Class Ratings

[Dale]

Putting my head on the chopping block here.

I'm looking for some honest opinions and suggestions from the forum about this method ive been using lately,i'd particlary like to hear from those with their own ratings method about what they would do with these figures and what would be the best way to capatalise on the information but all opinions are welcome.

Todays top 3 selections-


EAGLE FARM 1 - 1MW C - 1500
4-YASS RIVER (NZ) 120
7-SPIKES 103
3-ACCELERATION 72

EAGLE FARM 2 - 2MW LY C - 1200
1-KUTALO 135
7-MONSOON SUNRISE 96
8-TORNADIC SKY 88

EAGLE FARM 3 - CL6 C - 1200
4-PALACE LOVER 144
7-TOUR GUIDE 135
2-TESTIMONIAL 132

EAGLE FARM 4 - 3 CL6 C - 1000
1-SASHENKA 755
5-FALCO STAR 336
3-FELINE HUNTER 211

EAGLE FARM 5 - NMW C - 1000
3-I'M A LEADER 58
9-MAJOR BOYINGTON 49
5-ALTAICA 47

EAGLE FARM 6 - HCP C - 1800
3-DARING FORTUNE 231
5-NEXGEN 103
2-ADAVALE HORNET 101

EAGLE FARM 7 - SC C - 1400
2-JACK AND ICE 110
11-COUNT HENRY 99
3-FINE CHEVAL 93

EAGLE FARM 8 - CL6 C - 1600
5-OCTOBER SKY (IRE) 100
3-BOUND TO 94
2-NELLIE GOT THERE 88

MOONEE VALLEY 1 - 3Y F HCP C - 1200
5-BRAZEN HUSSEY 462
1-EXTENSION OF TIME 257
2-MURJANA 112

MOONEE VALLEY 2 - 3Y HCP C - 1533
1-KINUGAWA 79
3-WAHY 69
2-MONSIEUR FERAUD 51

MOONEE VALLEY 3 - RB89 C - 1000
6-DIRTY DENIM 164
5-SAAYEB (NZ) 140
11-RIVER FAIRY 137

MOONEE VALLEY 4 - 3U F&M HCP C - 2040
1-EMPIRE DANCER 152
2-MAGIC TORI 88
3-BROLAGO 75

MOONEE VALLEY 5 - HCP N - 2500
1-ISTA KAREEM (NZ) 340
4-DEFINING (GB) 277
2-SENTIRE (NZ) 216

MOONEE VALLEY 6 - AURIES LR N - 1200
2-BLUTIGEROO 4417
3-CASUAL PASS 1732
1-EL SEGUNDO (NZ) 1256

MOONEE VALLEY 7 - HCP C - 1600
2-EMERALD JACK 684
1-CEFALU (CHI) 490
3-HADDLE MCDADDLE 331

MOONEE VALLEY 8 - 4U MARES C - 1600
5-ELECTRIC PUHA (NZ) 136
7-GLORIOUS DANE 131
2-MOLLY'S FOLLY 121



RANDWICK 1 - 3 F CL3 C - 1200
2-TRESOR 570
4-BEYONCE'S STAR 186
3-OCCURRENCE 112

RANDWICK 2 - 3U 3UP-WL C - 2400
8-LANG (NZ) 182
2-AUSBRED KING 176
3-LOOKOUT 160

RANDWICK 3 - 3U CL3 C - 1600
1-BEAU COVET 124
2-HUMMA 86
9-POWER SWITCH 80

RANDWICK 4 - 3UFMCL4 C - 1600
2-CRAIGLEA CHARM 108
1-BODY BEAUTIFUL 89
4-MYSTERY QUEEN 78

RANDWICK 5 - 3 S DOME3N - 1000
1-SHAFT 3869
2-HURRIED CHOICE 2760
5-MIMI LEBROCK 1413

RANDWICK 6 - 3U 3UP-HC N - 1600
1-COUNTY TYRONE 2485
9-STABLE TALK 218
6-GO CART 206

RANDWICK 7 - 3U CL6 C - 1400
10-RUBINDA 195
2-OAKLAND LAD 169
5-COLUMATE 140

RANDWICK 8 - 3U 3UP-WL C - 1200
1-SPIRIT OF TARA 563
6-SIR COVET 327
4-LET ME ADAM 241

MORPHETTVILLE 1 - 3 1MW C - 1200
3-NOT SO SUBTLE 120
7-SWIFT MISS 64
4-BELTIJA 62

MORPHETTVILLE 2 - RB86 C - 2004
