tvn austar

[topsy99]

it doesnt look good for this outcome. with the TAB up for grabs this year and court cases pending on sydney racing locking out sky channel I think we can give up on getting racing back onto austar.
if things go as they are the racing industry is staring at a drop of 12% in its payout from the tote
looks like an own goal to me.

[davez]

heres hoping all involved die slow horrible deaths, they deserve nothing less.

[darkydog2002]

Probably best to just develop computerized horse racing and do away with the "live " industry all together.

Will this be the future of the industry in this country ?

darky.

[davez]

texas holdem will lay waste to a large chunk of the racing industry in this country darkydog.

btw that we can only play poker online via overseas websites is another example of the lunacy of current govt. gambling policies, all that cash lining the pockets of the yanks etc.

[topsy99]

i only participate in racing for the interest. i certainly dont make money or need to make money out of it.
but i do work in a service industry that has always believed that customers are "gold". it really fires me up to see what the racing industry and tabcorp and the governments are allowing to happen to the customers and the industry. sydney racing management has always left something to be desired but i am surprised that victoria got involved.
the item i was quoting is on the gambling aid website and written on 11/2/06 also an item was published in the australian and also smh on the issue.

i said last week that i am prepared to cancel my austar membership over it and go back to the radio and the more i read on it the angrier i get.

on another matter. great effort by craig newett this weekend. seems to be something special.

[siam]

Funny you should mention texas holdem. I joined up only last week. I've never had an interest in poker, but racing was so boring during December and January I wanted to try something different.

[puntersteve]

Yeah topsy99 a great long weekend for Craig! Particularly good effort today with a treble. Showed great judgement to win on Browneyed Boy then even better ride to take out the Hobart Cup with True Courser.

[a4brianp]

To my mind the big loser in the so called war is Victorian racing which basicaly gets no coverage except on Tvn and thats not available outside metro area.I believe they are cuting down on the number of races at a meeting from march to save money whats next prize money i guess.T he sport i follow harness racing seems to be fairly healthy with good coverage.
As for tvn went to watch a horse we have interest in last sunday at Kyneton and the coverage is very average no better than Skys if anything worse, as they tend to folow the winner past the post and you are left wondering where your horse finished to you see a replay.

[Imagele]

To my mind the big loser in the so called war is Victorian racing which basicaly gets no coverage except on Tvn and thats not available outside metro area.I believe they are cuting down on the number of races at a meeting from march to save money whats next prize money i guess.T he sport i follow harness racing seems to be fairly healthy with good coverage.
As for tvn went to watch a horse we have interest in last sunday at Kyneton and the coverage is very average no better than Skys if anything worse, as they tend to folow the winner past the post and you are left wondering where your horse finished to you see a replay.
Cutting down on the number of races would be a good thing.
Then the 12 year olds and hosts of other cart horses going around can be retired.
The discerning punter may then have a better chance of making sense of the form.
More depth of quality in the fields makes for better value.

[La Mer]

texas holdem will lay waste to a large chunk of the racing industry in this country darkydog.

btw that we can only play poker online via overseas websites is another example of the lunacy of current govt. gambling policies, all that cash lining the pockets of the yanks etc.

More like the poms than the yanks davez, the largest of the on-line poker sites is Gibraltar based, UK owned.

[La Mer]

it doesnt look good for this outcome. with the TAB up for grabs this year and court cases pending on sydney racing locking out sky channel I think we can give up on getting racing back onto austar.
if things go as they are the racing industry is staring at a drop of 12% in its payout from the tote looks like an own goal to me.

topys99, think you'll find that the tab's are only under review with a view to going out to tender at some later stage. the current operators have licences to 2012.

[a4brianp]

Cutting down on the number of races would be a good thing.
Then the 12 year olds and hosts of other cart horses going around can be retired.
The discerning punter may then have a better chance of making sense of the form.
More depth of quality in the fields makes for better value.

Not if you are an owner of a horse im not sure many 12 yolds going around at tab meetings. Finding it hard to find a race for a mare who has won 2 country cups and by cutting races arent going to make it any easier.

[La Mer]

texas holdem will lay waste to a large chunk of the racing industry in this country darkydog. btw that we can only play poker online via overseas websites is another example of the lunacy of current govt. gambling policies, all that cash lining the pockets of the yanks etc.

Not so sure that texas holdem will do as you state davez. There was an article in one of the newspapers recently & it stated that online poker is the most corrupt of all the online gambling available.

The fact is that those humans that particiapate could be playing against a table full of bot (robots) which have the capacity to work out millions of calcuations in a second or so giving the human little chance of winning.

There are programs such as WinHoldEm that are capable of playing at five tables at the one time making as much as $275 per hour for their operators. It's possible for instance for a human to be playing against five bots all operated by the one user.

If that's the case then many people would soon tire of getting ripped off by a computer & look elsewhere for their gambling experience.

[Ade]

What is the difference between TVN and SKY Racing?

[davez]

sounds like winholdem is not a viable tool on many sites with account closures & balance forfeitures if detected.

anyway i have probably overstated my feelings about pokers affect on the racing industry (whenever the sky/tvn issue comes up i instantly see red). however there is no doubt that online poker is growing at phenomenal rate & many young (& probably old) potential punters are & will see it as a more accessible & enjoyable gambling option.

but of course racing doesnt need to be concerned with other industries causing it grief, it is managing to do that to itself quite nicely when one considers the market saturation, sydneys demise, & the sky/tvn fiasco & god knows what else.

