thread and it does okay.

[Shaun]

I can see only one logical point this...if a horse is fave it is because everyone thinks it has the best chance to win....by chooseing a horse close to the fav in weight we are saying that the handicapper knows what he is doing....the under $10 rules says that it is not a complete donkey

[Oaksnaf]

And if number 1 is favourite? What happens then.

[BJ]

I think I just lost 20 points from my iq.....

[harry_boodes]

Or the bottom weight is fav?

So far today, 3 races.......2 x 2nds @ 1.40 & 1.70
And if number 1 is favourite? What happens then.

[crash]

I've never read such convoluted, illogical garbage in my life. My god this forum has gone to the dogs since I've been away and yes,there is still some smart cookies left here and you know who you are, but for how long will you remain? Of the long term forum folks who knew anything about punting here, they have gone to either [that other] or another site or left completely [hello Umrum and other past long term contributors?]. It's become an IQ race to the bottom here with Basil from Faulty Towers taking up punting and boy, has he got a system for you !!!

What a ****** joke [at least the advertisers here will be happy with the median IQ levels starting to display themselves. They should be doing well, because in the end, that's what this forum is all about: $$$ :-) ].

[Oaksnaf]

Nothing wrong with the dogs though Crash. I had my times with them, and still do to a certain extent.

[odericko]

well crash you but crack just got home from work logged on vr 8 no 3 for the place to easier than your dumbass system

[Shaun]

Crash....you always fail to understand that the only way to realy find a winner is to try something new......now i agree this system seams complete rubbish on the surface but when you look deep inside and read my comments earlier it does have some merit.....now i am not saying it would win long term.....or be another loser system but i admire odericko for trying something different.

[Top Rank]

Crash,

Thanks for the laugh, nothing funnier than giving someone a good sledging, it is the aussie way.
But I fear for your health. I think that you might be best adopting my principle, if you think it is crap, keep it to yourself. Someone will come up something worthwhile to comment on, and everything is worth a read at least once.

Good Punting

[Silver_and_sand]

If others have had success by considering things other than form (eg. Kenchar, and I don't think we would say his IQ is lacking), then why rush to beat up on Odericko. There's nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box. Different things will work for different people. In the end Odericko's idea will either work or it won't, but there's no need to suggest he's mentally deficient.

By the way Crash, you might want to check your signature. Sinatra just has the one 'r' in it.

[mad]

According to my calculations, based on todays racing at Scone, Toowoomba and Warracknabeal this system produced a loss of $100 or 1 unit.

My understanding of the system is to pick the closest TAB number to the favourite and the selection must be under $10. Where their are two selections under $10 i chose the smaller of the two.

[mad]

Half a unit or $50 down after Darwin, place betting.

[odericko]

i made it only 2 in darwin race 2 no 9 and race5 no 6 they were the only 2 selections according to my system

[mad]

So what is the difference between Darwin race 5 and race 4?

Why is their a selection in race 5 and not in 4, 3 or 1?

[whiteycat2005]

If you read the rules which are very simple it is easy.

Race 1 3 was fav 2 and 4 were under $10 but the same distance from 3 so no bet.

Race 2 10 was fav and 9 was the closest to it, so a bet.

Race 3 4 was fav and 3 and 5 were under $10 but the same distance from 4 so no bet.

Race 4 5 was fav and 4 and 6 were under $10 but the same distance from 5 so no bet.

Race 5 4 was fav and 6 was the nearest under $10 so a bet.

Now that was easy wasn't it.

[mad]

Oh goodie, just what the forum needs another, patronising know-all.

Yes it was thank you. My sincerest apologies for having the audacity to ask for clarification. Thank the Lord we have members such as yourself to help out.

Certainly a mistake i won't make again, apologies again, very sorry.

[whiteycat2005]

Oh my goodness !!!!!!

Now thats naughty naughty, I was only explaining something very simple.

[w924]

I'll agree that some methods and rules touted here may seem illogical, but that hardly seems any cause to "crash and burn" a contributor.

the method that this person is writing about actually uses one of your methods doesnt it? (..prepost prices)

A forum is all about exchanging ideas isn't it?.... it is not supposed to be a battlefield, or an ego fest...

if we keep that in mind perhaps some of the former contributors will return...

FYI Umrum was here a day or so ago..

[crash]

w924, Using PP odds doesn't make a system. Does having a hammer and nails guarantee you'll end up with something you can call a house ?

