Neural Selections

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I have been tinkering with some Neural settings since 26th July on Saturdays only. As at 15th November there has been 109 selections for 36 winners (and another 22 placed horses). This gives a win strike rate of 33.0% and a 66.2 POT% (using Sportsbet citybest+ dividends).

There are 5 selections for today :-

Sandown R4#5 Sensational Toy
Sandown R5#1 Itsamonty
Sandown R8#4 Whitehaven Girl
Eagle Farm R4#3 Rezone
Eagle Farm R6#2 Borsh'a Mark

Let the Forum Curse begin!!!

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Close but no damaged done - finished just in front for the day

Sandown R4#5 Sensational Toy 3rd
Sandown R5#1 Itsamonty WON $5.10
Sandown R8#4 Whitehaven Girl 2nd
Eagle Farm R4#3 Rezone 4th
Eagle Farm R6#2 Borsh'a Mark 2nd

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Here we go for 22nd November!

Eagle Farm R7#15 Insistence
Eagle Farm R8#3 Satsang
Moonee Valley R6#2 Justsay Sumthink
Moonee Valley R8#5 Snappy Tom
Morphettville R6#7 Falvelon's Dream

A bit of value with several of these selections.

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Nearly a great day with Satsang finishing 2nd in EF R8 after Insistence won EF R7 at $37.30!

Eagle Farm R7#15 Insistence WON $37.30
Eagle Farm R8#3 Satsang 2nd
Moonee Valley R6#2 Justsay Sumthink unpl
Moonee Valley R8#5 Snappy Tom unpl
Morphettville R6#7 Falvelon's Dream unpl

Update
10 bets 2 winners 6 place
Outlay $10
Collect $42.40
POT% 324.0 (Nice but won't continue!)

[Marcus]

Absolutely brilliant. Thanks a lot. I backed Insistence. Yippeeeee!!

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Hi Marcus

Glad to see you also backed Insistence. It was a great result. As with any day on the punt there will be bad days, good days and great days. A $37.30 winner was a unexpected but gratefully accepted!
Let's hope our success continues.

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Here we go for 6th December!

Caulfield R1#4 Ulysses
Caulfield R6#1 Itsamonty
Caulfield R7#4 Boss It's Over
Caulfield R8#9 Snappy Tom
Doomben R3#1 Tariki
Doomben R7#13 Tour Guide

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No luck today with 4 placings ($3.40, $2.20, $3.30 & $5.70) from the 6 selected horses. As I said last week you have bad days, good days and great days - this was a bad day!
Update:
16 bets 2 winners 10 places
Outlay $16
Collect $42.40
POT 165.0%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $16
Collect $34.64
POT 116.5%

Great thing about this game there is always next week!

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Here we go for 13th December.

Eagle Farm R5#1 Red Sphere
Eagle Farm R6#5 Strat's Flyer
Eagle Farm R7#10 Satsang
Flemington R2#2 Ballack
Flemington R6#7 Jennings
Flemington R8#2 Dr Nipandtuck
Morphettville R7#6 Just Flipper

The only proviso for today is if Flemington or Morphettville is downgraded to a Heavy Track ther eis not bets at those meetings. Good Luck!

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With Flemington being downgraded to a Heavy Track we finished with 4 bets.

Eagle Farm R5#1 Red Sphere
Eagle Farm R6#5 Strat's Flyer WON $2.60/$1.40
Eagle Farm R7#10 Satsang 2nd -/$6.40
Morphettville R7#6 Just Flipper

A short 1/2 head meant a "bad" day rather than a "great" day - isn't that the punter's lament. Satsang was paying a win dividend of $17.20 - so close yet so far!

Update:
20 bets 3 winners 12 places
Outlay $20
Collect $45.00
POT 125.0%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $20
Collect $42.24
POT 111.2%

The good thing is there is always next week. Good punting.

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Selections for 20th December are :-

Doomben R3#3 Our Lucas
Doomben R6#3 Sir Breakfast
Doomben R7#10 Cocktail Supreme
Doomben R8#1 Mr Slick
Flemington R7#4 Immortality
Morphettville R3#2 Miss Razzle Dazzle

A mixture of a shortie and some longer priced selections.

Good luck and bring on the Christmas Turkey!

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Again we are thereabouts but no doing any damage (either way)!

