Refined harness racing

[Oaksnaf]

Well the other harness thread is turning into a little bit of a mess, so best to clear it up.

Now after some greatly appreciated suggestions and tips, i have been able to refine the system. Only pre-race odds between $3-$5 will be accepted as a selection.

If there is a horse lower than $3 which comes up as a selection then the race is excluded even if there is a selection between $3-$5

Rules: Must hvae won last start
Must have placed/won second last start
Between $3-$5 pre-race odds.

Here are results since 16/9/05 and im only backing them to win.

DATE Where Horse Place Returns
16/09/2005 Harold Park1 Kyalla Ess Ess unplaced
16/09/2005 MV4 Gooroc Gun 1st $2.60
16/09/2005 MV5 Ok Windermere unplaced
16/09/2005 MV7 Hi Ho Fitz 1st $3.00
18/09/2005 Bendigo5 Rasputin Lombo 1st $5.40
22/09/2005 Mooney Valley2 City Lane 2nd
22/09/2005 Mooney valley4 Miss Kellie 1st $10.50
23/09/2005 Harold Park3 Miss Alberta 1st $3.20
23/09/2005 Harold park4 Dominator Stride unplaced
23/09/2005 Harold Park8 Concorde 3rd
24/09/2005 Cranbourne6 Cullombo 2nd
24/09/2005 Albion Park2 Master Mittens 2nd
24/09/2005 Albion Park5 Dream Royale 1st $7.50
24/09/2005 Albion Park6 Battlers Prince 3rd
24/09/2005 Newcastle7 George Jetson 2nd
24/09/2005 Globe Derby4 Equity Jeb 1st $7.40
24/09/2005 Globe Derby5 Black Venom 1st $2.50
24/09/2005 Globe Derby7 Casey's Best unplaced
25/09/2005 Geelong8 Purple Passion unplaced
26/09/2005 Horsham7 Expensive Halter unplaced
27/09/2005 Albion Park9 Whiskyontherocks 1st $2.90
27/09/2005 Bendigo3 Figment unplaced
27/09/2005 Bendigo6 Cantafend 1st $6.90
28/09/2005 Mildura9 Lelepa 2nd
29/09/2005 Sheperton5 Albert Bird 2nd
30/09/2005 Yarra Valley7 Cam Rouge 1st $2.80
30/09/2005 Harold Park3 Miss Alberta unplaced
30/09/2005 Harold Park4 Hexus unplaced
30/09/2005 Harold Park7 Sunrise Bay 2nd
30/09/2005 MV4 Miss Kellie unplaced
30/09/2005 MV6 Robin Hood 1st $2.10
30/09/2005 MV7 Gooroc Gun 3rd


There are a few little tweaks and fixes to come. But im sticking with this for now, its more effecient.

[Chrome Prince]

Some constructive comments:

1. Beware of refining the system too soon. i.e. too little data. What looks better now may not be the real picture after a few hundred bets.

2. Be cautious when your filter is price retrospectively with the trots. The pools are small and volatile, therefore what might have been $12.00 with a minute to go might be $5.00 at the jump, and you'll miss out.
Vice versa, what might be $3.10 might tumble into $2.20 or blow out to $6.00 and therfore you're betting on something you didn't intend on.

Very hard to assess the final stable price on trots, from the guy who tried it ;)

[Oaksnaf]

Im just talking about the odds that are given in the paper in the morning. IF the odds shorten or blow out it doesn't affect the selection, as if they are between $3-$5 in the morning paper then thats that.

Well it has been refined after 162 races which was a fair whack. Im still of course keeping tab on those selections under/over the $3-$5 mark just to see what eventuates.

Thanks for the comments though. Much appreciated.

Today's tips:

Geelong:
Race 5) #2
Race 6) #12
Race 8) #7

Albion Park:
Race 3) #2
Race 4) #3
Race 6) #1
Race 7) #1
Race 8) #6

Newcastle:
Race 5) #10
Race 6) #7
Race 7) #10
Race 9) #2

Globe Derby:
Race 2) #7
Race 4) #10
Race 6) #8

A whoping 15 selections.

