GOLDEN JUBILEE STAKES G1 1200M

[westman]

Saturday 23 June 2007
Ascot Racecourse, United Kingdom

Early Betting (All In):

MISS ANDRETTI 4.60 1.90
BENTLEY BISCUIT 5.00 2.00
TAKEOVER TARGET 6.00 2.25
AMADEUS WOLF 7.50 2.62
ASSET 9.00 3.00
AL QASI 12.00 3.75
MAGNUS 12.00 3.75
TAX FREE 15.00 4.50
SOLDIERS TALE 15.00 4.50
BALTIC KING 17.00 5.00
BENBAUN 17.00 5.00
BORDERLESCOTT 17.00 5.00
FIRENZE 17.00 5.00
MUTAWAAJID 17.00 5.00
EXCELLENT ART 21.00 6.00
LES ARCS 21.00 6.00
MUNADDAM 21.00 6.00
PRIME DEFENDER 21.00 6.00
ASSERTIVE 26.00 7.25
BYGONE DAYS 26.00 7.25
DANDY MAN 26.00 7.25
MOSS VALE 26.00 7.25
RED CLUBS 26.00 7.25
HELLVELYN 35.00 9.50
HONOURED GUEST 35.00 9.50
RISING SHADOW 35.00 9.50
SANDER CAMILLO 35.00 9.50
WI DUD 35.00 9.50
FAYR JAG 51.00 13.50
HAMOODY 51.00 13.50
PIVOTAL POINT 51.00 13.50
SATRI 51.00 13.50
ASHDOWN EXPRESS 71.00 18.50
BALTHAZAARS GIFT 71.00 18.50
OPERA CAPE 71.00 18.50
PRESTO SHINKO 71.00 18.50
SILVER TOUCH 71.00 18.50
SOMETHING 71.00 18.50
THEANN 71.00 18.50
WASSEEMA 71.00 18.50
MARCHAND D OR 71.00 18.50
APPALACHIAN TRAIL 101.00 26.00
BLUE ECHO 101.00 26.00
DUTCH ART 101.00 26.00
FACCHETTI 101.00 26.00
QUITO 101.00 26.00
RABATASH 101.00 26.00
STEENBERG 101.00 26.00
DRAYTON 151.00 38.50
MASTERSHIP 151.00 38.50
BLACKMALKIN 201.00 51.00
DHAULAR DHAR 201.00 51.00
FULLANDBY 201.00 51.00
ROYAL STORM 201.00 51.00
TOMBI 201.00 51.00

[westman]

The straight course at Ascot underwent complete reconstruction ahead of the course’s reopening in 2006. Ascot now has an uninterrupted straight mile course following the elimination of the road crossing and a completely new drainage system has been integrated. The Golden Jubilee Stakes is run on the final six furlongs (1,200 metres) of the straight mile, with the course rising gradually throughout from the start to the winning post.

[westman]

G'day pharfromoz :) being northern hemisphere located, any thoughts on non Oz horses, anything from the states nominated?

[pharfromoz]

G'day pharfromoz :) being northern hemisphere located, any thoughts on non Oz horses, anything from the states nominated?nothing looks familiar.

for some reason we dont have alot of 1200 sprints on the turf up here.

if i see something ill give a hollar.

[humdinger]

Amadeus Wolf ran 5th in last year's Golden Jubilee and 4th in the July Cup..,, scored first-up in the Duke Of York Stakes (1200m) at York last month..,,I'd be wanting more than $7.50

[humdinger]

Asset, a lightly raced 4YO faces his biggest challenge..,,an onpacer and fresh..,, but others could go a bit too quick for him..,,unders imo at $9

[Raw Instinct]

Was it Benbaun that flashed home late in last years Golden Jubilee behind Les Arc? if so his run was sensational on that occasion and do either Les Arc or the horse that ran 2nd (Whether Bebaun or whoever) have any form at all since.

[humdinger]

Was it Benbaun that flashed home late in last years Golden Jubilee behind Les Arc? if so his run was sensational on that occasion and do either Les Arc or the horse that ran 2nd (Whether Bebaun or whoever) have any form at all since.

