Skinny Batsrad System

[darkydog2002]

TOP ZIPFORM RATING FROM SPORTSMAN

WEIGHT TODAY 56 KG +

DROP IN CLASS

LAST RUN WITHIN 14 DAYS

Cheers.
darky.

[darkydog2002]

Wonder how this old one went.

[Barny]

No more low content posts like a one word post "Yawn" Thank you. Moderator.

[moeee]

Don't do it Barny :(

[Vortech]

Darky just check out any zip rating that is higher than the weight, 14 Days Last Start or less and a top jockey.

[Barny]

Don't do it Barny :(
I don't get the usefulness of the million same old same old posts. This is about education is it not. 3 line repetitive posts do not educate nor invite useful responses.

Perhaps he is as he says he was back in Jan 2010 .....

phhhhhttttt

yawn ............

[Bhagwan]

Why do we get the feeling that you always seem to be winging & wining about someone or something.

Dont you get tired of it?

Its starting to sound like one of those chaps who want everything served up to them on a Silver Platter .


You do realise that some folk get offended by such remarks.
So why do you keep doing it?

Have you thought about posting some of your own educational punting ideas, you have been around long enough, you must be good for at least one.
You do have at least one idea ... Right?

[Barny]

Please post something constructive instead of criticising others. Moderator.

[Barny]

sorry bhagwan, this one of yours is an obvious winner ..... lol

I`ve gone over my figures on the formula & have found this to work stronger . 1)Look at top 2 in races with 9-15 starters only in most Fav. Col. of any newspaper. 2)Halve the barrier number e.g. if barrier 3 this would become 1.5 (max.5pts. e.g. if barr 10,11,12,etc. becomes max. 5 pts.) 3)Add this to its allocated weight(ignore apprentic claims) 4)Deduct its last start placing. 5)Highest score is the selection. Example .Barrier 3. Wt.56kg. Last start 6th. Becomes 1.5Barr+56kg.-6th=51.5 Highest total is backed. Any feed back would be welcome.

[bernie]

Sorry Bhagwan but I have to agree with Barny. It's not a case of 'winging & wining'. It's all to do with common sense.


This is a place to toss around ideas and pass on information, but to keep on with the same old same old gets beyond a joke. It's non productive. Most on this forum are educated enough to understand that systems like the ones you and Darky have been presenting lately have, in some form or another, been tried and tested and are the quickest way to the poor house.


There is some great information on here and some really interesting threads from some interesting people. Lets get positive and move with the times instead of presenting outdated information.


As for me passing on any worthwhile ideas and systems, I can't. So don't ask. I'm not a dreamer nor a gambler and I'm no closer to finding the Holy Grail now than I was 45 years ago.

[Chrome Prince]

My personal opinion is that everyone is entitled to post what they feel is value.
However, I feel it is pointless to constantly post rules without any proper results or just including the results of a weekend or a day.

If anything is any good, surely it is obvious that people would have the outlay and return figures as a minimum.
My guess is that you'd have more luck plucking a rabbit out of a hat.

It's a free country, but I only take note of methods posted like michaelg where the profit and loss is stated. It means he is following it seriously.

It's quite different to discuss angles and strategies, even possibilities, another to post rules with no stats whatsoever.

[Barny]

Bernie, my best systems were tested using nearly 6 years of old herald suns. one tends to become tired after a while, and with the odd one missing, the results weren't conclusive.

I now have a database which i believe to be accurate because all the horses that should be there with my systems, are there. If I can offer an insight into what I think is the best way to develop a system;

It needs to be logical with as few rules as possible.

There must be a nexus between all your rules !!!!! (This is my No. 1)

There is no point having rules that are similar. all this does is cut the bets down and doesn't do anything for the POT in a lot of cases.

Concentrate on doing the opposite of the herd without being too silly.

I have noticed that good form produces winners, BUT, there are quite a few horses in each race that would qualitfy as having good form.

