2006 MELBOURNE CUP 3200M

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2ND DECLARATION

Horse Trainer Weight Pen

1 YEATS (IRE) Aidan O'Brien 59
2 DELTA BLUES (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii 56
3 LAD OF THE MANOR (NZ) Roger Hoysted 56
4 IMPERIAL STRIDE (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 55.5
5 RAILINGS John Hawkes 55.5
6 ROMAN ARCH Robbie Laing 55
7 OUR SMOKING JOE Lee Freedman 54.5
8 GEORDIELAND (FR) Jamie Osborne 54
9 HEADTURNER John Hawkes 54
10 GRAND ZULU Gwenda Markwell 53.5
11 SHORT PAUSE (GB) David Hayes 53.5
12 TAWQEET (USA) David Hayes 53.5 1.0
13 ACTIVATION (NZ) Graeme Rogerson 53
14 LAND 'N STARS (GB) Jamie Poulton 53
15 MAHTOUM Kim Waugh 53
16 ON A JEUNE Peter Montgomerie 53
17 POP ROCK (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii 53
18 CARTE DIAMOND (USA) Brian Ellison 52.5
19 DEFINING (GB) David Hayes 52.5
20 ENVOY (NZ) Ken Kelso 52.5
21 SERENADE ROSE Lee Freedman 52.5
22 WUNDERWOOD (USA) David Elsworth 52.5
23 ZIPPING Graeme Rogerson 52.5 1.0
24 DIZELLE John Hawkes 52
25 ICE CHARIOT Ron Maund 52
26 KERRY O'REILLY (NZ) Jim Gibbs 52
27 PENTANE (NZ) Lance O'Sullivan 52
28 TESTAFIABLE Peter G Moody 52
29 ZABEAT (NZ) Donna Logan 52
30 ART SUCCESS (NZ) John Collins 51.5
31 BLACK TOM Frank Maynard 51.5
32 STORMHILL Tim Martin 51.5
33 CATS FUN Michael Grant 51
34 COUNT RICARDO Stephen Theodore 51
35 DEMERGER Danny O'Brien 51
36 FOORAM (NZ) John O'Shea 51
37 GLISTENING (GB) Luca Cumani 51
38 JAGGER (GB) David Hayes 51
39 PANTANI (NZ) Robbie Laing 51
40 ACCUMULATE (NZ) Bart Cummings 50.5
41 CEFALU (CHI) Lee Freedman 50.5
42 EXALTED TIME Jim Smith 50.5
43 KING JOHNY (NZ) Raymond Connors 50.5
44 MEN AT WORK (NZ) John O'Shea 50.5
45 SOULACROIX (GB) Luca Cumani 50.5
46 DOLPHIN JO Terry & Karina O'Sullivan 50
47 FIELD HUNTER Darren Weir 50
48 MANDELA (NZ) Richard Yuill 50
49 MAYBE BETTER Brian Mayfield-Smith 50
50 SARRERA Michael Moroney 50
51 SPHENOPHYTA (NZ) Lee Freedman 50
52 VANQUISHED Bede Murray 50
53 BASTO MAN John McArdle 49.5
54 DERRINGER John Salanitri 49.5
55 DI'S ANGEL Lee Freedman 49.5
56 DRACS BACK Darren Weir 49.5
57 EXALTED EGO Jim Smith 49.5
58 FORCE NINE Cliff Brown 49.5
59 GENEBEL Michael Moroney 49.5
60 ISTA KAREEM (NZ) Jeremy Gask 49.5
61 KERASHAN (IRE) Saeed Bin Suroor 49.5
62 LANCETTIER (ARG) David Hayes 49.5
63 LORD ERIN (NZ) Grant Dalziel 49.5
64 MAGIC INSTINCT (GB) Peter G Moody 49.5
65 MI CASA Bart Cummings 49.5
66 OLD MYSTIQUE Bede Murray 49.5
67 ON THE UP John Hawkes 49.5
68 PROFESSIONAL LADY Lee Freedman 49.5
69 REV EM UP (NZ) Kevin Corstens 49.5
70 SENTIRE (NZ) Robbie Laing 49.5
71 SIAMUN Tony Vasil 49.5
72 SPECIAL SCENE Dan O'Sullivan 49.5
73 THE BAVARIAN Colin Little 49.5
74 TICK BY Lee Freedman 49.5
75 VALKYRIE DIVA Lee Freedman 49.5
76 VENGO (NZ) Lee Freedman 49.5
77 VITESSE DANE Kris Lees 49.5
78 LOANHEAD (NZ) Peter G Moody 49
79 SCULPTOR (NZ) Peter Mckenzie 49
80 DREAM THE DREAM Jamie Edwards 48.5
81 IRAZU Steve Richards 48.5
82 AZNAVOUR (NZ) Danny O'Brien 48
83 GOTHIC MARIAN David Hayes 48
84 MR DANE (NZ) John Hawkes 48
85 PAVLOVA Cliff Brown 48
86 PURDE (NZ) David Hayes 48
87 ROANOKE Anthony Cummings 48
88 SAVLATE (NZ) Lee Freedman 48
89 STOP THE TRAFFIC (NZ) John Hawkes 48
90 VICTORY SWEEP Peter Healey 48

[Mav3000]

Passed ballot clause as of 10 Oct 2006: Total 58

1 YEATS (IRE) (Aidan O'Brien) 6 h 59.0
2 DELTA BLUES (JPN) (Katsuhiko Sumii) 6 h 56.0
3 RAILINGS (John Hawkes) 5 g 55.5
4 SERENADE ROSE (Lee Freedman) 4 m 52.5
5 HEADTURNER (John Hawkes) 4 g 54.0
6 IMPERIAL STRIDE (GB) (Saeed bin Suro) 6 h 55.5
7 ROMAN ARCH (Robbie Laing) 8 g 55.0
8 OUR SMOKING JOE (Lee Freedman) 6 g 54.5
9 GEORDIELAND (FR) (Jamie Osborne) 6 h 54.0
10 DIZELLE (John Hawkes) 5 m 52.0
11 TESTAFIABLE (Peter Moody) 4 h 52.0
12 TAWQEET (USA) (David Hayes) 5 h 53.5 (inc 1.0kg pen)
13 ICE CHARIOT (Ron Maund) 4 g 52.0
14 SHORT PAUSE (GB) (David Hayes) 8 h 53.5
15 POP ROCK (JPN) (Katsuhiko Sumii) 6 h 53.0
16 ON A JEUNE (Peter Montgomerie) 6 g 53.0
17 MAHTOUM (Kim Waugh) 7 g 53.0
18 ACTIVATION (NZ) (Graeme Rogerson) 5 g 53.0
19 LAND 'N STARS (GB) (Jamie Poulton) 7 g 53.0
20 DEMERGER (Danny O'Brien) 6 m 51.0
21 ENVOY (NZ) (Ken Kelso) 8 g 52.5
22 CATS FUN (Michael Grant) 4 g 51.0
23 DEFINING (GB) (David Hayes) 8 g 52.5
24 CARTE DIAMOND (USA) (Brian Ellison) 6 h 52.5
25 WUNDERWOOD (USA) (David Elsworth) 8 g 52.5
26 ZABEAT (NZ) (Donna Logan) 7 g 52.0
27 PENTANE (NZ) (Lance O'Sullivan) 5 g 52.0
28 KERRY O'REILLY (NZ) (Jim Gibbs) 6 g 52.0
29 ART SUCCESS (NZ) (John Collins) 5 g 51.5
30 BLACK TOM (Frank Maynard) 6 h 51.5
31 STORMHILL (Tim Martin) 5 h 51.5
32 DOLPHIN JO (Terry O'Sullivan) 4 g 50.0
33 DREAM THE DREAM (Jamie Edwards) 4 m 48.5
34 COUNT RICARDO (Stephen Theodore) 5 g 51.0
35 FOORAM (NZ) (John O'Shea) 6 g 51.0
36 GLISTENING (GB) (Luca Cumani) 5 h 51.0
37 PANTANI (NZ) (Robbie Laing) 8 g 51.0
38 JAGGER (GB) (David Hayes) 7 g 51.0
39 VITESSE DANE (Kris Lees) 5 m 49.5
40 EXALTED TIME (Jim Smith) 7 h 50.5
41 MEN AT WORK (NZ) (John O'Shea) 6 g 50.5
42 SCULPTOR (NZ) (Peter McKenzie) 4 h 49.0
43 KING JOHNY (NZ) (Raymond Connors) 5 g 50.5
44 ACCUMULATE (NZ) (Bart Cummings) 5 g 50.5
45 CEFALU (CHI) (Lee Freedman) 5 g 50.5
46 LOANHEAD (NZ) (Peter Moody) 4 g 49.0
47 PROFESSIONAL LADY (Lee Freedman) 6 m 49.5
48 FIELD HUNTER (Darren Weir) 5 g 50.0
49 SARRERA (Michael Moroney) 6 g 50.0
50 VANQUISHED (Bede Murray) 7 g 50.0
51 MANDELA (NZ) (Richard Yuill) 5 g 50.0
52 IRAZU (Steve Richards) 4 g 48.5
53 GOTHIC MARIAN (David Hayes) 4 m 48.0
54 DERRINGER (John Salanitri) 8 g 49.5
55 VENGO (NZ) (Lee Freedman) 5 h 49.5
56 TICK BY (Lee Freedman) 5 m 49.5
57 ISTA KAREEM (NZ) Jeremy Gask) 6 g 49.5
58 SPECIAL SCENE (Dan O'Sullivan) 8 g 49.5

[Mav3000]

Not passed ballot clause as of 10 Oct 2006: Total 32

59 LAD OF THE MANOR (NZ) (Roger Hoysted) 7 g 56.0
60 GRAND ZULU (Gwenda Markwell) 6 g 53.5
61 ZIPPING (Graeme Rogerson) 5 g 52.5 (inc 1.0kg pen)
62 MAYBE BETTER (Brian Mayfield-Smith) 4 g 50.0
63 SOULACROIX (GB) (Luca Cumani) 6 g 50.5
64 SPHENOPHYTA (NZ) (Lee Freedman) 6 g 50.0
65 PURDE (NZ) (David Hayes) 4 m 48.0
66 MI CASA (Bart Cummings) 5 g 49.5
67 EXALTED EGO (Jim Smith) 5 g 49.5
68 LANCETTIER (ARG) (David Hayes) 7 h 49.5
69 DI'S ANGEL (Lee Freedman) 5 m 49.5
70 OLD MYSTIQUE (Bede Murray) 6 g 49.5
71 KERASHAN (IRE) (Saeed bin Suroor) 5 g 49.5
72 VALKYRIE DIVA (Lee Freedman) 5 m 49.5
73 SAVLATE (NZ) (Lee Freedman) 4 g 48.0
74 VICTORY SWEEP (Peter Healey) 4 g 48.0
75 LORD ERIN (NZ) (Grant Dalziel) 8 g 49.5
76 MAGIC INSTINCT (GB) (Peter Moody) 5 g 49.5
77 PAVLOVA (Cliff Brown) 4 m 48.0
78 SIAMUN (Tony Vasil) 6 h 49.5
79 DRAC'S BACK (Darren Weir) 5 g 49.5
80 AZNAVOUR (NZ) (Danny O'Brien) 4 g 48.0
81 SENTIRE (NZ) (Robbie Laing) 5 g 49.5
82 REV EM UP (NZ) (Kevin Corstens) 6 g 49.5
83 GENEBEL (Michael Moroney) 6 m 49.5
84 BASTO MAN (John McArdle) 5 g 49.5
85 THE BAVARIAN (Colin Little) 5 g 49.5
86 ON THE UP (John Hawkes) 5 g 49.5
87 FORCE NINE (Cliff Brown) 5 g 49.5
88 ROANOKE (Anthony Cummings) 4 h 48.0
89 STOP THE TRAFFIC (NZ) (John Hawkes) 4 g 48.0
90 MR DANE (NZ) (John Hawkes) 4 g 48.0