That was Balthazaars Gift (50/1 that day), Raw..,,currently listed 70/1..,,done nought since that run..,,Les Arcs (33/1 that day) won the Darley July Cup (1200) following his Golden Jubilee win but failed dismally at York (1200) mid May last..,,currently listed 20/1

[Raw Instinct]

Yea you are right I knew the name started with B anyway might be worth a specy at that price was a hell of a run last year if it could recapture that form at all.

[Raw Instinct]

I was actually lucky enough to have landed Les Arcs at $51 i think last year on fixed odds for the Golden Jubilee and I thought I got double figure odds in the July Cup aswell wasn't sure what he has done since then though.

[humdinger]

I was actually lucky enough to have landed Les Arcs at $51 i think last year on fixed odds for the Golden Jubilee and I thought I got double figure odds in the July Cup aswell wasn't sure what he has done since then though.

Good one Raw..,, his run in the King's Stand before hand was much better than it looked..,, finished midfield..,, got held up a few times..,,wasn't beaten far at the end

[Raw Instinct]

No I had seen that that was half the reason why I had a shot at him in the Golden Jubilee did find it interesting that he had been over the hurdles before hand.

[watsonnek]

No I had seen that that was half the reason why I had a shot at him in the Golden Jubilee did find it interesting that he had been over the hurdles before hand.

Over hurdles! :eek: Now I know why I didn't back him last year lol
Still, very strange :confused:

[WAOS]

That was Balthazaars Gift (50/1 that day), Raw..,,currently listed 70/1..,,done nought since that run..,,Les Arcs (33/1 that day) won the Darley July Cup (1200) following his Golden Jubilee win but failed dismally at York (1200) mid May last..,,currently listed 20/1


Les Arcs needed the run at York!
Had a wide draw, big weight & an easy track which did not play to his strengths.
Same race Amadeus Wolf an impressive winner.
Has matured further since his last campaign.

[watsonnek]

Been reported that there's been 1 bet of $16K at $5.50 with Sportingbet Australia on the Lee Freedman trained Miss Andretti to take out the Golden Jubilee Stakes. Not you westman!?

[westman]

I wish ;) Go the fighting tigress!!!

[kiwiz]

no doubt the Oz invaders should do well but I'll be having some both totes AL QASI. won 4 from 6 last season. failed [but not beat far] first-up behind Amadeus Wolf in the Duke Of York Stakes but not known for first-up ability.

[WAOS]

Soldier's Tale an interesting nomination.
Won 3 from 5 before being sidelined for 22 months before making his reappearance when a fighting 3rd behind Amadeus Wolf in the Duke Of York Stakes (1200M).
Followed that run with another fighting 3rd over 1400M at Haydock.
Obviously much fitter for those runs.

[sportzfan]

GOLDEN JUBILEE STKS (ALL IN)

Horse Win Place

MISS ANDRETTI $4.60 $1.90
BENTLEY BISCUIT $5.00 $2.00
TAKEOVER TARGET $6.00 $2.25
AMADEUS WOLF $7.50 $2.62
ASSET $9.00 $3.00
AL QASI $12.00 $3.75
MAGNUS $12.00 $3.75
SOLDIERS TALE $15.00 $4.50
TAX FREE $15.00 $4.50
BALTIC KING $17.00 $5.00
BENBAUN $17.00 $5.00
BORDERLESCOTT $17.00 $5.00
FIRENZE $17.00 $5.00
MUTAWAAJID $17.00 $5.00
EXCELLENT ART $21.00 $6.00
LES ARCS $21.00 $6.00
MUNADDAM $21.00 $6.00
PRIME DEFENDER $21.00 $6.00
ASSERTIVE $26.00 $7.25
BYGONE DAYS $26.00 $7.25
DANDY MAN $26.00 $7.25
MOSS VALE $26.00 $7.25
RED CLUBS $26.00 $7.25
HELLVELYN $35.00 $9.50
HONOURED GUEST $35.00 $9.50
RISING SHADOW $35.00 $9.50
SANDER CAMILLO $35.00 $9.50
WI DUD $35.00 $9.50
FAYR JAG $51.00 $13.50
HAMOODY $51.00 $13.50
PIVOTAL POINT $51.00 $13.50
SATRI $51.00 $13.50
ASHDOWN EXPRESS $71.00 $18.50
BALTHAZAARS GIFT $71.00 $18.50
MARCHAND D OR $71.00 $18.50
OPERA CAPE $71.00 $18.50
PRESTO SHINKO $71.00 $18.50
SILVER TOUCH $71.00 $18.50
SOMETHING $71.00 $18.50
THEANN $71.00 $18.50
WASSEEMA $71.00 $18.50
APPALACHIAN TRAIL $101.00 $26.00
BLUE ECHO $101.00 $26.00
DUTCH ART $101.00 $26.00
FACCHETTI $101.00 $26.00
QUITO $101.00 $26.00
RABATASH $101.00 $26.00
STEENBERG $101.00 $26.00
DRAYTON $151.00 $38.50
MASTERSHIP $151.00 $38.50
BLACKMALKIN $201.00 $51.00
DHAULAR DHAR $201.00 $51.00
FULLANDBY $201.00 $51.00
ROYAL STORM $201.00 $51.00
TOMBI $201.00 $51.00

