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Chrome Prince
30th December 2008, 01:19 PM
A new system has been added to RaceCensus based on exhaustive research of how horses mature and develop as they get older.

These are the results:

Selections: 1,135
Winners: 387
Strike Rate: 34.10%
Return: $1,251.80
Profit: $ 116.80 (at basic tote prices)
POT: 10.29%
Average Price $3.23
Minimum Price $1.10
Maximum Price $7.80 ****

15 winners based on the maximum price make up the profit!!!

This method has been added to the free systems and tutorial included with the purchase of the RaceCensus horse racing database.

Adding up all the free system returns betting only on Metropolitan tracks returns a whopping 507 units profit.

Why is it whopping?

a) Because it's not made up from one or two horses at big odds
b) Because the returns quoted are at arguably the worst value available.
Top Fluctuation, Betfair etc add at a minimum of 10% more profit.

Previous purchasers of the database are entitled to the details of this new method for free, just by contacting me.

thorns
7th January 2009, 07:09 PM
Over how long a period is that 507 units profit made out of curiosity?

Chrome Prince
7th January 2009, 09:52 PM
thorns,
The profit is made over eight years, however, that is betting on metro races only and using lousy TAB dividends.

The idea behind it all is not in the profit (because it is metro races only) the idea is to construct something that holds up over a long period of time to have the confidence to apply it to any race in any country.

I can tell you without hesitation that all the systems work on all Australian, Hong Kong, South African, UK and US races, because I have had them independently tested and use them myself.

The only thing the punter has to do, is get the best price he can on each selection to guarantee a profit over time.

This is because there are very few filters, and relate to horses, not particular tracks, track surfaces, or climates AND most importantly, do not derive their profits from longshots.

Stix
8th January 2009, 08:35 AM
All I can say is the systems I tested and derived from Race Census produced the following results for 2008:

Bets 420
Wins 142 (S/R 33.8%)
Plcs 242 (S/R 57.6%)
Win +329
Place + 43
WinPOT 78.4% (Av. Div $5.28)
PlcPOT 10.2% (Av. Div $1.91)

....and yes all were bet with real $$$$ for 2008 year....I'm not sure how long it will continue, but these systems have shown similar results for the 7 year test period prior to the actual betting year, so.... I'm slightly confident it should continue to show a profit, how much, not sure as long as it's at least one unit by years end... http://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

(All Metro tracks, surfaces and conditions)

luv2bet
9th January 2009, 08:53 AM
hey chrome,

How easy is the software to use, do you need to be a computer guru to use it, and will it be compatible with vista at any stage. looks good value to me.
cheers

Chrome Prince
9th January 2009, 11:19 AM
hey chrome,

How easy is the software to use, do you need to be a computer guru to use it, and will it be compatible with vista at any stage. looks good value to me.
cheers

Hi luv2bet,
The software is extremely easy to use.
There is a tutorial which walks you through step by step using the systems included to get you started.
This is a tool, a system developer to help you find profitable methods.
It doesn't pick out upcoming selections in races, you have to do that part yourself.
That's half the fun of it ;)

Judging by the number of requests for help, it's extremely easy to pick up once you've done the tutorial.
I think the only queries I've had from clients were questions on very advanced filtering or non selection rules.

Unfortunately I won't be making this program Vista compatable, I've had a couple of clients get it working on Vista who said this:

"once program is installed, right click shortcut, click on properties, go to compatibility and down the bottom put a tick on ‘run as administrator’ and they will just be prompted each time they run the program to allow"
- thankyou Shane.

However, I can not guarantee this will give you all the functionality that the program requires and can not guarantee the software under Vista.

Vista has a whole lot of rights and operating system anomalies, which is why it is pointless making it Vista compliant.
I will certainly look at making it compatible with the next Microsoft OS release.

I will add that some guys just got an old pc with XP on it and ran it on that, if they have Vista on their main computers.
The database will operate on Pentium 2 or Pentium 3 with 256MB memory.
It is also Mac compliant and Windows 98 compliant.