[Mav3000]

Horse Win Place
YEATS $7.00 $2.50
TAWQEET $9.00 $3.00
HEADTURNER $11.00 $3.50
ON A JEUNE $11.00 $3.50
RAILINGS $11.00 $3.50
SPHENOPHYTA $11.00 $3.50
OUR SMOKING JOE $13.00 $4.00
ZIPPING $13.00 $4.00
ACTIVATION $15.00 $4.50
IMPERIAL STRIDE $17.00 $5.00
GEORDIELAND $21.00 $6.00
SERENADE ROSE $21.00 $6.00
PENTANE $26.00 $7.25
POP ROCK $26.00 $7.25
DIZELLE $31.00 $8.50
ACCUMULATE $41.00 $11.00
ART SUCCESS $41.00 $11.00
DELTA BLUES $41.00 $11.00
DRACS BACK $41.00 $11.00
GLISTENING $41.00 $11.00
ICE CHARIOT $41.00 $11.00
JAGGER $41.00 $11.00
WUNDERWOOD $41.00 $11.00
GRAND ZULU $51.00 $13.50
LAND N STARS $61.00 $16.00
TESTAFIABLE $61.00 $16.00
BLACK TOM $71.00 $18.50
KERRY OREILLY $71.00 $18.50
SIAMUN $71.00 $18.50
ZABEAT $71.00 $18.50
MAGIC INSTINCT $81.00 $21.00
PURDE $81.00 $21.00
VANQUISHED $81.00 $21.00
SOULACROIX $101.00 $26.00
CATS FUN $151.00 $38.50
DEMERGER $151.00 $38.50
DOLPHIN JO $151.00 $38.50
FOORAM $151.00 $38.50
IRAZU $151.00 $38.50
MAHTOUM $151.00 $38.50
PROFESSIONAL LADY $151.00 $38.50
SHORT PAUSE $151.00 $38.50
VITESSE DANE $151.00 $38.50
CEFALU $201.00 $51.00
DEFINING $201.00 $51.00
ENVOY $201.00 $51.00
LAD OF THE MANOR $201.00 $51.00
SARRERA $201.00 $51.00
STORMHILL $201.00 $51.00
VALKYRIE DIVA $201.00 $51.00
VENGO $201.00 $51.00
AZNAVOUR $301.00 $76.00
BASTO MAN $301.00 $76.00
DERRINGER $301.00 $76.00
DIS ANGEL $301.00 $76.00
DREAM THE DREAM $301.00 $76.00
EXALTED EGO $301.00 $76.00
EXALTED TIME $301.00 $76.00
FIELD HUNTER $301.00 $76.00
FORCE NINE $301.00 $76.00
GENEBEL $301.00 $76.00
GOTHIC MARIAN $301.00 $76.00
ISTA KAREEM $301.00 $76.00
KERASHAN $301.00 $76.00
KING JOHNY $301.00 $76.00
LANCETTIER $301.00 $76.00
LOANHEAD $301.00 $76.00
LORD ERIN $301.00 $76.00
MANDELA $301.00 $76.00
MAYBE BETTER $301.00 $76.00
MEN AT WORK $301.00 $76.00
MI CASA $301.00 $76.00
MR DANE $301.00 $76.00
OLD MYSTIQUE $301.00 $76.00
ON THE UP $301.00 $76.00
PANTANI $301.00 $76.00
PAVLOVA $301.00 $76.00
REV EM UP $301.00 $76.00
ROANOKE $301.00 $76.00
ROMAN ARCH $301.00 $76.00
SAVLATE $301.00 $76.00
SCULPTOR $301.00 $76.00
SENTIRE $301.00 $76.00
SPECIAL SCENE $301.00 $76.00
STOP THE TRAFFIC $301.00 $76.00
THE BAVARIAN $301.00 $76.00
TICK BY $301.00 $76.00
VICTORY SWEEP $301.00 $76.00

[Mav3000]

On A Jeune my top early fancy. Set for this race after running 2nd last year & goes up only 2kg on that run.

[roman@oz]

Early tip TAWQEET. Has already found his northern hemisphere (top) staying form in the southern hemisphere, which is a rarity. 2 miles will suit him to a tee.

[slowseriousstab]

Often rains Cup day? might be worth considering wet track form!

[Raw Instinct]

I had a bit on Railings at the $34 they offered the first weekend of betting and that is the only bet I have had for the cup this year it is a tough race to sort out so far this year in years past I had a fair idea what I was backing for the cup a month or so before hand this year might be a that day decision they are a very even bunch of horses IMO whoever gets the right run will probably win if they can stay at all.

If someone held a gun to my head and asked for selections I guess I would go with something like this

Railings
On A Jeune
Tawqeet
Pentane
Art Success

[horsewithnoname]

only bet I've had so far in this is Yeats (like many other punters already)
concerned with the off-again on-again intention of running in the big one as well as the procrastinated trip to get here also the jockey saga.....I've looked at Railings (great chance in CC) but his 14th in last years MC has put me off...On A Jeune, Tawqeet do look genuine chances...although Art Success is a 2 mile winner the MC will be a huge class rise on that win...will have some on the lightly raced Pentane his Auckland Cup win was outstanding and in addition he is a son of Pentire, who is also the sire of Xcellent who ran 3rd in last years MC

[Matilda]

I am going for Activation. Aspect him to run well in CC. Going for double on Pop rock-Activation and OSJ-Activation.

[goldmember]

Have liked HEAD TURNER and TAWQEET for sometime now,not going jump ship now, they will stay all day.

[catweazle]

The enzedders Pentane & Zabeat!

[Raw Instinct]

only bet I've had so far in this is Yeats (like many other punters already)
concerned with the off-again on-again intention of running in the big one as well as the procrastinated trip to get here also the jockey saga.....I've looked at Railings (great chance in CC) but his 14th in last years MC has put me off...On A Jeune, Tawqeet do look genuine chances...although Art Success is a 2 mile winner the MC will be a huge class rise on that win...will have some on the lightly raced Pentane his Auckland Cup win was outstanding and in addition he is a son of Pentire, who is also the sire of Xcellent who ran 3rd in last years MC

Don't worry about Railings last year he got blocked that many times at the top of the straight he had no chance was one of the few you cou8ld have made an excuse for last year the other was the runner up On A Jeune who got the run that Railings was still trying to get after being held up for about 100m

[mjr]

new to the forum,so here goes. PURDE, 80-1 tab fixed odds. only about 50th in order of entry but i reckon it is a great each way chance if it gets a run.Great run last week in the Winning Edge behind stablemate Growl.

[Horse Mad]

The Japanese pair Pop Rock & Delta Blues are reportedly the best to come down to Oz from that country. Have been set for the big one with both racing today in Caulfield Cup as a lead-up race. I've already backed them both for the MC just in case either do well today (and the odds come in).

[Horse Mad]

This mornings market (50/1 & under)

TAWQEET 5.50 2.12
YEATS 6.00 2.25
POP ROCK 7.00 2.50
DELTA BLUES 8.00 2.75
ON A JEUNE 11.00 3.50
ACTIVATION 13.00 4.00
DIZELLE 13.00 4.00
RAILINGS 13.00 4.00
GEORDIELAND 21.00 6.00
OUR SMOKING JOE 21.00 6.00
ACCUMULATE 26.00 7.25
ZIPPING 26.00 7.25
HEADTURNER 31.00 8.50
JAGGER 31.00 8.50
PENTANE 31.00 8.50
ART SUCCESS 41.00 11.00
GRAND ZULU 41.00 11.00
WUNDERWOOD 41.00 11.00
DRACS BACK 51.00 13.50

[Horse Mad]

The Japanese pair Pop Rock & Delta Blues are reportedly the best to come down to Oz from that country. Have been set for the big one with both racing today in Caulfield Cup as a lead-up race. I've already backed them both for the MC just in case either do well today (and the odds come in).

Glad I got in when I did! Pop Rock has firmed from 25/1 to 6/1 & Delta Blues from 40/1 to 7/1!

Had them both ew yesterday - $32.50 for the place Delta Blues! thank you very much :)

Delta Blues (3rd) didn't sprint with them when the runs started to come just before the turn but got going again & he went home well - it was a great Melbourne Cup run! Pop Rock (7th) didn't look to handle Caulfield all that well & will be better off at Flemington. Bring on the big one!!

[Chuck]

I just backed Activation ($5.00) and On A Jeune ($5.50) for the place on betfair, pretty good value i think. i also like Lad of the Manor $11.50 is nice in the cox plate

[Chuck]

i've just had a look at the cc a few times and Pop Rock's run was very very good...i think it will really be suited by the 2 miles at Flemington and have taken $11.00 about it...delta blues at 12s looks ok too

[Horse Whisperer]

im sticking with our smoking joe and doing a rain dance from now till the race jumps :P
might have the $20 ive bet with a bloke at work that osj will beat sphenophyta in the mc, on the new odds being offered. (sphenophyta wont run, its been sent for a spell for those that dont know)

[Dale]

I'm sticking with 3 of the 4 i liked in the Caulfield Cup,Activation looks like it wont get the distance so its Tawqeet,Delat Blues and Pop Rock at this stage.

Yeats has to be respected and i liked the run of Jagger the other day,does anyone have an opinion on Jagger,could it be the bolter?.

I really cant understand how anyone can consider Our Smoking Joe,it has had 45 starts and and has never won a group one,to think it can turn it around it the cup is laughable.

The cup is almost always won by the classiest horse who has yet to reach its peak,OSJ has no chance.

[Happychap]

Wouldn't be surprised if connections have given up on Jagger tackling the MC. They were really counting on him winning the Winning Edge Stakes earlier this month (wasn't a bad run) and he'll likely get a penalty should he win a remaining lead-up race.

[Tubby]

OSJ has no chance.I am inclined to agree but mainly because I don't think it got the distance on Saturday and think it has a snow flake's chance in hell of running 3200m. Perhaps if it got a quiet sit on a really fast pace.....nah no chance.

[Horse Whisperer]

im not gunna argue the point with you guys about wether he will make the 3200 or not, but all im gunna say is, if your that sure he wont do it, then go lay it on betfair for me at 50-1. you can take my money off me if your that sure it wont get there :)

[AdriamnT]

Tawqeet has received a 2kg penalty for winning the Caulfield Cup.
Will now carry 55.5kg in the Melbourne Cup.

