The 'NEWSPAPER AND COFFEE' system

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....................Newspaper and Coffee......................

1) No Maidens, 2yr. olds, hurdles, stakes, cups, or group races
2) 3 to 6 yr olds racing on a good track only
3) No more than 100m down or 200m up in distance
4) Pe-post on the first 3 betting lines only [newspaper or whatever]
5) Must be the 4th start in from a spell only
6) Last start on the same day of the week 7 or 14 days ago
7) Must have won at the track or distance
8) Wed. or Sat. Metro only
9) If more than 1 selection, choose the lower TAB number

You will not lose. Get into the early money on this :-)

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I have altered rule 3. Up more than 200m is obviously OK if the runner has won at the distance [+/- 25m as some tracks have weird distances like 2020m]. A runner can easily step up from 1200m to 1600m for example if it has previously won at 1600m.


....................Newspaper and Coffee......................

1) No Maidens, 2yr. olds, hurdles, stakes, cups, or group races
2) 3 to 6 yr olds racing on a good track only
3) No more than 100m down in distance or won at distance if up
4) Pe-post on the first 3 betting lines only [newspaper or whatever]
5) Must be the 4th start in from a spell only
6) Last start on the same day of the week 7 or 14 days ago
7) Must have won at the track or distance
8) Wed. or Sat. Metro only
9) If more than 1 selection choose the lower TAB number

Bet recommendation 1x4 ew.

Saturday 22nd. April.

B = backmarker P = on pacer M = middle runner L = leader
Ascot
R1/1 Dance To Heaven (3) -P
Eagle Farm
R8/4 Classic Karla (14) -B
Gold Coast
R7/5 Observation (8) -?
Morphettville
R3/4 Bad Boys (NZ) (4) -P
Moonee Valley
R6/2 Serene Prince (9) -B
Toowoomba
R5/9 Buck's Charm (6) -M

Check the pp odds from your favorite source.

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The only selection to pass the odds and track condt. rules was:
Ascot R1/1 Dance To Heaven [unp]. Pity it was the only runner.

[feather]

Crash,, Will have to work on this one.
I only had mr6-2

Thanks

[crash]

Hi Feather,
Melb. was 'slow', That's the problem with pp odds. Not much help in the wet as they are all over the show and next to useless. Then there are the scratchings to stuff them up further.

Your right about the system needing a bit of work. 3rd. or 4th start in might be worthwhile if I reduce the age to 5yrs. and add a distance rule that works with 3rd or 4th up. It all fits together in Handicapping terms. I've thrown in a bit of an early form clause for one of the 2 or 3 starts from a spell for good measure.

Days since last start was designed to avoid large class jumps from country to city but on reflection the odds priceline rule takes care of that, so that rule is now changed.
Obviously the system can be used any day of the week now so that is a bonus.

....................Newspaper and Coffee......................

1) No Maidens, 2yr. olds, hurdles, stakes, cups, or group races.
2) 1100m to 1850m for C2 and up races only.
3) 3 to 5yr olds racing on a good track only.
4) No more than 100m down in distance or won at distance if up.
5) Pe-post on the first 3 betting lines only [newspaper or whatever].
6) Must be the 3rd or 4th start in from a spell and won or placed in at least 1 of them.
7) Last start 16 days or less.
8) Must have won at the track or distance [+/- 50m].
9) If more than 1 selection choose the lower TAB number.

Cheers.

[crash]

For the revised system today and what would have been yesterday on the dry tracks [didn't check provincials]. I think a 1x4 ew would work best on this system.

Sunday 23rd

Sunshine Coast
R4/6 My Best Tycoon
Wagga
R5/1 He's Unique
R7/14 Switch To Diamonds

Sat. 22nd. Looking at Ascot, E/farm [no selections] Morphettville

Morphettville
R3/2 Fraaclase [w$4.50 p$1.60p]
R4/1 Dollydeva [$1.90p]
R5/1 Kolase [not sure if this one fitted the odds. Maybe not].
Ascot
R1/1 Dance To Heaven [$2.80p]
R7/8 Siesta Bay [$1.40p]
R8/2 Cristobal [4th]

[feather]

"Crash,, Will have to work on this one. "
I only had mr6-2

Sorry Crash, but I was speaking about myself there. Was trying to get my "thick head" around the rules.

