Goldhunting (or the little grail)

[place2win]

At 65 I must admit I have had my share of ups & downs. Had cancer fought and won.But who knows what the future holds in that area. Been recently retrenched (thrown on the scrapheap a few years ago). Seen my investments devistated along with my super, by beauracractic bungling, inept management and greedy executives.
Something I am sure a lot of you are more than familiar with. So I had a lot of time on my hands. I turned inpart to two of my true loves (apart from my beautiful wife) of The american Indian and Horses- in particular the "Sport of Kings", horseracing.
In my youth and all through my life I have been trying to find the "Holy Grail", I have tried all sorts of schemes, systems, methods, ideas, concepts call them what you may I have tried them all. Still my bank manager will not say thankyou.
I am sure you have all been there, and a few of you have found your own way to almost touch the "Grail" and if I beleive what I read (and I do) some of you are doing just fine.
With the free time on my hands I searched the web for all manner and means in an effort to get ahead. I found this wonderful site and I must admit I am amazed at the amount of meaningful information that is freely available. I have sat there in the background and read, watched devoured, sifted, sorted all the information at hand. But still have not found a constructive and profitable way of backing horses sufficiantly to supplement my pension, and build a sizable bank for my wife to live comfortably when my time has passed.
However, I may have found a method of "laying" which will more than cover my needs (I hope). Because of all the information that has been freely given and those of you with data basis that have freely helped others to arrive at a meaningful decision regarding there own methods. I will soon be trialing my method on this site (if ok with management).
I have a few gliches to sort through, then I plan to trial for three months Oct-Dec before hitting it real time in the new year. I have researched this over the last 2years and 9 months, and it shows good results on past information, however we all know the proof in any success is it's being able to perform equally in real time.
This trial period will hopefully bear that out. You are all welcome to join me on this journey (and hopefully profit from it) for it will be some journey, I can assure you it will be a roler coaster of an adventure, as we attempt to reach the "Little Grail".
It will be "Free" to use by ALL, it will all be there to see (no hidden adjenda) I will accept conservitive criticism, any help will be gratly appreaciated, but I will not entertain sarcasm or snide remarks of any form, life is too short.
Luck be with you, back before 1OCT
ps I will call it "Patience" for you will need the patience of job.
it is about making "lunch money" so we can live, making pocket money so we can have a beer and making a bank (hopefully to assist in retirement)
Kind Regards
Shalorhttp://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

[darkydog2002]

Look forward to it and thank you.
Cheers.
darky

[michaelg]

Hi, Place2win.

Over the successful 2 years and nine months did you apply Betfair or TAB prices when testing your method? Not knowing if it has a price range/limit etc I've seen some instances where the Betfair final trade price has outdistanced its TAB price, particularly from around the $8 mark and higher.

I once used to bet all horses at $7 and over to a particular cut-off price depending on field size, and I remember once having a $18 winner that paid $9 on NSW TAB. I don't recall why I stopped (maybe because I prefer laying) but I know I was in profit. My point is that if you tested the system with TAB prices then the results may not be as good as recorded.

I hope this is not the case, and I'm looking forward to when you start trialling the method here. Hopefully it will be successful - then we might humourously have to call you Place2lose because the selections would thankfully have lost.

Good luck.
Michael.

[place2win]

Hi Michael,

Careful with the word "successful", 'good result's' is what I said, hopefully it will be successful in the future.
My trialing was purely done with TAB divs (UNITAB) as I don't know if betfair have an arcive of past australian results (If someone knows if they do and where to go for them I will check it against my records.
Whilst there is possibly some pricing concern TAB viz BETFAIR I am confident the relative price range involved will not show up too many dicrepancies. Shortly I will give a schematic of past results which I have allowed a respective 20% reduction factor to be entertained due to the long hours of candle burning and the possibility of negative results from Betfair pricing.
On the one hand we may not get our price so therefore no bet, on the other is the chance to receive a better (less liability) price.
Kind Regards
Shalorhttp://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

[michaelg]

Hi, Place2win.

I'm under the impression that past Betfair prices can be obtained. I seem to think that a forumite informed us of this.

Some time ago I recorded the final trade price for a few races that were run that very day and then compared them to the prices Betfair put on their site. There were a few discrepencies and I asked Betfair about this. They replied that if at the "jump" all of the best available price is matched then they show the next available price.

For example, if the available Lay price is $5.90 at the jump, and all of it is matched then their records will show the next available price of $6.00. So if you do calculate your results on this, then its quite possible with real betting you might have got the price at $5.90 even though Betfair will show $6.00. Therefore if you do obtain past Betfair prices, your records using their prices might be better if real money had been bet.