[go4it]

Bensley just said on Sky racing news that OSJ is out of the MC.

[Horse Whisperer]

well that sucks!! damnit :D

[Northern]

I like the run of the Dizelle on the Weekend im looking forward to the MC now?

[Tubby]

well that sucks!! damnit :DHe is off to the Cox plate now HW. Do you think he is a chance?

[Horse Whisperer]

He is off to the Cox plate now HW. Do you think he is a chance?

NO. Not a hope against rtw and el segundo. I think they have way to much turn of foot for him. Really didnt think he was any hope in the caulfield cup either. I thought he was looking for the 3200. I really liked his caulfield cup run, he was plugging on well in the finish and from what i saw was getting some ground back on A.D., and the check from Tawqeet cost him prob a length in the finish. If you watch the replay, and the above shot it really highlights that. Im not saying he was gunna catch A.D because he definitely wasnt, but he would have finished closer than the end result.

Oh well, i guess back to the drawing board. HAHA thats racing tho isnt it.

I know alot of ppl here didnt regard it any hope in the cup, but i guess its the case of if you like a horse noone can convince you to get off, if you hate it, you couldnt be convinced to get on.

[Horse Whisperer]

Just read this:
Monday, 23 October 2006: Sydney mare Aqua D'Amore will be there but Caulfield Cup failure Our Smoking Joe and the three-year-old Excites will be missing when the final field for the $3 million Tattersall's W.S. Cox Plate is declared on Tuesday morning.

Lee Freedman today ruled out the Cox Plate for Our Smoking Joe but has nominated the stayer for Saturday's Cathay Pacific Cup following his sixth in the Caulfield Cup.

[AdriamnT]

He is off to the Cox plate now HW. Do you think he is a chance?


Thought more chance Cox than the Cup but the Cathay Pacific Cup probably a better option than the Cox.

[Horse Whisperer]

now they are reporting he is a definite starter as was said earlier with beadman aboard and is still definitely in the cup.

[go4it]

Are you sure HW?
Bensleys info is usually spot on.

[Horse Whisperer]

yeah i know it is go4it thats why i didnt question it. i saw the article on racing and sports.

the article origianlly said he wasnt goin to the cox plate but was still pushing to the mc, but then the owner called lee freedman back and said well run in both.

[Cheda]

Most surprised Nash Rawiller lost the ride on Delta Blues for the Melbourne Cup. Thought he rode that horse a treat in the Caulfield Cup!

[Northern]

Whats everyones Roughie for the MC cup? I did like Ice Chariot b4 it ran on Saturday and turned in a shocker!

[go4it]

Cheda,

think it's just the Japs wanting one of their own on it.

[Dale]

Most surprised Nash Rawiller lost the ride on Delta Blues for the Melbourne Cup. Thought he rode that horse a treat in the Caulfield Cup!


Being one that had 1st and 3rd in the quinella and Delta Blues each way i thought he cost it victory,he was 4 or 5 wide most of the trip and only pulled the whip when it was too late,the way the horse responded to the whip told me that if he went earlier after a cosier run it would have won by two lengths.

Thats taking nothing way from Tawqeet,it has a brilliant turn of foot.

[glenn101]

Early tip TAWQEET. Has already found his northern hemisphere (top) staying form in the southern hemisphere, which is a rarity. 2 miles will suit him to a tee.

Did you take him in a CC-MC double roman?

[Ozgunner]

Mandela got a 1kg penalty & has moved from 51 to 35 in the elimination order

[Ozgunner]

These horses have passed the balloting clause

1 YEATS (IRE) 6H (Aidan O'Brien) 59.0
2 DELTA BLUES (JPN) 6H (Katsuhiko Sumii) 56.0
3 RAILINGS 5G (John Hawkes) 55.5
4 TAWQEET (USA) 5H (David Hayes) 55.5
5 SERENADE ROSE 4M (Lee Freedman) 52.5
6 HEADTURNER 4G (John Hawkes) 54.0
7 IMPERIAL STRIDE (GB) 6H (Saeed Bin Suroor) 55.5
8 ROMAN ARCH 8G (Robbie Laing) 55.0
9 OUR SMOKING JOE 6G (Lee Freedman) 54.5
10 GEORDIELAND (FR) 6H (Jamie Osborne) 54.0
11 DIZELLE 5M (John Hawkes) 52.0
12 TESTAFIABLE 4H (Peter G Moody) 52.0
13 ICE CHARIOT 4G (Ron Maund) 52.0
14 SHORT PAUSE (GB) 8H (David Hayes) 53.5
15 POP ROCK (JPN) 6H (Katsuhiko Sumii) 53.0
16 ON A JEUNE 6G (Peter Montgomerie) 53.0
17 MAHTOUM 7G (Kim Waugh) 53.0
18 ACTIVATION (NZ) 5G (Graeme Rogerson) 53.0
19 LAND 'N STARS (GB) 7G (Jamie Poulton) 53.0
20 DEMERGER 6M (Danny O'Brien) 51.0
21 ENVOY (NZ) 8G (Ken Kelso) 52.5
22 CATS FUN 4G (Michael Grant) 51.0
23 DEFINING (GB) 8G (David Hayes) 52.5
24 WUNDERWOOD (USA) 8G (David Elsworth) 52.5
25 ZABEAT (NZ) 7G (Donna Logan) 52.0
26 PENTANE (NZ) 5G (Lance O'Sullivan) 52.0
27 KERRY O'REILLY (NZ) 6G (Jim Gibbs) 52.0
28 ART SUCCESS (NZ) 5G (John Collins) 51.5
29 BLACK TOM 6H (Frank Maynard) 51.5
30 STORMHILL 5H (Tim Martin) 51.5
31 DOLPHIN JO 4G (Terry O'Sullivan) 50.0
32 DREAM THE DREAM 4M (Jamie Edwards) 48.5
33 COUNT RICARDO 5G (Stephen Theodore) 51.0
34 FOORAM (NZ) 6G (John O'Shea) 51.0
35 MANDELA (NZ) 5G (Richard Yuill) 51.0
36 GLISTENING (GB) 5H (Luca Cumani) 51.0
37 PANTANI (NZ) 8G (Robbie Laing) 51.0
38 JAGGER (GB) 7G (David Hayes) 51.0
39 VITESSE DANE 5M (Kris Lees) 49.5
40 EXALTED TIME 7G (Jim Smith) 50.5
41 MEN AT WORK (NZ) 6G (John O'Shea) 50.5
42 SCULPTOR (NZ) 4H (Peter Mckenzie) 49.0
43 KING JOHNY (NZ) 5G (Raymond Connors) 50.5
44 ACCUMULATE (NZ) 5G (Bart Cummings) 50.5
45 CEFALU (CHI) 5G (Lee Freedman) 50.5
46 LOANHEAD (NZ) 4G (Peter G Moody) 49.0
47 SPHENOPHYTA (NZ) 6G (Lee Freedman) 50.0
48 PROFESSIONAL LADY 6M (Lee Freedman) 49.5
49 FIELD HUNTER 5G (Darren Weir) 50.0
50 SARRERA 6G (Michael Moroney) 50.0
51 VANQUISHED 7G (Bede Murray) 50.0
52 PURDE (NZ) 4M (David Hayes) 48.0
53 IRAZU 4G (Steve Richards) 48.5
54 GOTHIC MARIAN 4M (David Hayes) 48.0
55 DERRINGER 8G (John Salanitri) 49.5
56 VENGO (NZ) 5H (Lee Freedman) 49.5
57 TICK BY 5M (Lee Freedman) 49.5
58 ISTA KAREEM (NZ) 6G (Jeremy Gask) 49.5
59 DRACS BACK 5G (Darren Weir) 49.5
60 SIAMUN 6H (Tony Vasil) 49.5
61 SPECIAL SCENE 8G (Dan O'Sullivan) 49.5
62 ROANOKE 4H (Anthony Cummings) 48.0

[catweazle]

Zipping into 9/1 for the biggy after yesterdays impressive win.
just needs the sting out of the ground Cup day to have a genuine chance!

[ijuandaQLD]

ON a Jeune!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[STARRAFT]

Tawqeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Northern]

DIZELLE AT 50-1 BRING IT ON!

[blinkerz]

Pop Rock
On A Jeune
Tawqeet
Yeats

[Raw Instinct]

Something really worries me about the Japanese horses someone mentioned the other day they dfon't seem to be able to repeat performances close together they will have 2 weeks between the Caulfield Cup and the Melbourne Cup they might not backup.

Using Delta Blues form before the Caulfield Cup and he might be the one who could backup his runs were 22 days apart after which he had won the previous race over 3600m and dropped back to 2500m to be beaten 6.8 lengths by Hearts Cry an exceptional horse in it's own regard. A week short of 2 months later he is beaten 2.8 lengths over 2200m then almost a month later he is turned out to run 3rd to the japanese champ Deep Impact beaten 7.5 lengths then almost 6 weeks later he is well beaten by Deep Impact again 14.3 lengths this time though. Going over this he will be on his shortest backup from a gut busting run in the Caulfield Cup and it just might be a real big ask for him to turn around and do it again you have to remeber guys alot of these japanese horses are trained to run 2 or 3 times in a prep and produce there best right from the 1st start on the track.

Pop Rock might be a bit different case he had 4 runs last prep he won them all and had the following differences between his runs 7 days, just short of a month, and 15 days then he was turned out for about 4 months to be produced in the Caulfield Cup 1st up, Interestingly he has never won past 2500m nor below 2000m his sire won the Arc De Triomphe which is Helissio alot of his progeny have been known as complete headcases and the sire of the damn was Sunday Silence no great surprise considering it's success in Japan.

After looking at this the distance suits Delta Blues to a tee being a very tough one paced animal however the quick backup is a worry Pop Rock looks a slight query at the distance his only run beyond 2500m was a 6th placing beaten 6 lengths over 2600m however this was August 2004 so it is probably safe to throw that run away, Going from what we saw in the Caulfield Cup he had plenty to offer on the line.

After saying all this they are a chance for sure but I wouldn't be getting to confident with them yet remember Eye Popper was probably every bit as good a run as Delta Blues in last years Caulfield Cup and he was a major flop in the Melbourne Cup.

[Matilda]

At the moment I have Demerger, Tawqeet and Activation in my trifecta.

[Chuck]

i liked demerger a lot last year in the cup but can't have him on this prep :(

activation and pop rock for mine

[Horse Whisperer]

1 YEATS (IRE) 6H (Aidan O'Brien) 59.0

9 OUR SMOKING JOE 6G (Lee Freedman) 54.5

35 MANDELA (NZ) 5G (Richard Yuill) 51.0

these 3 will do me for the time being.