Doomben R3#3 Our Lucas 2nd -/$1.50
Doomben R6#3 Sir Breakfast 3rd -/$3.30
Doomben R7#10 Cocktail Supreme
Doomben R8#1 Mr Slick WON $1.50/$1.30
Flemington R7#4 Immortality
Morphettville R3#2 Miss Razzle Dazzle WON $3.10/$1.20

Update:
26 bets 5 winners 16 places
Outlay $26
Collect $49.60
POT 90.7%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $26
Collect $49.54
POT 90.5%

Bring on next Saturday!

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Here we go for Saturday 27th December. Only 2 selections both at Doomben.

Doomben R7#1 Rags To Riches
Doomben R8#4 Borsha's Mark

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Not quite the result we wanted today with both horses running 2nd. One (Rags to Riches) tried to lead all the way but got "nutted" near the line and the other (Borsha's Mark) chasing hard but didn't quite pick up the leader!

Doomben R7#1 Rags To Riches 2nd -/$3.00
Doomben R8#4 Borsha's Mark 2nd -/$1.70

Update:
28 bets 5 winners 18 places
Outlay $28
Collect $49.60
POT 77.1%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $28
Collect $54.24
POT 93.7%

As I am away for a week there will not be any selections next Saturday (3rd Jan). Bring on the 10th January!

Have a Great Profitable New Year to everyone.

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Well we're back after a freshen up.

Selections for 10th January 2009 are :-

Caulfield R4#4 Annesong
Caulfield R5#3 Mind Your Head
Caulfield R6#1 Itsamonty
Caulfield R8#2 Go Missy
Cheltenham R5#7 Jest For Fun
Gold Coast R5#5 Satsang
Gold Coast R8#5 Voice Commander

Good luck to all!

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Not bad today with 3 winners and a 3rd from the 7 bets (one race only having 4 runners so no place pool - fortunately we got the winner!).

Caulfield R4#4 Annesong WON $4.80/$1.70
Caulfield R5#3 Mind Your Head WON $4.40/npp
Caulfield R6#1 Itsamonty
Caulfield R8#2 Go Missy WON $2.40/$1.40
Cheltenham R5#7 Jest For Fun
Gold Coast R5#5 Satsang
Gold Coast R8#5 Voice Commander 3rd -/$2.60

Update:
35 bets 8 winners 22 places
Outlay $35
Collect $61.20
POT 74.8%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $34
Collect $59.94
POT 76.3%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

[crash]

Nice going mate!

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Thanks Crash,

I know I'm a long way from the holy grail but maybe I'm at least heading down the right path! Time will tell. Small steps followed by small steps.

[cairnspunter]

Mate, your strike rate and POT on place betting only is outstanding, based on the 35 bets. It will be interesting to see if these results continue once the data set becomes larger (hopefully it does!).

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Hi Cairnspunter,

We would all be dreaming if we thought we could maintain those sort of return on investment long term. The figures I am quoting here are from the first day I put up the selections (22nd November 2008).

I have been following this Neural method of selections since 26th July 2008. the results since then has been:-

Selections 144
Wins 44
Win S/R 30.6%
Places 79
Place S/R 54.9%
Win Outlay $144.00
Win Collect $242.40
Win POT% 68.3%
Place Outlay $143.00 (one race had only 4 runners so no place pool)
Place Collect $174.14
Place POT% 21.8%

144 selections is still a very small data set but since it is currently paying dividends I'm enjoying the adventure!

[cairnspunter]

Thought it was too god to be true! You are absolutely right though, the larger data set reveals the truer picture. It is interesting how the place POT drops significantly, yet its strike rate is still reasonably high (63% down to 54%). The win strike rate rises from 22% to 30%.

144 selections, while not large, is a reasonable size to have some confidence in. Let's see what the next 12 months bring.

[cairnspunter]

Hi Try Try Again I ws interested I was interested in exploring the neural algorithm approach - can you steer me in the right direction in terms of any published articles or books on the subject?

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Hi Cairnspunter,

As a starting point I would go to the Racing and Sports website,
go to Racing -Today
go to Free Daily Stats
Select a meeting to open e.g. Ballarat
Select Neural Algorithms
Go to Read Neural Explanation

Otherwise I would Google "Neural Algorithms Horse Racing".

I have not been as interested in the theory as more in the practice!

Good luck in your adventure.

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Selections for Saturday 17th January are:-

Eagle Farm R2#3 Hunters Moon
Eagle Farm R8#1 Majorca
Flemington R4#1 Vigor
Flemington R5#11 Raffaello
Flemington R6#12 Silky Smooth
Flemington R7#3 Immortality
Morphettville R4#1 Merlot Now

Good luck to all!

