2005's Top 100 Class Races

[Chrome Prince]

These are listed in descending order of quality and class.
They are my ratings based on class of race and strength of field compared to other races in the SAME year.


<pre>RACE NAME RACE DISTANCE RACE CLASS
Emirates Melbourne Cup 3200 Group I
Carlton Draught Cox Plate 2040 Group I
Aami Golden Slipper 1200 Group I
Carlton Draught Caulfield Cup 2400 Group I
The Bmw 2400 Group I
David Jones Australian Derby 2400 Group I
Doncaster Handicap 1600 Group I
Aami Victoria Derby 2500 Group I
Australian Cup 2000 Group I
Aami Stradbroke 1400 Group I
Carlton Draught Caulfield Guineas 1600 Group I
Seppelt Wines Newmarket Handicap 1200 Group I
Aami Blue Diamond Stakes 1200 Group I
Tooheys New Golden Rose 1400 Listed Race
Bigpond Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2000 Group I
2005 Inglis Two Years Old Champions 1200 Open
Schweppes Sydney Cup 3200 Group I
Cadbury Guineas 1600 Group I
Blackmores Tj Smith Stakes 1200 Group I
Emirates Stakes 1600 Group I
Carlton Draught-railway Stakes 1600 Group I
Crown Oaks 2500 Group I
Carlton Draught Doomben 10,000 1350 Group I
Emirates Ajc Australian Oaks 2400 Group I
Bigpond Racing Epsom Handicap 1600 Group I
Coolmore Classic 1500 Group I
The Metropolitan 2400 Group I
Turnbull Stakes 2000 Group II
Teac Lightning Stakes 1000 Group I
Ascot Vale Stakes 1200 Group II
Motorola Mackinnon Stakes 2000 Group I
Nivea Visage Craiglee Stakes 1600 Group II
Seppelt Salinger Stakes 1200 Group I
Myer Classic 1600 Group I
Vinery Stud Thousand Guineas 1600 Group I
Xxxx Gold Doomben Cup Weight For Ag 2200 Group I
Dubai Rosehill Guineas 2000 Group I
The Racetree T.J. Smith Qtis 2-y-o 1600 Group I
Inglis Sires Produce 1400 Group I
Conrad Treasury Brisbane Cup 3200 Group I
Bmw Queensland Derby 2400 Group I
Salinger Champagne Stakes 1600 Group I
Ranvet Stakes 2000 Group I
Futurity Stakes 1400 Group I
Yalumba Stakes 2000 Group I
Daily Telegraph All Aged Stakes 1400 Group I
Cleanevent Manikato Stakes 1200 Group I
Arrowfield Stud Stakes 2000 Group I
Cathay Pacific George Ryder Stakes 1500 Group I
McMillanprint Queen Of The Turf Sta 1500 Group I
Kia Ora Stud Canterbury Guineas 1900 Group I
David Jones Galaxy 1100 Group I
Fruit 'n' Veg Stakes 1800 Group I
Shannons Sandown Classic 2400 Group II
Timbercorp Australia Stakes 1200 Group I
Sport 927 Sandown Guineas 1600 Group II
Skycity Adelaide Cup 3200 Group I
Queensland Racing Winter Stakes Fil 1500 Group III
George Main Stakes 1600 Group I
Dubai Duty Free Underwood Stakes 1800 Group I
Sydney City Lexus Flight Stakes 1600 Group I
Toorak Handicap 1600 Group I
Oakleigh Plate 1100 Group I
Dubai Racing Club Cup 1400 Group I
The Age Classic 1200 Group II
C.F. Orr Stakes 1400 Group I
Blamey Stakes 1600 Group II
Bmw-perth Cup 3200 Group II
Thrifty Spring Champion Stakes 2000 Group I
Richmond Grove Btc Cup Weight For A 1200 Group II
Malaysia Airlines Magic Millions Ad 1200 Open
Joe Richards Menswear Queensland Oa 2400 Group I
Grease-the Arena Spectacular Todman 1200 Group II
Robert Sangster Stakes 1200 Group I
Carlton Draught St George Stakes 1800 Group II
Mount Franklin Lightly Sparklking-w 2400 Group I
Cathay Pacific Airways Cup 2500 Group II
Urban Pacific Goodwood Handicap 1200 Group I
Darley Sires' Produce Stakes 1400 Group II
Sydney Morning Herald Chairman's Ha 2600 Group II
Kewney Stakes 1600 Group II
Bigpond Reisling Stakes 1200 Group II
Healthway-karrakatta Plate 1200 Group II
Blazer Edward Manifold Stakes 1610 Group II
Malaysia Airlines Sa Derby 2500 Group I
Dato` Tan Chin Nam Stakes 1600 Group II
Inglis 2yo Classic 1200 Open
Chipping Norton Stakes 1600 Group I
Woodstock Mile 1600 Group II
Gilgai Stakes 1200 Group III
L'oreal Paris Plate 1200 Group III
Dodo Sprint 1100 Group II
Memsie Stakes 1400 Group II
Saab Quality 2500 Group III
South Pacific Classic 1400 Group III
Borrelli Hand Made Clothing Sires' 1400 Group I
Jayco Stakes 1410 Group II
Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2500 Group III
Hardy Amies Stan Fox Stakes 1400 Group II
Channel 7-colonel Reeves Stakes 1200 Group III</pre>