This is what I had, and how I came across them:

mr6-2 5g,14day,cd,1200 today -1200 last start-2nd fav
br4-4 5g, 7d, t, 1400-1300- 2nd fav
br6-10 4m, 14d, t, 1200-1200 - favourite
gc6-1 3f, 14d, d, 1200-1200- 2nd fav.

So I picked the only one with the "c" serene prince

[feather]

This is what I found today, old rules

Taree r5-3 3g, 14d, d, 1000-1000,2nd fav
Hobart r9-7 4g, 14d, tc, 1080-1080, 2nd fav

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New rules:
Sunshine Coast
R4/6 My Best Tycoon [started 3rd fav. unp]
Wagga
R5/1 He's Unique [Fav. w$3.40 p$1.30]
R7/14 Switch To Diamonds [SP $15 so not a selection]

Old rules
Taree r5-3 3g, 14d, d, 1000-1000,2nd fav [w$4.30 p$1.60] Dead track [must have been suited]
Hobart r9-7 4g, 14d, tc, 1080-1080, 2nd fav [started fav. unp]

The duel results here don't mean anything of course at this stage, but I have a couple of observations.

Not quite the old rules [dead track a gamble without handicapping the selection for it] and the 7 or 14 days make no handicapping sense when applied to any other days besides Wed. or Sat.
16 days says 'fit and pulled up well last start' as does 7 or 14 but why not 8,9,10,11 etc to 16 days when the race day is a Sunday or any day besides Wed. or Sat.? You get my drift.

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Won at the track or distance rule has a few holes in it. Found a selection that had won at the distance but had 6 starts at the track for zilch. The vis-a-vis problem is also there [won at track but hopeless at distance]. Not hard to fix that rule. So that's a good place to tweak for anyone using this.

What I came up with for today from the system:

Anzac day
Ascot
R6/3 Calico Blue (7) 55.03yo b f (Ms R Macphilomey at Geraldton) M R Forder [f $4 ]

Eagle Farm
R5/9 Solid As A Rock (1) 53.55yo b g (Gary Ball at Deagon) P [$9 -3rd line]

Flemington
R3/6 Lake Charlotte (USA) (1) 55.55yo b m (D L Freedman at Rye) L Nolen P [f $3]
R8/7 Wings On Fire (NZ) (2) 54.56yo b m (M D Moroney at Flemington) G J Childs B [$8 3rd line]

Ranwick-Kensington
R7/4 St. Tevoc (1) 56.07yo br g (K A Lees at Broadmeadow) [f $3.50]
R8/2 Ledger (3) 55.54yo b g (T J Robinson at Berry) Peter Wells (a 3.0) M [f $4.60]

Swan Hill
R8/7 Britain Drive (6) 53.55yo ch m (P A Preusker at Horsham) Ms H Mc Kechnie [a] [f $4.80]

Victoria Park
R7/2 Any Dane Now (3) 56.04yo b m (Aaron Purcell at Warrnambool) P [$6.50 3rd. line]

PP odds used were from tabonline.

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Anzac day
Ascot
The changing weather and track cond't. never helped yesterday.

R6/3 Calico Blu [2nd$1.60]

Eagle Farm
R5/9 Solid As A Rock [4th]

Flemington [slow easing to dead later]

Ranwick-Kensington [dead for the races 7,8 selected and one of them scratched anyway]

Swan Hill
R8/7 Britain Drive [4th]

Victoria Park
R7/2 Any Dane Now [scr.]

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Wed. 26th.

Bunbury [both selections at this track are OK for good or dead]
R4/3 Mimicry (9) 54.5 5yo b m (B V Watkins at Capel) J Claite
R6/7 Highway Thunder (5) 53.0 4yo b m (Ms A J Smith at Wagin) M R Forder

Doomben
R6/2 Down To Earth (NZ) (5) 55.5 4yo br g (T M Whittington at Gold Coast) G Colless
R7/5 Mikdar (1) 56.5 4yo b m (B R Bowditch at Gold Coast)

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Bunbury
R4/3 Mimicry (9) 54.5 5yo b m (B V Watkins at Capel) J Claite [$1.40p]
R6/7 Highway Thunder (5) 53.0 4yo b m (Ms A J Smith at Wagin) M R Forder [outside the pp range] No bet

Doomben
R6/2 Down To Earth (NZ) (5) 55.5 4yo br g (T M Whittington at Gold Coast) G Colless [scr]
R7/5 Mikdar (1) 56.5 4yo b m (B R Bowditch at Gold Coast) [outside the pp range] No bet

Too many selections are comming up for horses outside the 3rd line of betting rule [odds range].