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Disappointing to say the least with only Vigor winning but we did get 3 other placings.

Eagle Farm R2#3 Hunters Moon
Eagle Farm R8#1 Majorca 3rd -/$2.00
Flemington R4#1 Vigor WON $1.90/$1.10
Flemington R5#11 Raffaello
Flemington R6#12 Silky Smooth
Flemington R7#3 Immortality 2nd -/$1.90
Morphettville R4#1 Merlot Now 2nd -/$2.70

Update:
42 bets 9 winners 26 places
Outlay $42
Collect $63.10
POT 50.2%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $41
Collect $68.64
POT 67.4%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

[cairnspunter]

Tough day at the office but place bets only would have got you slightly ahead. I do think that your selections (as places only) would provide steady, but unspectacular, profits in the long run. I'm going to keep following them from a place perspective.

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Hi Cairnspunter,

Thanks for your interest in my Neural selections. The place dividends do keeping things ticking over when we have a day like last Saturday when winners were hard to find. However, with the win POT % is sitting at >60%, since July, I bet only for a win and wear the losses when they occur but also bask in the glory when winners come flowing in! (hope the latter continues!).

With Place strike rate of just over 50% I feel the frustration of some small dividends would not suit me. Obviously, you need to be able to get the "optimum" dividends (whether for a win or a place) to be able to survive in this industry.

I will still continue to list both win and place dividends.

Which ever way you decide to bet good luck to you and I hope success is but a bet away!

[jayjones1]

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Hi Jayjones1,

I'm not sure what you mean by how does this work?

If you want to investigate or play with the Neural options have a look at the Racing and Sports website,
go to Racing -Today
go to Free Daily Stats
Select a meeting to open e.g. Ballarat, Caulfield etc
Select Neural Algorithms

From here you can set the parameters (between 0 and 5) you think may influence the race whether it be Current Form, Jockey/Trainer combinations, $ earnt or any of the other settings. It is upto you.

I have my preferences and they seem to be working.

It is a bit of fun playing with all the variables, you should enjoy it.

Cheers

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[schmucta80]

Those are some very nice looking stats, have you tried other days of the week for this? Maybe even just a Wednesday with the Metrop meetings and high class provincial tracks?

It looks like almost the perfect amount of action for a saturday, nice work

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Hi Schmucta80,

The restrictions I place on the races (I apply the Neural factors to) would eliminate most of the midweek races - I do not look at any restricted races except for Class 6 races.

My initial investigations showed the better class races give more consistent results. This may be a short term result, of course, but it has stood me well over the past 6 months.

The good thing about the neurals is the fun in getting the "correct" settings for the "right" races and distances.

Is it the thrill of the chase or the capture?

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[schmucta80]

I think you are well on the way to having captured something ;)

very nice profit levels

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Selections for 24th January:-

Eagle Farm R7#4 Satsang
Morphettville R3#2 All About Annie
Morphettville R4#1 Idalou
Sandown Lakeside R2#1 Youthful High
Sandown Lakeside R7#6 With Apologies

Good Punting to all!

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Finally Satsang has paid us back after several close finishes!

Results today were:-

Eagle Farm R7#4 Satsang WON $7.40/$2.30
Morphettville R3#2 All About Annie
Morphettville R4#1 Idalou
Sandown Lakeside R2#1 Youthful High
Sandown Lakeside R7#6 With Apologies 2nd -/$2.00

Update:
47 bets 10 winners 28 places
Outlay $47
Collect $70.50
POT 50.0%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $46
Collect $72.94
POT 58.5%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

[cairnspunter]

Thanks to Satsang, the win bets outdid the place bets today. Just a quick question, I have a crappy old computer with Windows 98 and can't seem to manipulate the equations on the website as you suggested previously. Do you have to be a member of Racing and Sports to do this, or is it a problem as I suspect, with my computer?

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Hi Cairnspunter,

Thanks again for your interest in my Neural selections.

I suspect it is your computer as you do not have to be a member to access the Neurals. Saying that I have found at some "peak" times it can be difficult to access the Racing & Sports website. It maybe when they are uploading the next lot of race meetings but I am unsure of this.

Once I have access to the class of the race (I use Friday's Sportsman) I enter my settings, especially the likely track conditions, and when I have my selections I only need to check for scratchings and changed track conditions on Saturday morning.

