Here is an oldie that might interest.

[darkydog2002]

FAV = STAKE $15

2nd FAV = STAKE $10

3rd FAV = STAKE $7

Cheers.
darky.

[Wunfluova]

Darky, flat staking the first three favs for varying amounts equals punting equivalent of chinese water torture? (except death of punting bank would mercifully arrive much sooner)

Respectfully suggest you put this one back in the time capsule and seal the lid with superglue.

[darkydog2002]

Never tried it myself .
Came from the stable of such gems as "lame brains' etc.

Cheers and a "ho ho - let me at em' ( said with ears firmly pulled back ).

I do like to see a few "systems" put up on what is a system forum though.

Glenno.Where are you.?

Cheers.
Darky.

[go4it]

Okay Darky,

you asked for it!!

A "Glenno" type system(although invented by me).

Back any horse with an "X" in it's name.

That's it.

The old K.I.S.S. principle (keep it simple stupid).

I could do all sorts of retrofitting here, like Mr. EXcellent, and more recently MaXimgun which paid $210 on Unitab.

[Stix]

Okay Darky,

you asked for it!!

A "Glenno" type system(although invented by me).

Back any horse with an "X" in it's name.

That's it.

The old K.I.S.S. principle (keep it simple stupid).

I could do all sorts of retrofitting here, like Mr. EXcellent, and more recently MaXimgun which paid $210 on Unitab.

Horse 14 from Barrier 14...... :o

[Chuck]

stix i remember when you got one of those up on the forum at about 150s

[breadman]

my dad had this one.

55
66
77
88
99

last 2 starts. obviously spells dont count. has to be 55 last 2 starts.

cheers breadman

[Stix]

stix i remember when you got one of those up on the forum at about 150sHey Chuck

Yeah, they still tick over now and then...... (flexi) exotics also cruising along :D

[Stix]

my dad had this one.

55
66
77
88
99

last 2 starts. obviously spells dont count. has to be 55 last 2 starts.

cheers breadmanRace 1
Horse 1
Barrier 1

Race 2
Horse 2
Barrier 2

Race 3
Horse 3
Barrier 3

.... yatta yatta...

[partypooper]

Form figures 2nd last run = 1, then worse than 4th last run, i.e. 10, 15, 16, 17, etc if none then third last start a win i.e. 100, 125, etc etc last 2 finishing positions do not matter as long as won third last start. This time in only,..... a variation is the same rules but working down from Tab no1, no2, no3 etc until a qualifier is reached that is quoted at $3.50 or above in the pre-post (source doesn't matter as long as same publication used permanently)

[Chuck]

last four starts 9095 .... i find it pulls some good results

[chika]

Darkie,

Don't worry about the replies here, I think the idea is very clever, I just want to know if you apply the power of ten that you use to this method.
If so how do you do it.
Do you add upthe bets 15 10 +7 which equals 32 then divide that by the power which = 3.2
then get your target of say $100 then divide that by 3.2 which = 31.25 then bring in a divisor 99 which means the first bet will be about 31.5 cents.
No too confusing for me.
Could a self proclaimed professional punter like yourself please explain to me how to do it.

Thanks in anticipation.

Chika.

[wesmip1]

Back any horse with an "X" in it's name.
Returns approx 73% over 9000 bets.

Horse 14 from Barrier 14
Returns approx 129% ( A PROFIT YAY ) over 421 bets (3 years)
Place returns a negative.

55
66
77
88
99

last 2 starts. obviously spells dont count. has to be 55 last 2 starts.

Return approx 80% over 10200 bets.

Race 1
Horse 1
Barrier 1

Race 2
Horse 2
Barrier 2

Race 3
Horse 3
Barrier 3

.... yatta yatta...
Returns approx 79% over 2750 bets.

Form figures 2nd last run = 1, then worse than 4th last run, i.e. 10, 15, 16, 17, etc
I did this where there was only 1 seleciton thrown as it was a very poor return when there were more than 1 selecitons per race

Returns approx 82% from approx 17100 bets

last four starts 9095
Returns 62% from 248 bets.


Well from all of that we got 1 system that was in profit.

Good Luck.