[thorns]

Heres a handy site that may help. Goes back quite a way with historical betfair data, showing the last available price at close of betting.

http://racing.betfair.com.au/

[Ill Get There]

try the dynamic odds site you will find past betfair prices there back and lay.ok well done thorns typing at the same time. good luck

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[place2win]

Thanks moderator, lets hope we don't go there

[place2win]

Michael, Thorns I'll get there, thankyou, found it under archive

small drop down calendar which is a bit awkward to navigate, and site is slow and cumbersum, but will perservere and see how we go

Kind Regards
Shalor

[thorns]

If you are finding that site slow, you could also download the BAT program, its also free, and contains exactly the same info as that link I suggested above. It may run a bit better being a standalone program, havent tried it myself, but could be worth a shot.

Heres the link
http://bat.betfair.com.au/

If that link is not allowed/removed by moderators, just google Betfair Advantage tool, and you will find it easy enough.

[place2win]

Thanks Thorns, have the BAT programme and boy what a difference.
http://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon11.gif

Looks like time to eat a bit of crow, may have come out of the blocks a little to quick with my aspirations.
No Betfair lay prices for most of 2007 so can't quantify there.
For 2008/2009 am getting an avg of around 30% swing against my results
in some cases it is higher, but in those cases there would not have been a bet as price not matched, however this in turn reduces the number of bets.
On the other side of the ledger I have also had some good swings.

It is time to go back and re-calculate with new information at hand.
I most humbly appologise for the expections I gave.
Kind Regards
Shalor

[Crackone]

Prices on the BAT. are the last won's available so can be missleading price can and do swing a great deal. eg. a horse that finished trading at $4 (what you see on BAT) could have traded at $3 earlier or $5.

Betfair do have all prices (matched bets) for all races, you need an account with them and have 100 points to view them.

[place2win]

Thankyou Crackone, now have a Betfair account, so will be watching over the next couple of days.
Will be checking on the the swings within relative price range to determine ongoing viability.
Will also colate period 01jan08 - current date +/- factors between Unitab/Betfair
to see if re-calculated results are still viably profitable.
The period 2007 appears lost with no Betfair LAY trading results up to mid Nov 2007.
Am hopeful that if the liabilty (blow out) factor can remain within 20% long-term
then we should see some good results, albeit 20% lower than I have projected.
The worst scenero is if the % factor grows past 30%, therefore negating a bet and these non-bets become prevelant, the turnover reduces, reducing longterm profit also.
Time will tell
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

I will run a test starting 19sep thru end of month. This will hopefully determine the viability of my LAY method (Named' Patience'). Remember this is a long term proposition we are not and cannot be pressed for a "quick Buck".
1) We want some Lunch Money (We need sustenance)
2) We want some Pocket Money(For personal needs)
3) We want to build a Bank (For future speculation)
4)We bet 1 unit on the selection(s)
5)The unit can be any amount of your choosing (For me it is $100)
6)We bet each race for each meeting race 1 thru 4 only (as listed on UNITAB site) from First meeting listed to the meeting preceeding the WA meeting. We do not bet any WA meeting nor any meeting following(Predominately late start meetings twilight/evening).
7)On any day where there is no WA meeting we may bet on a late meeting if we cannot guarantee a minimum of 2 betting propositions from other listed meetings.(However we DO NOT BET NIGHT MEETINGS )
8)Whilst we bet thru the listed meetings we bet in time order not listed order.
9)At this stage I have deterimed a Stop if 2 units up at any given point(flexible)
10)There will be days where less than two units is returned and days where unfortunately a loss is registered.
That's it for now Back with some contenders soon
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

Most likely contenders:

Morphetteville R1 No4
Caulfield R3 No6
Echuca R3 No2
Caulfield R4 No6
Rosehill R4 No2

Possible Contenders:

Gold Coast R1 No9
Caulfield R2 No1

Fingers crossed
Regards
Shalor

[AngryPixie]

Shalor

Hope this goes well for you. A couple of things though:

1) What's the maximum price we should accept;
2) Why are we stopping after getting two units ahead; and,
3) What's the reason behind rules (6) and (7).

All the best :)

[place2win]

Hi AngryPixie,

My original MAX price is/was $2.30 (however do to the sometimes wild swings I am at present allowing up to 20% out from that)
The stop at 2 units (flexible) is a personal thing, I am happy with 2($200) per day. Remember I am not about a killing, but lunch money, pocket money, Bank.
I Believe all can be attained by maintaing only those meetings stipulated, that is no to say you can;t continue on. However bear in mind that if things get ugly the more you try the uglier it can become. Night meetings have not been profitable either.
Regards
Shane

[place2win]

Most likely contenders:

Morphetteville R1 No4 Failed price max qualification NB. Passed 20% qualification.
Caulfield R3 No6 Scr
Echuca R3 No2 Scr
Caulfield R4 No6 Failed price max qualification NB. Failed 20% qualification.
Rosehill R4 No2 Failed price max qualification NB. Failed 20% qualification.