These look good today (eachway)

Port Macquarie R4 H1 Ship It In (should ship it in) ;)
Port Macquarie R7 H1 Young Bid

Cheers.

Chrome Prince
9th January 2009, 09:53 PM
Ship It In $1.80 $1.60
Young Bid $2.50

Eachway POT 47.50%
Win POT -10%
Place POT 105%

luv2bet
10th January 2009, 09:11 AM
hi chrome,
can you drop me an email, got a few questions in relation to race census before i purchase it.


carntee at y7mail dot com.

cheers

lomaca
10th January 2009, 07:04 PM
Hi luv2bet,

However, I can not guarantee this will give you all the functionality that the program requires and can not guarantee the software under Vista.


I will add that some guys just got an old pc with XP on it and ran it on that, if they have Vista on their main computers.
Google
Microsoft Virtual PC
Free download, install XP or any other OS in Vista.

Easy as, works like charm!

Chrome Prince
11th January 2009, 02:35 AM
luv2bet,
Sent you an email yesterday.

Chrome Prince
17th January 2009, 11:25 AM
TOOWOOMBA
R 3 #12 BACKINAFLASH
R 6 # 1 UMHLANGA ROCKS
ROSEHILL
R 4 # 1 RAIN GAME
NEWCASTLE
R 8 # 9 CANE CHAMPAGNE
MORPHETTVILLE
R 5 # 6 ALCOPOP
FLEMINGTON
R 5 # 7 AT THE OASIS
EAGLE FARM
R 7 # 9 STATURE
R 7 #13 HEART
R 8 #16 FLOOD HERO
ASCOT
R 2 # 4 TEARINUPTHECOUNTRY
R 3 # 2 PROART

These are from the RaceCensus systems (manually selected).
They are suggested bets only if under double figure odds.

darkydog2002
19th January 2009, 10:29 AM
I too can vouch for Chromes data base and systems.

Easy to use and the systems supplied with it are real money spinners.

Cheers.
darky.

Chrome Prince
23rd January 2009, 11:21 AM
23/01/2009 MOONEE VALLEY
R 3 #10 FAMILY BLISS

24/01/2009 SANDOWN
R 6 #17 WHERE'S HENRY

24/01/2009 MORPHETTVILLE
R 1 # 3 HE'S HERE
R 3 # 4 MANILA HEAT
R 4 # 5 TAOS PLEASURE
R 4 # 7 LIGHTLY SPICED

24/01/2009 EAGLE FARM
R 3 # 4 SHUFFLE THE CASH

24/01/2009 ASCOT
R 4 # 2 FRIAR'S TOUCH
R 4 # 7 PROART

These are from one of the RaceCensus systems (manually selected).
They are suggested bets only if under double figure odds.

Chrome Prince
23rd January 2009, 08:53 PM
This thread is a tad quiet, got back from dinner to find the sole Valley selection saluted at $8.60.

Nice.

partypooper
23rd January 2009, 10:43 PM
GRERRRR! Chrome I was watching that, nooooo, I didn't back it! aaaaaa!

Stix
24th January 2009, 05:38 PM
This thread is a tad quiet, got back from dinner to find the sole Valley selection saluted at $8.60.

Nice.And Manila Heat.....and Taos Pleasure....

Shaun
24th January 2009, 06:45 PM
They passed in all areas except closing price

Chrome Prince
24th January 2009, 07:48 PM
Here's the rundown for those under double figure odds:

TOOWOOMBA
R 6 # 1 UMHLANGA ROCKS
ROSEHILL
R 4 # 1 RAIN GAME
MORPHETTVILLE
R 5 # 6 ALCOPOP $3.30
EAGLE FARM
R 7 # 9 STATURE
R 7 #13 HEART
ASCOT
R 2 # 4 TEARINUPTHECOUNTRY
R 3 # 2 PROART $1.80