[beberrycareful]

you can get 8/1 for both Target & Biscuit if you shop around.
they will be shorter after the Kings Stand.
& both more suited in this imo.

[sportzfan]

Al Qasi (IRE)

Amadeus Wolf

Appalachian Trail (IRE)

Ashdown Express (IRE)

Assertive

Asset (IRE)

Baltic King

Benbaun (IRE)

Bentley Biscuit (AUS)

Borderlescott

Bygone Days

Dandy Man (IRE)

Drayton (IRE)

Excellent Art

Fayr Jag (IRE)

Firenze

Hamoody (USA)

Magnus (AUS)

Mastership (IRE)

Miss Andretti (AUS)

Moss Vale (IRE)

Presto Shinko (IRE)

Quito (IRE)

Red Clubs (IRE)

Rising Shadow (IRE)

Soldier's Tale (USA)

Something (IRE)

Steenberg (IRE)

Takeover Target (AUS)

Theann

Tombi (USA)

Wi Dud

[goldeee]

MISS ANDRETTI
DANDY MAN
TAKEOVER TARGET
AMADEUS WOLF
ASHDOWN EXPRESS

[westman]

Freedman making a decision Friday if Miss Andretti to back up in this.
Assume some doubt Bentley Biscuit as well.

[westman]

MISS ANDRETTI 2.20 1.30
TAKEOVER TARGET 5.00 2.00
AMADEUS WOLF 8.50 2.87
MAGNUS 11.00 3.50
ASSET 13.00 4.00
BENTLEY BISCUIT (doubtful) 17.00 5.00
AL QASI 18.00 5.25
BORDERLESCOTT 21.00 6.00
DANDY MAN (doubtful) 26.00 7.25
FIRENZE 26.00 7.25
SOLDIERS TALE 26.00 7.25
ASSERTIVE 35.00 9.50
BALTIC KING 35.00 9.50
BENBAUN (doubtful) 35.00 9.50
BYGONE DAYS (doubtful) 35.00 9.50
EXCELLENT ART (doubtful) 35.00 9.50
RED CLUBS 35.00 9.50
MOSS VALE 51.00 13.50
RISING SHADOW 51.00 13.50
WI DUD 51.00 13.50
FAYR JAG 81.00 21.00
ASHDOWN EXPRESS 101.00 26.00
HAMOODY 101.00 26.00
PRESTO SHINKO 101.00 26.00
SOMETHING 101.00 26.00
THEANN 101.00 26.00
QUITO 151.00 38.50
APPALACHIAN TRAIL 201.00 51.00
DRAYTON 201.00 51.00
MASTERSHIP 201.00 51.00
STEENBERG 201.00 51.00
TOMBI 251.00 63.50

[westman]

Not surprisingly a few doubtful & Miss Andretti firming.

