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TWOBETS
26th February 2008, 05:21 PM
Geez I pondered forever on this thread, but finally decided to go ahead.
What I'm looking for is folks to come clean on how good they are! Now I know this is a bit like asking a bloke how big his old fella is, but I'm looking for truthfull answers even though I'm not asking for back up evidence. (This is concerning your betting, not your old fella!)
What I'm looking for is the stats of your best systems, be they win, place, exotics or whatever.
To make it meaningful your system must qualify:
1). Minimum 200 bets.
2). Minimum 5 bets average per week.
3). Not a purple patch edited from a system.
4). Current system.--not history from the good old days.
How do you measure up?
1) SR? 2) AVERAGE DIVIDEND?
Of course the reason I was wondering was that mine looks bigger every time I look at it, (my bank balance that is) and I was wondering if I should rest on my laurels or is there an even better system out there waiting for me?
partypooper
26th February 2008, 05:48 PM
TWOBETS, maybe if you "polished" your's a bit more, maybe you wouldn't need to look at anyone elses hee he! (only joking TWOBETS!)
Mine grows by more than 4%, has a Strike Rate of 70%, and averages about 1.5 mind you I'm not as young as I once was, but I still know where to PLACE it!
TWOBETS
26th February 2008, 06:10 PM
It's kinda frightening ain't it Party putting this stuff out there for all to see so I thank you from deep down for coming out.
Yours looks pretty damn impressive to me but I can still rest on my laurels. Mine is bigger than yours but if I could place it for that much I'd be very happy.
mathewg
26th February 2008, 07:24 PM
To make it meaningful your system must qualify:
1). Minimum 200 bets. 2733
2). Minimum 5 bets average per week. up to 50 a day
3). Not a purple patch edited from a system. nope
4). Current system.--not history from the good old days. yep
How do you measure up?
1) SR? 19.9%
2) AVERAGE DIVIDEND? $5.68
I will be interested how mine compares?
TWOBETS
26th February 2008, 07:42 PM
That sure is a big one Mathew!
I'm running these submissions through the online Drawdown calculator and can confirm that yours is big enough to frighten any partygoer.
But! I'm afraid mine is still bigger on both % edge and profit. Still you could wave that average dividend around and impress anyone...including me mate.
mathewg
26th February 2008, 07:46 PM
LOL. Thanks mate.
Where is this drawdown calculator?
TWOBETS
26th February 2008, 07:55 PM
Methinks gratitudes go to another contributor for this. It is a useful tool and I suspect the owner has many useful tools!
home.iprimus.com.au/jfc2000/drawdown.htm
partypooper
26th February 2008, 08:42 PM
Well, let's face it TWOBETS, if it was any smaller than 1.5 I would have been Joan instead of John hee hee! BUT look at the strike rate? and NO COMPLAINTS.
Little boys never grow up, they just grow old.
I'm sure there are many "members" with more impressive tails, (er that's tales)
Keep it up TWOBETS
mathewg
26th February 2008, 08:50 PM
But! I'm afraid mine is still bigger on both % edge and profit.Nobody likes a show off TWOBETS!!
So just how big is it?
TWOBETS
26th February 2008, 09:09 PM
Well Mathew as big as mine is, I can also claim that thanks to Mr Smith on this site over the last six months mine has continued to get bigger!
These impressive figures however do not show that increase specifically and are merely an overall of the last three years.
$1.87 76%
Silver_and_sand
27th February 2008, 01:52 AM
I'm forever fiddling with mine...my sytem that is...lol...but here's the stats on my newly refined system.
Bet for the win
24.2% strike rate
$10.76 ave price per winner
160.5% pot
longest losing streak = 13
Bet for the place
44.8% strike rate
$2.66 ave price per place
19.4% pot
longest losing streak = 6
Unfortunately, I average only 3 to 4 bets per week, so technically my system doesn't meet your guidelines of 5 minimum. It's not how big it is, but what you do with it that really counts though right...lol.
I have only been collecting data for my system since 10/2006, so I've only got 223 selections thus far, and unfortunately I haven't been betting this version of my system the whole time, since I recently discovered a couple of great new filters.
TWOBETS
27th February 2008, 09:33 AM
That should read Gold and Platinum!