[westman]

As updated 23 Oct 06

These horses have passed the balloting clause

1 YEATS (IRE) 6H (Aidan O'Brien) 59.0
2 DELTA BLUES (JPN) 6H (Katsuhiko Sumii) 56.0
3 RAILINGS 5G (John Hawkes) 55.5
4 TAWQEET (USA) 5H (David Hayes) 55.5
5 SERENADE ROSE 4M (Lee Freedman) 52.5
6 HEADTURNER 4G (John Hawkes) 54.0
7 IMPERIAL STRIDE (GB) 6H (Saeed Bin Suroor) 55.5
8 ROMAN ARCH 8G (Robbie Laing) 55.0
9 OUR SMOKING JOE 6G (Lee Freedman) 54.5
10 GEORDIELAND (FR) 6H (Jamie Osborne) 54.0
11 DIZELLE 5M (John Hawkes) 52.0
12 TESTAFIABLE 4H (Peter G Moody) 52.0
13 ICE CHARIOT 4G (Ron Maund) 52.0
14 SHORT PAUSE (GB) 8H (David Hayes) 53.5
15 POP ROCK (JPN) 6H (Katsuhiko Sumii) 53.0
16 ON A JEUNE 6G (Peter Montgomerie) 53.0
17 MAHTOUM 7G (Kim Waugh) 53.0
18 ACTIVATION (NZ) 5G (Graeme Rogerson) 53.0
19 LAND 'N STARS (GB) 7G (Jamie Poulton) 53.0
20 DEMERGER 6M (Danny O'Brien) 51.0
21 ENVOY (NZ) 8G (Ken Kelso) 52.5
22 CATS FUN 4G (Michael Grant) 51.0
23 DEFINING (GB) 8G (David Hayes) 52.5
24 WUNDERWOOD (USA) 8G (David Elsworth) 52.5
25 ZABEAT (NZ) 7G (Donna Logan) 52.0
26 PENTANE (NZ) 5G (Lance O'Sullivan) 52.0
27 KERRY O'REILLY (NZ) 6G (Jim Gibbs) 52.0
28 ART SUCCESS (NZ) 5G (John Collins) 51.5
29 BLACK TOM 6H (Frank Maynard) 51.5
30 STORMHILL 5H (Tim Martin) 51.5
31 DOLPHIN JO 4G (Terry O'Sullivan) 50.0
32 DREAM THE DREAM 4M (Jamie Edwards) 48.5
33 COUNT RICARDO 5G (Stephen Theodore) 51.0
34 FOORAM (NZ) 6G (John O'Shea) 51.0
35 MANDELA (NZ) 5G (Richard Yuill) 51.0
36 GLISTENING (GB) 5H (Luca Cumani) 51.0
37 PANTANI (NZ) 8G (Robbie Laing) 51.0
38 JAGGER (GB) 7G (David Hayes) 51.0
39 VITESSE DANE 5M (Kris Lees) 49.5
40 EXALTED TIME 7G (Jim Smith) 50.5
41 MEN AT WORK (NZ) 6G (John O'Shea) 50.5
42 SCULPTOR (NZ) 4H (Peter Mckenzie) 49.0
43 KING JOHNY (NZ) 5G (Raymond Connors) 50.5
44 ACCUMULATE (NZ) 5G (Bart Cummings) 50.5
45 CEFALU (CHI) 5G (Lee Freedman) 50.5
46 LOANHEAD (NZ) 4G (Peter G Moody) 49.0
47 SPHENOPHYTA (NZ) 6G (Lee Freedman) 50.0
48 PROFESSIONAL LADY 6M (Lee Freedman) 49.5
49 FIELD HUNTER 5G (Darren Weir) 50.0
50 SARRERA 6G (Michael Moroney) 50.0
51 VANQUISHED 7G (Bede Murray) 50.0
52 PURDE (NZ) 4M (David Hayes) 48.0
53 IRAZU 4G (Steve Richards) 48.5
54 GOTHIC MARIAN 4M (David Hayes) 48.0
55 DERRINGER 8G (John Salanitri) 49.5
56 VENGO (NZ) 5H (Lee Freedman) 49.5
57 TICK BY 5M (Lee Freedman) 49.5
58 ISTA KAREEM (NZ) 6G (Jeremy Gask) 49.5
59 DRACS BACK 5G (Darren Weir) 49.5
60 SIAMUN 6H (Tony Vasil) 49.5
61 SPECIAL SCENE 8G (Dan O'Sullivan) 49.5
62 ROANOKE 4H (Anthony Cummings) 48.0


These horses have not passed the balloting clause

63 LAD OF THE MANOR (NZ) 7G (Roger Hoysted) 56.0
64 GRAND ZULU 6G (Gwenda Markwell) 53.5
65 ZIPPING 5G (Graeme Rogerson) 52.5
66 MAYBE BETTER 4G (Brian Mayfield-Smith) 50.0
67 SOULACROIX (GB) 6G (Luca Cumani) 50.5
68 MI CASA 5G (Bart Cummings) 49.5
69 EXALTED EGO 5G (Jim Smith) 49.5
70 LANCETTIER (ARG) 7H (David Hayes) 49.5
71 DI'S ANGEL 5M (Lee Freedman) 49.5
72 OLD MYSTIQUE 6G (Bede Murray) 49.5
73 KERASHAN (IRE) 5G (Saeed Bin Suroor) 49.5
74 VALKYRIE DIVA 5M (Lee Freedman) 49.5
75 SAVLATE (NZ) 4G (Lee Freedman) 48.0
76 ON THE UP 5G (John Hawkes) 49.5
77 VICTORY SWEEP 4G (Peter Healey) 48.0
78 LORD ERIN (NZ) 8G (Grant Dalziel) 49.5
79 MAGIC INSTINCT(GB) 5G (Peter G Moody) 49.5
80 PAVLOVA 4M (Cliff Brown) 48.0
81 AZNAVOUR (NZ) 4G (Danny O'Brien) 48.0
82 SENTIRE (NZ) 5G (Robbie Laing) 49.5
83 REV EM UP (NZ) 6G (Kevin Corstens) 49.5
84 GENEBEL 6M (Michael Moroney) 49.5
85 THE BAVARIAN 5G (Colin Little) 49.5
86 BASTO MAN 5G (John McArdle) 49.5
87 FORCE NINE 5G (Cliff Brown) 49.5
88 STOP THE TRAFFIC(NZ) 4G (John Hawkes) 48.0
89 MR DANE (NZ) 4G (John Hawkes) 48.0

[watsonnek]

1 ACCUMULATE (NZ) Bart Cummings 50.5
2 ACTIVATION (NZ) Graeme Rogerson 53
3 ART SUCCESS (NZ) John Collins 51.5
4 AZNAVOUR (NZ) Danny O'Brien 48
5 CEFALU (CHI) Lee Freedman 50.5
6 COUNT RICARDO Stephen Theodore 51
7 DEFINING (GB) David Hayes 52.5
8 DELTA BLUES (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii 56
9 DEMERGER Danny O'Brien 51
10 DIZELLE John Hawkes 52
11 DOLPHIN JO Terry & Karina O'Sullivan 50
12 DRACS BACK Darren Weir 49.5
13 FORCE NINE Cliff Brown 49.5
14 GENEBEL Michael Moroney 49.5
15 GEORDIELAND (FR) Jamie Osborne 54
16 GLISTENING (GB) Luca Cumani 51
17 GRAND ZULU Gwenda Markwell 53.5
18 HEADTURNER John Hawkes 54
19 ICE CHARIOT Ron Maund 52
20 IMPERIAL STRIDE (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 55.5
21 IRAZU Steve Richards 48.5
22 ISTA KAREEM (NZ) Jeremy Gask 49.5
23 JAGGER (GB) David Hayes 51
24 KERRY O'REILLY (NZ) Jim Gibbs 52
25 LAND 'N STARS (GB) Jamie Poulton 53
26 LOANHEAD (NZ) Peter G Moody 49
27 LORD ERIN (NZ) Grant Dalziel 49.5
28 MAGIC INSTINCT (GB) Peter G Moody 49.5
29 MAHTOUM Kim Waugh 53
30 MANDELA (NZ) Richard Yuill 51 1.0
31 MAYBE BETTER Brian Mayfield-Smith 50
32 ON A JEUNE Peter Montgomerie 53
33 ON THE UP John Hawkes 49.5
34 OUR SMOKING JOE Lee Freedman 54.5
35 PANTANI (NZ) Robbie Laing 51
36 POP ROCK (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii 53
37 PURDE (NZ) David Hayes 48
38 RAILINGS John Hawkes 55.5
39 ROANOKE Anthony Cummings 48
40 SARRERA Michael Moroney 50
41 SHORT PAUSE (GB) David Hayes 53.5
42 SOULACROIX (GB) Luca Cumani 50.5
43 SPECIAL SCENE Dan O'Sullivan 49.5
44 SPHENOPHYTA (NZ) Lee Freedman 50
45 TAWQEET (USA) David Hayes 55.5 3.0
46 VANQUISHED Bede Murray 50
47 WUNDERWOOD (USA) David Elsworth 52.5
48 YEATS (IRE) Aidan O'Brien 59
49 ZABEAT (NZ) Donna Logan 52
50 ZIPPING Graeme Rogerson 52.5

[watsonnek]

TAWQEET 5.00
YEATS 5.50
POP ROCK 7.50
DELTA BLUES 11.00
ZIPPING 11.00
DIZELLE 13.00
OUR SMOKING JOE 13.00
ACTIVATION 15.00
RAILINGS 15.00
GEORDIELAND 17.00
ON A JEUNE 17.00
MANDELA 26.00
HEADTURNER 31.00
ART SUCCESS 41.00
IMPERIAL STRIDE 41.00
VANQUISHED 41.00
KERRY OREILLY 41.00
GRAND ZULU 51.00
SPHENOPHYTA 51.00
GLISTENING 61.00
WUNDERWOOD 61.00
ZABEAT 71.00
DOLPHIN JO 81.00
ICE CHARIOT 81.00
MAYBE BETTER 81.00
ACCUMULATE 101.00
DEFINING 101.00
DRACS BACK 101.00
MAGIC INSTINCT 101.00
PURDE 101.00
SOULACROIX 101.00
DEMERGER 151.00
JAGGER 151.00
LAND N STARS 151.00
MAHTOUM 151.00
PANTANI 151.00
ROANOKE 201.00
SARRERA 201.00
AZNAVOUR 301.00
CEFALU 301.00
COUNT RICARDO 301.00
FORCE NINE 301.00
GENEBEL 301.00
IRAZU 301.00
LOANHEAD 301.00
LORD ERIN 301.00
ON THE UP 301.00
SHORT PAUSE 301.00
ISTA KAREEM 301.00
SPECIAL SCENE 301.00

[watsonnek]

Exempt Horses
1 TAWQEET (USA) 5H (David Hayes)