[WAOS]

Form Horse Age Weight Trainer Jockey
11211-6 Al Qasi (IRE) 4 9-4 P W Chapple-Hyam K McEvoy
43235-1 Amadeus Wolf 4 9-4 K A Ryan N Callan
0-41540 Appalachian Trail (IRE) 6 9-4 I Semple T Eaves
326455 Ashdown Express (IRE) 8 9-4 C F Wall G Baker
204-251 Assertive 4 9-4 R Hannon R L Moore
13/102-1 Asset (IRE) 4 9-4 R Hannon R Hughes
0120-40 Baltic King 7 9-4 H Morrison J Fortune
22153-1 Benbaun (IRE) 6 9-4 M Wallace
40-4111 Bentley Biscuit (AUS) 6 9-4 Gai Waterhouse
1262-22 Borderlescott 5 9-4 R Bastiman
20211-4 Bygone Days 6 9-4 Saeed bin Suroor
4103-12 Dandy Man (IRE) 4 9-4 Tracey Collins
435-306 Fayr Jag (IRE) 8 9-4 T D Easterby
01-2341 Magnus (AUS) 5 9-4 Moody Moody
35-0223 Moss Vale (IRE) 6 9-4 D Nicholls
062-403 Presto Shinko (IRE) 6 9-4 R Hannon
06-0604 Quito (IRE) 10 9-4 D W Chapman K Darley
5510-20 Red Clubs (IRE) 4 9-4 B W Hills M Hills
3411-14 Rising Shadow (IRE) 6 9-4 T D Barron J Quinn
1114/33 Soldier's Tale (USA) 6 9-4 J Noseda J Murtagh
0/1160-3 Something (IRE) 5 9-4 T G Mills
0005-60 Steenberg (IRE) 8 9-4 M H Tompkins
021-521 Takeover Target (AUS) 8 9-4 J Janiak
2301-13 Firenze 6 9-1 J R Fanshawe J P Spencer
213-111 Miss Andretti (AUS) 6 9-1 L Freedman
1255-40 Drayton (IRE) 3 8-11 M F De Kock
11331-4 Excellent Art 3 8-11 A P O'Brien
110-0 Hamoody (USA) 3 8-11 P W Chapple-Hyam
214404 Mastership (IRE) 3 8-11 C E Brittain E Ahern
3450-12 Tombi (USA) 3 8-11 J Howard Johnson
12212-5 Wi Dud 3 8-11 K A Ryan D O'Donohoe
21-3035 Theann 3 8-8 A P O'Brien

[watsonnek]

Freedman making a decision Friday if Miss Andretti to back up in this.
Assume some doubt Bentley Biscuit as well.

Hope they don't get too greedy. Winning in course record time must have taken something out of the engine room.

[ijuandaQLD]

Hope they don't get too greedy. Winning in course record time must have taken something out of the engine room.

i understand what ur saying but regardless of the time she would have put in the same effort to win the race in whatever time..... if the time reads 59.44 instead of 57.44 and she still wins it doesnt mean she's done it easier...... they went there to win from the start. they would have planned for her to be at her peak for the king stand but yes the only doubt was whether she would back up. i dont think they would have ever even thought about just giving her the run in the king's stand to save her for the ascot

[Chuck]

shes won the first 3 legs of the World Sprint Challenge, why stop now? ;)

[westman]

shes won the first 3 legs of the World Sprint Challenge, why stop now? ;)

My thoughts exactly, Chuck :)

But I'm sure if she's not right she won't run.

[suds]

didnt take them long
big offers for Miss Andretti
from a Kentucky and a European stud
both offers rejected

[iggy25]

offers of $3 million + is what I read

[WAOS]

Saturday June 23 2007
Ascot 15:45
Golden Jubilee Stakes (group 1)
£350000.00 added, 3yo plus, 6f, Class 1, £198730.00 penalty
22 runners
Going: Good (good to firm in straight)