I think the rules need a bit of a look as they don't seem to be working togeather as well as they should. A last start odds rule might be needed or something.

[feather]

crash, its working,



today i only had one sr7-6 1st $4.60. #5 was scratched

Crash I may be thick in the head been a brake and all, but last dec i was given a racing book to read then i learnt what c1,c2 etc meant..!! then i was told the other month what the weight of apprentice means. another da, then your rule number 4, now number 5- 5) Pe-post on the first 3 betting lines only [newspaper or whatever,] I though this meant 3rd fav in paper. da again.
so sticking to the org rules, rule #4 3rd fav in paper, it has given me this result, the commi is also working well
cheers crash.
so far since saturday
metro 5r x 3w $12.50
prov 4r x 1w $6.10
country 2r x 1w $4.30

[crash]

Feather,

Don't worry about the 'brake' business, no disadvantage there, but a couple of system 'rule' points should be cleared up for handy future use.

[quote] "today i only had one sr7-6 1st $4.60. #5 was scratched".

A [S] 'spell' is a min. of 30 days. Some [older] circles consider it 3 mths. and anything less a 'freshen-up', but 30 days is the shortest period that can be considered a spell and is general excepted nowadays as the common standard by most formguides and punters. Which Newspaper do you use by the way?

The scratched runner [5] Cavalier King has had 5 runs in before it was scratched yesterday and runner [6] Calaluna your above selection has had 8 runs in since it's last spell.
Either your newspaper's formguide is out of whack or you ignoring the 4th start in from a spell rule from the original rules you are fol???ing. Apart from all that, wasn't Sydney a 'dead', not a 'good' track yesterday?

Also, 'Must be on the 3rd pp betting line' is not the same as 'the third favorite'. There can be any number of horses on any betting line including more than one runner on the 1st betting line. A betting line is a price not a number, so the shortest price is the 1st. betting line, the 2nd. shortest price is the second betting line etc. and so on up in price lines. Except for a few outsiders, 5 to 7 betting lines often cover a 14 horse field.

If you were looking for the 3rd. favorite pp and there was say 1 runner at 3.50 [1st betting line] and 2 at $5 [2nd line] and 2 more at $7 [3rd line] etc., neither of the runners on the 3rd. betting line could possibly be the 3rd pp favorite!
If 'must be the 3rd pp fav.' was a system rule for the example I just mentioned, it would be the horse on the 2nd betting line with the largest TAB number, the runner with the smaller No.would be the 2nd, fav.. That is generally [accepted] as how you sort out the order on different betting lines. It's full of holes because we are talking pp not sp. TAB no 3 at $5 doesn't necessarily have a better wining chance than TAB no 10 at $5 for all sorts of reasons, but because the class of horses in a race is generally arranged from the top [TAB no 1] down, No. 3 would be considered 2nd.pp fav., not No.10 even though they are both the same pp price. The ???est No. runner on the 3rd. line [$7] would be the 4th pp fav. etc.

How many of your winning selections actually passed the original rules I don't know, but your obviously doing something right by ignoring some of them :-)

[crash]

Original rules:

....................Newspaper and Coffee......................

1) No Maidens, 2yr. olds, hurdles, stakes, cups, or group races
2) 3 to 6 yr olds racing on a good track only
3) No more than 100m down or 200m up in distance
4) Pe-post on the first 3 betting lines only [newspaper or whatever]
5) Must be the 4th start in from a spell only
6) Last start on the same day of the week 7 or 14 days ago
7) Must have won at the track or distance
8) Wed. or Sat. Metro only
9) If more than 1 selection, choose the smaller TAB number
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Latest rules [today]:

..................Newspaper and Coffee......................