Best Bets:

Geelong Race 6) #12
Albion park Race 3) #2
Albion park Race 7) #1
Globe Derby Race 2) #7

[Chrome Prince]

Im just talking about the odds that are given in the paper in the morning. IF the odds shorten or blow out it doesn't affect the selection, as if they are between $3-$5 in the morning paper then thats that.

Well it has been refined after 162 races which was a fair whack. Im still of course keeping tab on those selections under/over the $3-$5 mark just to see what eventuates.

Thanks for the comments though. Much appreciated.


Fair enough, the newspaper prices will suffice, I thought you were refining from TAB prices.

Good idea, still keep records and see how it fares.

Good luck.

[Oaksnaf]

Yesterday's results:

1/10/2005 Geelong 5 By The Palms 2nd $1.50
1/10/2005 Geelong 6 Albee unplaced
1/10/2005 Geelong8 Jilliby Jordan 2nd $1.90
1/10/2005 Albion park3 Da Ji Opal 2nd $2.10
1/10/2005 Albion Park4 Whats the Question 2nd $1.90
1/10/2005 Albion Park6 Wholet Thegirlsout 1st $1.80 $1.60
1/10/2005 Albion Park7 Cecil Roy 2nd $1.60
1/10/2005 Albion Park8 Nickys Falcon 3rd $2.10
1/10/2005 Newcastle5 The Pentagon unplaced
1/10/2005 Newcastle6 Maradona 2nd $1.30
1/10/2005 Newcastle7 Terralong 2nd $2.10
1/10/2005 Newcastle9 Khans Tiger 1st $2.10 $1.60
1/10/2005 Globe Derby2 Just Another Hero unplaced
1/10/2005 Globe Derby4 Ohoka Teri 2nd $1.60
1/10/2005 Globe Derby6 Equity Jeb 1st $5.20 $1.60

I had 8 second placings, 8! Ahh frustration to the max.

Today's tips:

Terang:
Race 3) #4
Race 5) #3

[Chrome Prince]

Yesterday's results:

1/10/2005 Geelong 5 By The Palms 2nd $1.50
1/10/2005 Geelong 6 Albee unplaced
1/10/2005 Geelong8 Jilliby Jordan 2nd $1.90
1/10/2005 Albion park3 Da Ji Opal 2nd $2.10
1/10/2005 Albion Park4 Whats the Question 2nd $1.90
1/10/2005 Albion Park6 Wholet Thegirlsout 1st $1.80 $1.60
1/10/2005 Albion Park7 Cecil Roy 2nd $1.60
1/10/2005 Albion Park8 Nickys Falcon 3rd $2.10
1/10/2005 Newcastle5 The Pentagon unplaced
1/10/2005 Newcastle6 Maradona 2nd $1.30
1/10/2005 Newcastle7 Terralong 2nd $2.10
1/10/2005 Newcastle9 Khans Tiger 1st $2.10 $1.60
1/10/2005 Globe Derby2 Just Another Hero unplaced
1/10/2005 Globe Derby4 Ohoka Teri 2nd $1.60
1/10/2005 Globe Derby6 Equity Jeb 1st $5.20 $1.60

I had 8 second placings, 8! Ahh frustration to the max.

Today's tips:

Terang:
Race 3) #4
Race 5) #3

Oaksnaf, yes frusting it can be, but take heart in that you're usually thereabouts.
I find it really strange that there are no forums really dedicated to harness betting. There are forums that just post harness news, but no real discussion and no tips.

Anyhow, interesting to note that my two specials were in your tips:

1/10/2005 Albion Park6 Wholet Thegirlsout 1st $1.80 $1.60
1/10/2005 Albion Park7 Cecil Roy 2nd $1.60

Seems some sytems select the same horses for different reasons.