No. (barrier) Form Horse Age Weight Trainer Jockey
1 (15) 11211-6 Al Qasi (IRE) 4 9-4 P W Chapple-Hyam K McEvoy
2 (7) 43235-1 Amadeus Wolf 4 9-4 K A Ryan N Callan
3 (2) 7-41548 Appalachian Trail (IRE) 6 9-4 I Semple T Eaves
4 (14) 284-251 Assertive 4 9-4 R Hannon R L Moore
5 (12) 13/192-1 Asset (IRE) 4 9-4 R Hannon R Hughes
6 (13) 0120-48 Baltic King 7 9-4 H Morrison J Fortune
7 (17) 1262-22 Borderlescott 5 9-4 R Bastiman R Ffrench
8 (8) 27211-4 Bygone Days 6 9-4 Saeed bin Suroor L Dettori
9 (5) 435-386 Fayr Jag (IRE) 8 9-4 T D Easterby J F Egan
10 (21) 1-23413 Magnus (AUS) 5 9-4 Peter G Moody D M Oliver
11 (9) 062-403 Presto Shinko (IRE) 6 9-4 R Hannon J H Bowman
12 (18) 86-7604 Quito (IRE) 10 9-4 D W Chapman K Darley
13 (22) 5519-28 Red Clubs (IRE) 4 9-4 B W Hills M Hills
14 (1) 3411-14 Rising Shadow (IRE) 6 9-4 T D Barron J Quinn
15 (11) 1114/33 Soldier's Tale (USA) 6 9-4 J Noseda J Murtagh
16 (10) 21-5214 Takeover Target (AUS) 8 9-4 J Janiak J Ford
17 (4) 2381-13 Firenze 6 9-1 J R Fanshawe J P Spencer
18 (16) 13-1111 Miss Andretti (AUS) 6 9-1 L Freedman C Newitt
19 (20) 1255-40 Drayton (IRE) 3 8-11 M F De Kock W M Lordan
20 (6) 110-7 Hamoody (USA) 3 8-11 P W Chapple-Hyam O Peslier
21 (3) 214404 Mastership (IRE) 3 8-11 C E Brittain E Ahern
22 (19) 12212-5 Wi Dud 3 8-11 K A Ryan M J Kinane

[WAOS]

Playing the exotics around the aussies in particular Miss Andretti [for obvious reasons].
Best of locals probably Amadeus Wolf, Al Qasi, Borderlescott, Firenze & Soldiers Tale.

[chubby]

sounds like magnus will be sticking around to continue racing in the nh to add to his stud value

[westman]

MISS ANDRETTI 2.20 1.26
TAKEOVER TARGET 5.50 2.00
AMADEUS WOLF 8.50 2.66
MAGNUS 11.00 3.22
ASSET 13.00 3.66
AL QASI 21.00 5.44
BORDERLESCOTT 21.00 5.44
FIRENZE 26.00 6.55
RED CLUBS 26.00 6.55
SOLDIERS TALE 26.00 6.55
ASSERTIVE 35.00 8.55
BALTIC KING 35.00 8.55
BYGONE DAYS 35.00 8.55
RISING SHADOW 51.00 12.11
WI DUD 51.00 12.11
FAYR JAG 81.00 18.77
HAMOODY 101.00 23.22
PRESTO SHINKO 101.00 23.22
QUITO 151.00 34.33
APPALACHIAN TRAIL 201.00 45.44
DRAYTON 201.00 45.44
MASTERSHIP 201.00 45.44

[grey sapphire]

Been reported that there's been 1 bet of $16K at $5.50 with Sportingbet Australia on the Lee Freedman trained Miss Andretti to take out the Golden Jubilee Stakes. Not you westman!?

Someone's really laughing now!

[woodyman]

Been reported that there's been 1 bet of $16K at $5.50 with Sportingbet Australia on the Lee Freedman trained Miss Andretti to take out the Golden Jubilee Stakes. Not you westman!?

and i thought my 100 bux at 5.50 was looking good!

[chubby]

yeah, makes my 5 minties same odds look insignificant

[puntersteve]

A bit of rain Royal Ascot, track now rated good to soft, soft in places. No greys :( The downunder trio look very strong. Miss Andretti, Takeover Target & Magnus. Baltic King & Wi Dud are my outsiders.

[Mav3000]

so whats the latest on bentley biscuit?

[watsonnek]

The Group 1 July Cup at Newmarket on July 13 is his next target

[watsonnek]

Hope they don't get too greedy. Winning in course record time must have taken something out of the engine room.