5-MISS BALL 35
2-SILENT ACTION 33
10-RUDE 'N' ABRUPT 25

MORPHETTVILLE 3 - HCP C - 2500
4-THISONESONME (NZ) 104
2-LONDO 95
1-BROUGH SUPERIOR (NZ) 35

MORPHETTVILLE 4 - 3UFM1MWLY C - 1200
4-FELLINA 89
2-MADAM LUSH 48
3-YOUNG DOCTOR 43

MORPHETTVILLE 5 - RB91 C - 1100
1-CHANGING EYES (NZ) 160
3-ROSSI 46
5-DARK AMBITION 44


MORPHETTVILLE 6 - RB86 C - 1600
5-TWO SHADES OF BLUE 170
3-SON OF SPARTACUS 62
11-REEF 50

MORPHETTVILLE 7 - SPRING3N - 1200
6-AMYJAYE POWER 590
2-SASSBEE 562
12-TRULY BEAUTIFUL 506

MORPHETTVILLE 8 - RB75 C - 1200
3-ELA YE MOU 503
10-BLACKFORD 31
15-SPARKLING XAAR 30


BELMONT 1 - 3U RB90 C - 1200
5-STRATAZOA 81
2-MR DIAGNOSIS 69
1-DRIFTER 65

BELMONT 2 - 3 3Y HCP C - 1200
2-THE FUTURE 71
7-BLESCAY 66
1-LACIDA 56

BELMONT 3 - 3U 3UP HC C - 2000
4-HAIL MARY 109
7-KIM JOY 108
2-WHO DID IT 105

BELMONT 4 - 3UFM3UPF&M C - 1600
2-GLAMOURZON 95
9-RUSSIAN PLAYMATE 71
4-INSTALL 65

BELMONT 5 - 3UEGRB90 C - 1600
3-MOTIVATOR 94
5-DESIARNEZ 90
4-OUR GREY HALO 87

BELMONT 6 - 3U RB79 C - 1200
5-KENT RIVER 73
9-HI DRAMA 68
8-SECRET ENIGMA 52

BELMONT 7 - 3U RB86 C - 1400
6-TALK TO THE WALL 108
8-RICH KEN 93
5-SKY SPIRIT 77

BELMONT 8 - 3U 3UP HC C - 1000
4-SILVER SEAM 146
5-INNOVATION 127
3-GREAT NATION 110

[darkydog2002]

Add 1 to the number of your selections in each race (3 + 1 = 4) and use $4.00 as your MINIMUM acceptable price with no MAXIMUM price. ( Dont have any cutoff point.)

Cheers.
darky.

[Dale]

Thanks Darky i'll take the idea on board,would prefer to convert the ratings to odds and look for the overs though.

[Dale]

The forum curse struck again,ill think twice about posting selctions on here again lol.

It seemed every second top raters was either 1st or 2nd up which probably didnt help,i was happy to bet on them though,ive had some good results recently with first uppers.


It wasnt all bad though,some of the positves were,


(BR,SR,MR,AR,PR)

* The clear top raters in races with 10 or plus starters placed 6 out of 11 times for an $11.30 return.

* The 2nd top rater won 9 of the 40 races and returned $49.50 for a nice little profit.

* Boxing the top 3 in quinellas resulted in 11 out of 40 wins and returned $161.10 for a $41.10 profit.


(All uni tab covered meetings)

* The top rater won 18.66% of all races yesterday,14 out of the 75 which is only 3 wins away from what i expect.

* The 6 highest raters won 81.33% of the 75 races aswell as providing some very nice quinella and trifecta results,a couple of $40 plus winners for the 5th and 6th raters with the top 6 trifectas out of those races were amongst the highlights.

[Dale]