Happy Half-Carting ;)

[Oaksnaf]

Todays results:

2/10/2005 Terang3 Jacob Dee 1st $2.90 $1.30
2/10/2005 Terang5 Kaboda unplaced


Total:
Races: 49
Winners: 16
Placings (include winners): 35

Based on $1
Winning return: 68.8
Placing return: 58.4

So its plodding along quite nicely actually for such a simple system.

[Oaksnaf]

Only one race today at Maryborough:
Race 8) #5

[Oaksnaf]

Only one race today at Maryborough:
Race 8) #5
was unplaced.

But yes it is odd but totaly understandable that 95% of the discussions are aimed at the gallops, but i would have thought on the official harness racing site they would have a free forum open to the public.

[Oaksnaf]

Hey Chrome ive been recording each race results from the paper odds in the morning, and what the winner of the race was at on the form odds.

its early days, but ive done 55 races so far: Ill want to get to 200-500 before i get a valuable result.


FAV 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Over 5th Total
Winners 28 10 6 7 4 55

FAV
$52.24
2nd
$41.60
3rd
$34.40
4th
$76.40
5th
$48.60

Based on $1 investment.

So it seems, no matter what the field size a large % of winners come from the top 5 pre-race odds (paper form odds).

And the largest pre-race odd winner was at $11 so far. But plenty of races to go, and im sure that will change.

[Oaksnaf]

Ahh finally got the computer back. Not a lot of selections in the past few days, only 3 to be exact, with one winner $1.60, $1.30. And one third, $1.60

[Chrome Prince]

Wondered where you've been, welcome back Oaksnaf.

[Oaksnaf]

Todays Bets:

Shep 6) #3
Shep 7) #8

Harold Park 6) #4

[Oaksnaf]

Today's Races:

M.V:
Race 4) #3
Race 5) #3

Albion Park:
Race 3) #6
Race 4) #7
Race 6) #3

Newcastle:
Race 1) #9
Race 3) #6

Globe Derby:
Race 1) #6
Race 4) #7

Yesterdays results were all unplaced.

[Oaksnaf]

Today's Races:

M.V:
Race 4) #3
Race 5) #3

Albion Park:
Race 3) #6
Race 4) #7
Race 6) #3

Newcastle:
Race 1) #9
Race 3) #6

Globe Derby:
Race 1) #6
Race 4) #7

Yesterdays results were all unplaced.
Results
M.V
Race 4) #3 1st $3.80, $1.40
Race 5) #3 unplaced

Albion Park

Race 3) #6 2nd $1.20
Race 4) #7 1st $3.80, $1.60
Race 6) #3 unplaced

Newcastle
Race 1) #9 2nd $1.30
Race 3) #6 unplaced

Globe Derby
Race 1) #6 unplaced
Race 4) #7 unplaced

Selections: 9
Winners: 2
Places: 4
Win outlay: $9
Win return: $7.60

Well only a slight loss yesterday.

There are no tips today at Bendigo

[Oaksnaf]

One race today:

Stawell:

Race 3) #8

[Oaksnaf]

One race today:

Stawell:

Race 3) #8
Unplaced

[Oaksnaf]

Only one race today:

Geelong Race 8) #2 Pocket Fantasy

[Oaksnaf]

Only one race today:

Geelong Race 8) #2 Pocket Fantasy
Unplaced

[Oaksnaf]

No selections for the system today.

[Oaksnaf]

Well ive layed out the easy to follow system. And having a ball with it tonight so far, with only a few more races to go.

3 winners from 7 selections so far tonight @ 11.00, 3.20, 2.00 with:
Ballarat 7) #3
Albion Park 10) #8
Newcastle 9) #5
Globe Derby 6) #7
Globe Derby 7) #8

still to go.