THESE HORSES HAVE PASSED BALLOTING CLAUSE

2 YEATS (IRE) 6H (Aidan O'Brien)
3 DELTA BLUES (JPN) 6H (Katsuhiko Sumii)
4 RAILINGS 5G (John Hawkes)
5 HEADTURNER 4G (John Hawkes)
6 IMPERIAL STRIDE (GB) 6H (Saeed Bin Suroor)
7 OUR SMOKING JOE 6G (Lee Freedman)
8 GEORDIELAND (FR) 6H (Jamie Osborne)
9 DIZELLE 5M (John Hawkes)
10 ICE CHARIOT 4G (Ron Maund)
11 SHORT PAUSE (GB) 8H (David Hayes)
12 POP ROCK (JPN) 6H (Katsuhiko Sumii)
13 ON A JEUNE 6G (Peter Montgomerie)
14 MAHTOUM 7G (Kim Waugh)
15 ACTIVATION (NZ) 5G (Graeme Rogerson)
16 LAND 'N STARS (GB) 7G (Jamie Poulton)
17 DEMERGER 6M (Danny O'Brien)
18 ZIPPING 5G (Graeme Rogerson)
19 DEFINING (GB) 8G (David Hayes)
20 WUNDERWOOD (USA) 8G (David Elsworth)
21 ZABEAT (NZ) 7G (Donna Logan)
22 KERRY O'REILLY (NZ) 6G (Jim Gibbs)
23 ART SUCCESS (NZ) 5G (John Collins)
24 DOLPHIN JO 4G (Terry O'Sullivan)
25 COUNT RICARDO 5G (Stephen Theodore)
26 MANDELA (NZ) 5G (Richard Yuill)
27 GLISTENING (GB) 5H (Luca Cumani)
28 PANTANI (NZ) 8G (Robbie Laing)
29 JAGGER (GB) 7G (David Hayes)
30 ACCUMULATE (NZ) 5G (Bart Cummings)
31 CEFALU (CHI) 5G (Lee Freedman)
32 LOANHEAD (NZ) 4G (Peter G Moody)
33 SPHENOPHYTA (NZ) 6G (Lee Freedman)
34 SARRERA 6G (Michael Moroney)
35 VANQUISHED 7G (Bede Murray)
36 PURDE (NZ) 4M (David Hayes)
37 IRAZU 4G (Steve Richards)
38 DRACS BACK 5G (Darren Weir)
39 ISTA KAREEM (NZ) 6G (Jeremy Gask)
40 SPECIAL SCENE 8G (Dan O'Sullivan)
41 ROANOKE 4H (Anthony Cummings)

THESE HORSES HAVE NOT PASSED BALLOTING CLAUSE

42 GRAND ZULU 6G (Gwenda Markwell)
43 MAYBE BETTER 4G (Brian Mayfield-Smith)
44 SOULACROIX (GB) 6G (Luca Cumani)
45 ON THE UP 5G (John Hawkes)
46 LORD ERIN (NZ) 8G (Grant Dalziel)
47 MAGIC INSTINCT(GB) 5G (Peter G Moody)
48 AZNAVOUR (NZ) 4G (Danny O'Brien)
49 GENEBEL 6M (Michael Moroney)
50 FORCE NINE 5G (Cliff Brown)

[mjr]

Still alive with PURDE, but is trying to get in through the MACKINNON. Anyone give me a hope or just wishful thinking.

[Matilda]

Hi mjr,

There is always a hope with Hayes horse at the moment!!! He is on the role. Purde might even win the MC as what you can see on Cox and CC where outsider both trained by Hayes won!!!

[WAOS]

Was on On A Jeune last year & I'm on again this year.
Liked the run of Delta Blues in the CC. Should handle the extra distance.
Also on Kerry O'Reilly e/w.

[Horse Whisperer]

Anyone have any thoughts on any runs from this weekend?? I personally wasnt to impressed with zipping, which from what ive read has been the general concensus. Are there any Australian horses that can win the race this yr?? Im still doing my rain dance, hoping it will start pouring at about 10am next tuesday morning. Dumps 50-100mm untill racetime. But hey, im talking out of my pocket :P

[Even Stevens]

Yeats
Geordieland
Tawqeet
Zabeat

[Northern]

Does anyone give Dizelle a chance in the MC? I thought its run in the CC was good! Do you think it will get the 2miles?

[Chrome Prince]

I have it down to three at this point...

Tawqeet
On A Jeune
Mandela

Oh and Grey Song eachway in the Saab Quality ;)

[Radar67]

Tawqeet
Yeats
On A Jeune
Zabeat
Mandela

[Matilda]

Whats everyones Roughie for the MC cup? I did like Ice Chariot b4 it ran on Saturday and turned in a shocker!

Hi Northern,
Have a few roughie on the list. Art Success, Demerger, Dolphin Jo and Vanquished

[Makybe Diva]

I was a fan of On A Jeune but I just don't think it is racing well enough to win. A couple of starts back, Zipping beat it convincingly with 0.5kg more weight and although it has been racing with some pretty heavy weights lately, it hasn't done much IMO. The Geelong Cup formline has been pretty good in the past so you would have to think mandela would be up there as well as Tawqeet and i think Vanquished and Kerry O'Reilly are probably the best roughies at this stage.

[crash]

The Japs lost the war, but they might win the cup this year with the poms making sure it won't be a sit and sprint affair, our horses will be struggling at the distance with the slightest hint of pace on. We can produce good sprinters but [genuine] stayers here are a thing of the past it seems.

The Aussie class is going down the plug hole with 9yr olds winning the cox [what a slow race that was]. Perhaps a few decent horses should come out of retirement to give the cup a bit of polish [?]

[Sportz]

Apparently, Wunderwood has broken down this morning and has had to be put down!!!

[Matilda]

At the moment these are the one that I like in MC.

Activation (Qualified)
Zipping (Qualified)
Pop Rock (Qualified)
Delta Blue (Qualified)
Demerger (Qualified)
Dolphin Jo (Order of entrie : 24)
Art Success(Order of entrie : 23)
Vanquished (Order of entrie : 35)

Pick from rabbit hat :
11
9
4
1

Feeling
6
16

Will see how to go down later....

[crash]

Delta Blue or Pop Rock with a preferences for Delta Blue are my picks this year [I'm often wrong:-) ] regardless of what else qualifies.

[nutz]

Tawqeet
Yeats
On A Jeune
Zabeat
Mandela

Not a bad batch Radar67 but I'd be adding DELTA BLUES & POP ROCK ;)

[StaggerLee]

Early tip Yeats

[eddie72]

Had a little both totes Mahtoum @ 300/1

[Sportz]

Our Smoking Joe is out of the cup.

[Horse Whisperer]

what happened sportz?

[watsonnek]

...suffering from an infection in his near fore tendon and will be spelled after treatment...

[In_retrospect]

Wasn't a genuine chance anyway

[Horse Whisperer]

i guess well never know now.

[woody]

Early tip Yeats

Didn't he break a track record for 2 miles somewhere?

[goldenember]

Our Smoking Joe is out of the cup.


didnt really fire this prep hopefully he will come back better than ever

[Matilda]

I believe Lee Freedman will get nothing this Spring!!! Very bad strategy on Our Smoking Joe. From Hero to ZERO!!!

[westi]

Didn't he break a track record for 2 miles somewhere?

Think that was when he won the Goodwood Cup (good going) 2 starts back. He's also won in the wet.

[Matilda]

Efficient is in Mel Cup.

[Raw Instinct]

Efficient is in Mel Cup.
and he is a better chance than Activation and Zipping in my opinion

[westi]

Efficient is in Mel Cup.

Big ask, doesn't appear to be anything out of the box!

[Sportz]

Are you kidding?

He may not win the Cup, but it won't be because he's not a very good horse!!!

[westi]

Are you kidding?

He may not win the Cup, but it won't be because he's not a very good horse!!!


No, not kidding :)

[Raw Instinct]

Well i can tell you now our stayers arenot anything out of the box which must give him a bit of a chance then

[demister jay]

Think that was when he won the Goodwood Cup (good going) 2 starts back. He's also won in the wet.

I for one won't be leaving Yeats out of my MC investments!

[demister jay]

1 YEATS (IRE) Aidan O'Brien K Fallon 4 59
2 DELTA BLUES (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii Y Iwata 11 56
3 RAILINGS John Hawkes D Beadman 2 55.5
4 TAWQEET (USA) David Hayes D Dunn 9 55.5
5 GEORDIELAND (FR) Jamie Osborne L Dettori 10 54
6 HEADTURNER John Hawkes G Childs 19 54
7 SHORT PAUSE (GB) David Hayes N Callow 17 53.5
8 ACTIVATION (NZ) Graeme Rogerson M Rodd 22 53
9 LAND 'N STARS (GB) Jamie Poulton J F Egan 6 53
10 MAHTOUM Kim Waugh C Brown 7 53
11 ON A JEUNE Peter Montgomerie D Gauci 15 53
12 POP ROCK (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii D Oliver 12 53
13 ZIPPING Graeme Rogerson G Boss 20 52.5
14 DIZELLE John Hawkes B Shinn 21 52
15 ICE CHARIOT Ron Maund J Byrne 1 52
16 KERRY O'REILLY (NZ) Jim Gibbs C E Lammas 5 52
17 ZABEAT (NZ) Donna Logan O Doleuze 16 52
18 ART SUCCESS (NZ) John Collins A Pattillo 13 51.5
19 DEMERGER Danny O'Brien S Baster 23 51
20 GLISTENING (GB) Luca Cumani S Seamer 24 51
21 MANDELA (NZ) Richard Yuill C Williams 14 51
22 DOLPHIN JO Terry & Karina O'Sullivan A Spiteri 18 50
23 MAYBE BETTER Brian Mayfield-Smith C Munce 3 50
24 EFFICIENT (NZ) Graeme Rogerson C Newitt 8 49

[demister jay]

1 YEATS (IRE) Aidan O'Brien K Fallon 4 59
2 DELTA BLUES (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii Y Iwata 11 56
3 RAILINGS John Hawkes D Beadman 2 55.5
4 TAWQEET (USA) David Hayes D Dunn 9 55.5
5 GEORDIELAND (FR) Jamie Osborne L Dettori 10 54
6 HEADTURNER John Hawkes G Childs 19 54
7 SHORT PAUSE (GB) David Hayes N Callow 17 53.5
8 ACTIVATION (NZ) Graeme Rogerson M Rodd 22 53
9 LAND 'N STARS (GB) Jamie Poulton J F Egan 6 53
10 MAHTOUM Kim Waugh C Brown 7 53
11 ON A JEUNE Peter Montgomerie D Gauci 15 53
12 POP ROCK (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii D Oliver 12 53
13 ZIPPING Graeme Rogerson G Boss 20 52.5
14 DIZELLE John Hawkes B Shinn 21 52
15 ICE CHARIOT Ron Maund J Byrne 1 52
16 KERRY O'REILLY (NZ) Jim Gibbs C E Lammas 5 52
17 ZABEAT (NZ) Donna Logan O Doleuze 16 52
18 ART SUCCESS (NZ) John Collins A Pattillo 13 51.5
19 DEMERGER Danny O'Brien S Baster 23 51
20 GLISTENING (GB) Luca Cumani S Seamer 24 51
21 MANDELA (NZ) Richard Yuill C Williams 14 51
22 DOLPHIN JO Terry & Karina O'Sullivan A Spiteri 18 50
23 MAYBE BETTER Brian Mayfield-Smith C Munce 3 50
24 EFFICIENT (NZ) Graeme Rogerson C Newitt 8 49