Everyone says look outside the square and I believe it to be true for the simple reason you're going to get a better price.

A system needs to have a decent Win S/R or it's chances of having that muderous run of outs are very good.

I cannot make a 7 day LSW work, nor can I make a topweight system work ..... but I have several methods that show a really good POT. My systems allow only a few bets each month so to make wages I would need to put on far too much money for my liking. So it's a fun thing ATM. There are systems out there that work and show a decent POT, I'm sure of that.

A couple of strong filters which improve systems include "career starts of 8...21" courtesy of sarge1 and only betting "Metropolitan" races. The class of a horse (which I've poo-poo'd many times) is paramount to a successful system.

good luck

[Barny]

Dont know who to attribute this statement to but someone posted along these lines ......... All form is relative. Any horse can handle the going, the distance the course and run time, it all depends on the class of the race as to whether it wins or not.

I thought you only found the class of a horse when it was too late. There maybe some truth to that statement, BUT, finding the class horse, whcih is race fit, gets many winners. I'ts turned my thinking 180degrees. I now have two systems based around Ave Prizemoney. SP is also a good filter.

[Barny]

Top of my useless filters is recognition of Top Place Percentage. Many will disagree, but my testing proves it to be a nonsense.

Next useless is weight.

[TheSchmile]

Hi Chrome Prince,

While I respect your opinion greatly, I disagree with your last post.

Darkydog makes no guarantees that the ideas/systems work. I see them as a starting point for a method, or perhaps a different angle that you maybe hadn't previously investigated.

I agree Michaelg's posts are fantastic, however they often evolve as he goes along and jump from lay ideas to win bets and vice versa, which is his prerogative as they are his posts.

I'm all for posting any idea no matter how bent! What I don't like is the badgering and mean spirited posts that pop up from time to time with no constructive criticism within. (I'm not including you in this group CP)

Can I ask that we please stick to the main goal of making a profit through the sharing of ideas and keep the personal jibes to the 'real world'??!!

The Schmile

[Barny]

theschmille, that system that i put up of bhagwans is from 2001 and he's still banging on about the top 2 in the tipsters poll.

this forum has lost some very insightful posters over the years, and we end up with some regurgitating ratings and top tipsters.

i might start laying the top 2 tipsters thingy coz i believe it to be a loser .........

[Chrome Prince]

Fair enough, I agree that we don't want to hinder sharing, nor promote attacks.

Perhaps others are getting something worthwhile from the posts, but I do understand why it provokes some responses.

[TheSchmile]

theschmille, that system that i put up of bhagwans is from 2001 and he's still banging on about the top 2 in the tipsters poll.

this forum has lost some very insightful posters over the years, and we end up with some regurgitating ratings and top tipsters.

i might start laying the top 2 tipsters thingy coz i believe it to be a loser .........
Hi Barny,

Fair play matey.

Could you post some stats though to back up your argument that it's a loser? I'm also reasonably confident the top 2 would lose over all races, however the last system seemed to focus on small fields of 7 or 8, backing the longest priced horse or 90 units and the shorter one for 60 which had positive feedback from a couple of forumites.

The Schmile

[darkydog2002]

TheSchmile,
Well said.

I put COMMONSENSE RULES that are a starting point.
They are few in number and based on Professional Form Handicapping.

Some of these whingers have absolutely no idea .

My advice to them is "If you know nothing keep it to yourself"
That may just be the reason that they never present anything positive.

Cheers
darky

[TheSchmile]

Fair enough, I agree that we don't want to hinder sharing, nor promote attacks.

Perhaps others are getting something worthwhile from the posts, but I do understand why it provokes some responses.
Hi Chrome Prince,

My advice would be not to read posts from that user if you dislike their posts. My main gripe is with folks that offer no ideas or positive feedback, wait in the wings and then have a go at people for simply offering up a theory.