CAULFIELD 1 - HCP C - 2000
3-MAGNETIC 242
6-DANE EMPIRE 210
2-LANCETTIER (ARG) 137

CAULFIELD 2 - HCP C - 1600
3-METTRE EN JEU (NZ) 604
2-EXPUNGE 464
5-DOLPHIN JO 446

CAULFIELD 3 - 3 CG VAIN S LR N - 1100
1-ZIZOU 5327
2-MURTAJILL 4637
3-SHREWD RHYTHM 1674

CAULFIELD 4 - 3 F QUEZET LR N - 1100
1-FORENSICS 5569
3-CHINCHILLA ROSE 3348
2-SLEEK CHASSIS 2205

CAULFIELD 5 - 3U F&M HCP C - 1400
1-REGGIE (NZ) 515
2-PURDE (NZ) 379
5-RUSSIAN BELLE (NZ) 162

CAULFIELD 6 - 3U LISTON G2 N - 1400
5-SPHENOPHYTA (NZ) 3433
1-APACHE CAT 2666
10-RED LORD 2038

CAULFIELD 7 - 4UP HCP C - 1200
2-LEICA FALCON 13730
1-HOFMEISTER (NZ) 547
6-MONAHAN TWEED 317


CAULFIELD 8 - 4U M COCKRAM G3 N - 1200
3-STORM SIGNAL (NZ) 889
1-UNIVERSAL QUEEN (NZ) 671
6-DEVIL MOON 599


DOOMBEN 1 - 2MW C - 1640

2-YASS RIVER (NZ) 134
3-RULE BY RIGHT 104
1-GUERROUJ 92

DOOMBEN 2 - 3 CL6 C - 1110
1-MFUWE 219
4-PELLTRO 40
5-SATIN BIRD 30

DOOMBEN 3 - 1MWLY C - 1110
6-CONSIDER YOURSELF (NZ) 120
5-BOLD REASON 80
7-COURT ADJOURNED 77

DOOMBEN 4 - NMW C - 1200
2-TELLASECRET 86
6-GIRL OF THE WEST 86
4-MINI VIEW 75

DOOMBEN 5 - CL6 C - 1640
1-WILLY LEICA 202
5-DOONAN 104
9-BELLES OPINION 79

DOOMBEN 6 - 4U CL6 C - 1030
5-POIYM 290
4-GIACOMETTI 150
1-ALTERNATE 139

DOOMBEN 7 - QLTY N - 1350
1-LACHLAN RIVER (NZ) 440
6-SINGLE ROSE 306
4-WARRIOR TRADER 277

DOOMBEN 8 - NMW C - 1200
1-CAMBOOYA 124
10-JUST A CLASSIC 77
4-ORRONG 52



MORPHETTVILLE 1 - 3 1MW C - 1050
1-VICTORY CHANT 132
9-THESANDMANCAN 97
8-DISQUIET 66


MORPHETTVILLE 2 - HCP C - 1800
5-SON OF SPARTACUS 75
1-FRAACLASE 63
3-WOODLAND JACK 49

MORPHETTVILLE 3 - 3U HDLE - 3200
1-FRENZILIAN 67
4-NORTHWOOD 26
2-BELIEVE IN VICTORY 23

MORPHETTVILLE 4 - 3U HDLE - 3200
1-CONZEAL (NZ) 398
2-TOAST TO LENNY 17
8-DESERT PICASSO 15

MORPHETTVILLE 5 - 3U 2MWLY C - 1600
1-ROAD WORKER 74
4-LAST SHOGUN 74
9-ROYAL SINGER 71

MORPHETTVILLE 6 - RB81 C - 1050
7-TULLY STORM 55
11-KUROTAKA 50
2-ROCK ON RONNY 35

MORPHETTVILLE 7 - 3U 2MWLY N - 1200
4-CATECHISM 112
1-LORD BRAEMAR 95
2-LE NISKA 87


MORPHETTVILLE 8 - FM CL3 C - 1200
4-FALVELON'S DREAM 92
1-SILENT SOPHIA 44
7-JOYOUS RAIN 33

ROSEHILL 1 - 3U CL6 C - 1900
7-BIG AL HAZIM (IRE) 104
1-PITA HAPA (NZ) 99
2-ONLY HE KNOWS (NZ) 91
4-LANCASTER PARK 91


ROSEHILL 2 - 3U NMW C - 1100
7-BONCOEUR 125
4-DOUBLE ENTENDRE 88
11-HURRICANEPRINCE 60

ROSEHILL 3 - 3U FM CL6 C - 1200
1-NOVEMBER FLIGHT 192
5-MISTIFIES 156
11-PENIKI PARK 110

ROSEHILL 4 - 3U CL3 C - 1400
6-FIANCHETTO (NZ) 1389
1-SIR JAMES (NZ) 1384
2-COUSIN WAL (NZ) 151



ROSEHILL 5 - 3U PREMIE G2 N - 1200
1-MENTALITY 3989
5-FASHIONS AFIELD 1429
8-CAMARILLA 1014

ROSEHILL 6 - 3 RUNTOR G3 N - 1300
3-VECCHIA ROMA 2947
1-CENT PER CENT 655
7-LISSON GROVE 142


ROSEHILL 7 - 3U CL6 C - 1100
8-DANZIBAA 804
1-MONTANA SUNSET 184
10-PRICELESS LAD 143


ROSEHILL 8 - 3UP-WL C - 1500
3-NO WINE NO SONG 1076
15-KINCHARM (NZ) 312
2-NEWTON'S RINGS 227


BELMONT 1 - 3Y HCP C - 1000
1-SCENIC BLAST 550
5-SHOW STORM 54
2-DEVOUTLY 46

BELMONT 2 - 3UP HC C - 1600
5-I COMMAND 130
2-MONEY EXCHANGE 90
7-LEGEND EXPRESS 48

BELMONT 3 - 3Y HCP C - 1400
8-LAST CURTAIN 81
5-AMBERLYN 65
4-KENNITY 62

BELMONT 4 - 3U RB90 C - 2100
3-DANACOLADA (NZ) 99
1-ACTION PLAN 65
7-LA SOEUR NOIR 63


BELMONT 5 - 3U RB86 C - 1600
2-LORD LONSDALE 81
1-DESIARNEZ 58
3-MY EMPIRE 57

BELMONT 6 - 3U RB79 C - 1400
1-TUMMLER 67
4-BOLD RANSOM 66
3-AMBA ALE 54


BELMONT 7 - 3U GOODWO LR N - 1300
2-SCENIC SHOT 1392
10-VAIN CRUSADER 647
7-TARZI 240

BELMONT 8 - 3U RB90 C - 1200
10-ALPINE LAD 87
4-EUCLASSY THING 81
7-RANCHER'S BOY 76

[crash]