My lambasting of this system in this thread wasn't directed at the writer specifically, but was just an exclamation about what is being passed off as a 'system' in this forum lately.There was a time when system rules in this forum weren't vague, but concise and easily understood. They even made sense !!

Cheers and I hope everyone makes some $$$ today, whatever wacky ideas you use.

[BJ]

Crash: I will start off by the usual, and disagree with you. Of course you can base a system around using the PP prices. However, to quote a famous comedian Chris Rock, "You can drive a car with your feet if you want to. But that doesn't make it a good f****** idea."

Anybody can come up with a system, but the whole point is not to come up with a system, but come up with a winning system.

Now I will agree with you Crash, just for something different. This thread is garbage, and making anybody who reads it that little bit dumber.

There is no logical way that this could give you an edge. And if by some strange anomoly the past history of this actually shows a profit, there is no reason to suggest it would continue.

I only hope for the posters sake that they lose immediately as opposed to in 6 months time. You are going to waste your money, I would rather you didn't waste your time as well......

[whiteycat2005]

Hi Guys,

When I stopped looking at this silly stupid method today (very early in the day I should say) it was about 25 points in profit.
I reckon you should have bet that real serious method the no brainer 11, WOW what a great day that had.

Bye now ....

[Oaksnaf]

Ahh we are all a happy bunch this week. Maybe a fair amount of Geelong supporters after that late Nick Davies goal. Who knows. But I dont care. Swans won the final and Chris Judd is a gun!

[Oaksnaf]

Oh! wasn't that lovely those gorgeous swanees won, it was so exciting.

I just wish though that they would back to wearing those spunkie little shorts that Warwick used to wear. They were yummeee !
Female mud wrestling? Who said that?

Yeh Cappa, we had a bloke who lived next door that was a Warwick replica. Golden bloke but the hair! the shorts! All so funny.

[mad]

Here is a breakdown of the results from all races today, for further clarification now that whiteycat was good enough to enlighten me, in fact us all, with her recent comments.

BR: + $110
SR: - $130
MR: + $30
QR: - $80
OR: -$300
NR: - $260
VR: $0
AR: - $540
PR: - $220
ZR: - $20
ER: - $180* ER8 to go (76)
75 Bets*
T/O: $7500
For a grand total: -$1590 based on single unit $100 place bets.
Loss on T/O: -21.20%

[odericko]

the idea is to stop when in front which you would have been had you looked at newzealand zr 2 i make that up 6 units

[odericko]

oh yes and further to that mayb a stop loss as well ,,just in case.....

[mad]

ZR 2 Jaws $8.80 $2.50
6 units??????

[Oaksnaf]

oh yes and further to that mayb a stop loss as well ,,just in case.....
?? that doesn't make sense. Start at win, stop at first loss? I think there is evidence here to conclude that the system is mostly all talk and no show. Mad has done a good job and provided evidence but there is a lot of side stepping here. Maybe your *genious friend* just has clouds of luck hanging over his head. Maybe he doesn't exist. I dont know, and im sure not a lot of others know. But ther is not enough factual evidence here to suggest you are winning. All you have is stories of past results without reason, and at a loss you state to stop betting after a loss. Maybe im too blind to understand the full content of your posts. But i can tell, factual, from dreamland.

Perhaps its not real after all.

[odericko]

sorry yes you r right if betting for the win spend a unit, and win 8 units i think that makes up seven units

[mad]

ER8 was a loss.

76 bets
T/O $7600
Return: -$1690
Loss on T/O: -22.24%

Switching to your win only strategy, stopping after your first win.
Number of bets in brackets.
BR: $380 (2)
SR: $740 (1)
MR: -$160 (6)
QR: -$80 (4)
OR: -$300 (3)
NR: -$700 (7)
VR: $810 (1)
AR: -$700 (7)
PR: -$500 (5)
ZR: $780 (1)
ER: -$800 (8)

45 Bets
T/O $4500
Return: -$530
Loss on T/O: -11.78%

[odericko]

i dont think i am understood and i dont know how to make it clear what i actualy do so im out of this thread,,,,,,,,crash is right it will lose i cant possibly stay in front..lol lol

[mad]

I think you have missed the point whiteycat. You would be $300 in front in Sydney backing all the selections for the win. If you read the basis for the calculations properly you will see one of two things:

1. The first set calculations are compiled using place dividends only, as stipulated by odericko i.e it is used as a place system.
2. The win calculations state that you STOP betting after you have your first win. Therefore you would not have wagered after the first race in Sydney and as a result you would not include the Regal Cheer dividend.

