Thoughts?

[Real Deal]

If a Leader dies on its run or is swamped in the last 50 over say 1350-1400m in a race, would you expect it's next run to be over 1500 or 1300?

My horse did exactly the above last start and this start finds itself running an extra 100m. I have been told by the trainer the horse has a bit of potential and he wants to get me and the other owners a win as soon as possible.

[In_retrospect]

If a Leader dies on its run or is swamped in the last 50 over say 1350-1400m in a race, would you expect it's next run to be over 1500 or 1300?

My horse did exactly the above last start and this start finds itself running an extra 100m. I have been told by the trainer the horse has a bit of potential and he wants to get me and the other owners a win as soon as possible.

A number of factors to consider imo including eg. past 'best' distances for the nag, track condition last start, previous (run) / current fitness level, class of race before / now, how the race was run last start, weight before / now, barrier before / now, jockey now / before, course now / before etc..

[brave chief]

I guess the real question is: Was he being "swamped" late, that is, by more than one horse & he truly had nothing else to give?? If so, then a drop to 1200m or so would seem the sensible thing to do.

Minson is a good example. He actually won 2 races over 1400m, but in both wins he was "swamped" late. Look at his last two starts when asked to run 1400m at the highest level. His trainer was actually setting him for the Cox Plate! It would appear trainers can be wishful thinkers themselves, as much or more so than punters.


Rassmussen was another one who was weak over 1350m. It would be worth seeinf what the trainer does with him next start as well.

[In_retrospect]

I guess the real question is: Was he being "swamped" late, that is, by more than one horse & he truly had nothing else to give?? If so, then a drop to 1200m or so would seem the sensible thing to do.

Minson is a good example. He actually won 2 races over 1400m, but in both wins he was "swamped" late. Look at his last two starts when asked to run 1400m at the highest level. His trainer was actually setting him for the Cox Plate! It would appear trainers can be wishful thinkers themselves, as much or more so than punters.


Rassmussen was another one who was weak over 1350m. It would be worth seeinf what the trainer does with him next start as well.

'I guess the real question is: Was he being "swamped" late'

Sorry brave chief, don't understand why this would be a major consideration and outside what I have posted :confused: would you mind elaborating further pls.

[brave chief]

'I guess the real question is: Was he being "swamped" late'

Sorry brave chief, don't understand why this would be a major consideration and outside what I have posted :confused: would you mind elaborating further pls.

I wrote that before i had a chance to read your reply. I agree with what you say.

I just distinguish between a leader being "swamped" (weak late & several horses attacking the leader with margins closing), to a leader being run down by a single horse with stronger depth to its run, while the leader still maintains its gap on the rest.

[catweazle]

the horse we are talking about, what class level is he or she?

[mv2040]

What barrier did it start from, did it do much work early, was it 3 wide without cover at any stage, how fast was the first section of the race run?

[Real Deal]

The horse is only early in its career, Pinged the gates and found lead what i would call rather easily.

The favourite for the race sat on my horses outside the whole way until the 2 kicked clear when straightening. It looked to be a match race before both horses threw it in to be swamped by enough horses that my horse did not run a drum, but it did beat the favourite home.


I am a bit hesitant to reveil names at the moment. I too am under the impression that shorter would be better. I will have an answer later today after i see it's next run.

[Chrome Prince]

Real Deal,

All the very best with your horse mate, nothing better than a win with your own horse :D

Is the horse fit, does the trainer see it as a better horse over more distance.

Did it get swamped because the match race turned into a sprint.

There are too many unknowns to say just give it shorter distance.

Sometimes horses get swamped because they need more distance, they need a slower first pace to produce their best late. He could still be a leader but need a slower pace.

[WildWildWest]

Is it bred to get the extra distance?

[Real Deal]

Horse was Mr. Wang. Just won at Kilmore. Looks like trainer knows more than me.

Didn't tip to anyone because i didn't even back it.

[mv2040]

lol..... i backed that today! Won rather nicely indeed too.

[Chrome Prince]

Horse was Mr. Wang. Just won at Kilmore. Looks like trainer knows more than me.

Didn't tip to anyone because i didn't even back it.

Congrats on the win Real Deal, did he lead?

[mv2040]

Led all the way relatively unchallenged, kicked away about 300 out for a nice win.

[Real Deal]

Regardless of result today MV2040, did you happen to see its last run? If so-did you think it would go better over more ground?

[mv2040]

I dint see its last run so i could not comment. IMO opinion i wouldnt want to see it over a lot further than yesterdays run. Had all of the favours yesterday and won very well.

Possibly the pressure of having another horse running outside of it previously told in the end?