1) No Maidens, 2yr. olds, hurdles, stakes, cups, or group races.
2) Distance 1100m to 2050m on a good track only.
3) 3 to 5 yr olds only and not a female against a male.
5) Last start 16 days or less or for Wed. or Sat. meetings, 7 or 14 days only.
6) Must be the 3rd or 4th start in from a spell and have won or placed in one of them.
7) No more than 100m down in distance or 100m up unless won or placed at futher distance.
8) Must have run at distance [+/-50m] and placed at the distance within 3 runs at distance and won at distance within 5 runs..
9) Must have placed at track within 3 runs there and won at track within 5 runs there.
10) Pe-post on the first 3 betting lines only [newspaper or whatever].
11) If more than 1 selection choose the runner with the inside barrier.

I generally use: http://www.tabform.thewest.com.au/jspcontent/TFFrameset.jsp for PP odds [often not available until after 9am for minor race days], because I read the Age newspaper, which has only the local Vic. meetings odds except Sat. meetings.
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The expanded distance and track rules avoid a won at the track horse but who has had more than 5 starts at the distance with no wins and more than 3 starts without placing.
Also, avoids a runner that has won at or placed at the distance, but has had more than 5 starts at the track with no wins and more than 3 starts without placing.

[crash]

Thurs. 27th.
Graldton
R6/1 - x214 Miracle Fred (3) 58.04yo b g (P J Daly at Carnarvon) P Farrell

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Graldton
R6/1 - x214 Miracle Fred [w$1.90 p$1.10]

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Friday 28th possible system selections [check pp odds and weather]

Queanbeyan
R5/2 Stay Leica Dane (7) 56.05yo b g (W G Davey at Moruya) S Pollard
Sandown
R3/8 Rough Night (8) 54.03yo b g (M J Ellerton at Flemington) S Baster
R5/3 Warshawsky (10) 56.53yo b f (P G Moody at Caulfield)

Cheers.

[crash]

Friday 28th possible system selections

Queanbeyan
3.08pm. R5/2 Stay Leica Dane (7) 56.05yo b g (W G Davey at Moruya) S Pollard [unp]
Sandown
1.43pm. R3/8 Rough Night (8) 54.03yo b g (M J Ellerton at Flemington) S Baster [$7.10p]
R5/3 Warshawsky (10) 56.53yo b f (P G Moody at Caulfield) [$1.30p]

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Sat.29th. April

Possible system selections [odds and track cond't unknown]:

Caufield
R5/2 Pure Silence (5) 56.5 4yo b h (D L Freedman at Rye) N Callow [bet w]

Eagle Farm
R3/11 Mr Hornblower (1) 53.0 4yo b g (Ms T Green at Doomben) A Pattillo

Gold coast
R8/10 Langlaw (9) 54.53yo b g (M A Sims at Gold Coast) S Nakamura (a 3.0)

Benalla
R6/3 Creswina (6) 56.03yo ch g (C W McDonald at Caulfield) A Darmanin
R6/10 Iquitos (10) 53.04yo b/br g (L T Hope at Kilmore) B Park

Morphetville
R4/2 Tivation (1) 54.03yo b f (B C Mueller at Strathalbyn) D Tourneur
R8/7 Potter (12) 53.55yo b h (S P Gower at Morphettville) W Kerford

[feather]

Crash, Sorry I havan’t replied earlier, but as I was writing this the other day explaining what I had done, I got my self muddled up again. Thank you for the explanation of what I didn’t know.

“If you were looking for the 3rd. favorite pp and there was say
1 runner at 3.50 [1st betting line]” – my thinking favourite
“and 2 at $5 [2nd line]” – thinking equal 2nd favourite
“and 2 more at $7 [3rd line]” – thinking equal 3rd favourite


Rule 5) Must be the 4th start in from a spell only.
I took this as 4th plus starts in from a spell
I went through my results again and found only two match all this, if its 4th in from a spell.
22/4 serene prince – 1st $2.70 14day- last 4 starts x422
27/4 miracle fred – 1st $1.90 14 day- x214

Here is what I was doing:

Mark the first 3 favs/lines that have a c-d-t
Last four starts – fourth or more from a spell
Last start either 7 or 14 days exactly
Distance ..etc

But I am still going to keep working at it. I havan’t had a chance to look at yesterdays or todays yet.

[crash]

Hi Feather,

Mark the first 3 favs/lines that have a c-d-t
Last four starts – fourth or more from a spell
Last start either 7 or 14 days exactly
Distance ..etc

Nothing wrong with D.I.Y rule changes, especially when they work !!