Perhaps you should take the time to firstly clarify the rules of the system. Alternatively you can make them up as you go along and/or after the races have been run. It is very easy to backfit systems to produce the results you require. The hard part is stating what the rules are TODAY so that it will produce results TOMMORROW.

As a result none of the calculations take into consideration win only betting on ALL races run today. However if you feel up to it perhaps you could do that yourself and post your results. Either way me thinks this system loses overall, today and in the longterm - Only time will tell.

However if you are having trouble with that, here's what you do. Mortgage your house, take that sum of money, using this system you should be able to double or triple it in no time and pay back the bank. Then you could live comfartably on your winnings all the while laughing at the rest of us. It's that easy, just don't forget to drop me a line to say how you're getting on every once in a while.

[whiteycat2005]

Mr Mad
Here's my dissecting.
Sydney +3
Brisbane +6.8
Mornington - .6
Gold coast + 3.4
Newcastle -7
Seymour +6.1
Morphetville +.7
Belmont -6
Toowoomba -8
NZ +13.4

Which when I went to school is a profit of 11.8 or in your language $1180.
This is using unitab divs which I'm sure could be improved on.

Either I don't understand the method or you don't, but I know which way I lean to.

Bydey Bye

Mr Mad,
We must have been posting at the same time, see what you mean, and that makes it easy Race 2 NZ $8.8 STOP in your langauge $780 profit.
Your Turn.

[mad]

I don't know where you got Morphetville +.7 from.

Win only on all races
AR 1: No bet
AR2: Demondo - Loss
AR3: Loutonne - Loss
AR4: Opinion Poll - Loss
AR5: Fraclasse - Loss
AR6: Snipify - Loss
AR7: Daneforce - Loss
AR8: Dollydeva - Loss

Now in my school they taught me, rightly or wrongly i dunno, that 7 races at $100 per race = $700. Now try and keep up, since none of these selections won you have to s-u-b-t-r-a-c-t these losses and not include them no matter how much you want to. I'm sorry about that but i didn't make the rules.

[mad]

Gold Coast

5 losses = -$500
2 wins, profit $220 + $510 = $730
1 no bet
Total: $730 - 500 = $230

So now we have your original figure: $1180
Subtract incorrect Morphetville $70
Subtract actual Morphetville $700
Subtract incorrect Gold Coast $100

New result = $1180 - $870 = $310

[whiteycat2005]

Hidy,

You caught me out in Morphettville, I was a silly billy as I included Royal Alliance as a result in R7....

As far as Mornington.

You agree there was 6 bets.
You agree there was 1 result of 5.4.
Hang I'll just get my calc out
&*^%$$#*(&^%$#@!
Now my calc tells me that comes to -.6
I think that's what I posted, but I could be wrong 'cause I was very distracted when I was doing it.

This is fun.

I took Gold Coast r5 to be no bet, as there is a horsey either side which are both under $10.

[mad]

Yep Mornington was my mistake, apologies. I deleted it.
Furthermore with 82 races in total, this would require a betting turnover of some $8200.
Now, we gettin technical again 310/8200 = 3.78% profit on turnover.
Not as grand as it once was.

[mad]

QR5 Monaseeci - Loss

[mad]

Oh Ok,

You want me to not include that one....

$410 - that better?

[mad]

Actually, truth be told some of your other calculations are also wrong.

So if i was to guesstimate, that profit figure would be closer to one thousand.
If we were to also include the No bet situations we would probably have a situation something like:

Profit: $850
T/O: $7000
Profit on turnover: 12% for today

Let me try that again, not $850
Maybe $500 so perhaps 7-8%

[marcus25]

heres a simple little method i use bit hard to explain

It probably would be even harder to explain why your method works only on QTab?
On Tabcorp (VIC) you would have entirely different selections.

But hope you win anyway!

[whiteycat2005]

Todays Results.
Going by ( I think ) the rules that were originally posted.

First result was Hobart R2.
Then we start to bet.
4 losing bets.
Win Dubbo R1 no 10 $7.8 ( unitab )
Out 5
In 7.8
Profit 2.8
It should have been more as Dubbo R1 was put back because of ambulance problems and the losing bets wouldn't have been placed.

Bye Now

[mad]

This method does not work. Plain and Simple.

