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Real Deal
27th October 2005, 11:31 AM
He has been very unlucky in drawing barrier 14 out of 14 for Saturdays Breeders cup classic on the dirt. Odds have severly drifted according to the major betting agencies. Saratoga have you got any more info?
saratoga samchaz
27th October 2005, 11:45 AM
Hey Real, i don't as of this minute. i just started really checking into these races, but i am really surprised that Makin chose the Classic. This might be a good sign though. Terrible post!!!!!! At Belmont, the 1 1/4 mile races on the Dirt start about 3/4 of the way on the Clubhouse Turn making the race a one and 3/4 turn race as opposed to two turns. The Belmont oval is the largest in the United States and is known as "Big Sandy". I have to check all the past BC's held at Belmont but I do remember that UNBRIDLED won this race here from the same outside post after all the talk was about how hard it was to win from there on this course. The truth is, that pp can lose a horse a hell of a lot of ground, but it looks like STARCRAFT is more of a closer type since going to Europe. In our form it looks like he was a more on the pace runner, but after their mistakes with ALINGHI, I hardly trust them. I thought he was a HUGE chance of winning the mile. I don't know about the first on the dirt and in North America. I hope he likes the mud also. It has been raining for almost all of October on the North East coast here. The DRF.COM site has video replays of alot of the prep races for the BC for FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chrome Prince
27th October 2005, 10:37 PM
The owners gotta be absolutely joking.
He's outlaid $1 MILLION to run Starcraft in a $6 MILLION race.
The horse is drawn the extreme outside on a dirt track surface which Starcaft has never raced on.
Fair Dinkum some people have more money....
saratoga samchaz
28th October 2005, 12:29 AM
Man, Chrome, I'm just sitting here wantin to wring paul Makin's neck! At least give the horse a chance in the MILE. Cumani wanted to go in the MILE, but what does a trainer know? LOL! Damn shame. Although the Supplemental fee is directly proportionate to the purse value so that's neither here nor there, except that it's a terrible spot for STARCRAFT. Does have Pat Valenzuela riding(the MUCH troubled California top rider, who has won this Classic before). If this guy had kept his head straight, he would have been the best of all time. He likes his fun though.
Raw Instinct
28th October 2005, 05:32 AM
I was actually hoping they would take that young french bloke with them to ride Starcraft was really impressed the way he hadnled the horse because he isn't the easiest horse to handle. I love what Makin has done sending the horse over to the states most other owners would have snet him straight to stud after winning in europe I beleive he is headed there after the Breeders Cup race though. I guess if your going to go you may aswell go for all the bikkies and not just half hearted he won't have any trouble with the 2000m now I don't think and the wet track won't worry him him however the dirt maybe a different proposition, but you never know if you never ever go.
All I can say is I have loved this horse since the 1st time I saw him race I always thought he was the best horse racing in Australia last year and if not for injuries that may have been proven right. I will say thank you Paul Makin for letting the world see this wonderful horse and fingers crossed he can deliver once again in his swansong the barrier won't be a help but they aren't the be all and end all.
saratoga samchaz
29th October 2005, 02:23 AM
Right you are about the post postitons and Makin's sportsmanship, but the smart play was the MILE> Hey, I would love to see STARCRAFT win. Everybody here would be patting me on the back as I've been talking up Aussie racing for a few months now and they look at me like I'm nuts. Makin deserves this win if he gets it. I don't think it's gonna be wet at all either as the rain has finally stopped and the wind is blowing pretty good. Fast dirt probably and good to firm turf with some give in it. Think Starcraft will like the dirt that much, REAL? Why?
saratoga samchaz
29th October 2005, 02:23 AM
Raw!
Raw Instinct
29th October 2005, 06:14 AM
The Dirt is the only thing that worries me he has never raced on it though he races as if he might race well on it these days not sure though.
Starcraft
29th October 2005, 07:45 PM
7:35am Sunday Qld time on SKY channel. Go get them, tiger!!!
dundas lane
30th October 2005, 12:31 AM
Rock Hard Ten has been scratched from the Breeders Cup Classic, leaving Starcraft third in the market, (around 11/2), behind Saint Liam and Borrego. Makes his task easier, but he'll still have to run the race of his life to figure in the finish.
Don't think the Australian racing media have fully appreciated what this horse has achieved since leaving our shores. If he wins, that makes it 6 Group 1's in 5 different countries, at distances from 1400-2400 metres; Outstanding!
Go Big Fella !!!!
dundas Lane ...........
Raw Instinct
30th October 2005, 03:09 AM
Dundas
I couldn't agree more he was a horse who was either loved or hated over here and I think it had more to do with Makin than anything else, Now if this was Elvstroem doing this you would see it almost everywhere if it was Makybe Diva doing it, it would be plastered all over everything I mean hell look at how much attention there was just to whether she would run in the cup.
I remember the 1st time I saw this horse he had me right away the big gangly chestnut with socks he raced so erratically and yet was still to good for most he came against. Not to bash Gary Newham to much here but if someone with the profile of Luca Cumani had trained him here in Australia he would have been given alot better chances to have succeeded and most likely would have taken home the Cox Plate last year.
If he wins this race tomorrow for me it would be the biggest thing ever in racing the QEII bought a tear to my eye that is how much I loved this horse here in what will be his swansong I hope he just gets a chance to show the americans how good he is because quite honestly at his top he was the best mile-mile and a quarter horse in Australia IMO.
Raw Instinct
30th October 2005, 07:30 AM
Well about 10 minutes before the race Starcraft heading out onto the track and he looks fantastic very settled I have never seen him look better all I can say is Go Big Fella make us all proud.
Raw Instinct
30th October 2005, 07:47 AM
I don't think he handled the track he really struggled getting around the turn wasn't to bad of a run he moved up like he was going to really make a contest out of it but the turn really seemed to knock the wind out of him.
Real Deal
30th October 2005, 07:49 AM
looked like he was really coming into it on the turn but then went missing down the straight. Disappointing, should have stuck to grass!
maverick1993
30th October 2005, 07:53 AM
tried hard the big fella...big ask for him with that prep..did us proud.
Raw Instinct
30th October 2005, 07:54 AM
Yea your probably right with the run Gorella put in in the Mile race you would have thought he would have been a major show there either way this horse has given me some great thrills watching him now he gets to head to the paddock and enjoy his next life.
Chrome Prince
30th October 2005, 11:13 PM
The horse did his best, but everything was against him, barrier track distance.
Owner just lost a lot of money - very poor investment.
Raw Instinct
31st October 2005, 07:18 AM
Chrome I remember hearing an interview with Makin that he doesn't care much about the money because he has plenty of it it was more about the Prestige well I guess the smarter option was the mile don't be surprised if the horse now lines up in Hong Kong.
Starcraft
31st October 2005, 01:13 PM
I was sitting in the Treasury Casino at 7:30am Sunday morning. 2 monitors on with no sound, the place was like deserted. Great to see him standing up beside such good looking horses - could have imagined him being american. Not disappointed with the result, heard about that Hong Kong start in November, will be watching again!
I still love you Starcraft!
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