2 DELTA BLUES
4 TAWQEET
1 YEATS
12 POP ROCK
23 MAYBE BETTER
24 EFFICIENT

[Chrome Prince]

4 TAWQEET (USA) David Hayes D Dunn 9 55.5
11 ON A JEUNE Peter Montgomerie D Gauci 15 53
21 MANDELA (NZ) Richard Yuill C Williams 14 51

[westi]

Well i can tell you now our stayers arenot anything out of the box which must give him a bit of a chance then

okay I concede...a bit of a chance :)

[westi]

Horse Win Place
TAWQEET $5.00 $2.00
YEATS $6.00 $2.25
EFFICIENT $7.00 $2.50
POP ROCK $8.00 $2.75
MAYBE BETTER $11.00 $3.50
DELTA BLUES $12.00 $3.75
GEORDIELAND $15.00 $4.50
DIZELLE $17.00 $5.00
ZIPPING $17.00 $5.00
ACTIVATION $21.00 $6.00
ON A JEUNE $21.00 $6.00
MANDELA $26.00 $7.25
KERRY OREILLY $41.00 $11.00
RAILINGS $41.00 $11.00
ART SUCCESS $51.00 $13.50
HEADTURNER $61.00 $16.00
GLISTENING $81.00 $21.00
DOLPHIN JO $101.00 $26.00
LAND N STARS $101.00 $26.00
DEMERGER $151.00 $38.50
ICE CHARIOT $201.00 $51.00
MAHTOUM $201.00 $51.00
ZABEAT $201.00 $51.00
SHORT PAUSE $301.00 $76.00

[westi]

Had a little both totes Mahtoum @ 300/1

200/1 final field eddie, hope he can put in his best for you

[Makybe Diva]

At the moment,

Mandela
Tawqeet
Yeats

[dc]

Efficient is in Mel Cup.

Hard for a 3 yr old to win but its a freak horse, bred to stay, weight will make a turbo finish.. ill take 8-1.. making history.

Efficient
Mandela
Tawqeet
Maybe better

I can just see that Yates horse just plotting along and then will get run down.. Delta blues should not of changed jockey... so thats a cross.

[Chuck]

I have it down to 10 (yes, a lot i know, but the list will be narrowed) :

Activation
Pop Rock
Dizelle
Efficient
Short Pause ($76 the place is very good IMHO)
Kerry O'Reilly
Maybe Better
Tawqeet
Delta Blues
Yeats

[Chuck Bar Lena]

Gai Waterhouse killing em lately but no runner in the big one!

[Sahasastar]

Hard for a 3 yr old to win but its a freak horse, bred to stay, weight will make a turbo finish.. ill take 8-1.. making history.

Efficient
Mandela
Tawqeet
Maybe better

I can just see that Yates horse just plotting along and then will get run down.. Delta blues should not of changed jockey... so thats a cross.

Great minds think alike. I have the same 4. Just not sure which order yet.

TAWQEET
MAYBE BETTER
MANDELA
EFFICIENT
Delta Blues
Geordieland
Dizelle
Kerry O'Reilly

[Horse Whisperer]

the way the track played yesterday mandella is an e/w special at 25-1

[Northern]

I have to admit i have changed my mind to many times for the MC ive already backed Dizelle at healthy odds but gees i was impressed with Maybe Better yesterday and the 12-1 looks nice odds?

[Sahasastar]

Great minds think alike. I have the same 4. Just not sure which order yet.

TAWQEET
MAYBE BETTER
MANDELA
EFFICIENT
Delta Blues
Geordieland
Dizelle
Kerry O'Reilly

Changed my mind, dropping Efficient (4th run in 3 weeks.. not overly excited by race times, 3 year old, history against), and including Kerry O'Rielly and Activation. Already put $$ on Mandela at $30, Kerry O'Rielly at $50, and on Maybe Better at $80's already, plus a top up last night. Tawqeet is the obvious inclusion, and I can't help but think Activation will be thereabouts.

Quite happily prepared to go around internationals for various reasons and horses without any leadup form, regardless if they have been set for this or not.

TAWQEET
MAYBE BETTER
MANDELA
KERRY O'RIELLY
ACTIVATION

Will stick with these 5 now, and work exotics around them.

[Storm_Scene]

my selections are Tawqeet, Dizelle (i think it needs further, its run in the metrop and the CC were both very good) and Maybe Better (i think this horse will have no trouble backing up) and for the roughie Art Success.

[Chuck]

what does everyone think about this trifecta?

1st: Delta Blues, Short Pause, Activation, Pop Rock, Dizelle, Kerry O'Reilly
2nd: Yeats, Delta Blues, Tawqeet, Short Pause, Activation, Pop Rock, Dizelle, Kerry O'Reilly
3rd: Yeats, Delta Blues, Tawqeet, Short Pause, Activation, Pop Rock, Dizelle, Kerry O'Reilly

$100 for 25%

[Northern]

Yeah Chuck dont mind it if it gets up it will pay huge!! I Think maybe putting Tawqeet in there for 1st and id say Maybe better has to be included id be very surprised if it doesnt run a huge race??

[goldmember]

The more i look at it the harder it gets, but i heard that the Derby was 2.1/2 sec's slower than the SAAB, so i'll leave Efficient out.

for the win:

TAWQEET
POP ROCK
MAYBE BETTER , not sure about YEATS but i'll put him in.

for the place:

ZIPPING
ACIVATION
DIZELLE
cant believe people are tipping ARTS SUCCESS as a roughie, at Moonee Valley, DOLPIN JOE was swamping it the last 100m and IT doesn't rate.

[wesmip1]

I reckon I'll go with (In order of Preference):

1.YEATS
2. POP ROCK
3. DIZZELLE
4. ACTIVATION
5. TAWQUEET
6. MAYBE BETTER

Might throw them on for a trifecta or first 4. Should be a good race.

Good Luck.

[goldmember]

Good luck chuck, its a chance , but i would swap Short Pause for something decent as i dont think the track will be wet enough for it .

[Chuck]

Yeah Chuck dont mind it if it gets up it will pay huge!! I Think maybe putting Tawqeet in there for 1st and id say Maybe better has to be included id be very surprised if it doesnt run a huge race??


oooops, i forgot maybe better, i have put it in for 2nd and 3rd, as well as efficienct!!

[ijuandaQLD]

Activation
Yeats
Pop Rock
On A Jeune

[Chuck]

Good luck chuck, its a chance , but i would swap Short Pause for something decent as i dont think the track will be wet enough for it .

goldmember i really don't think short pause is a 300 dollar chance, even this prep it has thrown in a random good run - e.g. the Listed Japan Trophy at Flemington in september, it ran 3rd not beaten too far behind Maybe Better, and meets it better in the weights this time around. after that it was beaten 1.5 lengths in a randwick group 3 , half a length behind Activation. seems to like the bigger tracks, flemington should suit - as you said, the wet is a bonus and i think its a good place chance. i don't really think it will win, but if i leave it out of my trifecta i will be spewing!

[goldmember]

sorry, i meant to swap it around from the win to the placings and put in either Tawqeet or Yeats, BUT, 1 remember VAN DER HUM , he had no chance in the cup but they had a down pour 30 min before and he was a $1.50 chance.maybe do a raindance!

[Northern]

Hi All,

Can anyone give me a basic rundown on ratings and handicaps and weights given to racehorses for all races how does this work?

[Matilda]

Hard for a 3 yr old to win but its a freak horse, bred to stay, weight will make a turbo finish.. ill take 8-1.. making history.

Efficient
Mandela
Tawqeet
Maybe better

I can just see that Yates horse just plotting along and then will get run down.. Delta blues should not of changed jockey... so thats a cross.
Yes but the time is 2 second slower than SAAB.Also Yeats winning time in Londaon is way too slow.

[Matilda]

At the moment these are the one that I like in MC.

Activation (Qualified)
Zipping (Qualified)
Pop Rock (Qualified)
Delta Blue (Qualified)
Demerger (Qualified)
Dolphin Jo (Order of entrie : 24)
Art Success(Order of entrie : 23)
Vanquished (Order of entrie : 35)

Pick from rabbit hat :
11
9
4
1

Feeling
6
16

Will see how to go down later....


I can't belive that I don't have a single one repeat that I can take out of my selection. Bighead act now. Left with 15 as I have added in Efficient and Maybe Better

1 YEATS (IRE) Aidan O'Brien K Fallon 4 59
2 DELTA BLUES (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii Y Iwata 11 56
4 TAWQEET (USA) David Hayes D Dunn 9 55.5
6 HEADTURNER John Hawkes G Childs 19 54
8 ACTIVATION (NZ) Graeme Rogerson M Rodd 22 53
9 LAND 'N STARS (GB) Jamie Poulton J F Egan 6 53
11 ON A JEUNE Peter Montgomerie D Gauci 15 53
12 POP ROCK (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii D Oliver 12 53
13 ZIPPING Graeme Rogerson G Boss 20 52.5
16 KERRY O'REILLY (NZ) Jim Gibbs C E Lammas 5 52
18 ART SUCCESS (NZ) John Collins A Pattillo 13 51.5
19 DEMERGER Danny O'Brien S Baster 23 51
22 DOLPHIN JO Terry & Karina O'Sullivan A Spiteri 18 50
23 MAYBE BETTER Brian Mayfield-Smith C Munce 3 50
24 EFFICIENT (NZ) Graeme Rogerson C Newitt 8 49

[westman]

I can't belive that I don't have a single one repeat that I can take out of my selection. Bighead act now. Left with 15 as I have added in Efficient and Maybe Better

1 YEATS (IRE) Aidan O'Brien K Fallon 4 59
2 DELTA BLUES (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii Y Iwata 11 56
4 TAWQEET (USA) David Hayes D Dunn 9 55.5
6 HEADTURNER John Hawkes G Childs 19 54
8 ACTIVATION (NZ) Graeme Rogerson M Rodd 22 53
9 LAND 'N STARS (GB) Jamie Poulton J F Egan 6 53
11 ON A JEUNE Peter Montgomerie D Gauci 15 53
12 POP ROCK (JPN) Katsuhiko Sumii D Oliver 12 53
13 ZIPPING Graeme Rogerson G Boss 20 52.5
16 KERRY O'REILLY (NZ) Jim Gibbs C E Lammas 5 52
18 ART SUCCESS (NZ) John Collins A Pattillo 13 51.5
19 DEMERGER Danny O'Brien S Baster 23 51
22 DOLPHIN JO Terry & Karina O'Sullivan A Spiteri 18 50
23 MAYBE BETTER Brian Mayfield-Smith C Munce 3 50
24 EFFICIENT (NZ) Graeme Rogerson C Newitt 8 49

Have similar problem Matilda! Every time I review in an effort to decrease the number in my 'final' batch I end up adding another one or two! Not game to review anymore :rolleyes:

[woody]

ON A JEUNE
Taken along quietly with this race in mind

[rabbitz]

Hello

How much would the following combination first four cost?

The numbers are not the horses i like...thats a big secret

1ST-1,2,3,4,5
2ND-1,2,3,4,5
3RD-1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
4TH-1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8

is it 5x4x6x5=600 units

cheers

[Oaksnaf]

That is right, $600.