Each to their own, however I'm not into unprevoked bullying or aggressive behaviour of any kind.

The Schmile

[darkydog2002]

The NEW from Baghwan I use on a daily basis with good results and my own adaption which I,ve shared with Baghwan with excellent results as well.

Cheers
darky

[darkydog2002]

Bernie and Barny,
Will you enlighten us with your tips for today (preferably on Good TC )
Cheers and thanks.
darky

ps.Mine will be up in a minute.

[bernie]

Great posts from Chrome Prince.

TheSchmile, Whether or not Darky makes no guarantees, he is only repeating what has gone before. My point is, we need to move on not be bombarded with the same thing over and over again.

CP is right, without results systems are meaningless. Here's one for you. Last start winner, weight below 56Kg ridden by a top jockey . Now what is the point of me giving you that?? It is meaningless without some sort of results. It isn't the basis of a system. It isn't a starting point I'm not sharing anything. It is just waffle from me. Something with no substance that I've created without thinking. That is what we are seeing time and time again. Get my point?

I don't have anything to offer. I have one system that I'm keeping to myself and apart from that I have nothing to provide to give gullible people hope.

[moeee]

I feel it is pointless to constantly post rules just including the results of a weekend or a day.

I only take note of methods posted like michaelg where the profit and loss is stated. It means he is following it seriously.

michaelg seems to post an interesting system based on the previous day or week quite often.
Dunno if thats a bad thing , but its easy to backfit a system to work over a sample of 28 races or less.
I can't see the point unless it is based using a decent sample of races , like 1 thousand.

[TheSchmile]

Here's one for you. Last start winner, weight below 56Kg ridden by a top jockey . Now what is the point of me giving you that?? It is meaningless without some sort of results. It isn't the basis of a system. It isn't a starting point I'm not sharing anything. It is just waffle from me. Something with no substance that I've created without thinking. That is what we are seeing time and time again. Get my point?

I don't have anything to offer. I have one system that I'm keeping to myself and apart from that I have nothing to provide to give gullible people hope.
Hi Bernie,

The hilarious thing is, the system you just put up:
- Last start winner
- weight below 56Kg
- ridden by a top jockey

Is a great basis for a system, so well done!!

The key from there is to assess the likelihood of the horse repeating the winning effort based on today's conditions and the field it is racing today.

I think you're selling yourself short when you say you have nothing to offer after 45 years in the game. If you broke down your knowledge piece by piece you'd probably surprise yourself.

With regards to Darkydog's posts and your comments that they are posted without thinking, I argue that sometimes the best ideas come on a whim and over thinking can kill creativity. I can completely understand if he is frustrating you, however I recommend:
a/ not reading his posts if they annoy you
b/ get a database and post the results of his ideas to demonstrate he's on the wrong path, if you feel so strongly that they will not work

The Schmile

[Chrome Prince]

michaelg seems to post an interesting system based on the previous day or week quite often.
Dunno if thats a bad thing , but its easy to backfit a system to work over a sample of 28 races or less.
I can't see the point unless it is based using a decent sample of races , like 1 thousand.

That's true of course, but the difference is, he will quote and tell you how many races and then continue to post his findings from there on.
I don't want to grind this to death, but I believe there is a great difference between the two ways and overall value to other members.
I cannot speak for other members, but based on the postings, I think it alienates more than it's value.

That s just my opinion.

[bernie]

b/ get a database and post the results of his ideas to demonstrate he's on the wrong path, if you feel so strongly that they will not work

The SchmileThe Schmile, do you have any idea how many systems Darky has posted? I guess not. It's up to him to produce the goods, not me. You seem to be missing the point so I say farewell.

[moeee]

The hilarious thing is, the system you just put up:

Is a great basis for a system, so well done!!

Some people can't see the forest for the trees , and simply just don't get it.