[Oaksnaf]

There were 4 selections today:
Kilmore:
R2) #2 unplaced
R4) #12 2nd $2.30
R7) #10 1st $2.40, $1.30
R9) #5 1st $1.90, $1.50

Selections: 4
Winners: 2
Places: 3

Layout: $8 ($1 EW)
Return: $9.40

Still. Slow and Steady wins the race.

[Oaksnaf]

Two races today:
Bendigo:
R2) #4
R5) #9

(something extra R4) #11 R8) #10,11)

[wesmip1]

Oaksnaf,

Have you got the total results from this system to date ? Is it in profit ?

Thanks

[Oaksnaf]

Oaksnaf,

Have you got the total results from this system to date ? Is it in profit ?

Thanks
2/2 today at $2.20 and $3.00 for the win.

And yes it is in profit overall. I dont have overall results at the moment, still having troubles with transfering files.

But yes the system is in profit. I know its easy to just say this, but if you look at the results from the start of the thread, its there to see that it is in profit.

[Oaksnaf]

TOday at Mildura:
R3) #9
R7) #3
R8) #8

[Oaksnaf]

From 6 selections, it gave me 2 winners priced $30.40 and $17.20

Now ive been having a little bit on the side with this system of late. Its pretty simple. The harness must be the only one in the race resuming from a spell.

This with the current system provides about 3-5 selections per meeting.

There is still one more first up to go, in Race 8) #7 alongside the system top #8. SO will be interesting to see how they perform.

But since the 1st of October, the first up system has also been winning. So thumbs up so far.

[Oaksnaf]

System results:

Mildura: R3) #9 3rd $1.90
Race 7) #3 1st $3.70
Race 8) #8 2nd $1.30

And well the first up horse in the last... #7 won $20.60 and $3.90 for the place

Thats a$30.40 / $17.20 / $20.60 winners for the harness tonight. My best ever day on the harness thats for sure.

O well. Bring on tommorow.

[Oaksnaf]

Only the one today:

Geelong Race 5) #4

[Stix]

G'day Oak

Thought I might have a dabble..... :rolleyes:

Geelong
R2-2 Spirit Of The Sea $2.20 (7,9,4,8 for multis)
R4-2 Maydaymaydaymayday $4.00 (2,6,8,12 for multis)

Good Luck People :D

[tailwag]

G'day Oak

Thought I might have a dabble..... :rolleyes:

Geelong
R2-2 Spirit Of The Sea $2.20 (7,9,4,8 for multis)
R4-2 Maydaymaydaymayday $4.00 (2,6,8,12 for multis)

Good Luck People :DYou got the first one up :-)

Tailwag

[TESTAROSSA]

Had a bit of luck on the pacers during the past week, thought i would post a some selections for some of tomorrows meetings and see if the forum curse can strike again.

Bulli:

R1 (8) SWIFT CARGO (10,9,2)

R2 (3) BRAVE DEAL (9,10,1)

R3 (2) CO OPERATOR (3,8,6)

R4 (1) NIDYA (6,8,5)

R5 (5) BROTHER MOON (6,1,2)

R6 (2) BARON SEA (3,7,4)

R7 (7) LONGSHOREMAN (5,4,8)

R8 (5) GIPSY KING (6,2,4)

Maryborough:

R1 (7) MOSQUITO BYE BYE (8,9,4)

R2 (5) DANCE TO VICTORY (8,2,7)

R3 (10) LILS DREAM (7,6,9)

R4 (11) THE BLACK GEM (7,1,4)

R5 (9) OUR SERENA (11,5,4)

R6 (2) SPORTSPOWER (10,7,3)

R7 (7) DONTFENCEMEIN (13,11,6)

R8 (3) TIBUR POWER (1,2,9)

Globe Derby:

R1 (8) GEECODE (7,4,3)

R2 (5) SCENIC SAGA (6,3,2)

R3 (8) SWAFFHAM BULBECK (4,1,6)

R4 (3) THE WINGED ONE (4,7,5)

R5 (7) MAKA MILLION LOMBO (8,6,3)

R6 (8) MADEMM (9,7,6)

R7 (7) DIAMONDS FOR EVER (2,3,6)

R8 (4) OUR MONSIEUR (5,8,3)

Cheers.