Hmmmm, no further comment

[Raw Instinct]

annoyed I didn't through something on the winner fell asleep on the couch and missed the shutoff time on the unitab site nearly backed it today wanted to get a bit of an idea of odds $32 win on unitab turns out to be real generous good luck to anyone who landed it

[watsonnek]

Soldier's Tale an interesting nomination.
Won 3 from 5 before being sidelined for 22 months before making his reappearance when a fighting 3rd behind Amadeus Wolf in the Duke Of York Stakes (1200M).
Followed that run with another fighting 3rd over 1400M at Haydock.
Obviously much fitter for those runs.


Were you on WAOS?

[WAOS]

I was watsonnek.
What a thrilling finish!
Had both Target & Soldiers.
Soft track didn't help Miss Andretti any.
Soldiers may now start in the July Cup.
Don't think Target nominated.
Soldiers a great chance for the double if conditions are similar to the Jubilee.

[Privateer]

WAOS said: "Playing the EXOTICS around the aussies in particular Miss Andretti [for obvious reasons]. Best of locals probably Amadeus Wolf, Al Qasi, Borderlescott, Firenze & Soldiers Tale." Add Takeover Target to those and that's SEVEN horses you have backed in a race 17,000 kilometres away!!!

AND your latest comment suggests you won money on the race!!!

ROTFLMAO.....You guys!!! "Desperation" and "self deluding" are the words that immediately spring to mind!!!

See some of the same old faces still pretending that they're gun punters.

[suds]

WAOS said: "Playing the EXOTICS around the aussies in particular Miss Andretti [for obvious reasons]. Best of locals probably Amadeus Wolf, Al Qasi, Borderlescott, Firenze & Soldiers Tale." Add Takeover Target to those and that's SEVEN horses you have backed in a race 17,000 kilometres away!!!

AND your latest comment suggests you won money on the race!!!

ROTFLMAO.....You guys!!! "Desperation" and "self deluding" are the words that immediately spring to mind!!!

See some of the same old faces still pretending that they're gun punters.

...pretending that they're gun punters...LOL..guess that just about sums us ALL up LOL

[diogenes]

WAOS said: "Playing the EXOTICS around the aussies in particular Miss Andretti [for obvious reasons]. Best of locals probably Amadeus Wolf, Al Qasi, Borderlescott, Firenze & Soldiers Tale." Add Takeover Target to those and that's SEVEN horses you have backed in a race 17,000 kilometres away!!!

AND your latest comment suggests you won money on the race!!!

ROTFLMAO.....You guys!!! "Desperation" and "self deluding" are the words that immediately spring to mind!!!

See some of the same old faces still pretending that they're gun punters.I don't know you, nor WAOS or anyone on this site.
Maybe you are right, I don't lnow if WAOS has a rep of being suspiciously celebratory after the race has run.
I do know, however, that he called it. He not only mentioned it in a list of 7 horses in a race with heaps of runners, but he highlited it and introduced it on top.
It made me go off and web search the horse, and I liked what I saw.
It was a value chance after Miss Andretti's enormous energy expenditure in the last, a comment made by another astute punter here.
I am no experienced punter, in fact, I almost got wiped out again in the last 4 days, I have sailed from great heights and landed near zero with a thud.
I'm posting because even if you are right Privateer, you didn't arrive there by assessing it from what WAOS wrote, it was uncalled for, you come off as a poster unable to see another punter score in a race that took down your huge punt on a certainty at low low odds and make a killing on it, leaving you bitter and writhing in resentment.
I know the feeling, I did it the other day on Goldie, against all my better judgement. Doesn't mean it's ok to allow it to make me knife another punter because I suspect them to be skiting without any evidence.
<dunno if="" waos="" is="" a="" fella,="" but=""> He called it.
And by the way Privateer, that 17,000 mile away quinnie paid HUGE.
Let's try to be a little supportive of each other, it's the height of stupidity to compete when it is really us punters against the system!</dunno>

[WAOS]

Thanks for the positive input diogenes :)

Was asked if I backed Soldiers Tale, which I did.
FYI in the end I put more on Soldiers Tale than I initially planned - had good previous form good to soft. My luck!
Didn't say if I made a profit (or loss) overall.
What's the point, that's between me & my wallet.