Hope you have better success next time and the winners regularly start to flow!

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[cairnspunter]

Yeah thought so, if my computer was a car it would be a Datsun 180B.

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Selections for January 31st are:-

Doomben R2#3 Azzaland
Doomben R6#7 Three Chances
Doomben R7#4 Secrets Untold
Flemington R3#3 Ladies In Luck
Flemington R4#1 Cocinero
Flemington R8#2 Itsamonty
Morphettville R8#1 Merlot Now

Good punting to all!

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Another winning day for the win bets although we were let down with the place bets (for those following these).

Results today were:-

Doomben R2#3 Azzaland WON $4.00/$1.90
Doomben R6#7 Three Chances
Doomben R7#4 Secrets Untold
Flemington R3#3 Ladies In Luck WON $5.60/$1.60
Flemington R4#1 Cocinero
Flemington R8#2 Itsamonty
Morphettville R8#1 Merlot Now

Update:
54 bets 10 winners 28 places
Outlay $54
Collect $80.10
POT 48.3%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $53
Collect $76.44
POT 44.2%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

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Neural Selections for Saturday 7th February are:-

Doomben R5#3 Growsir
Doomben R7#3 Dance Girl Dance

With Caulfield being put off until Sunday selections will be listed tomorrow.

Good Punting to all!

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A nice winner with Dance Girl Dance and a closeup 4th (at >$20 odds) with Growsir nearly gave the place betters are "bonanza".

Results today were:-

Doomben R5#3 Growsir
Doomben R7#3 Dance Girl Dance WON $4.90/$1.90

Update:
56 bets 11 winners 29 places
Outlay $56
Collect $85.00
POT 51.8%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $55
Collect $78.34
POT 42.4%

Until tomorrow for Caulfield selections good luck to all!

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Here are the selections for Caulfield:-

Caulfield R5#5 Tora Tora Tora
Caulfield R6#5 Happy Glen
Caulfield R7#9 Light Fantastic
Caulfield R8#8 Annesong
Caulfield R9#4 Rok Posta

Good Punting to all!

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Annesong did the right thing by us to score a good win at Caulfield and Happy Glen was a close 2nd.

Results for today were:-

Caulfield R5#5 Tora Tora Tora
Caulfield R6#5 Happy Glen 2nd -/$2.10
Caulfield R7#9 Light Fantastic
Caulfield R8#8 Annesong WON $7.50/$2.10
Caulfield R9#4 Rok Posta

Update:
61 bets 12 winners 31 places
Outlay $61
Collect $92.50
POT 51.6%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $60
Collect $82.54
POT 37.5%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

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Selections for Saturday 14th February are:-

Cheltenham R7#7 Li'l Cashy
Cheltenham R8#6 Miss Pavlova
Eagle Farm R7#7 Sommersea Drive
Moonee Valley R2#8 Centurytwentyone
Moonee Valley R4#10 Sigidas
Moonee Valley R7#5 Mind Your Head
Moonee Valley R8#3 Youthful High
Moonee Valley R9#3 Count To Zero

Good Punting to all!

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Note : With Eagle Farm coming up with a HEAVY track means R7#7 Sommersea Drive is no longer a selection.

This still leaves us with 7 selections as per previous post.

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A difficult day at the office with only Centurytwentyone saluting at Moonee Valley!

Results for today were:-

Cheltenham R7#7 Li'l Cashy
Cheltenham R8#6 Miss Pavlova
Moonee Valley R2#8 Centurytwentyone WON $4.30/$2.60
Moonee Valley R4#10 Sigidas
Moonee Valley R7#5 Mind Your Head
Moonee Valley R8#3 Youthful High 2nd -/$1.80
Moonee Valley R9#3 Count To Zero

Update:
68 bets 13 winners 33 places
Outlay $68
Collect $96.80
POT 42.3%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $67
Collect $86.94
POT 29.7%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

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Selections for Saturday 21st February are:-

Caulfield R1#1 Cocinero
Caulfield R2#6 Tis Isat
Caulfield R4#5 Scenic Shot
Caulfield R9#9 Delyara
Cheltenham R2#6 Star Of The Stalls
Cheltenham R4#4 Okay Oky

Good punting to all!

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Looks like we are starting to hit "the punting wall" with these Neural selections with again only one winner Okay Oky saluting in Adelaide. It however was a very, very good win over (maybe?) inferior opposition. Buried behind them on the fence, checked on the corner, had to pull across their heals with 100-150m to go and "sprouted" wings to win easily.