4th. or more in from a spell makes strong sense handicapping wise as it means the runner is at max. fitness, especially for middle distance races [1600m to 2250m]. Watch out though for horse that have had too many runs in and are on a fitness slide [generally after 8 runs in]. A bit hard to tell from a newspaper however. I use [www] 'firstpastthepost' for about $35 a month which pays for itself over and over. Worth a look at the 'samples' and explanations of what you get [a whole new world].

In my revised rules I have used 'must be 3rd [had 2 runs] or 4th [had 3 runs] start in from a spell' to cover all distances from 1100m to 2250m as plenty of horses are now 'primed' by their 3rd up run for the shorter distances. Higher fitness levels can be reached a lot quicker nowadays, as training methods have changed a fair bit and it's common to see runners 3rd or 4th up winning middle distance events.

Good luck today.

[feather]

Crash , I didn’t any the same as you, so obviously I am not understanding the rules and I’ve changed them around for my understanding.
With the metro I was only looking at races from 1200m up, Also think 3rd race in from a spell, is a good change.
This is the first time I have any 6yo.
Based on what I have done this past week, this is what I have today.

BR3-1 COGNISANT, 6g,14d,1600m,tb
MR5-3 HASSLE, 5g, 14d,1800m,d
MR8-8 MONO ROCK, 4g 14d,1400m,c
GC7-7 SWEPTRONIC, 4g, 14d, 1400m, c
GC8-1 TELFIRE, 3g, 14d, 1300m, d

AR5-1 SWISS VAULT, 6m, 14d, 1100m, tc

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No 6yr. olds in new rules [for good reasons too long to go into here and also without infringing copyright]. Distances are 1100m to 2050m

3) 3 to 5 yr olds only and not a female against a male.

According to new rules:

BR3-1 COGNISANT, 6g,14d,1600m,tb [is 6yrs old and.has never run within 50m of the distance, but will probably win this race now that Mamaluke is out. I have bet against it on Grand Lover e/w which is not a system bet].

MR5-3 HASSLE, 5g, 14d,1800m,d [ok]
MR8-8 MONO ROCK, 4g 14d,1400m,c [ok]

GC7-7 SWEPTRONIC, 4g, 14d, 1400m, c [race is a C1]
GC8-1 TELFIRE, 3g, 14d, 1300m, d [6th start in]
AR5-1 SWISS VAULT, 6m, 14d, 1100m, tc [6yr.old.]

I might have accidently left out the no C1's in the new rules, but they are rubbish races to bet in mostly and full of inconsistent horses who might do anything. Who needs em'?

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Nice start:
Eagle Farm
R3/11 Mr Hornblower (1) 53.0 4yo b g (Ms T Green at Doomben) A Pattillo [w$6.40] I backed it for a win with a 'free' new accont bet and also Grand lover e/w with my money in my IAS account so I came out ..quite well in the end.

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"MR5-3 HASSLE, 5g, 14d,1800m,d [ok]"

w $4.90

Hope your betting on your system selections Feather:-)

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Sat. possible system selections

Caufield
R5/2 Pure Silence (5) [unp]

I had missed seeing R5 Hassle [w$4.90] and R8 Mondo rock [unp] that Feather picked up for the rules.

Eagle Farm
R3/11 Mr Hornblower (1) [w$6.40 $2.10p]

Gold coast
R8/10 Langlaw (9) [no chance, poor odds, no bet]

Benalla [seperated these 2 with the 'best barrier' rule]
R6/3 Creswina (6) [$1.80p]
R6/10 Iquitos (10)

Morphetville
R4/2 Tivation (1) [unp]
R8/7 Potter (12) [unp]
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System evolution:
I have tightened and simplified track and distance rules which allows elimination of PP prices altogether. Basically if the runner passes the rules as they are now, it has a decent chance of winning the race and sometimes at very good odds because it has been overlooked. I have also allowed both good and dead track condt., but only if the runner has performed well on the dead or good tracks [covered in rules]. 10 rules now instead of 11 which I feel better about.

:......................Newspaper and Coffee......................