What do you think?

If you disagree, please state why, it will help me refine the ratings in future ;)

[Chrome Prince]

Already I have noticed that too much credbility has been given to some 2 and 3yo races.

Will make adjustments and repost the amended ratings later.

[Sportz]

I've been up and down the list a few times and I can't seem to see the Gold Coast Magic Millions 2yo race. Is it there? I know the field was definitely lacking in strength compared to other years, but surely it should be rated ahead of a couple of the other 2yo races you've got there.

I also think you've rated WA racing too highly!!!

[Chuck]

bit of a drop for the C.F. ORR from last year!

would have thought the cox plate would be highest- melbourne cup lacked class over the entire field...

i agree with sportz abot WA racing

BTW sportz i think you'll find the MM is not there because it is not listed or group level?

[Sportz]

Chuck,

The Inglis 2yo races and the Adelaide Magic Millions aren't listed or group races and they're on the list. And I'm sure most would agree that the Gold Coast Magic Millions (despite a weaker than usual field last year) is stronger than those races.

[Sportz]

Also think you've perhaps got the Turnbull Stakes a bit too low, Chrome.

[Chuck]

also,

metropoliton = too high (railings was only reason it was high)
australian cup > victoria derby
australia stakes = too low

[Chrome Prince]

Hi Chuck and Sportz,

I appreciate all ideas/feedback, as this is not set in concrete and is a work in progress.

Firstly, Magic Millions is not included at all as it was not run on a Metro track, even though it was high class, only Metro track races were included.

I'm trying to achieve a balance of horses in the field (horse class) and race class (Group rating & prizemoney).

I already have some adjustments needed to the younger aged races which need implementing and also the rejig may see the Perth races drop a few notches.

Comes to a point of sacrificing one angle for another, which always puts something on the wrong rung :(

I'll repost my final ratings probably next week, when I have time to rerun it all.

Thanks for the input.

[crash]

Nice effort Chrome.

If these races are being rated on class, I think the Cox Plate is the top of the tree. Any trainer would agree with that. The Melb. Cup ends up with some very ordinary runners because of the distance. The stand-out of the Cup is the prize-money not the overall class of the runners.

[mecurial]

Well done, I am sure that would of taken a lot of effort. I'm not 100% sure on the criteria, but maybe the Newmarket is a little low? Or the Blue Diamond is a little high? I.e. comparing Alinghi and Fastnet Rock to the likes of Undoubtedly Opportunity and Seidnazar.

[Chrome Prince]

This is the amended list, but you guessed it, it's still not right!