Results for today were:-

Caulfield R1#1 Cocinero
Caulfield R2#6 Tis Isat
Caulfield R4#5 Scenic Shot
Caulfield R9#9 Delyara
Cheltenham R2#6 Star Of The Stalls
Cheltenham R4#4 Okay Oky WON $3.60/$1.50

Update:
74 bets 14 winners 34 places
Outlay $74
Collect $100.40
POT 35.6%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $73
Collect $88.44
POT 21.1%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

[luv2bet]

hi TTA,
stick with it mate, im sure you will bounce back.

Watch the replay of okay oky race, if the toppy got out would of slaughtered em! not sure about inferior, just dead unlucky!

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Selections for Saturday 28th February are:-

Caulfield R1#3 Fifth Avenue Lady
Caulfield R7#4 Alamosa
Caulfield R8#4 Northern Point
Eagle Farm R7#3 Vocalic
Eagle farm R8#2 Tisani Boy
Morphettville R6#8 Taos Pleasure
Morphettville R7#6 The Yartz

Good punting to all!

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A very satisfying result with Taos Pleasure saluting a very juicy odds at Morphettville. Fifth Avenue Lady did the right thing and saluted at Caulfield and Tisani Boy added cream to the cake with a win at Eagle Farm. Life is good!

Results were:-

Caulfield R1#3 Fifth Avenue Lady Won $2.90/$1.20
Caulfield R7#4 Alamosa 3rd -/ntd
Caulfield R8#4 Northern Point
Eagle Farm R7#3 Vocalic
Eagle farm R8#2 Tisani Boy Won $6.00/$2.40
Morphettville R6#8 Taos Pleasure Won $22.70/$4.40
Morphettville R7#6 The Yartz

Update:
81 bets 17 winners 38 places
Outlay $81
Collect $132.00
POT 62.9%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $80
Collect $96.44
POT 20.5%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

[cairnspunter]

well done! unfortunately I wasn't on them....oh well theres always next week

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Selections for Saturday 7th March are:-

Eagle Farm R7#8 Rebounded
Flemington R5#7 Typhoon Tracy
Flemington R6#3 Typhoon Zed
Flemington R8#1 Niconero
Flemington R9#13 Lord Monty
Morphettville R7#2 Merlot Now

Good punting to all!

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The good times continue with both Typhoon Tracy and Niconero saluting at Flemington!

Results were:-

Eagle Farm R7#8 Rebounded
Flemington R5#7 Typhoon Tracy Won $3.20/$1.60
Flemington R6#3 Typhoon Zed
Flemington R8#1 Niconero Won $14.40/$3.60
Flemington R9#13 Lord Monty
Morphettville R7#2 Merlot Now

Update:
87 bets 19 winners 40 places
Outlay $87
Collect $149.60
POT 71.9%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $86
Collect $101.64
POT 18.1%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

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Selections for 14th March are:-

Doomben R7#4 Simplest
Flemington R5#2 Renewable
Flemington R6#8 Fifth Avenue Lady
Flemington R7#9 Time Matters
Flemington R8#5 Wilander
Flemington R9#1 Falaise
Oakbank R4#2 Cosmic Commander

Good punting to all!

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The good times continue with Renewable, Fifth Avenue Lady and Wilander saluting at Flemington!

Results were:-

Doomben R7#4 Simplest 2nd -/$2.10
Flemington R5#2 Renewable Won $2.70/$1.30
Flemington R6#8 Fifth Avenue Lady Won $3.90/$1.60
Flemington R7#9 Time Matters
Flemington R8#5 Wilander Won $3.00/$1.40
Flemington R9#1 Falaise
Oakbank R4#2 Cosmic Commander

Update:
94 bets 22 winners 44 places
Outlay $94
Collect $159.20
POT 69.3%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $93
Collect $108.04
POT 16.1%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

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Selections for Saturday 21st March are:-

Caulfield R3#4 Dance On Air
Caulfield R6#1 Cocinero
Caulfield R8#5 Lady Lynette
Eagle Farm R4#1 Rags To Riches
Eagle Farm R7#3 Vocalic
Morphettville R5#4 Merlot Now
Morphettville R7#1 Absolut Glam

Good Punting to All!

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Again a couple of good winners with Dance On Air and Cocinero saluting at Caulfield.