Top class horses get beaten by inferior horses all the time for very good reasons other than lack of ability or luck in the running on the day.

No point backing any horse unless it is ready to win. In other words the conditions suits the horse and is the optimum period[s] of it's campaign: Could be a 1st up or 2nd up winner or a 4th to 8th up winner, the distance must suit as there are often some class stayers prepping in sprints for longer races etc. and a heap of other condition details to look at.

The old saying 'you can't lose by backing class' is absolute myth. When to back it is more to the point and that is no easy question to answer.

[Bhagwan]

Hi Dale ,
Thanks for sharing your findings.

If you wish to calculate your points to price, there are 2 programs that you can use that will do this.

One is the Neurals program at Racingandsport.
Set everything to 0
Delete all the runner that you dont want by placing a mark next to their name.
Press enter
Now enter your rating figures next to their name, then press enter & Bingo , you have a result.
The percentages can then be tweeked from there.

This next way is probable simpler.
Go to Ozracetools.
There is a program in there for converting points to prices.
There you have it.

You will need to adjust your book percentage to about 45-50% if using 3 horses.

The percentage is usually calculated around the SR of those combined selections & maybe tweek it down a little further.
e.g. 86% SR for top 6 selections . Set book percentage to 76-86%

Cheers.

[Dale]

Hi Bhagwan.

Thanks for the links,ill have to check them out,they sound good.

Ive converted the ratings to odds in the odd race but as it is a real chore and the ratings themselves are still very raw i havent bothered going into it that deeply yet.

I was using a sliding scale,giving 100% of the rating to the top rater,95% to the 2nd top rater,90% to the 3rd and so on in incuments of 5% and then adding them all before dividing their individual score into that figure,it seems to work nicely but if i can get much the same thing without the hassle of having to do it manualy ill head that way.

[Dale]

Going back to saturday the ratings ended up slightly in profit,the win of Storm Signal at $25 (upto $35 elsewhere)being the highlight.

My own records were much better,i recommend a few simple filters,things like only betting on races with 10 starters or more, eliminating older horses with too many race starts and ignoring ratings recorded at a distance 1000m and more from todays distance can make a world of difference.

[syllabus23]

Without the face to face contact or voice inflections it can be difficult (at times) to express an opinion in here without offending someone.

It really shouldn't be necessary to add smileys to every statement one makes,nor should it be necessary to start an all out war over what has been interpreted or misinterpreted as a deliberate sleight.

If there is someone that you really cant hack,you can do this......

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I have only one immature individual on mine,and because I have seen the frustration of failed (would be) academics, I should be more understanding.
But I cant be bothered.

[Stix]

Without the face to face contact or voice inflections it can be difficult (at times) to express an opinion in here without offending someone.

It really shouldn't be necessary to add smileys to every statement one makes,nor should it be necessary to start an all out war over what has been interpreted or misinterpreted as a deliberate sleight.