23/01/2009 MOONEE VALLEY
R 3 #10 FAMILY BLISS $8.60

24/01/2009 MORPHETTVILLE
R 1 # 3 HE'S HERE
R 3 # 4 MANILA HEAT $6.70
R 4 # 7 LIGHTLY SPICED

24/01/2009 EAGLE FARM
R 3 # 4 SHUFFLE THE CASH

24/01/2009 ASCOT
R 4 # 2 FRIAR'S TOUCH
R 4 # 7 PROART

14 selections
20.40 return
6.40 units profit
45.71% POT

Shaun as you quite rightly point out, the actual price cutoff is well under some of the starting prices for the racecensus system. I have posted selections and qualified them as under double figure odds cutoff, because I bet to prices. All horses that pass the rules regardless of price filter I back, but stake them to prices.

On one hand PROART cost me a bit, but on the other hand I got Taos Pleasure, Manila Heat and Family Bliss. For the sake of fairness I have only recorded the price cutoff first stated on the thread.

The reason I bet this way, is because sometimes horses drift or firm after the pool closes or too close to the jump and I miss something by a mere 50 cents. So now I bet them all to prices.

Chrome Prince
30th January 2009, 01:15 PM
Here are some selections for Saturday.
These are the raw qualifiers for one of the RaceCensus systems.
They do not contain one of the filters.
How you use them is totally up to you, but it is suggested to only bet those under $10.00.
Personally I back them all and stake accordingly, I don't strictly stake them so there are miniscule amounts on longshots and massive amounts on very short prices. (otherwise a whole months profit could rely on a $1.10 shot!)

My personal strategy goes along the lines of:

>$10 1 unit bet
$5.00 to $10 2 units bet
evens to $5.00 6 units bet
Evens and under 9 units bet

This is based on TAB prices just before the jump.

I use Betfair to get better odds but the staking is based upon the tote price.

For disclosure purposes the recorded P&L will be based on any horse under $10 on Unitab flat staking.

MORPHETTVILLE
R 8 # 8 CENTURYTWENTYONE

FLEMINGTON
R 3 # 6 RED BUTTONS

DOOMBEN
R 2 # 3 AZZALAND
R 5 # 2 KINGS ARTIST
R 8 # 5 SIR TELES

ASCOT
R 2 # 1 CORPORATE SAM
R 2 # 2 LEGEND EXPRESS

Chrome Prince
31st January 2009, 06:06 PM
MORPHETTVILLE
R 8 # 8 CENTURYTWENTYONE $4.90

FLEMINGTON
R 3 # 6 RED BUTTONS 2ND

DOOMBEN
R 2 # 3 AZZALAND $3.40
R 8 # 5 SIR TELES

ASCOT
R 2 # 1 CORPORATE SAM 2ND

Running balance
19 selections
28.70 return
9.70 units profit
51.05% POT

Another successful Saturday ;)

Chrome Prince
5th February 2009, 07:46 PM
Rules as per usual.
Not sure which races will be called off because of heat, but if they run, here they are:

SATURDAY
07/02/2009 ROSEHILL
R 6 # 1 VISION AND POWER
07/02/2009 DOOMBEN
R 3 # 1 FULMONTI
R 8 # 1 CRAIGLEA WARRIOR

FRIDAY
06/02/2009 RANDWICK
R 2 # 7 SPENCE

darkydog2002
6th February 2009, 09:53 AM
Thanks Chrome .
That saved me a bit of working out.

Cheers.
darky

Chrome Prince
7th February 2009, 07:05 PM
Results:

SATURDAY
07/02/2009 ROSEHILL
R 6 # 1 VISION AND POWER $3.00
07/02/2009 DOOMBEN
R 3 # 1 FULMONTI

Running balance
21 selections
31.70 return
10.70 units profit
50.95% POT

Again :D

Chrome Prince
12th February 2009, 05:22 PM
Saturday's selections 14/2/2009

Same rules as always...