I applaud your thinking Odericko but blind, deaf and dumb freddy could tell ya it does not work. The telling factor for you in all this whiteycat is your persistent rule changing and accidental errors (oops) to suit the point you are trying to make.

Based on the rules you wanted yesterday, using all races, the real results for today are as follows:

Total races today: 72
Total wins today: 6
Total collect from wins: $2910
Total outlay: $7200
Loss: $4290

As i said yesterday whitey, mortgage your house and use the money to set yourself up for life if you're are so convinced.

[whiteycat2005]

Mad,

No I will not mortgage my house to run this method, as I do quite well with my own method thank you, and have been for a few years now.
All have been trying to do is give the guy a go and look at what he posted instead of blasting the hell out of him before even looking at it.
There are many methods that might sound crazy but work.
All I can say is using HIS rules it has been a profit daily.
As far as the rules we both obviously interpretate them different as today I came up with with 56 bets for a return of 41.3 showing a loss of 14.7 NOT 42.9.
BUT using his rules it was a profit.
I tried to put a bit of humour into the thread but was not appreciated by management.
The other thing it is not possible to look at results and come up with the exact result on the day ( win some lose some ) because of the major change in prices at the death.
I have been looking at the 2 minute mark which would allow enough time to search for odds and get the bet on.
Now today I log a loss of 14.7 yet I read posts on this forum where people talk of having runs of 25 outs????????
You have to remember there is more than 1 way to skin a cat ( no pun intended )

[mad]

They are all fair points whiteycat. I might add that i have taken this suggestion at face value and not blasted odericko for trying something new.

But here is my final word on the subject. Based simply on the rules of selection, using the results of todays racing their were only six winners. As for the profit figure of 41.3 units me thinks your wacky mathematics have been at it again. Yesterday using the various additional rules such as stopping after your first winner this system was not in profit, it was a loss. Now after the results are in you want to switch back to another method because it works for you today. Yesterday we had to consider all races, today only the ones that won, which is it? This type of analysis is inconsistent, inaccurate and as such is not a true reflection of the systems performance - plain and simple.

Below are the results of todays racing:

SR1: $680
SR2: $430
SR3: $390
ER7: $830
QR6: $280
FR2: $300
Total: $2910

If as you suggest there were only 56 bets today.
$5600 - $2910 = $2690 Loss
I would love to hear where you got the $4130 figure from. No matter how much you admire odericko, the numbers do not lie.

[whiteycat2005]

Hi Mad,

I agree this has gone on long enough, and we are never gonna agree, maybe some kind soul on the forum could mediate and check the results, but here is what I get checking the results.

Dubbo R1 7.8____ R2 5.3____ R3 4.9

S/Coast R6 3.8

M/Bridge R4 6.2

Hobart R2 4.0

Coleraine R7 9.3

7.8 + 5.3 +4.9 +3.8 +6.2 +4.0 +9.3 Hang on just get the calc out again.
!@#$%^&*()_+!@##$$%^&*()_+!@#$%^&*()_+!@#$%^&*()_
!@#$%^&^%$%^&^%@#$&*()__^%$#@&**()))))^%$#@

Sorry it took so long but the batteries are low.

Equals 41.3

As far as odericko I have no affiliation or admiration for him, just trying to give him a break.

I just get tired of the purists that want to knock or try to ridicule people that post on here and other forums because they think outside the square.

As agreed gone on long enough but I will try to monitor this for the next week using the rules as I understand them. ( as long as it doesn't interfere with my betting which is my living )
I will wait for the first winner before placing a bet.

I will stop betting when a profit is struck (hopefully).

Keep Well

[mad]

Oke Doke, been fun whiteycat. Take care, good luck and i'll look forward to arguing with you again in the future perhaps.

P.S I missed AR4 but don't tell anyone.

P.P.S You can't include the first win of the day under this system as you wouldn't have been on it, either SR1 or FR2.

[crash]

So we will be seeing not only my 'dumb****' selection on the board before they jump next Sat. [3 out of 4 winning Saturdays and about 90% POT. definitely a real dumb system] but your smart**** horsey selections too whiteycat2005 ? ...and the selections of any other knockers with egos needing a boost, we'll see your selection too early next Sat. will we ? Yeah, sure we will :-)

'Put-up or shut-up' I think is the correct Ozzie term I'm looking for.

[whiteycat2005]

......the little method went ok today.
No more posts on the method until I have run it for a week.
I am running it live not from past results.