If there is someone that you really cant hack,you can do this......

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I have only one immature individual on mine,and because I have seen the frustration of failed (would be) academics, I should be more understanding.
But I cant be bothered.Great Idea..... have used it already.....!!

[Dale]

Top class horses get beaten by inferior horses all the time for very good reasons other than lack of ability or luck in the running on the day.

No point backing any horse unless it is ready to win. In other words the conditions suits the horse and is the optimum period[s] of it's campaign: Could be a 1st up or 2nd up winner or a 4th to 8th up winner, the distance must suit as there are often some class stayers prepping in sprints for longer races etc. and a heap of other condition details to look at.

The old saying 'you can't lose by backing class' is absolute myth. When to back it is more to the point and that is no easy question to answer.

Crash,

When i asked for opinions on these ratings i wasnt expecting the whole class as a ratings tool, to be on the table,it annoyed me and caught me off gaurd so i apolagise for the comments that got deleted,i did ask for opinions.

[Dale]

Todays ratings,or whats left of them-

BELMONT 1 - 3Y HCP C - 1200
1-JESTATUNE 545
6-KANTURK 90
7-SPY STORY 56
2-LACIDA 49
3-MY TIME 45

BELMONT 2 - 3UP F&M C - 1400
6-RAVINIA 60
4-AUNT DOROTHY 55
7-YELLOW MOON 54
1-OVER LOCK 45
3-LUST FOR DUST 41



BELMONT 3 - 3U RB90 C - 1650
5-SKY SPIRIT 85
1-OUR GREY HALO 81
6-GLAMOURZON 72
2-SQUARE ONE 42
4-TRIPLE DEE 36

BELMONT 4 - 3U RB79 C - 1650
4-FLIRTSON 65
2-WESTERN FORCE 63
5-WINNING SCENE 58
6-SILVER AMBUSH 48
8-SEYMOUR PARK 27

BELMONT 5 - 3U 3UP HC C - 2100
1-WHO DID IT 108
6-ACTION PLAN 85
2-MONEY EXCHANGE 67
3-MEN AT WORK (NZ) 64
4-ROSSKAEN 60

BELMONT 6 - 3U FM RB79 C - 1200
2-DANZATRICE 87
6-CACHEREL 66
4-FLEETING WINGS 47
11-ROSSA REGINA 34
15-ZANY LADY 32


BELMONT 7 - 3UP HC C - 1200
1-FOREST FROLIC 208
7-INNOVATION 136
4-SILVER SEAM 124
9-ROYALE HARVEST 121
6-VALICIA 103


BELMONT 8 - 3U RB86 C - 1000
1-ANASAZIS 103
8-OUR KATARINA 99
2-LACHINO 74
4-CASPER COWBOY 65
6-PRICELESS SYMBOL 52

BELMONT 9 - 3U EG RB90 C - 1400
6-TALK TO THE WALL 103
7-RICH KEN 99
9-KENT RIVER 72
11-OSCAR WILDLY 70
4-EUCLASSY THING 63




DARWIN 1 - RB76 C - 1100
4-ALEHAUS 98
5-GENTLE ZEPHYR 32
2-CALL ME LUCKY 26
3-KELVINSIDE LAD 15
1-THE SPY WHO SHAGNY 5

DARWIN 2 - HCP C - 1200
3-TOWN PLAYER 83
1-CARAGA SUNSHINE 78
2-KAPPA 58
5-GIGGLEFIT 22
6-LADY LYN 20

DARWIN 3 - RB63 C - 1000
2-MUSKETEER (NZ) 27
7-JAY PARK 26
4-LYNNE SPECIAL 16
1-SHAG INDEED 15
5-RAZZOTANO 11

DARWIN 4 - RB69 C - 1500
5-NARITA 31
4-CEE JAY'S SUN 28
2-NOVICES 24
6-LINKIN PARK (NZ) 22
9-FULL PLATE BARD 18

DARWIN 5 - RB58 C - 1200
2-ROYALTON 19
7-LANGILLE 16
3-PLEAD GUILTY 13
5-HELL FREEZES OVER 12
1-ZDRAVO 11

[Dale]

Darwin race 1 is incorrect,a mistake was made when transfering the ratings to the forum,it should read -

DARWIN 1 - RB76 C - 1100

5-GENTLE ZEPHYR 32
2-CALL ME LUCKY 26
3-KELVINSIDE LAD 15
4-ALEHAUS 10
1-THE SPY WHO SHAGNY 5