Possible Contenders:

Gold Coast R1 No9 Failed price max qualification NB. Passed 20% qualification
Caulfield R2 No1 Failed price max qualification NB. Failed 20% qualification.
NB = No Bet.
Sumation: No Final qualifiers (2 probables at 20% allowance)


Fingers crossed.
Regards
ShalorWe move on to tomorrow.....

[place2win]

http://racing.betfair.com.au/http://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

Hopefully the above link will work, it relates to meetings held 11Jan2008, in particular race 2 at Pt Macquarie.

Please review the Betfair Back/Lay prices anomaly and the back price relative to the TAB(s) prices.

On this particular day my LAY would have been Langfibian, but I would not have entertained it at price quoted (nor any of them at that price). This type of anomally is not an isolated case.
Hence do I consider this a no bet situation, or consider I may have got close to TAB price at some stage (for research purpose)
Similiar situation applies Canberra Race 2 No 6 and all Lay prices.
Infact the whole day appears to be out of whack??

Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

It would be handy to have the final 60 seconds of Betfair trading.
The actual Final Betfair Trade Price is non conclusive, however I have accepted it as the position of my transaction, albeit I believe we could have improved the results.
The actual trades are made until a 2 unit profit is attained or all of the first four races are accessed and bets made accordingly.
In cases where I stopped at 2 units profit prior to the end of all races, there were only six occasions where we could have traded past the profit, on two of these, no change, two returned negatives of one unit and two returned further profit of 3 units (a total of 4 units profit if trading out).

Results for Jan 08

1/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $200
2/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $400
3/08 4 lays ($100) $100 $100 $100 $200 $600
4/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $800
5/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $1000
6/08 6 lays $100 ($150)($140)$100$100($120)$100 ($10) $990
7/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $1190
8/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $1390
9/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $1590
10/08 3 lays $100 ($160) $100 $40 $1630
11/08 4 lays ($90) $100 $100 ($110) $0 $1630
12/08 8 lays ($100) $100 ($120) $100
$100 ($110) $100 $100 $170 $1800
13/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $2000
14/08 1 lay $100 $100 $2100
15/08 2 lays ($130) ($100) ($230) $1770
16/08 6 lays ($120) ($180) (130)
$100 $100 $100 ($130) $1640
17/08 1 lay ($100) ($100) $1540
18/08 4 lays $100 ($150) $100 ($80) ($30) $1510
19/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $1710
20/08 4 lays ($100) ($90) ($140) $100 ($230) $1480
21/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $1680
22/08 5 lays ($100) ($130) ($140) $100 $100 ($170) $1510
23/08 1 lay $100 $100 $1610
24/08 2 lays $100 $100 $200 $1810
25/08 2 lays ($100 $100 $0 $1810
26/08 10 lays ($140) $100 ($70) ($90) $100
$100 ($140) $100 ($80) ($80) ($220) $1590
27/08 5 lays ($160) $100 ($90) $100 ($80) ($130) $1460
28/09 6 lays $100 ($70) ($70) ($80) $100 $100 ($50) $1410
29/10 4 lays ($90) $100 $100 $100 $210 $1620
30/08 4 lays $100 ($130) ($100) $100 ($30) $1590
31/08 3lays $100 ($130) ($80) ($110) $1480
() = liability minus stake
Profit for month 14.8 units (@$100 = $1480)
My original workings off UNITAB assuming like BETFAIR return = $1700
If we add the 'trade Outs' mentioned above $400 = $1880
I am not sure I want to go into this much detail for the remaining 20 months to date, but I will do a few more and consolidate the others.
I am sure if you peruse the Unitab/Betfair results you will see where I am at.
Didn't quite come out the way I had expected.
For each date the figures after 'lay' is the lay return or liability the last two figures for each line represent the (+/-) win/loss and Balance.
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