Crikey mate I can tell you never leave yours alone.....it's freakin' HUGE!!!!
Serously impressive set of figures there and it really does make me want to get back to that drawing board and keep on thinking outside my silly little square. It's been so long since I came up with a radically different system that I was starting to think maybe I'd tried it all already. Not many bets per week, sure, but who cares with a return like that?
Thanks a million for spurring me on.
Bhagwan
27th February 2008, 10:27 AM
Heres one that has a 90% place SR
Chasing the 300+ Ptr in the Neurals set on Std Factory settings .
Bet 1 unit a win Lay & Bet 2 units for it to run a place.
Using Betfair.
They very rarely win, but they get placed a lot for some reason .
About 10-12 bets a week.
Cheers.
partypooper
27th February 2008, 10:42 AM
Well, with some of THOSE monsters, I'd better stand and pee in the corner! mine too finds 10-12 bets a week and I have steadily increased stakes, but I guess it's all about having the "B A L L S" to "plonk' it on ey?
thorns
27th February 2008, 11:43 AM
Hey partypooper,
Just looking at the results that you have put up, it comes out as exactly the same results as a place system I have been trialling. Out of curiosity, did a member off these forums pass it on to you? I havent actually started betting it yet, just building up a good size starting bank at present.
partypooper
27th February 2008, 11:56 AM
G'Day Thorns, no this particular one is all mine, though some of the filters are well tried. I have passed my thoughts onto other members via e-mail, but that is usually not about the initial selection process. The only other things I could say though is that BEST tote is essential.
crash
27th February 2008, 12:22 PM
Gee LOOK ...everyone is measuring themselves!
AngryPixie
27th February 2008, 12:30 PM
Mine is only pixie sized http://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/smilies/redface.gif
TWOBETS
27th February 2008, 05:32 PM
You know what they say about Pygmies! Hell, I once saw a David Attenborough thingy on Pygmies and he made a point of how big their Strike Rates were.
No kidding, impressive set of figures on those fellas!!!
partypooper
27th February 2008, 06:51 PM
In my experience it's the ones that brag that seem to use the cubicles and buy big cars!
but talking of "horses" what would you reckon to this win system, a particular genuine run: 9 losers followed by a 2-1 winner then 7 losers folowed by a 1-1 winner? any comments appreciated.
Mr Quaddie
27th February 2008, 07:06 PM
Do you guys just bet the win? Is betting the win more profitable long term? ...or do you guys bet each way? Which will give us the more profit long term.
TWOBETS
27th February 2008, 08:37 PM
Hi Mr Q. For me I would have thought it depends on the system.
Personally I have a place system that has a ridiculously high SR with very average dividend averages. While this doesn't have the better POT compaired to my best win system, it is still where I place my serious dosh because I'm more comfortable without the ups and downs.
IMHO.
partypooper
27th February 2008, 11:58 PM
Mr Quaddie, mmmmm, really into in dividual preferences here, see the "win" side of things tends to come out OVER TIME with a better POT, but on the downside is the regular runs of outs (which is what I was trying to coax some comment about in the other post) BUT with the place betting is the regular payouts x smaller POT.
Horses for courses as they say, in my case I HATE TO LOSE, so place betting is for me, take today as an example
PR3-5 Loser, PR 6-6 $4.30 w $1.80 p, PR7-10 placed $1.70c, so on the day + 50c (16.66%) that to me is excellent business, but IF I'd bet for the win =+ $1.30 (43.33%) but that is just one day.
When the horse wins it doesn't bother me at all, I just think in terms of THAT is a place!
syllabus23
28th February 2008, 06:11 AM
Alchemy is the art of turning base metal into gold.No-one has ever managed to pull it off.
We are attempting to predict a future outcome with some extremely limited information.Even people with unlimited cash,the ability to buy the most brilliant mathematicians,programmers etc etc, and access to the best information fail in the long term.
This should be telling us that punting is a fun hobby,and like most hobbies will cost a few $$$$.Take it seriously and we are heading for financial disaster.
The number of forumites who conclude their posts with the words "good luck" (including myself) have inadvertantly hit the nail on the head.
