100 Raters

[Stix]

Hi All

Does anyone have a list of 100 Raters and The Radio Tips for the corresponding Races?

Thanks In Advance

Stix

[goty0405]

I have that data at home. If no-one has posted it up before I get back from work I will put it up for you.

[Stix]

I have that data at home. If no-one has posted it up before I get back from work I will put it up for you.Thanks very much goty0405, much appreciated.

[goty0405]

Hey mate I pulled out all 100 raters from about 18 months worth of data and I have 28296 selections.

I can't really paste up a list that big here so if you want to shoot me a PM I can send you the spreadsheet with all the data - horses, win and place prices, rating, and Radio Tips.

As a side note I will give you some stats...

Just 100 Raters:
Selections: 28296
1st: 6355 (22.46%)
2nd: 4589 (16.22%)
3rd: 3666 (12.96%)
Not Placed: 13686 (48.37%)

100 Raters that are in top 4 of Radio Tips
Selections: 19823
1st: 5201 (26.24%)
2nd: 3561 (17.96%)
3rd: 2727 (13.76%)
Not Placed: 8334 (42.04%)

100 Raters that are in top 3 of Radio Tips
Selections: 18262
1st: 4962 (27.17%)
2nd: 3315 (18.15%)
3rd: 2518 (13.79%)
Not Placed: 7467 (40.89%)

100 Raters that are in top 2 of Radio Tips
Selections: 14416
1st: 4252 (29.5%)
2nd: 2670 (18.52%)
3rd: 1967 (13.64%)
Not Placed: 5527 (38.34%)

100 Raters that are in top 1 of Radio Tips
Selections: 8927
1st: 2928 (32.8%)
2nd: 1637 (18.34%)
3rd: 1211 (13.57%)
Not Placed: 3151 (35.3%)


I hope that can help you start off. Let me know how you go as I have looked at something similar and while it was close I didnt quite get it make a profit but you might have some idea I didnt think of. :D

[Shaun]

Hi, would you have the average divi for each of those winners

[sportzfan]

...which states (location) are we talking goty0405

...& assuming a few...any location better than others

...cheers

[goldcoast]

Using the statistics provided from a couple of threads.

100 raters + 1st Selection - 32%
Opening price lower than pre post - 96%

Could we get a profitable system?

[partypooper]

Wish I could provide the statistical data that others here can (but I would never be able to figure out how to do it, i.e I'm still fiddling with the VHS) BUT I can tell you that I have been activly betting the following: Top Pic , + 100 rater (all jointers in) + late mail and have NEVER fallen below break even.

BUT, also I have noticed that the so called radio selection is in fact (in nearly all cases) the race caller for that meeting, and some are better than others.............. so there you go ,..... the HUMAN element!

[partypooper]

goty0405

100 Raters that are in top 1 of Radio Tips
Selections: 8927
1st: 2928 (32.8%)
2nd: 1637 (18.34%)
3rd: 1211 (13.57%)
Not Placed: 3151 (35.3%)


I hope that can help you start off. Let me know how you go as I have looked at something similar and while it was close I didnt quite get it make a profit but you might have some idea I didnt think of.

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Could be worth just adding late mail selection to this and see where it goes??

Secondly split into Metro and non metro as you know we can obtain Best Tote or SP for Metro which might just make the difference??? especially for the place!

[stugots]

so i get a 13.62% win strike rate for 100 raters not included in 1st 4 radio tips

would be interested to see the returns on that as it would probably include most of those double figure 100 raters that keep getting up...

[Shaun]

goty0405 , I would like a copy of that spreadsheet if that ok send it to my e-mail shaun2166 at msn dot com

[Shaun]

A lot of those double figure prices are in the top 4, i wonder how you would go just backing those abover $10

[Chrome Prince]

I did an analysis a couple of years ago on the ratings.

I'm not entirely sure exactly how they are calculated, but the Techform ratings outperformed the Unitab ratings by a fair margin.
I also found that they must have a generic scale, so it's just their top rated horse which is allocated 100.
I.E. a 100 rater in one race is not the same as a 100 rater in another race, there can be a massive difference in the actual points the horses get, yet they still get 100 for being top.

If they did it like the racing post ratings it would be much better.

[lomaca]

goty0405 , If not too much trouble would you send me a copy of of the spreadsheet also.

petfood at virginbroadband dotcomdotau
Many thanks

[Stix]

Hi goty0405

Geez... a few putting thier hand out here, sorry

stixpropun at aanet dot com dot au is my email

Many thanks, muchly appreciated!

[stugots]

A lot of those double figure prices are in the top 4, i wonder how you would go just backing those abover $10

& a lot of them aint, bound to be greater value outside the radio tips, but profitability is the ?

been backing all 100 raters >=$10 for a while for, mainly pub bets, with some success, but doubt theres anything to get to excited about with such a freely available piece of info.