[partypooper]

Hey! 82% is not too bad at all, considering no filters. Ok how about the following have been trying to get some number crunching on this one for ages:

(a) Take all horses with form figures 11 (last two runs this time in) MISS its next race, then back it 1 unit win next TWO runs. (Maxi -Divi)

(b) Take all horses with form figures 11 (last two runs this time in) take a 1 unit all up (race to race, Maxi-Divi)) for it's next 3 runs. i.e. looking for the treble when a nag wins 5 in a row, (happens many times every season)

[breadman]

what about horses last 2 starts 5th then 4th

e.g

854
154
x54

thanx in advance

that was another one from dad

[Stix]

And someone called it an "oddball" system...... which it is http://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/smilies/redface.gif

[Stix]

what about horses last 2 starts 5th then 4th

e.g

854
154
x54

thanx in advance

that was another one from dadAnother one I've seen is a 5th in last two starts with an equal or worse run in those two starts, regardless of spells etc, and where more than two - no bet

e.g.

x05
5x5
256
075
695
957

[peakester]

My dad always used to back all horses with form 65 or 56 in last two starts. I'm sure it was not a great strategy, but it did produce some good dividends. A neighbour's friend follows horses that have dropped 3+ kgs from their previous run.

Cheers

[wesmip1]

(a) Take all horses with form figures 11 (last two runs this time in) MISS its next race, then back it 1 unit win next TWO runs. (Maxi -Divi)

(b) Take all horses with form figures 11 (last two runs this time in) take a 1 unit all up (race to race, Maxi-Divi)) for it's next 3 runs. i.e. looking for the treble when a nag wins 5 in a row, (happens many times every season)
This will take me a while to code up .. I can do it just going to require me to code it rather than just run a quick select against the database.

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Returns 80% (loss of 20%)

Another one I've seen is a 5th in last two starts with an equal or worse run in those two starts, regardless of spells etc, and where more than two - no bet

Returns approx 75%.

back all horses with form 65 or 56 in last two starts
Returns approx 79%

follows horses that have dropped 3+ kgs from their previous run.

Returns 72%.

Good Luck.

[Chuck]

all horses with formline x1 ???

[wesmip1]

all horses with formline x1 ???
Returns 90% from 5152 bets.
Returns 84% for place.

Good Luck.

[ubetido]

Hi all

Darky the concept may be worth investigating further.

By looking at the market and only getting involved where there are only 3 the market wants with a good gap to the 4th fav.
eg

2.4
3.2
4.8
9.8
12.0 etc

One of the first three win 90% of the time.

Cheers
ubetido

[Stix]

This will take me a while to code up .. I can do it just going to require me to code it rather than just run a quick select against the database.

<!-- / message -->
Returns 80% (loss of 20%)


Returns approx 75%.


Returns approx 79%


Returns 72%.

Good Luck.
Good work Wesmip....... makes this kind of thread fun !

[breadman]

Yeh a thanx from me too with your figures too wesmip.

Regards breadman

[darkydog2002]

With a $1000 bank I would go 15/10/7 flat stakes using a internet bookmaker at FIXED prices .

Cheers.
darky

[darkydog2002]

Thanks .

Its food for thought isn,t it?

Some of these ideas might bear fruit for someone.I hope so.

Cheers .
darky.

[partypooper]

Darky, Reply from IAS
Dear John,

Thank you for your email.

Kindly note that we no longer offer top fluc with a minimum price stipulation. We used to offer this type of price. However, the new system will not allow it. A business decision was then made not to re-introduce this product.

I apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused and any misinformation you may have received.

If I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind Regards

Amy Harris
Customer Services Manager
Canbet Sports Bookmakers UK Ltd

Shucks too good to be true I guess?

[darkydog2002]

Thanks for that.

Cheers.
darky.

[darkydog2002]

21 or 12

TOP WIN % ( minimum 33 %)

TOP AVERAGE PRIZEMONEY

Cheers.
darky

[wesmip1]

darky,

Don't ahve time to run it tonight as I am off to poker shortly and have to have some dinner and get ready.

I'll run it for you tommorrow.

Good Luck.

[ubetido]

Hi

Wesmip1

If its ok and possible i and maybe the forum would be interested any stats you may have on numbers 1 and 2

Amount of races
number of wins
average price

I once read there was little between these two numbers strike rate wise, but both had encountered long outs of 50 or more at some stage.

When i looked a bit closer some time ago many were outside market expectations in that group.

Cheers
ubetido

[Chuck]

hey wesmip, if its not too much trouble do you think you could test these for me?

Race 1000-1100m
Horse is first up

Race 1000-1100m
Horse is first up
Highest Average Prizemoney

Race 1000-1100m
Horse is first up
Won at track and distance

Race 1000-1100m
Horse is first up
Won at track and distance
Highest Average Prizemoney


thanks a lot, love the work you are doing

[wesmip1]

All,

I am back from poker ( got 13th out of 134 players so went ok ). I am pretty tired though and full of the flu so I will fire up the database tommorrow night and run through all the requests.