To be very clear here are the rules I am using which I believe are the original ones posted, or if I'm wrong these are the rules I am going to use.

Start at first race of the day.

Go race to race state to state as they come up.

No bet until the first winner is struck, then bet each and every race in order until a profit ( hopefully ) is struck.

It will be a no bet day if only two meetings.

All the best.

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[KennyVictor]

So we will be seeing not only my 'dumb****' selection on the board before they jump next Sat. [3 out of 4 winning Saturdays and about 90% POT. definitely a real dumb system] but your smart**** horsey selections too whiteycat2005 ? ...and the selections of any other knockers with egos needing a boost, we'll see your selection too early next Sat. will we ? Yeah, sure we will :-)

'Put-up or shut-up' I think is the correct Ozzie term I'm looking for.

and from another thread:

That's why it's called a Mug's game.

You seem very bitter and twisted nowadays Crash (Although commenting on the personalities and moods of members could make me politically incorrect I suppose). As I troll through the threads I see a lot of negative stuff from you. Is it something we've said? Are you having a loosing streak? Come on you can tell us, you know you want to.

KV

[crash]

Quote: 'and from another thread:' End quote.
Do you want to come over and go through my garbage too ?

Yeah, that was a real 'positive' post from you Kenny [is that an example of the sort of posts I should be writing?].

This is a forum for those who want to wack up or wack down ideas in cyberspace and most of us all do both. Some people however only open their beak to sling personal mud because they just haven't anything else to say [or do?]. What are you, a psychiatrist sniffing around my old posts looking for dirt? It's all a bit tacky don't you think?

Get a life mate [or at least take a holiday].

[Truckie]

What a lot of confusion. In any other system I've seen over the years, start after the first winner means there would never be a bet on Race 1 anywhere, and after that each state would require a winner, then a bet, and if a winner STOP, but OK to continue at another venue. Could this have been the original idea?

[KennyVictor]

Some people however only open their beak to sling personal mud because they just haven't anything else to say [or do?].

But what I think we all like best about you is the positive way you react to a little light criticism. LOL

Have a nice day,

KV

[odericko]

i know i said iwas out of this thread but up 7 units today gota love it

[mad]

Yeah but monopoly money doesn't count.

[whiteycat2005]

Mr Mad,

Here is the last 6 days, I can't do today as I will be partying.

Monday 26/9
First result Tatura R3 No7 $8.3
Start betting
First bet P/Macquarie R2 No7 $4.6 (IAS fixed $5.5)
Profit 3.6 Stop betting 1 bet.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tuesday 27/9
First result Kembla R5 No2 $8.7
Start betting.
First bet Moe R7 No2 $4.4.
Profit 3.4 Stop betting 1 bet.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wednsday 28/9
First result Brisbane R1 No3 $5.7
Start betting.
9 outs so minus 9
Result Bris R3 No5 $3.9
Now minus 6.1
Result Melb R3 No2 $$4.9 ( IAS SP $5.1 )
Now minus 2.2.
4 outs
Now minus 6.2
Result Melb R4 No2 $2.4 ( IAS FIXED $2.8)
Now minus 4.8
1 out
Now minus 5.8
Result Syd R4 No 2 $9.0 (IAS SP $9.6 )
Profit 2.2 Stop betting. 18 bets
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thursday 29/9
First result NZ R8 No2 $5.2
Start betting
First bet Gosford R3 No9 $7.5
Profit 6.5 Stop betting. 1 bet.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Friday 30/9
First result Tamworth R6 No4 $5.2
Start betting
6 outs
Minus 6 Result Moruya R8 No1 $4.5 (IAS fixed $5)
Now minus 2.5
1 out last race
Loss on day 3.5. 8 bets.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Saturday 1/10
First result NZ R6 No10 $4.1
Start betting
1 out
Minus 1
Result NZ R7 No4 $8.9
Profit 6.9 Stop betting. 2 bets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So using your $100 bets around $2000 for six days depending on where you shop to bet.

Like I previously said I wouldn't mortgage my house to do it, but it's as good as a couple of other methods being bandied around at the moment ( and no silent rules), and I don't think Odericko deserved the sledging he got when he first posted it, after all isn't that what this forum is all about to share ideas no matter how dumb they might seem.

If I posted what I do and how simple it is certain people would be rolling around on the floor laughing, and calling me an idiot, but it has held up for a very long time.

Can't wait to watch the footy game.:rolleyes:


All the best.