[goty0405]

Hi, would you have the average divi for each of those winnersI can tell you the average divs of the winners and the result of backing each $10 flat stakes @ TAB prices...

Just 100 Raters
Avg Div = $3.74
TAB Prices = -$45 145

100 Rater + Tob 4 Tab Tips
Avg Div = $3.17
TAB Prices = -$33 159

100 Rater + Tob 3 Tab Tips
Avg Div = $3.07
TAB Prices = -$30 305

100 Rater + Tob 2 Tab Tips
Avg Div = $2.87
TAB Prices = -$22 078

100 Rater + Tob 1 Tab Tips
Avg Div = $2.58
TAB Prices = -$13 713

So yeah they don't make money just like that (well not with TAB prices).

[goty0405]

...which states (location) are we talking goty0405

...& assuming a few...any location better than others

...cheersThose stats were all races. I will need to play around to get stats on each track so that can go on my to-do list :D

[goty0405]

Could be worth just adding late mail selection to this and see where it goes??

Secondly split into Metro and non metro as you know we can obtain Best Tote or SP for Metro which might just make the difference??? especially for the place!Ah now you're getting to where I was at with this idea...I have tried 100 Raters + Top Tab Tip + Late Mail tip with the following results:

Selections: 3361
1st: 1289 (38.35%)
2nd: 617 (18.36%)
3rd: 435 (12.94%)
Not Placed: 1020 (30.35%)
Avg Div of Winners: $2.19
If Back $10 on each on TAB prices: $-5397

Much closer...If you factor in getting better prices (say 10% better) than it only runs at -$2575. Heres where I thought it was close but maybe needed 1 more filter.

[goty0405]

so i get a 13.62% win strike rate for 100 raters not included in 1st 4 radio tips

would be interested to see the returns on that as it would probably include most of those double figure 100 raters that keep getting up...100 Raters NOT in the Top 4 Tips
Selections: 429
1st: 82 (19.11%)
2nd: 66 (15.38%)
3rd: 57 (13.29%)
Not Placed: 224 (52.21%)
Avg Div of Winners: $4.09
If Back $10 each: -$933

May sound small but in fact its got a ROI (return on investment) of -20%. Not good.

[partypooper]

Ah now you're getting to where I was at with this idea...I have tried 100 Raters + Top Tab Tip + Late Mail tip with the following results:

Selections: 3361
1st: 1289 (38.35%)
2nd: 617 (18.36%)
3rd: 435 (12.94%)
Not Placed: 1020 (30.35%)
Avg Div of Winners: $2.19
If Back $10 on each on TAB prices: $-5397

Much closer...If you factor in getting better prices (say 10% better) than it only runs at -$2575. Heres where I thought it was close but maybe needed 1 more filter.

OK now apply METRO only and see where were at?

[goty0405]

Hmm brain snap on my part there. Those stats above are wrong. Try again...

100 Raters Not in Top 4 Tips
Selections: 7978
1st: 1036 (12.99%)
2nd: 932 (11.68%)
3rd: 873 (10.94%)
Not Placed: 5137 (64.39%)
Avg Div: $2.47
$10 on each: -$8011

[goty0405]

OK now apply METRO only and see where were at?Hmmm I will have to fiddle to get that data out. Shouldn't take too much but I dont know the absolute lits of which tracks are metro and which aren't. If you can give me a list or an easy way of finding out it would help :D

[Bhagwan]

Hi Goty,
Try this...
Delete all that ran 2nd or 3rd last start to inject value.

These tend to be over bet.

I feel this should reduce the LOT.

Cheers.

[lomaca]

Hmmm I will have to fiddle to get that data out. Shouldn't take too much but I dont know the absolute lits of which tracks are metro and which aren't. If you can give me a list or an easy way of finding out it would help :DNo pressure, but if you'd care to send us the spreadsheet we would be able to connect it to our database and offer more ways to analyse.
Win-Win eh?
Just a thought!

PS
just received it haven't looked at it yet!
thanks
Will be working on it first thing tomorrow!

[lomaca]

Hi goty0405!
OK I converted the XL sheet to database table ready to analyse, give us some ideas what filters you want to look at? (email or public up to you)

There are over 6000 duplicate records, that is, where there are 2 horses with a rating of 100 in the same race!
I did not know it was possible?

[stugots]

Hmm brain snap on my part there. Those stats above are wrong. Try again...

100 Raters Not in Top 4 Tips
Selections: 7978
1st: 1036 (12.99%)
2nd: 932 (11.68%)
3rd: 873 (10.94%)
Not Placed: 5137 (64.39%)
Avg Div: $2.47
$10 on each: -$8011

cheers, methinks a lay method in the making:)

[sportzfan]

Those stats were all races. I will need to play around to get stats on each track so that can go on my to-do list :D

okay...thanks

[goty0405]

Hi goty0405!
OK I converted the XL sheet to database table ready to analyse, give us some ideas what filters you want to look at? (email or public up to you)

There are over 6000 duplicate records, that is, where there are 2 horses with a rating of 100 in the same race!
I did not know it was possible?Haha I got those from my own database so I don't need another one...I even wrote a front-end analysis tool for mine to make it easier to test ideas. I think I just wanted the list of metro and non-metro tracks.