<pre>
Emirates Melbourne Cup 3200 Group I
Carlton Draught Cox Plate 2040 Group I
The Bmw 2400 Group I
Carlton Draught Caulfield Cup 2400 Group I
Australian Cup 2000 Group I
Carlton Draught St George Stakes 1800 Group II
Aami Golden Slipper 1200 Group I
Doncaster Handicap 1600 Group I
Memsie Stakes 1400 Group II
Bigpond Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2000 Group I
David Jones Australian Derby 2400 Group I
Ranvet Stakes 2000 Group I
Aami Stradbroke 1400 Group I
Blackmores Tj Smith Stakes 1200 Group I
C.F. Orr Stakes 1400 Group I
Dato` Tan Chin Nam Stakes 1600 Group II
The Age Classic 1200 Group II
Turnbull Stakes 2000 Group II
Seppelt Wines Newmarket Handicap 1200 Group I
Motorola Mackinnon Stakes 2000 Group I
Aami Victoria Derby 2500 Group I
Nivea Visage Craiglee Stakes 1600 Group II
Chipping Norton Stakes 1600 Group I
Timbercorp Australia Stakes 1200 Group I
Carlton Draught Doomben 10,000 1350 Group I
Yalumba Stakes 2000 Group I
Daily Telegraph All Aged Stakes 1400 Group I
Futurity Stakes 1400 Group I
Carlton Draught Caulfield Guineas 1600 Group I
J.J. Liston Stakes 1400 Group II
Cadbury Guineas 1600 Group I
Schweppes Sydney Cup 3200 Group I
Emirates Stakes 1600 Group I
Seppelt Salinger Stakes 1200 Group I
Teac Lightning Stakes 1000 Group I
Schweppervescence Stakes 1000 Group II
Carlton Draught-railway Stakes 1600 Group I
Seppelt Wines Craven Plate 2000 Group III
Apollo Stakes 1400 Group II
George Main Stakes 1600 Group I
Bletchingly Stakes 1200 Group III
Bankstown Sports Club Premiere Stak 1200 Group II
Dubai Duty Free Underwood Stakes 1800 Group I
Warwick Stakes 1400 Group II
Toorak Handicap 1600 Group I
Expressway Stakes 1200 Group II
Aami Blue Diamond Stakes 1200 Group I
Tooheys New Golden Rose 1400 Listed Race
Bigpond Racing Epsom Handicap 1600 Group I
Dubai Racing Club Cup 1400 Group I
Myer Classic 1600 Group I
David Jones Galaxy 1100 Group I
Cleanevent Manikato Stakes 1200 Group I
Edgell Hill Stakes 1900 Group II
Richmond Grove Btc Cup Weight For A 1200 Group II
Coolmore Classic 1500 Group I
Shannons Sandown Classic 2400 Group II
Cathay Pacific George Ryder Stakes 1500 Group I
Perfect Vision Laser Correction Mis 1100 Group III
Emirates Ajc Australian Oaks 2400 Group I
Xxxx Gold Doomben Cup Weight For Ag 2200 Group I
A. Royale Corporate Stakes 1300 Group II
Sydney Morning Herald Chairman's Ha 2600 Group II
2005 Inglis Two Years Old Champions 1200 Open
Bobbie Lewis Quality 1200 Group III
The Metropolitan 2400 Group I
Crown Oaks 2500 Group I
L'oreal Paris Plate 1200 Group III
Blamey Stakes 1600 Group II
Ascot Vale Stakes 1200 Group II
Inglis Sires Produce 1400 Group I
Urban Pacific Goodwood Handicap 1200 Group I
Conrad Treasury Brisbane Cup 3200 Group I
Fruit 'n' Veg Stakes 1800 Group I
Carlton Draught Sandown Stakes 1500 Group III
Chelmsford Stakes 1600 Group II
Rydges Parramatta Theo Marks Stakes 1300 Group II
Borrelli At Joe Richards Q.T.C. Cup 1200 Group II
Oakleigh Plate 1100 Group I
Qrse City North News Sir Byrne Hart 1400 Group II
Gilgai Stakes 1200 Group III
Seppelt Wines McEwen Trophy 1000 Group III
Sir John Monash Stakes 1100 Listed Race
Qrse City Pacific Finance Doomben S 1350 Listed Race
Skycity Adelaide Cup 3200 Group I
Bigpond Hobartville Stakes 1400 Group II
Chester Manifold Stakes 1410 Listed Race
Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2500 Group III
Robert Sangster Stakes 1200 Group I
Dubai Rosehill Guineas 2000 Group I
McMillanprint Queen Of The Turf Sta 1500 Group I
Arrowfield Stud Stakes 2000 Group I
Roman Consul Stakes 1200 Group II
Saab Quality 2500 Group III
Salinger Champagne Stakes 1600 Group I
Sydney City Lexus Flight Stakes 1600 Group I
Vinery Stud Thousand Guineas 1600 Group I
Aquiplan Concorde Stakes 1100 Group III
Waterford Crystal Mile 1600 Group II
Qrse City Pacific Finance Summer St 1200 Group III
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