Results were:-

Caulfield R3#4 Dance On Air WON $4.00/$1.70
Caulfield R6#1 Cocinero WON $7.50/2.30
Caulfield R8#5 Lady Lynette 3rd - /$1.60
Eagle Farm R4#1 Rags To Riches
Eagle Farm R7#3 Vocalic
Morphettville R5#4 Merlot Now
Morphettville R7#1 Absolut Glam

Update:
101bets 24 winners 47 places
Outlay $101
Collect $170.10
POT 68.4%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $100
Collect $113.64
POT 13.6%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

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Selections for 28th March are :-

Caulfield R4#1 Joyeuse
Caulfield R6#3 Falaise
Caulfield R7#2 Happy Glen
Doomben R4#3 Humma
Doomben R7#4 Sequallan
Morphettville R4#4 Keepthedreamalive
Morphettville R7#5 Taos Pleasure

Good Punting to All!

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Only one winner today with Humma saluting at Doomben.

Results were:-

Caulfield R4#1 Joyeuse
Caulfield R6#3 Falaise
Caulfield R7#2 Happy Glen 2nd -/$1.50
Doomben R4#3 Humma WON $5.20/$2.10
Doomben R7#4 Sequallan
Morphettville R4#4 Keepthedreamalive 2nd -/$1.30
Morphettville R7#5 Taos Pleasure 2nd - /$3.30

Update:
108 bets 25 winners 51 places
Outlay $108
Collect $175.30
POT 62.3%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $107
Collect $121.84
POT 13.8%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

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Selections for 4th April are :-

Caulfield R6#1 Diplomatic Force
Caulfield R8#4 Disciplined
Morphettville R3#2 Yarterbery
Morphettville R7#1 Annenkov

Good Punting to All!

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Only one winner again today with Duisciplined saluting at Caulfield.

Results were:-

Caulfield R6#1 Diplomatic Force
Caulfield R8#4 Disciplined WON $3.6/$1.80
Morphettville R3#2 Yarterbery 3rd -/$4.20
Morphettville R7#1 Annenkov

Update:
112 bets 26 winners 53 places
Outlay $112
Collect $178.90
POT 59.7%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $111
Collect $127.84
POT 15.2%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

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Only one winner again today with Disciplined saluting at Caulfield.

Results were:-

Caulfield R6#1 Diplomatic Force
Caulfield R8#4 Disciplined WON $3.6/$1.80
Morphettville R3#2 Yarterbery 3rd -/$4.20
Morphettville R7#1 Annenkov

Update:
112 bets 26 winners 53 places
Outlay $112
Collect $178.90
POT 59.7%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $111
Collect $127.84
POT 15.2%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

[Try Try Again]

Selections for 11th April are :-

Caulfield R6#7 Chasm
Caulfield R7#2 Happy Glen
Caulfield R8#8 Ravishing Reward
Eagle Farm R7#2 Friendly Embrace

Good Punting to All!

[Try Try Again]

Again one winner today with Happy Glen saluting at Caulfield.

Results were:-

Caulfield R6#7 Chasm 2nd -/$2.00
Caulfield R7#2 Happy Glen Won $8.50/$2.50
Caulfield R8#8 Ravishing Reward
Eagle Farm R7#2 Friendly Embrace

Update:
116 bets 27 winners 55 places
Outlay $116
Collect $187.40
POT 61.5%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $115
Collect $132.34
POT 15.0%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

[Try Try Again]

Selections for 18th April are:-

Eagle Farm R6#6 Vocalic
Eagle Farm R7#6 Momentously
Flemington R5#1 Happy Glen
Flemington R6#2 Marching
Morphettville R7#14 Impressive Eagle

Good Punting to All!

[Twodogs]

Good Luck Try Try Again,

Would you know how your selections have gone had you only bet the on pace/handy runners?

Cheers and good luck
Twodogs

[jake]

impressive..try try again..do you utilise nns for other sporting events? if so how have you been travelling?

[Try Try Again]

Not so good today with only 2 placings!

Results were:-

Eagle Farm R6#6 Vocalic
Eagle Farm R7#6 Momentously
Flemington R5#1 Happy Glen 3rd -/$2.40
Flemington R6#2 Marching 2nd -/$1.50
Morphettville R7#14 Impressive Eagle

Update:
121 bets 27 winners 57 places
Outlay $121
Collect $187.40
POT 53.2%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $120
Collect $136.24
POT 13.5%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

Hi Two Dogs - No I have not even looked at that aspect. I've been pretty happy with how they have performed.