And yes there are plenty of races where there are several 100 raters. I'd like to know how that rating system worked...

[goty0405]

Fiddling around again I have found 2 different possible additions that could turn a slight profit! I will do more research before getting too excited

[lomaca]

Haha I got those from my own database so I don't need another one...I even wrote a front-end analysis tool for mine to make it easier to test ideas. I think I just wanted the list of metro and non-metro tracks.

And yes there are plenty of races where there are several 100 raters. I'd like to know how that rating system worked...I'm confused, if you have a database of past form, surely you looked at it in conjunction with the 100 raters?

like for instance 100 points and proven record on distance etc. etc.

Anyway, in this case I just go by my own method, and see how it pans out.
Many thanks for sending it!
Good luck

[partypooper]

not sure if this comprehensive but it's a start.

WA easy, Ascot or Belmont
SA, Morphetville, Cheltenham, *Oakbank, *Gawler
NSW. Rosehill, Randwick, Canterberry
Vic. Caufield, Flemington,Sandown, Mooney Valley,*Mornington
BR. Eagle Farm, Doomben, *Ipswich, *Gold Coast,

*Canberra

all the ones starting with a * means I'm not sure if that is Metro or not? maybe the natives can fill us in on that one? and if theres any that I have missed??

[Shaun]

Warwick Farm in NSW

[Crackone]

not sure if this comprehensive but it's a start.

WA easy, Ascot or Belmont
SA, Morphetville, Cheltenham, Vic Park*Oakbank, *Gawler
NSW. Rosehill, Randwick, Canterberry Warwick farm
Vic. Caufield, Flemington,Sandown, Mooney Valley,*Mornington
BR. Eagle Farm, Doomben, *Ipswich, *Gold Coast,

*Canberra

all the ones starting with a * means I'm not sure if that is Metro or not? maybe the natives can fill us in on that one? and if theres any that I have missed??Highlighted is Metro tracks

[Try Try Again]

SA only has Metro race track - Morphettville

Cheltenham closed a couple of weeks ago and Victoria Park closed several years ago.

[goty0405]

WA easy, Ascot or Belmont
SA, Morphetville, Cheltenham, Vic Park*Oakbank, *Gawler
NSW. Rosehill, Randwick, Canterberry Warwick farm
Vic. Caufield, Flemington,Sandown, Mooney Valley,*Mornington
BR. Eagle Farm, Doomben, *Ipswich, *Gold Coast,

*CanberraOk so I used both lists and gotthe following.

Entire List (including * etc)
Selections: 1449
Wins: 569 (39.35%)
Avg Div: 2.17
$10 @ TAB: -2139 (ROI -14.29%)


Just Bold Tracks
Selections: 1133
Wins: 449 (39.63%)
Avg Div: 2.18
$10 @ TAB: -1520 (ROI -13.42%)

[partypooper]

I presume these are unitab prices as I did this REAL BETTING and got slightly better than break even at best tote/sp.

Then added 3 more rules and got into profit.
(1) Races LESS than 2000m only
(2) Raced within 21 days OR first up over 1200m OR less
(3) 50% place record (at least 5 lifetime starts)

[Sportz]

Back all the 100 raters at Orange today. You're bound to find every winner. ;)

[goty0405]

Back all the 100 raters at Orange today. You're bound to find every winner. ;)Hahaha I was looking at that a second go thinking "tha'ts going to mess with everyone's 100 Rater theories!"

[Sportz]

Based on my thoughts about how the Unitab ratings are worked out, I'd suggest the 100 raters today at Orange, would probably be something like this:

1-2
2-6
3-1
4-1
5-1
6-5
7-1 or 2
8-4 or 7

[Sportz]

Based on my thoughts about how the Unitab ratings are worked out, I'd suggest the 100 raters today at Orange, would probably be something like this:

1-2
2-6
3-1
4-1
5-1
6-5
7-1 or 2
8-4 or 7

Sorry, got that one wrong. Should have been 4-6, and as it turned out, 6 won it.

[Sportz]

I see they did eventually fix the ratings for Orange, and they were pretty much the ones I listed there.

[michaelg]

Sportz, as a matter of interest, Unitab's ratings are the EST rankings on Feature Form which is found on the neural website.

I haven't the faintest clue how they are calculated because some of the selections seem very puzzling.

[Sportz]

Yep, that's what I meant by "my thoughts on how the Unitab ratings are worked out". Without knowing for absolute certain, I just assumed that they were based on those ratings, because I'd noticed the similarity over the years.