[Matilda]

Which is better? Go for a trifecta or First 4? I am still scratching my head.

How much should I put on tri or first 4?. Have some many combo in my mind.

a) Box 8. 338 units = 168 for 1/2 unit.

b) Have confident of 1 placing selection and box that (stand out) with 10 horses. 90units X 3. = 135 for 1/2 unit.

c) Select 3 confident selection and box with 8 horses. 3/8/8, 8/3/8 and 8/8/3.
126 X 3 = 378. = 189 for half units.

d) 5/10/10. 360 units. =180 for half unit.

e) As what rabbitz has. 300 for half a units.

have manage to cut down to 10 selection af of now. keep going...Pls advise.

[Matilda]

Have similar problem Matilda! Every time I review in an effort to decrease the number in my 'final' batch I end up adding another one or two! Not game to review anymore :rolleyes:

Hi Westman, Do you have your list maybe I can compare to reduce my selection and have more confident.

[Northern]

I would just look at backing a few different horses for the win, its so dam hard to pick a trifecta in a MC when really up to 15 horses could win... every year there is a smokey in the placings nothing would surprise me this year either

[tmathe]

Hey guys, i am an avid formguide reader :), and having gone through the melbourne cup field, i reckon that yeats and efficient have not run good enough times over any distance to feature in the finish. Efficient especially, should be 100/1 rather than 8/1...
what do you guys think?

My tips are:
Win - Tawqeet, Pop Rock

Place (Roughie) - Kerry O'Reilly

E/W - Maybe Better... He has run the best time over 2500m out of anyone in this years field and has drawn a great barrier with a generous weight

Cheers Guys!

[Matilda]

Hey guys, i am an avid formguide reader :), and having gone through the melbourne cup field, i reckon that yeats and efficient have not run good enough times over any distance to feature in the finish. Efficient especially, should be 100/1 rather than 8/1...
what do you guys think?

My tips are:
Win - Tawqeet, Pop Rock

Place (Roughie) - Kerry O'Reilly

E/W - Maybe Better... He has run the best time over 2500m out of anyone in this years field and has drawn a great barrier with a generous weight

Cheers Guys!


Hi tmathe,

If you want to calculate by speed, Pop Rock has a better time compare to Maybe Better. 2-33.1 vs 2.35.86 but on weight term is 54Kg vs 57Kg. that in Japan vs Australia.

[Raw Instinct]

Watch the times from Japan the clock doesn't start until something like 20 metres into the race so the have a start on the clock meaning they already have a head of steam up when the clock starts rolling, Or atleast this is what I have heard and the sources are usually fairly reliable.

I agree on Yeats and his times he has run they are terribly slow has to put some sort of query over the horse doesn't it.

[Dazz]

G'day e'one,


Just thought i'd share... spoke with mums friend today (a clairvoyant)
Ive always valued her opinion as she has an amazing history of success
In the cups over the years, i could talk about it all day.

Anyway she has said that a Grey horse will definately win this years cup.

Looks like Geordieland & Efficient are the only ones that come under Grey.....

They will do me.


Good luck Everyone

[diggo]

What do you blokes think about Dolphin Jo?

When it won at Flemington, what distance was it over? Where can I obtain this information from?

Cheers

[Chuck]

april 25th 2006

Dolphin Jo won Flemington VRC St Leger Listed 2800m carrying 56.5 kgs

any newspaper form guide should give you all this info

[diggo]

Thanks for your help Chuck!

[rabbitz]

where ya pending the day chuck,randwick????
i used to go there every year when i lived down there

[diogenes]

G'day e'one,


Just thought i'd share... spoke with mums friend today (a clairvoyant)
Ive always valued her opinion as she has an amazing history of success
In the cups over the years, i could talk about it all day.

Anyway she has said that a Grey horse will definately win this years cup.

Looks like Geordieland & Efficient are the only ones that come under Grey.....

They will do me.


Good luck Everyone

Dazz, There is good news and bad news....
If you have already bet it's bad news....Geordieland is a grey but Efficient is a bay isn't it ?
You show a lot of confidence posting this so I believe you when you say she has amazing success in the past, and this has certainly thrown a spanner in my tri's as I have Geordieland as a placing and Efficient tired mid field, poor thing.

[puntersteve]

G'day e'one,


Just thought i'd share... spoke with mums friend today (a clairvoyant)
Ive always valued her opinion as she has an amazing history of success
In the cups over the years, i could talk about it all day.

Anyway she has said that a Grey horse will definately win this years cup.

Looks like Geordieland & Efficient are the only ones that come under Grey.....

They will do me.


Good luck Everyone

G'day Dazz! That clairvoyant is most likely my aunty :) small world ;)

[Raw Instinct]

Well after much deliberation over this race I have come up with this and all I can say is good luck from what I can see Yeats has some major question marks but alot of very good judges are talking it up so who really knows.

1. Maybe Better: I have heard everyone say he maynot settle my only worry is from the inside gate he might get squeezed up early which could fire him up if he can avoid early trouble he will go very close to taking this race out he has been hitting the line with authority and is in exceptional form with one of the best trainers going around in charge, My only worry is Munce I know he is a great jockey but he hasn't ridden this bloke before hopefully he and Steve Arnold can have a good talk about the horse just to sort out his quirks.

2. Geordieland: I really like Jamie Osbourne he is a very good trainer in England and with what he has said about this horse it is impossible to leave him out his form reads solidly just a matter of whether or not Dettori can bring some of his Breeders Cup riding form here for a change.

3. Glistening: This horse is massive overs he beat Geordieland home in the Ebor Englands main handicap staying race and although he does meat Geordieland slightly worse at the weights from that race this was the horse hitting the line the hardest of anything in the race. Seamer doesn't hurt it's chances maybe he can find some of his old form here and cause I boilover.

4. Mandela: I was on him at Geelong when he won the cup and although it was supposed to have been a leaders track they did run along a bit in the race and he really let down nice on the turn, I wsn't aware that Craig Williams was actually staying with him for the Cup but it can only be a bonus for him his breeding says he should handle the trip and the 2nd to Xcellent in the NZ Derby reads well to if he can take the next step he will be very hard to run down here.

5. Tawqeet: Noone can knock this horses lead up form he settles so well and has a nice turn of foot for a stayer the question here is whether the handicapper may have caught upto him, I know Hayes has said all along this was his target but he has copped 2.5kgs worth of penaltys for this race and only very good horses over come that time will tell i guess, I won't be backing him but i would be leaving him out of my trifecta.

6. On A Jeune: Not a horse I have ever been a fan of but if he reproduces last years run he wins this another I won't be backing but will have in my trifecta.

I am taking on Pop Rock and Delta Blues one because of the Jockey and the other because of the way it hung in the Caulfield Cup which cost it the race and now it goes to a journey it has never been over I'll take my chances there, I don't like any of Lloyd Williams horses bu if someone held a gun to my head and made me pick one of them it would be Efficient I think he has more chance of getting the trip than the other 2, Activation had every chance in the Caulfield Cup in fact i am shocked at the flack Rodd copped for the ride the horse simply wasn't good enough it actually hit the lead if you look at the over head shot and got passed by 3 horses again 1 which had been 3 and 4 wide the trip he has no chance of running 2 miles IMO.

There were a couple of others I wouldn't mind including but you can't have them all they were Art Success, Short Pause (his english form reads well for such a big price), Kerry O'Reilly, Dolphin Jo.

Good Luck everyone I think we will all need it (I am having something on my top 4 Selections)

[Raw Instinct]

Efficient is definitely a Grey probably the 1st I have heard of by Zabeel

[watsonnek]

G'day Dazz! That clairvoyant is most likely my aunty :) small world ;)


My mum-in-law is a clairvoyant, I wonder!?

[puntersteve]

My mum-in-law is a clairvoyant, I wonder!?

First name's not Joyce by chance?

[Sportz]

From Racenet:

High drama for favourite on Cup eve
The Melbourne Cup favourite Tawqeet has pulled a plate on the eve of the $5 million G1 Emirates Melbourne Cup.
Hayes confirmed the horse pulled his near fore plate on the way to the pool where he was to swim this afternoon but he is confident it wont stop the Caulfield Cup winner’s charge into tomorrow’s great race.
”He sprung a shoe and actually pulled a bit of skin away from the hoof wall which is common,” Hayes said.
”It is something you would rather not happen the day before a race.
”They pull shoes of every day, it is not a huge thing.
”If it wasn’t the Melbourne Cup favourite you wouldn’t know about it.”
Hayes has elected not to replate Tawqeet until tomorrow morning to ensure he gives the horse its best chance to face the starter tomorrow.
”For precaution we put a decron boot on it,” He said.
”He will be replated in the morning as I can’t afford him to pull another shoe off as there may not be enough hoof wall to put a plate back on."
Racing Victoria Chief Steward Des Gleeson was informed of the problem by Hayes and the horse will be inspected prior to the race.
”Our Chief Vet, Dr John McCaffrey will inspect the horse before 8am tomorrow morning,” Gleeson said.

[watsonnek]

First name's not Joyce by chance?


Nope!

[Oaksnaf]

Delta Blues - Mandela - Maybe Better for me.

[watsonnek]

What do you blokes think about Dolphin Jo?

When it won at Flemington, what distance was it over? Where can I obtain this information from?

Cheers


There are many others with a better chance diggo, imo

[maverick1993]

I think with the likely good / dead at worse track there might be still a bias tomorrow. I know the rail is out alittle more but i can still see the inside on pacers having an advantage.

I'm looking for a horse that will settle better than midfield behind horses like Zabeat, Mandela, Delta Blues...
I have Yeats pushing forward after the hectic start settles down...he should be sitting 5th , 6th at worst and idealy only 2 wide with cover...his style to go forward before the turn and really poor on the pressure might be what wins him this race,,,he should have no trouble getting to the front and getting close to the rail ,,he'll be very hard to run down...

Pop Rock should be around the same with Olly smart enough with the bias to slot in somehere handy..i loved his run in CC and just seemed to be cruising..if i was Olly i'd follow Yeats where ever he goes..

Maybe Better should hit the rails and get that smother he needs to settle ,,,he'll be climbing all over tired horses aproaching the turn so Munce will want to be good..because i dont think Munce will make the mistake of digging him up to take a positon as he might fire up ..so he'll have a few horse in front of him and will need luck..

Gordieland will settle close to the lead and i've heard hes been thriving in work,,,i dont have much between yeats and this horse as he was just eased down behind yeats last time they met and looks to have improved..

..Tawqeet will need the Dunn magic but there no denying his will to win, he hits those gaps hard and although a distance risk in this field he still needs respecting..

I'd be keeping an eye on earlier races and seeing if they are making any ground from the back in the middle of the track..
horses like Zipping, Activation ,Efficient, Railings , Dizelle, Arts Success ,Headturner, On A Jeune will all find it that much harder to make ground if the track is anything like Saturday...
Its such a big field that its unlikely the tired horses up front will leave the rail ...so the Efficient Derby sprint lane might not be easy to find...