[topsy99]

austar has a contract to show only sky channel.
tvn (thoroughvision) wont sell their product (vic racing and sydney racing) to sky so as a result austar viewers cant watch sky.

tvn think that sky dont pay enough for the racing product so went on their own.

eventually it will lead to a drop in turnover at the t.a.b. and then consequentially a drop in distribution and a drop in prizemoney.

[Ade]

You can not watch Melbourne/Sydney races on Sky Channel? Is this true?

What about big events such as Australia Cup? Golden Slipper? Melbourne Cup? Can you at least watch these meetings on Sky Channel?

[Imagele]

Not if you are an owner of a horse im not sure many 12 yolds going around at tab meetings. Finding it hard to find a race for a mare who has won 2 country cups and by cutting races arent going to make it any easier.

12 year old Mighty Way went around at Colac Sunday at his 2nd run back since a 1115 day spell.
A disgrace as far as I'm concerned and does not do much for the image of racing.
Worse still, around $100-00 was invested on the horse for a win, and it was only around 16/1 for the place.
In an earlier life this grand old horse had won $300,000-00 and should be enjoying retirement.
Surely there is a great chance that a horse of this age could severely break down or drop dead in a field with dire consequences.

[Chuck]

You can not watch Melbourne/Sydney races on Sky Channel? Is this true?

What about big events such as Australia Cup? Golden Slipper? Melbourne Cup? Can you at least watch these meetings on Sky Channel?


yes its true

these are all on free to air

[topsy99]

while i'm whinging about sky/austar. i have been trying to find out the cricket score as i not long ago finished work and the tea break was on so tv wasnt any help.
so i turned to the internet the best i could find was 4 hours ago on the google news. but lo and behold 123india.com has a ball by ball scorecard that updates all the time.

things sure are tough around here.

[Ade]

yes its true

these are all on free to air
That sucks :(

[Raw Instinct]

Topsy I will make the cricket score easy for you it is over.

[davez]

You can not watch Melbourne/Sydney races on Sky Channel? Is this true?

not exactly - you cannot watch ALL Victorian & Sydney Metro racing on sky.

welcome to the 21st century - pack of ****ing clowns the lot of em

[topsy99]

to raw instinct.


who won?

it's sure hard to get a score around here.

[Raw Instinct]

In case you don't know the Aussies destroyed them

[topsy99]

thanks for that raw instinct.

i did know but what i was trying to say is that in an information world it is very difficult to get information.
for instance we know the difficulty of the tvn/tabcorp issue and with the cricket the internet for all its greatness you look at the google news on your pc and the cricket hasnt been updated for 4 hours.
the tv was having a news and childrens show break and i couldnt find out anywhere what the scores were so i went looking for it and found it in india of all places with a ball by ball website.

obviously with racing and cricket etc information is power and we are not particularly well served.
but i will learn to give these things up one day and it then it wont bother me . thanks for your interest.

[moony]

here is a promising article i just come across:




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Racing broadcast wars over soon

Long suffering country and regional racing fans will soon be able to watch TVN on the Austar platform, well at least thats the 'late mail' coming from the last round of talks between the warring parties- TVN and Sky.

The broadcast split, which has dragged on since May last year, revolved around who could broadcast racing, from where and to whom. Sydney and Victorian racing has been unavailable to Austar subscribers due to an exclusive deal it had previously signed with Sky channel. And with Sky appearing to go out of its way to ensure its new rival, the industry set up and owned TVN failed, there was no end in sight for Austar and regional viewers.

But with Sky's master Tabcorp forecasting a further drop in earnings (EPS) from 5% down to 2-4%, and with the TVN aligned clubs squealing in the background over costs and the drop in revenue, a compromise was needed.

The main points are...

Sky wants to broadcast to the Pubs and Clubs combining the TVN signal with its own.

TVN would then be available to Austar home viewers. Split signal to continue for homes. TVN continue its sole focus on thoroughbreds and 'new media' opportunities. eg mobile phone, etc. It seems like a win, win deal. Sydney metrop and Victorian racing gets dedicated home viewing, the hardcore fans. And Pubs and Clubs (with further rationalising of races) get back the wall to wall coverage on which they thrived previously. Throw in Skys new found dedication to country racing and the expected increase in turnover that should come with the one signal into gambling houses and maybe the future isnt that grim after all.

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[a4brianp]

Mooney think you might find that it fell through. An article in the Age Friday stated that Sky channel have knocked the approach back so is back to square one

[moony]

thanks for the update brian

how long is it going to take its driving me nuts someone has to give a little for the benefit of racing.

[topsy99]

i noted last week that 50 country race meetings have been cancelled for the coming year due to the downturn caused by the dispute.
i read the item posted and it looked promising i think it was in the townsville news as it seems that queensland relies on austar.
i havent read that it fell through.

i have the dispute in my google alerts and get updates every so often.

apparently thousands of peoplehave cancelled their austar accounts over the dispute and i will one of them soon.
its very unhelpful.

some people have a death wish. prizemoney will be cut as well if it continues as well as the country meetings being cut out.

[La Mer]

i havent read that it fell through.i

The following is an article from the Melbourne Age.

New TV coverage bid fails

COUNTRY racegoers are still without pictures of Victorian and Sydney racing after yet another proposal from ThoroughVisioN to end the impasse with Sky Channel failed this week.

It is believed that TVN presented an offer to Sky Channel for both carriers to share pictures of Victorian and Sydney racing in return for the vision of these meetings to be made available to country viewers on Austar.

It would be an interim solution before both parties meet in court to thrash out their differences in May.