[mad]

Well at this rate you won't have to mortgage the house, you can probably start your own bank on Park Lane with two get out of jail free cards and a hotel on Mayfair to watch the footy.

Does this system ever fail, even have a bad day, me thinks not.

Party on Whitey.

[Bhagwan]

Thankyou for your input Odericko on your novell approach.

I`m sorry you had to bare the brunt of slings & arrows for sharing something for nothing , but dont forget , they nailed a certain chap up on a cross for doing something he beleived in also.


The plan seems to produce some interesting results .

I tested it over 7 consecetive days but I modified the rules slightly as to when to bet.

I feel one would have to have approx. 3 lots of 150 bets to conclude if this plan has legs or not , but so far , so very good.

RULES I USED
Target the 2 horse either side of the TAB Favs No.
e.g. No.5 Fav. Target Nos. 4 & 6.
If only one of these two is $10.00 & less , it is a selection.
If both are $10.00 & less OR both are $10.10 & more,we ignore those 2 & we now look at the next group of 2 & apply the same rules.

If the Fav happens to be right at the top of TAB Nos. , we go down the list of Nos. until we find the first single horse we come to ,thats $10.00 or less.

We do not commence betting, until a selection gets up at a particular venue before we start betting at that particular venue.
Once we strike the 2nd winner at that venue (which is our first betting winner) , regardless if in profit or not , we STOP at that venue .

We do the same thing for all the other venues , so if a venue fails to produce a winner , we would not have placed a bet at that venue.
We run the venues independently to one another.
In effect we are hoping to cash in on the 2nd winning selection the plan producers , for that venue.
Each venue is run independently of one another.

Sometimes there wont be a group of 2 Nos. to work with , so one continues useing the available single Nos. until we find a selection that is $10.00 or less.
e.g.
1-4.00
2-10.2
3- Fav
4-10.1
5-5.00
6-10.10
7-8.80-----------This would end up being the selection because non of the groups qualified & we were left to work with single TAB Nos.

Over the 7 days testing it showed a healthy profit.
The damage was minimal on the days that didnt show a profit .
It was rare that a 2nd selection didnt get up at a particular venue once the first one got up.

Some divs were $8.80,7.60,8.80,8.90,5.20,3.40,9.20.5.60,3.30,3.90,6.70,2.40

There were a number of venues that did not produce a winning selection on the day , but that`s OK because we would not commence betting until the 1st selection got up anyway.

Check it out on your own past results & share ones findings.

Cheers.

[mad]

I`m sorry you had to bare the brunt of slings & arrows for sharing something for nothing , but dont forget , they nailed a certain chap up on a cross for doing something he beleived in also.


Are you F'in kidding me Bhagwan. Let me get this straight, you are comparing odericko to Jesus Christ. I don't care in what manner, how directly or indirectly. Jesus Christ no less. I think this is quite possibly the most outrageous comment i have ever heard. Just when i thought i had heard it all.

Good stuff Bhagwan, keep up the Lords work.
Amen.

[baco60]

Mad,Foolish,Crazy,Barmy,Nutty,Round the bend.
What more can I say.

[Bhagwan]

Dear Mr. Mad ,
May I suggest that it is your good self only ,that is making that comparison .
I dont recall any mention of individuals.

Read into it what you want.

May Beelzebub bless you... nanue ..nanue

[odericko]

right this is my absolute last posting on this abhorent system, here i sit drunk as a **** bcause my silly system supplied me with enuff jingles 2 play with and w2ell what can i say cept 4 baggiesa idea aint 2 bad either

[lomaca]

RE. Selecting winners ....
Could someone please tell me the significance, or reason for not starting to bet until a winner comes up in the particular meeting?
Thank's

[Truckie]

Why wait for a winner? Ancient history, but in my youth I had a system which was really backing the 2 highest horses of the total of the paper tipsters, if both could be backed to win a profit. BUT, had to wait till one of the top 2 won, and there were many days, when they wouldn't pick a winner in up to 6 races . Of course there were not too many bets,(because of the short priced favourites), but it saved a lot of losses. Bhagwan passed similar comments.

[Silver_and_sand]

Quiet day today for me so thought I’d see how this method went.
Using Bhagwan’s approach, here’s how I saw it:

Ballina: +0.40units
R1 #1 W, consider this track hereafter.
R2 #3 2nd; R3 #12 NP; R4 #11 NP; R5 #2 3rd; R6 none; R7 #1 W $5.40

Eagle Farm:
Never considered this track as no qualifier won to kick things off.