Hi Jake - Only looked at Horses as the information is so readily available. Not sure where you would locate info for other sports.

Try Try Again

[Twodogs]

Hi Try Try Again,

Reading many of your posts I am sure you would have done your homework. I do enjoy reading your thoughts.

Cheers
Twodogs

[Try Try Again]

Hi Two Dogs,

I do like horses that run on the pace in preference to horses coming from behind as they are less likely to meet with inteference.

I do not have the information available to check back over my neural selections to see if some horses could have been eliminated due to their running pattern.

Thanks for the interest.

[Twodogs]

Nothing today Try Try Again?

Hope all is well?

Twodogs

[Try Try Again]

Hi Twodogs,

You wouldn't believe it I forgot to post the selections!

Just so we can continue the the post they were:-

Eagle Farm R1#3 Fat Possum 2nd -/$2.80
Eagle Farm R7#3 Black Ink
Eagle Farm R8#9 Momentously
Flemington R4#6 Youthful High 3rd -/$3.40
Flemington R5#13 Imashadow Won $5.50/$2.50
Flemington R7#2 Chasm Won $2.40/$1.40
Morphettville R7#2 Royal Ida

Update:
128 bets 29 winners 61 places
Outlay $128
Collect $195.3
POT 52.5%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $127
Collect $147.34
POT 16.0%

Until next Saturday, and I hope I don't forget to post again, good luck to all!

[crash]

Hi Two Dogs,

I do like horses that run on the pace in preference to horses coming from behind as they are less likely to meet with inteference.

I do not have the information available to check back over my neural selections to see if some horses could have been eliminated due to their running pattern.

Thanks for the interest.

It's very difficult for back-markers to win unless there is a genuine pace, especially in races of more than 1100-1200m. A 'genuine pace' is a race that is run within 2 sec. [12 lengths] of the track record for the conditions on the day.

Unless a race has at least 2 leaders [preferably more], a single leader will put the brakes on and turn the race into a jog and sprint, making it almost impossible for back-markers to wind up and run down the leaders.
Leaders or on-pacers generally win these races and accounts for most races above 1200m nowadays. Working out what the race pace is going to be is no easy task without the right info. Also, sectional times are useless unless the race concerned was truly run.

[Try Try Again]

Hi Crash,

Couldn't agree more!

[Try Try Again]

Selections for 2nd May are :-

Caulfield R2#1 Running Riot
Caulfield R3#2 Down Under Boy
Caulfield R5#2 Pinnacles
Caulfield R6#1 Here De Angels
Caulfield R8#5 Royal Charades
Gold Coast R2#3 Agnes Dream
Gold Coast R7#1 El Cambio
Gold Coast R8#8 Russeting
Morphettville R5#1 Delyara
Morphettville R6#1 Takeover Target

Good Punting to all!

[Try Try Again]

Royal Charades and the Champ Takeover Target saluted for us today

Results were:-

Caulfield R2#1 Running Riot 3rd -/$1.80
Caulfield R3#2 Down Under Boy 2nd -/$1.60
Caulfield R5#2 Pinnacles
Caulfield R6#1 Here De Angels Scr
Caulfield R8#5 Royal Charades Won $3.70/$1.70
Gold Coast R2#3 Agnes Dream
Gold Coast R7#1 El Cambio 3rd -/$2.30
Gold Coast R8#8 Russeting 3rd - /$3.90
Morphettville R5#1 Delyara
Morphettville R6#1 Takeover Target Won $1.50/$1.20

Update:
137 bets 31 winners 67 places
Outlay $137
Collect $200.5
POT 46.3%

For anyone looking purely at the place bets
Outlay $136
Collect $159.84
POT 17.5%

Until next Saturday good luck to all!

[reded]

Guess you forgot to post your selections again

[Twodogs]

Where are you Try Try Again? Love following your selections each week as you do so well.

Cheers
Twodogs

[Try Try Again]

Hi Reded & Twodogs,

Sorry for not putting the selections up on Saturday but family commitments meant I just didn't get time. I appreciate your interest in the neurals.

There were 7 selections with just one winner (and one other placegetter - paid $1.20). I guess this was fortunate for me (and unfortunate for anyone following the selections) as the winner was Ladies In Luck which paid $12.20/$3.80.

As I will be away for the next 2 weekends the rules are given below.