14/02/2009 RANDWICK
R 2 # 1 BUZZY HENRY
R 4 # 1 HADAAF

14/02/2009 EAGLE FARM
R 6 # 3 PELLTRO

14/02/2009 CHELTENHAM
R 5 # 1 SPIRIT OF CAPRI
R 8 #14 SPIRITED EXPRESS

Beware the ides of March - a trojan horse is coming ;)

honkin
13th February 2009, 10:35 AM
just checking with your staking chrome, which way do you go if the price just before jump is right on one of the level changes.
If $5, do you go 2 or 6 units, similarly with evens, do you go with 6 or 9, 10 do you go 1 or 2?

Cheers
honkin

Chrome Prince
13th February 2009, 11:03 AM
When they are on the cusp of a price for different staking, I make the decision on the direction of price movement.

For example 9 units are bet on even money shots and under.

If the horse is $2.10 and has firmed from $2.50 or $2.60, then it's 9 units.
If the horse is $2.10 and has drifted from $1.80, then I stake 6 units.

If I'm in doubt, I also look at any major movements from the next favoured horse.

I can't get it right all the time, but I figure I get close enough most of the time.

Pinger
14th February 2009, 06:28 PM
Thanks for Spirit Of Capri. W 7.10 P 2.70

Chrome Prince
14th February 2009, 06:47 PM
Results of qualifiers...

14/02/2009 RANDWICK
R 4 # 1 HADAAF unplaced

14/02/2009 EAGLE FARM
R 6 # 3 PELLTRO unplaced

14/02/2009 CHELTENHAM
R 5 # 1 SPIRIT OF CAPRI WON $6.50

Running balance
24 selections
38.20 return
14.20 units profit
59.17% POT

Another great day ;)

Chrome Prince
19th February 2009, 06:41 PM
Here they are for Saturday 21st February:

DOOMBEN
R 8 # 1 SIR TELES

CHELTENHAM
R 4 # 1 SPIRIT OF CAPRI (our little friend)

ASCOT
R 5 # 6 ANOTHER CLANGER
R 6 # 9 CALLER ONE





Remember, they only qualify if under double figure odds on Unitab before the jump, or stake them according to my plan.

jayjones1
20th February 2009, 02:30 PM
Here they are for Saturday 21st February:

DOOMBEN
R 8 # 1 SIR TELES

CHELTENHAM
R 4 # 1 SPIRIT OF CAPRI (our little friend)

ASCOT
R 5 # 6 ANOTHER CLANGER
R 6 # 9 CALLER ONE





Remember, they only qualify if under double figure odds on Unitab before the jump, or stake them according to my plan.cheers i hope i have a better day tomorrow http://c08y1024qmyi129.imageshacknow.info/img/1808/k08w1114mkfo/biggrin.gif

Stix
20th February 2009, 02:35 PM
cheers i hope i have a better day tomorrow http://c08y1024qmyi129.imageshacknow.info/img/1808/k08w1114mkfo/biggrin.gifI just hope you get through life unscathed jayjones :o

Chrome Prince
21st February 2009, 05:19 PM
We had to wait a while, but caller one made my day :D

Chrome Prince
21st February 2009, 06:51 PM
Results

CHELTENHAM
R 4 # 1 SPIRIT OF CAPRI 3RD

ASCOT
R 5 # 6 ANOTHER CLANGER
R 6 # 9 CALLER ONE $7.40

Running balance
27 selections
45.60 return
18.60 units profit
68.89% POT

Another wee ripper :D

Chrome Prince
26th February 2009, 09:30 PM
Here we go again:

27/02/2009 MOONEE VALLEY
R 6 # 8 RED BUTTONS

28/02/2009 EAGLE FARM
R 3 # 1 FORT 'N' WON
R 3 # 9 GRUNGLE
R 8 # 4 ENCOSTA TSZYU

28/02/2009 CAULFIELD
R 7 # 8 TIME MATTERS

28/02/2009 ASCOT
R 6 #12 STEEL THE EMPIRE

Chrome Prince
27th February 2009, 05:09 PM
Red Buttons is scratched tonight, so list is as follows:

28/02/2009 EAGLE FARM
R 3 # 1 FORT 'N' WON
R 3 # 9 GRUNGLE
R 8 # 4 ENCOSTA TSZYU

28/02/2009 CAULFIELD
R 7 # 8 TIME MATTERS

28/02/2009 ASCOT
R 6 #12 STEEL THE EMPIRE

Chrome Prince
28th February 2009, 10:41 AM
Just a heads up, not saying it will win, but $6.60 is available on Betfair for Time Matters, bookies have it at $5.50.