Kyneton: -7.0 units
R1 #2 wins, consider this track hereafter.
R2 #8 NP; R3 #3 NP; R4 #3 2nd; R5 #3 NP; R6 #2 NP; R7 #5 NP; R8 #4 NP

Victoria Park: +3.50units
R1 #7 W, consider this track hereafter.
R2 #6 NP; R3 #3 2nd; R4 #10 W $6.50

Warwick Farm:
Never considered this track as no qualifier won to kick things off.

Result: -3.10units

Looking back over the last week, Bhagwan’s approach to this method resulted in a 29.2 unit profit (as far as I can tell). There were 5 winning days with wins of 14.3, 7.3, 7.0, 6.1 and 0.2units, while there were 2 losing days that saw loses of 2.6 and 3.0 units.

I thing I suspect would be a problem with betting this method live is that as it relies upon tote prices which are constantly changing, it may be difficult to single out the correct qualifier in time before the jump, especially if the late money finds a new favourite with just a few seconds before the jump. For instance, I noticed at least 3 times today that if you would have bet the qualifier with about 20 seconds before the jump, you would have backed the wrong horse due to the price fluctations. To get around this maybe one could resolve to back the qualifier at a certain amount of time before the jump (eg. exactly 2 minutes or 1 minute before jump maybe), or maybe just use pre-post prices or fixed odds instead. Or maybe if the prices are so close that there is no clear qualifier within a reasonable amount of time before the jump, then perhaps that race should be avoided. I have no idea if any of these ideas would help or not, but just a thought.

[crash]

Interesting reading Silver_and_sand.

I think you have hit the nail on the head though with a lot [not all though] starting price based selection systems. Apart from accurately testing the thing by looking at past results, there is the problem of rapidly changing odds too close to the jump to put an accurate system bet on [you have to make a guess] and If the system requires more than one bet your really stuffed.

Your 'looking back over the last week' tally would have been a bit of a guess too as there is no way you would know the the dying moments race odds just before the jump. I doubt the closing prices really would reflect the actual bets put on a minute or two before the jump in a lot of races.

Set prices might at least allow punters to see exactly what merit the system has. The only other alternative is to check it out using PP prices but that would change the system as it's relying on the betting public to find true favoritism order. That's only possible [practically] by not betting and noting the selections from the final prices at the jump [usually after the jump], or a lot of guessing. So when I see system selection claims based on SP from the end of the day I go ...'Yeah, right', because mostly the actual selections would often have been different in the real world of putting money down on an actual bet.

[whiteycat2005]

All the results I posted were done live, not from results.

Sunday I don't know, as I was partying.
Yesterday was a winning day.

Today was a winning day

So thats so far 7 winning days out of 8.

Using Odericks method.

Night Night.

[crash]

Cat,

I was talking about results for SP systems in general [der] and not specifically this threads system results, so don't get a swelled head there Cat. Your results are not the only ones in this thread.
I was refering to an example of results from the previous page to make my point about back-fitting results that often get posted for these SP reliant type of systems. These race results weren't actually followed [obviously] but based on SP results only:

Silver_and_sand wrote:
......."Looking back over the last week, Bhagwan’s approach to this method resulted in a 29.2 unit profit (as far as I can tell). There were 5 winning days with wins of 14.3, 7.3, 7.0, 6.1 and 0.2units, while there were 2 losing days that saw loses of 2.6 and 3.0 units"..............

By-the-by Cat, you still haven't let me know where you hide your PP selection you claim you make every day [?]. I can find no thread with your name on it anywhere.

[crash]

From page one.This is the system:

"u bet the one that is 10 dollars or lessthat is closest to the fav. "

Your results Cat just don't add up to that system, or you have been very selective with your results [?].

[whiteycat2005]

Mr Crash,
1/ You keep insisting that I posted that I had a p/post method and you keep asking for my selections.
I don't remember posting this anywhere, but if I did could you please direct me to that post so I can read it myself.
The only mention I think I have made of my betting method is that if I if I posted it people like you would roll on the floor laughing, and that it has held up for a very long time.
2/ You say the results I posted on Oderick's method don't add up or that I am making them up somehow.
Again can you please direct me to which result doesn't add up.

Have nice evening.

[mad]

Easy there whiteycat,

Are you suggesting you have been 100% accurate in your portrayal of the actual results of this method, in all areas, at all times?

Not picking a fight, just asking the question.