Good Luck.
partypooper
28th February 2008, 11:13 AM
syllabus23, the game of course is stacked against the player, you know like the Pokie Machine that displays a sign saying "This machine pays out a minimum of 85%" really means "over time this machine is set to take 15c from every dollar that goes through it"
But of course it's possible for one person to walk past the machine put in 1$ and hit the jackpot, someone wins Lotto every single week!
There has always been "professional punters" few enough % for the game to continue, but still a lot in numbers. Very astute people, or very lucky people, but who was it that said "The harder I work at it the luckier I get"?
stugots
28th February 2008, 03:10 PM
ive know several people over the years that would disagree with you comments syllabus23,
if one expects to front up & find that magic system well you'll get bitten
put the effort in & results can start to swing your way & that really becomes the start of the journey
plenty areas of life we find 'impossible' & as long as we believe that it will be true
crash
28th February 2008, 03:41 PM
Alchemy is the art of turning base metal into gold.No-one has ever managed to pull it off.
We are attempting to predict a future outcome with some extremely limited information.Even people with unlimited cash,the ability to buy the most brilliant mathematicians,programmers etc etc, and access to the best information fail in the long term.
This should be telling us that punting is a fun hobby,and like most hobbies will cost a few $$$$.Take it seriously and we are heading for financial disaster.
The number of forumites who conclude their posts with the words "good luck" (including myself) have inadvertantly hit the nail on the head.
Good Luck.
I'm with you mate. 5,673 bits of info. needed to make a correct technical punt. Very few bits of info. available!
Place versus win? It's obviously in the odds. Win bet wins every time over time.
Punting is a good hobby and heaps of fun. If you want to make money there are plenty of places to do it besides punting. Even Bank term deposits will do better than punting!
What punting does offer is the chance of winning to those who have no capital for other options [bit like Tatslotto] and for real ************, a place to wash money!
Good Luck.
syllabus23
29th February 2008, 06:58 AM
"if one expects to front up & find that magic system well you'll get bitten"....
Hmm I dont recall saying anything like that.
I do know that in average fields almost any punter can reduce the chances down to five horses.The part which brings 99.9% of us unstuck is consistently reducing those five down to one,
I'm not suggesting that it's impossible.Clearly the long term contributers to this forum (disregarding the entrepreneurs marketing their various products) do it often enough to stay in the game without developing a gambling problem.
Prior to EI I attended on average three race meetings a week.Now that the EI problem appears to have been resolved I'm looking forward to resuming my hobby (which is horse racing as opposed to gambling).Over the years I have made many racing friends from bookies, trainers, various connections etc.The ones who depart the scene are (predictably) the ones who thought that they could make gambling pay.In the long term they dont.
I see too many desperates both in real life and forumites who appear and disappear overnight to enter that topic.
Good Luck.
crash
29th February 2008, 07:18 AM
In [almost] 40yrs of punting I could never make a wage out of it either. I've been in it for the enjoyment and it's been GRAND!
The get rich quick kids just come and go because they love money, not the sport and the biggest problem of picking a winner consistently [for them], lies between the chair and the form-guide. The rest of us know inconsistency is consistent with the sport :-)
stugots
29th February 2008, 01:52 PM
"if one expects to front up & find that magic system well you'll get bitten"....
Hmm I dont recall saying anything like that.
probably because i never suggested you did...
there is however a level of negativity that regularly exudes from this place that is quite tiresome
crash
29th February 2008, 03:04 PM
probably because i never suggested you did...
there is however a level of negativity that regularly exudes from this place that is quite tiresome
I think it fair to say one man's negativity is another man's wisdom.
Mark
29th February 2008, 03:09 PM
Hey stugots, it's also known as "I can't do it, therefore no-one can".
crash
29th February 2008, 04:53 PM
I think you missed the light hearted stoicism in the recent posts Mark, as did Stogots. Some people have a sense of humour and some don't I guess. Something I've never witnessed from you anyway, so your comment is totally consistent.