I still need to code up the test for partypooper too (I haven't forgot just busy).

If you want anymore test just post them.

Maybe ( and its a big maybe) if I get a chance I will download the radio tips + tipsters tips and late mail from unitab on the weekend (for the last 3 years). I will then be able to test systems that use those as critiera. NO promises at this stage though as I haven't even started the code to grab that at all.

Good Luck

[darkydog2002]

Thanks for that.
My worry is that the selections will be too short in the betting to make a profit but here is hoping

Cheers.
darky..

[wesmip1]

21 or 12

TOP WIN % ( minimum 33 %)

TOP AVERAGE PRIZEMONEY
Returns 86% at a 30% strike rate.


numbers 1 and 2

Amount of races
number of wins
average price
These results are after scratchings ... Thus the number of selections is different.

Number 1:
Selections :29093
Winners : 4975 ( Strike Rate 17% )
ROT : 80%

Number 2:
Selections : 29536
Winners : 4454 ( Strike Rate 15% )
ROT : 87%

Number 3:
Selections : 29594
Winners : 3778 ( Strike Rate 13% )
ROT : 80%

Number 4:
Selections : 29635
Winners : 3504 ( Strike Rate 12% )
ROT : 82%

[wesmip1]

Race 1000-1100m
Horse is first up

Returns 76%


Race 1000-1100m
Horse is first up
Highest Average Prizemoney

returns 78%


Race 1000-1100m
Horse is first up
Won at track and distance

returns 73%



Race 1000-1100m
Horse is first up
Won at track and distance
Highest Average Prizemoney

Returns 69%

Good Luck.

[blownhemi]

So I guess we all just throw our life savings on Horse 14 in barrier 14 who has last starts of 54 and who is 3kgs lighter.......yeah :|

[wesmip1]

blownhemi,

I have posted some profitable systems in their own thread with results .. latest one was the WOW system.

Do a search you will find a few that are in profit.

Good Luck.

[KaiserSoze]

Wesmip, your contributions are invaluable indeed!

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but since you're answering a few queries in this thread I was wondering if it wouldn't be too much trouble to fire up your thingamebob and give this a whirl:

(1) 10 or less starters
(2) UniTAB 100 points
(3) 54.5kg, 55kg, 55.5kg weight
(4) Good and Fast tracks only
(5) No maidens or jumps

Was just fiddling with my filters and the above showed a very interesting result. I'd like to know whether it's just an anomaly due to my selection process, a coincidence of the past 7-8 weeks since I've been tracking, or if there was maybe something there.

Cheers.

[wesmip1]

KaiserSoze,

As requested:


(1) 10 or less starters
(2) UniTAB 100 points
(3) 54.5kg, 55kg, 55.5kg weight
(4) Good and Fast tracks only
(5) No maidens or jumps

Returns 86%.

[ubetido]

Hi

Thanks for that Wesmip1.

I am not sure if you can but are you able to see if at any of the meetings for the day of horse racing

were there any that a number 1 or 2 did not have a win.

So if 32 races for the day in total did a number 1 or 2 not win at all for the day.

Cheers
ubetido

[wesmip1]

So if 32 races for the day in total did a number 1 or 2 not win at all for the day.

This happens for Number 1 approx 4-6 times a year.
This happens to number 2 approx 6-10 times a year.

So the answer is yes it happens but not very likely.

[ubetido]

Great thanks for that Wesmip1 much appreciated.

Cheers
ubetido

[partypooper]

ubetido, this reminds me of a system called "The old 1,2", this is taking the prepost fav as the bet IF it is TAB no1 OR 2, AND finished 1st or 2nd last start, (OR 1st up over 1200 metres or less) if not, take the 2nd (or joint) pre-post fav. if it is TAB no1 OR 2, AND finished 1st or 2nd last start.(OR 1st up over 1200 metres or less)

It is rare not to get at least one winner on any given day, though if you have target betting in mind, remember "beware"

PS. It is important that you always use the same source of pre-post fav.

[Stix]

Horse 14 from Barrier 14...... :o
Not hard to get the exotics either..... :eek:


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[darkydog2002]

How about.

Top 4 propun newsletter horses.

Eliminate the LOWEST priced horse.

For the 3 remaining $15/$10/$7

Cheers.
darky.

[darkydog2002]

2 YO

TOP WEIGHT

FAV.

WON LAST START

SAME DISTANCE

SAME JOCKEY.