Only consider Metropolitan races on Saturdays
Set Neurals to 3 for CF, TIM, CRS, DIST, $
Set WT to 0 for Good/Fast, 1 for Dead, 2 for Slow and 3 for Heavy
All other Neural setting are set to zero
No Sydney races
No Heavy tracks
No equal rated races
Only consider WFA, Open, F&M, Mares, C,H&G, 4yo+, and Class 6 (Note that the Class 6 is "open" Class 6 races and not "restricted" Class 6 races for F&M, 4yo+ or Mares etc.
Qualifier must have both CF and TIM >=10 except for distance races where the qualifier must have CF >= 10 as no TIM is given for distance races
Results since 26th July 2008 are:-

255 bets
70 winners S/R 27.5%
129 places S/R 50.6%
Win bank $141.00 POT% 55.3%
Place bank $23.04 POT% 9.1%

Best of luck with all who jump aboard the Neural train and may it continue to throw up winners!

[Twodogs]

Hello TTA,

Thanks for that!! Looks like it is still travelling very well. What has been the average div and how do you stake them?

Cheers
Twodogs

[Try Try Again]

Hi Twodogs,

Average price is $5.65 with lowest dividend $1.40 and highest dividend $37.30.

There has been 7 winners at odds-on and 9 winners at >=$10.00

We seem to get a good cross section of winners at all price breaks.

I have only bet them for a win at level stakes. My normal betting method would to bet 2% of highest point of bank, but I have not done this here.

Graphically, along the way we hit plateaus before we get a kick up to the next plateau. We are onto our 4th plateau and are expecting a new kick up shortly (or should I say hoping!)

[Twodogs]

Thanks Try Try Again,

Most kind of you to share your research.

Cheers
Twodogs

[allen1]

Thanks for sharing your neurals info I am playing with them but have not refined my info any where near your level.

To see how you are doing will help with my setup.

I always check your selections but have not backed them.


allen

[Try Try Again]

Thanks Allen1 for showing an interest in my Neural selections.

I trust you will get some positive results from my rules and if you get anything close to the holy grail then don't forget to post your selections on a new thread for all to see!

This is when if it will turn belly up, it will.

Good luck

Try Try Again

[Try Try Again]

Selections for 16th May are (early as I have forgotten to list the qualifiers the past couple of Saturdays):-

Doomben R3#4 Solo Flyer
Doomben R4#6 Ortensia
Doomben R7#3 Sir Slick
Doomben R8#2 Royal Discretion
Flemington R5#5 Augusta Proud
Flemington R6#1 Hissing Sid
Flemington R7#7 Arch Symbol

Best of luck with all who jump aboard the Neural train and may it continue to throw up winners!

[1annandale1]

I must say Try Try Again your selections are better than most .Though a losing day Saturday ,not far of the mark .I do add a filter to your selections which eliminated Hissing Sid .To short in price for the field size.Will check through your previous results to see if this filter improves your POT. Keep up the good work.

[Try Try Again]

I'm now back from holidays and based on recent results maybe I shouldn't go on holidays as the winners are few and far between

Results of 16th May were:-

Doomben R3#4 Solo Flyer 2nd -/$1.30
Doomben R4#6 Ortensia Won $4.30/$1.90
Doomben R7#3 Sir Slick 3rd -/$4.90
Doomben R8#2 Royal Discretion
Flemington R5#5 Augusta Proud 3rd -/$2.20
Flemington R6#1 Hissing Sid
Flemington R7#7 Arch Symbol 3rd -/$2.20

I will include here results and selections for 23rd May

Caulfield R1#2 Miss Badoura
Caulfield R4#3 Whitehaven Girl 3rd -/$1.70
Caulfield R7#3 Snappy Tom 3rd -/$1.80
Morphettville R7#1 Disquiet

Results since 26th July 2008 are:-

266 bets
71 winners S/R 26.7%
136 places S/R 51.1%
Win bank $134.30 POT% 50.5%
Place bank $28.04 POT% 10.6%

Best of luck with all who jump aboard the Neural train and may it continue to throw up winners!

[Try Try Again]

Selections for 30th May are:-

Eagle Farm R2#5 Red Element
Eagle Farm R7#2 El Cambio
Eagle Farm R8#4 Illuminates
Flemington R4#2 Prince Vitality
Flemington R7#1 Time Matters

[Try Try Again]

Selections for 6th June are:-

Flemington R7#5 Bashful Girl
Flemington R8#4 Moment In Time