Mark
29th February 2008, 05:36 PM
As did you crash, as did you.
syllabus23
1st March 2008, 06:38 AM
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Ahhh Italians,,,,They say it so succinctly,but if that's the way you see yourself I defend your right to self expression.
crash
1st March 2008, 01:04 PM
To all an sundry:
lest we forget - Dust + Water = MUD.
partypooper
1st March 2008, 01:17 PM
Now now Crashy boy, youre a fishing man, don't take the bait mate!
anyway what's wrong with 1.5 FEET hahahah!
stugots
2nd March 2008, 09:45 AM
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Ahhh Italians,,,,They say it so succinctly,but if that's the way you see yourself I defend your right to self expression.
lol
Definitions of stugots on the Web:
* Stugots, (Pronounced Stu-gats) is the name of the boat owned by Tony Soprano, head of the New Jersey-based fictional crime family The Sopranos in ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stugots
if your going to get personal at least get it right, you sad little man
btw, how much did you lose yesterday, because thats all you do right, lose?
stugots
2nd March 2008, 09:46 AM
Hey stugots, it's also known as "I can't do it, therefore no-one can".
yes, i know the type well mark, to be avoided like the plague of possible!
TWOBETS
2nd March 2008, 07:37 PM
Well well well ! That got a little hot under the collar for a while but things seem to have petered out now.
I would like to thank those that had the cahunas to put up their long term results because as we know it does attract the negative feedback from the non believers.
To me now this game is like shooting fish in a barrel and courtesy of my high SR is very predictable indeed. I hasten to add that I am always ready for the bubble to burst and have other strategies waiting should that happen.
So this is the ultimate "no proof" but look how good I am posting. I post this not to annoy the likes of Mr Crash (who's input I value immensely) but simply to keep those poor ************s who have the one necesssary trait to find an angle in this game, some hope.......persistence is all I ever used.
It ************ well CAN be done. Keep looking.
partypooper
3rd March 2008, 12:59 AM
TWO BETS, yes as predicted it snagged the usual comments. The crazy part is for most of em' they could just pick the 2nd or 3rd fav, in the newspaper pre-post prices and have a GUARANTEED S/R, probably better than what they can achieve otherwise, hey they might even lose less, hee hee!
syllabus23
3rd March 2008, 06:18 AM
* Stugots, (Pronounced Stu-gats) is the name of the boat owned by Tony Soprano, head of the New Jersey-based fictional crime family The Sopranos in ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stugots
It also has a literal meaning,,but then again it appears that literacy is not your strong point.
crash
3rd March 2008, 08:18 AM
TWO BETS, yes as predicted it snagged the usual comments. The crazy part is for most of em' they could just pick the 2nd or 3rd fav, in the newspaper pre-post prices and have a GUARANTEED S/R, probably better than what they can achieve otherwise, hey they might even lose less, hee hee!
Actually, that's not a bad system Party! I used to keep a note on how the 2nd. and 3rd. pp fav. went at the major Sat. meets from the 'Winning Post" form guides. It offered some very profitable days following those runners. Some losing days sure, but as a quick system to follow it has a lot going for it.
Single bets on either 2nd or 3rd pp fav. seem to work better than backing both.
As for the bit of a hullabaloo that developed here, I think some reaction was more to do with the obvious ability of 'fishing stories' to be told without evidence to back them up more than anything else.
Sure, any claims made in this forum could be true, but naturally vis-a-vis also applies. Claimants integrity is rarely challenged, but no evidence is being provided either, so they should except as fair any readers right of disbelief too without suffering narky [and often personal] comments. I always treat high profit claims with humour, not belief or disbelief. If I believed all the evidence free claims I've read here over the years, I would have bought the Sydney Harbour bridge by now :-)
There is always an easy way to prove punting prowess. It's called posting pre-post selections for a week or two, or entering the comps. and over the years, high profit claimants rarely [never?] do either, but often rage at any doubters as quick as a flash.
syllabus23
3rd March 2008, 09:02 AM
"There is always an easy way to prove punting prowess. It's called posting pre-post selections for a week or two, or entering the comps. and over the years, high profit claimants rarely [never?] do either, but often rage at any doubters as quick as a flash".<!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->
Aint that the truth.
Normally I dont bother arguing with women,I have let my better judgement get the better of me just recently,and will now leave them to get on with their knitting.
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partypooper
3rd March 2008, 11:53 AM
Crash, point taken, but there is more than one way to skin a rabbit, I keep following the tippings comps. but realise that there is no point in entering, with my style of betting, my % is minute and only obtained over a sustained period of time. There are no spectacular wins anymore, the differece is when I did bet like that I was actually LOSING.
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