Magic is always fascinating until the methods employed are revealed.
Once it is revealed , the Reality is that Magic doesn't exist.
Perhaps some people prefer to believe in Magic.
I'm sure Bernie would simply love to believe , but 45 years of loving have revealed nothing to him , and I believe him.

[moeee]

The Schmile, You seem to be missing the point so I say farewell.
Please let that be farewell to your input in this instance , and not generally to this Forum - PLEASE????

[TheSchmile]

No need to throw the baby out with the bath water yet Moeee.

It's just a difference of opinion between Bernie and I. I do get his point but disagree with it. Let's move on.

The Schmile

[bernie]

Just saying farwell to TheSchmile moeee. He knows better than me so it's not worth arguing about. If he thinks he can make a system out of the ramblings of my mind good luck to him.

Cheers

[TheSchmile]

I won't dignify your last post with a response Bernie.....wait a sec, I just have!! :D

The Schmile

[embee]

hi guys ..dont jump on me as just my thoughts ..mentioned to bhagwana i met chap who like me have tried every possible system re -ratings neurals etc etc and he declared to me it is now a numbers game and he brackets tab nos 1&3 and 2&4 melb races only with his staking plan ..yes i laughed ..i see him nearly every sat at tab and after 1st race melb he walked past and winked at me and said NG ..my mate said what did he say and told him that forum users will know ..yes Numbers Game..r1-2= 13.00 win ..he collected on 5 out of 8 races ( two no 1s top weights allot 60kgs ) no i dont have results for last 6 years or more and still a non believer but watching closely ..cheers mb ..just looked at results bairnsdale race 5 no 1 = 21.00 win mmmmm..any thoughts

[darkydog2002]

Bernie,/Barny
I post my selections up most days.
And yet I havent seen 1 set of selections from either of you .
Todays no different.

The reason 20 second thoughts get posted is I,ve learnt the Profession so thoroughly that ideas just flash into the mind so readily and may be of some assistance to others.

This forum is designed for helping others and learning from others and not just for trying to pull others down or whining and whinging about others success.

If this forum doent meet your needs then find another.

I know of 1 forum thats screaming for new blood.

[moeee]

The reason 20 second thoughts get posted is I,ve learnt the Profession so thoroughly that ideas just flash into the mind so readily and may be of some assistance to others.

I actually reckon Bernies non-system would beat the living suitcase out of Darky Dogs tried and tested 20-second-thought-out-System.

I heard a story , may have been true , that a fellow worker grabbed his shovel and pushed an unfortunate colleague's head under the boiling molten lead vat that he had unfortunately fell into.

Assistance is determined by others to decide whether it is in fact is help.

[moeee]

Please leave moderation comments to Moderators. Thank you. Moderator.

[darkydog2002]

Off topic. Moderator.

[moeee]

Off topic. Moderator.

[darkydog2002]

Off topic. Moderator.

[Barny]

some of the most informative posters on here, who are long gone, did not put up systems and results.

privateer with his pareto principle system was a brilliant read
crash with his handicapping
there are many more to learn from, kenchar for example

there would have been a dozen brilliant posters who never put up a system and results but who shared their knowledge.

none of them banged on for a decade about the same old same old ......

i reckon you could lay some of these same old same old and make a quid ..... but of course i have no proof, it's just a thought tho'.

it's not my style to get people to punt on what i think is a winner

[moeee]

Off topic. Moderator.

[Moderator 3]

This is a betting system thread. Please stick to the topic or this thread will again be closed. Thank you. Moderator.

[Barny]

saturation of similar information leads to market manipulation on the stock market.

why not lay these almost identical and repetitive systems of darkydog's and bhagwan? after all they're going to be overbet if they can influence enough punters.

there's a tip for the unwashed.

[bernie]

Bernie,/Barny
I post my selections up most days. And yet I havent seen 1 set of selections from either of you .Gee, seems I missed all the fun.

Anyway, Darky please take the time to read my posts fully. I have explained why I don't post selections and I don't want to have to repeat it over and over again.