[Oaksnaf]

Well went to Sydney for a holiday, and hope to come back and continue the same form as what i left with. no selections today though.

[tailwag]

Well went to Sydney for a holiday, and hope to come back and continue the same form as what i left with. no selections today though.How about It Is I to win the big one :-)

Tailwag

[manygeese]

Anybody know where you can lists of driving premierships for harness racing. Can't seem to google anything of the sort up. Thanks if you do.

[tailwag]

Anybody know where you can lists of driving premierships for harness racing. Can't seem to google anything of the sort up. Thanks if you do.
Everything about every driver in the world, enjoy: http://www.harness.org.au/ahrc/annual/public/drivers.htm

Tailwag (woof)

[crash]

I'd love to see anyone who can post pre-post selections and make a profit on these chariot races with their [mostly] minuscule pools!

[wesmip1]

crash,

I make a very good profit out of harness racing.

Harness racing is actually very easy to make money from. Much easier than greyhounds and horse racing.

and no I don't intend to share how its done. But its very simple and anyone who spends a couple of days checking results would easily be able to work it out.

Also there was a forum (and its been posted on here) around that put up prepost selections and he did very well making a profi most years. So just becasue you can't do it don't say it can't be done when there are probably quite a few people making a nice income off it.

Good Luck.

[wesmip1]

ok found the forum...

http://www.insiderail.com/forum

If the link above gets removed (which is shouldn't as this person had an agreement with management I believe) just do a search for harness racing and you will find the thread on here.

Good Luck.

[crash]

crash,

I make a very good profit out of harness racing.

Harness racing is actually very easy to make money from. Much easier than greyhounds and horse racing.

and no I don't intend to share how its done. But its very simple and anyone who spends a couple of days checking results would easily be able to work it out.

Also there was a forum (and its been posted on here) around that put up prepost selections and he did very well making a profi most years. So just becasue you can't do it don't say it can't be done when there are probably quite a few people making a nice income off it.

Good Luck.

I didn't say it can't be done. I said I'd like to see it being done. If there a quite a few punters doing so well out of it, there should be plenty of links or a forum / Tips etc. on it [?]

[Stix]

I'd love to see anyone who can post pre-post selections and make a profit on these chariot races with their [mostly] minuscule pools!"June Summary........
102 Bets outlay $204.00
25 wins
34 places
return $286.70
profit $ 82.70

Year to date $ 60.80 http://www.insiderail.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif profit

For those who dont know this is based on a $1 each way basis on Unitab"

And he keeps doing it year after year..... they used to be posted on the Horse Racing Forum.... obviously you never took any notice Crash....

[crash]

A year ago, I had no interest. Lately though I have been having a bit of a dabble on the chariots for fun, as I've been sick of all the wet horseracing tracks.

Thanks for the info Stix.

[a4brianp]

Welcome to join Crash there is a small charge to keep site ad free and abuse free thats all.You can win on harness just takes time to digest all involved.

Loved putting tips on this site and apreciated managements permission to do so and still visit this site regualary.
cheers
barney

[crash]

Thanks Barney, but the name of the site is ?

[a4brianp]

www.insiderail.com/forum sorry crash thought you knew cheers

Barney

[crash]

Well I had profitable night on the Chariots last night. Beginner's luck?

[a4brianp]

Well I had profitable night on the Chariots last night. Beginner's luck?

No been like that for quite awhile now must be due for a joe coker (hope not)
before long

[Stix]

Well I had profitable night on the Chariots last night. Beginner's luck?........sceptics luck http://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[crash]

My 2nd good day. Globe Derby this time.

LADY SMALL TIME 5.20
DR DRE 3.30
CELESTIAL VISION 2.60

From 6 bets.