20% better, 15% after commission and we have an edge ;)

Chrome Prince
28th February 2009, 10:44 AM
Geez you guys are quick - gooooone.

darkydog2002
28th February 2009, 10:44 AM
May the force be with us Chrome.

Cheers.
darky.

Chrome Prince
28th February 2009, 10:59 AM
It is a period of punting war. Rebel punters, striking from a

hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Bookie

Empire.

During the battle, Rebel punters managed to steal secret plans to the

Bookie's ultimate weapon, the Overround, an armored market percentage

with enough power to destroy an entire planet.

Pursued by the Bookie's sinister agents, RaceCensus races home

aboard his database, custodian of the stolen plans that can save his

people and restore freedom to the punters...

:D

Chrome Prince
28th February 2009, 07:12 PM
Results

28/02/2009 EAGLE FARM
R 3 # 1 FORT 'N' WON 2ND
R 8 # 4 ENCOSTA TSZYU 3RD

28/02/2009 CAULFIELD
R 7 # 8 TIME MATTERS

Running balance
30 selections
45.60 return
15.60 units profit
52.00% POT

The first losing week so far this year, the Empire strikes back next weekend.

Chrome Prince
5th March 2009, 09:21 PM
Selections for the double header Sat Mon....

Saturday

MORPHETTVILLE
R 5 # 5 OUR SHANAGOLDEN
R 6 # 8 THUMB PRINTS
R 7 #11 ETON

FLEMINGTON
R 8 # 1 NICONERO
R 8 # 8 ROAD TO ROCK

EAGLE FARM
R 6 #14 MR WANG

ASCOT
R 3 # 2 INNOVATION
R 5 # 7 OUR MAN STAN
R 8 # 3 UNDERLINE

Monday

WARWICK FARM
R 5 # 5 HOLDEM

MOONEE VALLEY
R 4 # 4 BONINDI

Mark
10th March 2009, 03:56 PM
A winning weekend thanks to Niconero?.

I can only speak for your Syd, Melb, & Bris selections....Road To Rock opened longer than prepost and lost. Pretty sure that's the first one of your picks that has opened longer.

Chrome Prince
10th March 2009, 08:34 PM
Niconero didn't qualify here on the price rules, but I did have a small stake wager.

So it was a losing weekend for the system.

Road To Rock did run a bold race though, looked a wee chance at one point but faded badly.

Chrome Prince
12th March 2009, 03:49 PM
13/03/2009 EAGLE FARM
R 5 # 7 DETECTED

14/03/2009 RANDWICK
R 8 # 8 OUR ROCK AND ROLLA

14/03/2009 FLEMINGTON
R 2 # 4 ESCAPE ARTIST
R 7 #10 ROCKPECKER

14/03/2009 DOOMBEN
R 4 # 1 BANN RUBY
R 7 # 9 HEART
R 8 # 7 MALITA

Chrome Prince
19th March 2009, 10:38 PM
There's only one possible selection Saturday, but it must start under $10.00

21/03/2009 ROSEHILL

R 6 # 3 NEWPORT

Chrome Prince
28th March 2009, 01:26 AM
Been a bit lean on pickings lately, so here we go for Saturday...

28/03/2009 ROSEHILL
R 5 # 2 KETTLEDRUM

28/03/2009 DOOMBEN
R 6 # 3 FROSTY
R 6 #12 ABBACINA

28/03/2009 ASCOT
R 2 # 7 MYTHICAL MAN
R 3 # 9 DANCE WORKS

Zlotti
28th March 2009, 08:10 AM
Hi Chrome Prince

I haven't been around for quite a while, been working in a place with no horse racing, in fact... no racing whatsoever!