Looks like someone didn't have their wheeties today :)

[Privateer]

In fact Diogenes, I DID arrive at my conclusion by analysing what had been written! Statistical and scriptural analytical profiling is my area of expertise. I did that for 28 years before taking up punting full time.

I simply get tired of posters saying one thing pre race and then another post race. ie I'm playing the exotics/I backed the winner. Further, if he HAD "played the exotics" he'd be spruiking about the quinella that apparently paid well. Which is it? The exotics or the winner? In the end, based on his most recent posting, it would seem that he lost money. I hope he DID win but that is not the issue.

Further, if you ever get the time to read through any previous postings I've made here, you'll understand that there is absolutely no way I would place 1 cent on a favourite, let alone one 17000 kms away on a rain affected track!! You will also see that far from "competing" here, I have generally been more than supportive of the "us -v- them" philosophy.

I suppose one of the points I was trying to make is that if people are serious about their punting, why bet on races with little available form, in a foreign country where knowledge of racing patterns, track bias, etc etc.. is limited, on a race on at some ungodly hour of the day? Can anybody see why I feel that that smacks of utter desperation?

For what it is worth WAOS, I am man enough to apologise for having a shot at you and for the obvious offence you took Diogenes. Good luck.

Privateer

[diogenes]

In fact Diogenes, I DID arrive at my conclusion by analysing what had been written! Statistical and scriptural analytical profiling is my area of expertise. I did that for 28 years before taking up punting full time.

I simply get tired of posters saying one thing pre race and then another post race. ie I'm playing the exotics/I backed the winner. Further, if he HAD "played the exotics" he'd be spruiking about the quinella that apparently paid well. Which is it? The exotics or the winner? In the end, based on his most recent posting, it would seem that he lost money. I hope he DID win but that is not the issue.

Further, if you ever get the time to read through any previous postings I've made here, you'll understand that there is absolutely no way I would place 1 cent on a favourite, let alone one 17000 kms away on a rain affected track!! You will also see that far from "competing" here, I have generally been more than supportive of the "us -v- them" philosophy.

I suppose one of the points I was trying to make is that if people are serious about their punting, why bet on races with little available form, in a foreign country where knowledge of racing patterns, track bias, etc etc.. is limited, on a race on at some ungodly hour of the day? Can anybody see why I feel that that smacks of utter desperation?

For what it is worth WAOS, I am man enough to apologise for having a shot at you and for the obvious offence you took Diogenes. Good luck.

PrivateerNow I see where you are coming from.
I haven't read back on your postings but I will take your word for it.
I was reacting to the posting from WAOS where he had Soldiers Tale highlighted as can be seen on this page as a quote from Wattsonek.
Seemed unfair to lay into the fella after he pointed out the horse specifically.
I am a novice, I'm new to punting and here to pick up whatever I can in how to go about it. For me, frustration means people talking about which horse will win an event when what I want to hear is WHY , how they analyse and so on.
Since you are being so forthcoming and sincere I will admit I was niggling and manipulating when I stated "that quinnie paid huge". I thought I was engaging someone being small minded and sticking the boot in and hoped to get it out in the open.
It worked but the results weren't as expected, much like my punting!
So I am not offended, but caught in the middle championing anothers' cause as it were.
I understand how it must feel for others far more experienced and knowledgable as I am now annoyed with newcomers making posts like I did 6 months ago.
While the points you made in your last post may be good ones, I think it is fair to say you didn't touch on them in the post to WAOS, (the parameters you outlined on betting on a race without knowledge of factors like track bias and so on I mean).
What did you do as an occupation re:Statistical and scriptural analytical profiling is my area of expertise?
Only WAOS will know if you are correct, and if you are he will be red faced. Perhaps he will be big enough to tell us.

[Privateer]

My occupation was an intelligence analyst.

[Privateer]

If you'd like some guidance Diogenes, drop me a line at privateerpunt@hotmail.com and we'll see if we can get you on track.

[diogenes]

If you'd like some guidance Diogenes, drop me a line at privateerpunt@hotmail.com and we'll see if we can get you on track.Very decent of you.
With my margin of error being almost infinite I don't see how I can possibly refuse.

[Privateer]

No problemo.