[Dale]

Gee whizziger this thread is a mess.

I like Shaun can see the merit in this system.

Shaun mentioned that the system picks well fancied horses on a similar weight to the favorite,i'll add the obvious that they are also at better odds.

If your like me and think that picking the nearest tab number is illogical and all this starting after a win and stopping after a win crap is ridiculous,forget those bits of the sytem and try this on for size




***Of the horses who's pre post prices are less than $8 pick the one who's weight is closest to the pre post favorite.

If more than one horse select the highest pre post price.



Of course you only operate on handicaps.


I think the above will more or less nail the same winners that Oderick is claiming and cut down on all the confusion.

Today using Wyong,Cranbourne and Ipswich you would have had 26 bets for 6 wins returning $37.90.

[crash]

Cat,

Quote: [from my no brainer thread] "As you saw from the results I posted which I did live everyday, 5 winning days out of 6 and a profit of about 20 units."

Well if you are posting results every day for 5 days I had assumed you were refereeing to you own system, but perhaps not[?] If you were talking about the system here, you have my [sincere] apologies.

Still, I can't follow the profits mentioned for this system unless the rules have been changed or they mean something else completely.

The next horse under $10 to the favorite is the 2nd. favorite. That's why the results just don't add up. Is there a hidden meaning in this simple system [a silent rule perhaps]?

Cheers and good punting.
.

[whiteycat2005]

Mr Crash,

I give up, this has gone on and on and you still don't understand the method.

Have a nice day.

[Dale]

Crash wrote-"[a silent rule perhaps]?"

Try reading the thread properly,there is no mystery here other than your inability to not read important parts of a thread.

[crash]

I'm not wading through 10 pages of drivel.
If betting on the next horse to the favorite that is under $10 doesn't mean betting on the second fav., why not explain what exactly it does mean Cat/Dale [anybody?].

If it is so simple and obvious please state it. Sounds like a lot less effort than all this precious moaning.

[TWOBETS]

They mean next number. e.g. if favorite is number 4 then you look at numbers 3 and 5. ( This system has some merit imho ).

[Dale]

I'm not wading through 10 pages of drivel.
.


A large portion of those 10 pages of drivel you talk about was created because you failed to understand the rule,sure Oderick didnt explain himself properly but inbetween your posts the rule was explained clearly.

I got a feeling you know that but as others have mentioned you have a hard time admitting you made a mistake.

[whiteycat2005]

I'm not wading through 10 pages of drivel.
If betting on the next horse to the favorite that is under $10 doesn't mean betting on the second fav., why not explain what exactly it does mean Cat/Dale [anybody?].

If it is so simple and obvious please state it. Sounds like a lot less effort than all this precious moaning.
Mr Crash,
Sportz hit the nail on the head on post No12 in this thread, now it wasn't that hard for anyone of reasonable intelligence to pick it up,
I really think your main problem is you don't read a thread properly or you are losing your marbles through old age and don't realise it.

Have a nice evening.

[crash]

Cat, I think my wife would agree with you there [loosing marbles].... "are you on that stupid forum again dear? You must be losing your marbles ' :-)


Twobets: "They mean next number. e.g. if favorite is number 4 then you look at numbers 3 and 5."

Thanks Twobets. The word 'number" was never mention in the original rules, just the 'next horse' after the favorite. Perhaps a bit of understandable English [as above] in the original rules to start with wouldn't have gone astray.

[marcus25]

Once we strike the 2nd winner at that venue (which is our first betting winner) , regardless if in profit or not , we STOP at that venue .
Hi Bhagwan!
The above makes sense to me.


We do not commence betting, until a selection gets up at a particular venue before we start betting at that particular venue.
But this rule I just do not get!
I am sure there is a good reason for it, can you please tell me what it is?

Cheers.

[Bhagwan]

Hi Marcus,
Thanks for you query,

The reason I suggest waiting for the first winner at that venue to get up ,was from the observation ,that when one had got up enverible another followed at that meeting.
This helped the other observation that a number of meetings did not strike any winners at all ..
e.g. there could be 3 of the 10 meetings on a Sat that does not produce a result within those 8 bets X 3=24 outs , to make up.

SO

By waiting for a first system winner to get up first before we start betting at that venue we are hoping to cash in on the next selection winner thus reducing the number of bets on the day & reducing the risk factor.

This of course wont help us if only one selection gets up at that venue for the day , but my observation was that this was rare & when it did occure , the damage was minimal.