1) No Maidens, 2yr.olds, hurdles, stakes, cups, group races, C1's, Slow or Heavy tracks.
2) Distance 1100m to 2250m on good or dead tracks if runner has placed in condt. or won in 3 tries.
3) 3 to 5 yr olds only and not a female against a male.
5) Last start 16 days or less or for Wed. or Sat. meetings, 7 or 14 days only.
6) Must be the 3rd or 4th start in from a spell and have won or placed in one of them.
7) No more than 100m down in distance.
8) Must have at least placed at distance [+/-100m] and won by 4 tries.
9) Must have at least placed at track and won by 4 runs unless first start at track.
10) If more than 1 selection choose the runner with the inside barrier.
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Sunday 30th. April.
Track condt. unknown.

Bendigo
R3/10 x324 French Rhythm (NZ) (6) 53.0 3yo br f (R E Laing at Cranbourne) [backmarker]
R6/10 x367 All Charisma (5) 53.5 5yo ch m (G A Thornton at Geelong) [backmarker]

Horsham
R7/4 x53 Popeye Doyle (8) 54.0 4yo ch g (J W Edwards at Geelong) B Cross. [On pacer].

Pinjarra
R3/7 x81 Tiger Mite (11) 53.5 4yo b m (K W Shanks at Melville) Ms A Sansom [ - ]
R6/6 x21 Aztec Eagle (7) 54.5 4yo ch g (L W Healey at Warnbro) [backmarker]

Sunshine Coast
R6/5 x20 Just Ordained (7) 55.0 3yo b g (B J McLachlan at Sunshine Coast) J Holder [mid-pacer]

Tamworth
R8/8 x43 Formula Uno (11) 55.0 5yo b g (L J Tilley at Wyong) A Gibbons [leader]

[feather]

Crash, I am going to give it another week and then think what to do.

Today I have
SscR4-3, 3g 14d, only vision
Ssc r7-1, 5d 14d little punc
Ssc r8-3, 4g 14d likazyrtec
Laun r2-1, 4m 21d swan ky bar
Horsh r7-2 ,3c 21d another cat

[crash]

Possible bets today:
Track condt. [now known].

Bendigo [slow] NO BETS
R3/10 French Rhythm (NZ) unp
R6/10 All Charisma $4.80p [typical, when outside the rules]

Horsham [slow] NO BET
R7/4 Popeye Doyle. unp

Pinjarra [good]
R3 [1000m] Mistaken selection. No bet this race due to distance.
R6/6 Aztec Eagle $1.70p

Sunshine Coast [o/cast good]
R6/5 Just Ordained 4th.

Tamworth [good]
R8/8 x43 Formula Uno. unp [terrible barrier for this at the track, so not surprised]
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Feather,
You are obviously have been following a very radical departure from System on most days [D.Y.I. is fine by me, whatever you feel comfortable with].
Today none of these matched anything the system rules came up with. Perhaps the form guide you are using isn't quite up to the job[?] I can give you a free formguide www. address that is VERY suitable but I can not give it on this forum [management have warned me against printing the name and I have to respect that]. I would need your em address to send it to you [wothwhile].

SscR4-3, 3g 14d, only vision [C1 and 1000m] unp.
Ssc r7-1, 5d 14d little punc $1.30p
Ssc r8-3, 4g 14d likazyrtec [scr]
Laun r2-1, 4m 21d swan ky bar [dead] unp
Horsh r7-2 ,3c 21d another cat [slow] unp

Cheers.

[feather]

Hi Crash,
No need to worry, thank you for your help. I will bow out here. I thank you for your time.
I got the www from before and will look it up, I found it very hard to do what I was doing, but the metro I will keep up a bit more as I had a good profit there (this week with today 6r x 4w $16).
With your new rule changes I happened to come across something today so will look into that to.
I have great success with the nb, -and this took me from sept-dec last year to get where I am today with it- this year only (178r x 67w $338.90), but again I have different rules for each metro-prov-country.
I may not understand things, but once something sticks I will keep looking into it and try my best to work at it
Thank you for your help. Ciao

[crash]

Good oh mate.

I do think you are on the right track with a 't' or 'c' in the form. My problem with it is it leads to odds-on favorites too often for my liking. I will mess around with this and see how I go. Yeah, I love the nb too [Like you , I have evolved it a bit.

Cheers and thanks for the interest.