Last visit to the forum was in September 2007. I will be returning to Australia within the next week or so and I am looking forward to getting back into the racing, pacing and chasing life.

I have just spent the last 6 hours going over the most recent of topics and I cannot tell you how much I have missed the thrill of it.

What I want to know about is the database you are advertising in your name block.... I have read about it and seen a few screen shots... but is there a demo of it anywhere?

Appreciate any help you can give.

Regards

Zlotti

Chrome Prince
28th March 2009, 01:23 PM
Welcome back, you must have withdrawal symptoms by now.

I can send you a demo, but bear in mind the demo is a skeleton of the real database and it has been developed since the demo was made a few years ago.

email me at
racestats at hotmail dot com

and I'll send it to you.

Mark
28th March 2009, 01:38 PM
[QUOTE=Chrome Prince]Been a bit lean on pickings lately, so here we go for Saturday...

28/03/2009 ROSEHILL
R 5 # 2 KETTLEDRUM

]

Kettledrum......a triple lay for mine. ;)

Chrome Prince
28th March 2009, 01:54 PM
Well done Mark,

Backed him eachway so no real damage, and there's a winner or two amongst the rest ;)

Zlotti
28th March 2009, 03:13 PM
Welcome back, you must have withdrawal symptoms by now.

I can send you a demo, but bear in mind the demo is a skeleton of the real database and it has been developed since the demo was made a few years ago.

email me at
racestats at hotmail dot com

and I'll send it to you.Thanks, email sent!

Chrome Prince
30th March 2009, 11:10 PM
I've tried sending the file a couple of times, but it keeps bouncing back.
Is your email inbox full?

Zlotti
30th March 2009, 11:44 PM
I've tried sending the file a couple of times, but it keeps bouncing back.
Is your email inbox full?B
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Dennis G
30th March 2009, 11:55 PM
Chrome,

I never knew there was a demo!!!

Could I possibly get a look?

deegee_88 at hotmail dot com

Thanks,
Den

horseman
20th April 2009, 12:07 PM
Hi Chrome, is your email address ok.
Have tried to send a couple of emails and they bounce back.

Chrome Prince
20th April 2009, 08:45 PM
racestats at hotmail dot com

horseman
21st April 2009, 11:28 AM
racestats at hotmail dot com
Thanks Chrome, resent it last night and seemed to go through.

Pauls123
6th June 2009, 08:12 PM
I just happened to find and read all this thread. I am interested in purchasing this data base. A question for Chrome if he reads this. Are the selections on the early part of this thread, contained in the sample systems that come with this package...?

Very interesting, and is that demo model still available,

Thanks,
Paul

horseman
7th June 2009, 10:35 AM
Paul, I purchased the data base about 6 months ago and I am wrapped in it.

Chrome is very helpful with any questions before and after purchase.

Pauls123
7th June 2009, 10:59 AM
Horseman, thanks for that reply. From what I read on here I have no reason to doubt this program, but it's great to get a recommendation like that.

Paul

horseman
7th June 2009, 01:26 PM
Mate I felt the same as you before I purchased it, but this is a great package in my view.

I wish I had of purchased it when I first read about it a long long time ago.

darkydog2002
11th June 2009, 02:35 PM
Re the systems that come with the data base I use a couple of these myself with good results.
Cheers.
darky

Pauls123
11th June 2009, 03:48 PM
Thanks Darkydog, I'm looking forward to receiving my data base. Should be in the mail now,..!!!!!!

Paul

Chrome Prince
11th June 2009, 04:13 PM
It was posted out yesterday Paul, let me know if you need any help.

Pauls123
11th June 2009, 08:02 PM
Thanks again Chrome, I got back from the Gold Coast tonight. Looking forward to the post man the next day or so. Thanks for your assistance,

Paul

luv2bet
23rd June 2009, 08:49 AM
hi chrome,
did you get an email i sent you, was just checking i had the right email address.
cheers

Chrome Prince
23rd June 2009, 01:58 PM
Hi,

Will reply now, I've been offline with an ISP crash.