On Pace bias
Yeats 7.50
Pop rock 8.50
Maybe Better 10
Gordieland 11
Tawqeet 14
Delta Blues 15


Run On
I'd promote Activation,,if you like Tawqeet you have to love this horse,,,i know theres a distance query (so is tawqeet imo) but if they snick him back to last with Zipping and ride him super quiet.. ,,,i can see the 2 stable mates taking off together with Efficient,,maybe the 3 will track each other into the race as a team and all 3 have the ability to reel off the final sectional needed...
Zipping 8.50
Activation 9.00
Maybe Better 10
Tawqeet 11.
Pop rock 15

I'd be watching the 3rd race,,,i like Siamun in this but hes a backmarker....if Bay Story, Pride Of Westbury or Vengo lead and win it should give a better guide to the Cup...
Same as in the 2nd..i'm a fan of A Country Girl and Pekalan..both backmarkers....Star Mystic and Interche are the likely leaders ...

i'll be having fun with some Mulits for the cups...(already have Zipping 25's) but if it looks like a on pace bias again i'll be on Yeats if i can get better odds than the ridiculous odds he is at the moment i could be tempted as i do think he could sneak away with a break on this track.....In regards the other runners Maybe Better looks to be the only one worth backing at the 12's fixed ..

others around the day worth a looksy
(run on) A country girl, Siamun*, Imana, Bianca,Marju Snip/Rubijon,Stratton place
(on pace) Pride of Westbury,Pasiketera,Polar Bear

Sydney
Ledger,Radetzky March
Brissie
Myndos, Adavale Hornet
Adelaide
Pride Of Archway


Good luck Guys :)

[Sportz]

Seems to be a big doubt over Efficient running.

[Raw Instinct]

Your on top of things there Sportz I was just on my way over to put that on here myself

[Sportz]

Yeah, he's out!

[Horse Whisperer]

just wondering how he track is playing? im at work and they arn't playing felmington on sky so i havnt been able to see the races yet. has there been any noticable bias on the fence?

[diogenes]

D Hayes is playing confident about Tawqeets condition but I noticed D Dunn looks like he was gut shot and a vampire had sucked the life out of him!!
Interesting day!

[diggo]

G'day e'one,


Just thought i'd share... spoke with mums friend today (a clairvoyant)
Ive always valued her opinion as she has an amazing history of success
In the cups over the years, i could talk about it all day.

Anyway she has said that a Grey horse will definately win this years cup.

Looks like Geordieland & Efficient are the only ones that come under Grey.....

They will do me.


Good luck Everyone
Thats interesting, theres already been 2 grey horses win in the last 2 races! I didnt see the 1st race, the one that won that wasn't a grey was it?

She might be on to something here!

[dc]

As efficient is out ... finals selections.

Maybe Better
Pop Rock
Mandela
Activation

Tawqeet is overated and this yeats horse is annoying me...

[diogenes]

One of those might have been the one she saw!
What are the greys for the rest of the day?
Do you think the ever sneaky Hayes is messing with our heads and Tawqeet is the one?

[Matilda]

Anyone can inform about the track is playing now?

[Horse Whisperer]

seen 2 races, seems to be favouring the rail rather than out in the middle.

[goldmember]

There coming from behind and well off the fence, opposite of saturday, the leaders are getting run over, i'm not going to back horses in front, on the fence for the rest of the day.

[xanadu]

The vet just was on TV and he passed Tawqeet fit to run!
Fine, but my usual adage is : "when in doubt take them out!"
I realise that everything appears to be OK but I am very wary when there is any doubt over one of the favoured runners.
I, personally, will be reducing my "dutch book" wager on Tawqeet and spreading it over my other selected runners. In my opinion this shows the advantage of betting on the day rather than PP betting-the advantages are obvious-you can change or manipulate your wagers to suit youself rather being "locked-in" when you wager early on the PP markets. I recognise that the better PP odds give an assumed advantage but this is often offset by the dramas leading up to racetime!
It is a matter of choice.

Cheers.

[dc]

as Tawqeet won the caul cup... most people think its a lock.. That run did not convince me enough... Its like Railings last year.... flopped in the melb cup after the caul...

Hayes does play with your head because he talked up Growl winning the caul cup... and when tawqeet won, all of a sudden growl was forgotten..

Ususally his other horse wins.. like Unabated did to Benko today...

So... ill put a dollar on short pause...

[blownhemi]

GEORDIELAND to win

GEORDIELAND / DELTA BLUES / YEATS / TAWQEET


GO YOU GOOD THING.


best of luck guys and gals.

[Northern]

Had $40 dollars on Delta Blues at 16-1 i should of waited and taken the $18 on the tote, i thought Pop Rock had him but he laid in and oliver had to staighten him up noticeably

[Chuck]

well i got my trifecta up but i only got $350, was hoping for more :D

[dc]

well i got my trifecta up but i only got $350, was hoping for more :D

Least you got it.... but yeah... small divi this year....
I left delta out which costed me.... i left him out because they changed jockey..
Fool i am..

[rabbitz]

The Japanese pair Pop Rock & Delta Blues are reportedly the best to come down to Oz from that country. Have been set for the big one with both racing today in Caulfield Cup as a lead-up race. I've already backed them both for the MC just in case either do well today (and the odds come in).

:eek:

[Chuck]

on your post rabbitz no i didn't go to randwick this year, i've been sick over the last few days so have just stayed at home

[xanadu]

It proves to be true once again.....a wise man said that Caulfield Cup form is the best form to follow.
Back any horse which finishes within 2.0l of the winner!

Cheers.

[Sportz]

Isn't it amazing. After the Caulfield Cup was run, absolutely everyone was saying how great the runs of Delta Blues and Pop Rock were and they came in dramatically in the betting. Now look what happens.

And look at how the price of Delta Blues just kept on getting out further and further today simply because an unknown Japanese jockey was on it. If Oliver had been on Delta Blues instead, it probably would have been 6 or 7-1.

[Filante]

Another Melbourne Cup for the pom pom. That's 4 in a row.

[diogenes]

Pom pom?

[xanadu]

IMO,

Questions should be asked regarding the ability of the favourite to run the 3200m considering the doubt over it's fitness.
As I have said repeatedly......when in doubt....take them out..!
Any arguments to the contrary?

Cheers.

[rabbitz]

well i got my trifecta up but i only got $350, was hoping for more :D
was that a boxed flexi chuck
how many horses for wat outlay?

[proxy]

The Japanese pair Pop Rock & Delta Blues are reportedly the best to come down to Oz from that country. Have been set for the big one with both racing today in Caulfield Cup as a lead-up race. I've already backed them both for the MC just in case either do well today (and the odds come in).


I tip my cap! Only two selections & first on this thread with the Japanese quinella. Top shelf Horse Mad!

[Chuck]

was that a boxed flexi chuck
how many horses for wat outlay?

yeah boxed flexi

i had the following:

1st: Delta Blues, Activation, Pop Rock, Dizelle
2nd: Yeats, Delta Blues, Tawqeet, Short Pause, Activation, Pop Rock, Zipping, Dizelle, Kerry O'Reilly, Maybe Better
3rd: Yeats, Delta Blues, Tawqeet, Short Pause, Activation, Pop Rock, Zipping, Dizelle, Kerry O'Reilly, Maybe Better

4*9*8 = 288 combinations, $100 outlay returned 34.72% of $1000 = $350 return

i'm annoyed because i had it down to the 4 winning horses and i was pretty confident about that, but threw in a few others just for safety and because a roughie often jags a place (not this year though). i wish i hadn't in hindsight because i was left with the top 4 + maybe better and yeats :(

[Chuck]

IMO,

Questions should be asked regarding the ability of the favourite to run the 3200m considering the doubt over it's fitness.
As I have said repeatedly......when in doubt....take them out..!
Any arguments to the contrary?

Cheers.

well there was definitely doubt over Delta Blues and jockey Iwata, after he sat 4 wide on Anapine the whole race in the 4th i was feeling quite nervous after that shocker

[Filante]

Pom pom?

...on the jockey's helmet. Just picked up another on with Cocinero in race 9.

[proxy]

Glad I got in when I did! Pop Rock has firmed from 25/1 to 6/1 & Delta Blues from 40/1 to 7/1!

Had them both ew yesterday - $32.50 for the place Delta Blues! thank you very much :)

Delta Blues (3rd) didn't sprint with them when the runs started to come just before the turn but got going again & he went home well - it was a great Melbourne Cup run! Pop Rock (7th) didn't look to handle Caulfield all that well & will be better off at Flemington. Bring on the big one!!

Didn't realise you had a follow-up post Horse Mad. Bring on the big one indeed! 40/1 & 25/1 :eek: you lucky b u g g e r!!

[diogenes]

...on the jockey's helmet. Just picked up another on with Cocinero in race 9.

So thats what has messed up my selections....pass me the rifle.
Oh, wait.....It is me that messed up my selections:(

[Matilda]

well there was definitely doubt over Delta Blues and jockey Iwata, after he sat 4 wide on Anapine the whole race in the 4th i was feeling quite nervous after that shocker

Oh well, only paying 1K for the Tri. I invested 270 (hlaf unit) for 550 return. I got the first 5 infact. No capital to invest on first 4 which is paying 10K for a unit!!!

[blownhemi]

I did notice that fukin pom pom :sad:

[Davi]

Didn't realise you had a follow-up post Horse Mad. Bring on the big one indeed! 40/1 & 25/1 :eek: you lucky b u g g e r!!

The spoils of early betting..you can be lucky...good onya Horse Mad...only bet for me Pop Rock..almost....

[Radar67]

18.00 DELTA BLUES 56 (Y Iwata) 1,
6.00 eq fav POP ROCK 53 (D Oliver) 2,
10.00 MAYBE BETTER 50 (C Munce) 3.

Then followed:
10.00 Zipping 52.5 (G Boss)
201.00 Land 'n Stars 53 (J F Egan)
201.00 Mahtoum 53 (C W Brown)
6.50 Yeats 59 (K Fallon)
21.00 Activation 53 (M Rodd)
21.00 Mandela 51 (Craig Williams)
81.00 Glistening 51 (S Seamer)
51.00 Kerry O'Reilly 52 (C E Lammas)
51.00 Railings 55.5 (D Beadman)
71.00 Headturner 54 (G J Childs)
201.00 Short Pause 53.5 (N Callow)
81.00 Dolphin Jo 50 (A Spiteri)
41.00 Art Success 51.5 (A Pattillo)
26.00 Dizelle 52 carr 52.5 (B Shinn)
16.00 Geordieland 54 (L Dettori)
6.00 eq fav Tawqeet 55.5 (D Dunn)
21.00 On A Jeune 53 (D Gauci)
101.00 Demerger 51 (S Baster)
201.00 Ice Chariot 52 (J Byrne)
201.00 Zabeat 52 (O Doleuze) last.
Scr: Efficient.

1/2 hd, 4-1/2 len.
Time: 3:21.42. (Last 600m 35.82).

[Chrome Prince]

Did anyone notice that Delta Blues was rated top on Timeform ratings?

[Radar67]

Did anyone notice that Delta Blues was rated top on Timeform ratings?

Yep :)