Hi AngryPixie,

My original MAX price is/was $2.30 (however do to the sometimes wild swings I am at present allowing up to 20% out from that)
The stop at 2 units (flexible) is a personal thing, I am happy with 2($200) per day. Remember I am not about a killing, but lunch money, pocket money, Bank.
I Believe all can be attained by maintaing only those meetings stipulated, that is no to say you can;t continue on. However bear in mind that if things get ugly the more you try the uglier it can become. Night meetings have not been profitable either.
Regards
ShaneAngryPixie, further to your request.
Maximum price is $2.30 but allow up to 20%+ on the lay side
If selection is less than max, say $1.90 the again allow up to 20%+ on the lay side.
The stopping at two (2) as I said is purely personal, I believe it keeps us within a restraint of not becoming over zealous. If we can manage 2 units per day that equates to avg of 60 units per month X by your outlay per unit.
Further I have found that trying to surpass this has not been greatly profitable (however I will stand corrected if this should provee otherwise)
If you check my results for jan08 we only achieved an increase of $400 by trading out. I also believe the last four/five races per meeting do not give us a good opportunity selection wise within the price range.
Also I find Night meetings to be generally bad betting propositions at the best of times, however as laying options that may well be the opposite.
My initial testing/research took me into all facets however I found initially that the earlier races on the card and those that start at the earlier time frame to be more successful in returning profit as the day progressed the profit started to reduce.
At the end of the day (my day) I am happy with the situation at present, I get a profit I am content with (we would all like more). If time permits I will look at further testing, but as you realise this form of testing takes months and I am not privalidged with quick fix solutions.
Hope that helps
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

Day 2 Testing 'Patience'

Likely contenders:
Sunshine C R2 No 8 Glacial Miss (Unitab $2.00)
Dubbo R3 No 5 Little Rikki (Unitab $2.10)
Lismore R3 No 2 Centenn (Unitab $2.70)
Sunshine C R4 No 2 Mulsanne (Unitab $3.00)

Qualify if Lay trade $2.30 or less at jump (option +20%)
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

Day 2 Testing 'Patience'

Likely contenders:
Sunshine C R2 No 8 Glacial Miss (Unitab $2.00) Lay obtained @ $1.70
Dubbo R3 No 5 Little Rikki (Unitab $2.10) Not qualified
Lismore R3 No 2 Centenn (Unitab $2.70) Not qualified
Sunshine C R4 No 2 Mulsanne (Unitab $3.00)Not Qualified
Qualify if Lay trade $2.30 or less at jump (option +20%)

Sumation: 1 Qualifier (It forgot to lose) ($70) liability
Regards
ShalorWe move on to tomorrow

[AngryPixie]

Shalor

From experience I believe turnover is your friend when laying. It'll be a slow old slog in your target price range with so few lays per day. :(

Have you considered backing your selections when they don't qualify as lays ;)

I'm sure it'll turn around. Here's hoping.

All the best.

[place2win]

AngryPixie,
Thankyou for your response, and considered opions.
I may yet get down that track re-turnover, at the moment it is baby steps
understanding and formulating current situation.
Hence the reason for testing only while I see how it progresses, I will also look at the Back possibilities.
To-day had an interesting situation; R2 at Sunshine Coast, Glacial Miss was quoted at $2.00 Unitab, then shortened to approx $1.90 before drifting back and forth between the two and finishing back at $1.90. Whilst on Betfair it shortened to $1.70 then drifted quite dramactically to around $2.38 before settling at $2.34. In this situation I probably would lay at low $1.70 and bet back at somewhere in the $2-2.30 range to come out in front which ever way it went, or cover the lay and profit on the win. This i could see with my minimum bets, but if I had numerous bets in the one race and races either side I think it would be exceptionally hard to keep track. Food for thought.
By the way (no excuse) I missed advising another contender in R4 at Dubbo No 5 Trydon at $2.20 Unitab it lost this would have squared the day or given a small profit.
Thankyou extremely for your input.
Kind Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

As I stated earlier I will not give full detailed results as these are quite large and this thread will have an enormous tail.
Consolidated results for FEB08 are as follows:
Total outgoing bets = 87units (unit=$100) Total out $8700
Bets positive..........= 50unitsx$100 = $5000
Bets negative.........= 37units(liability)$3930
Profit = (positive - negative).............$1070
A little down on Jan08, but we made lunch $300, pocket money $300
and $470 for the bank.
Please bear in mind that these are historical results and the current results can not be guaranteed to reciprocate. We can only be hopeful.

..
Will be back with details for Mar08
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

March08 Update

Total outgoing Bets = 121units (unit=$100) Total out $12100
Bets Positive...........= 60unitsx$100 =$6000
Bets Negative..........= 61units(liability)$5490
Profit=(positive-negative)..................$ 510
Well not a good month
We made lunch money $250 and pocket money $260
but nothing for the Bank
On to April with confidence we will improve
Regards
Shalorhttp://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

[place2win]

For future testing purposes, to ensure we all see the same
contender the following applies.
A contender will be one that is priced $1.70(min) to $2.30(max)
on Unitab 2mins before jump.
We then must be able to obtain that price (or less) on the lay side
(Betfair) with option to accept upto 20% from original Unitab price.
(ie. Unitab $2.30 Betfair $2.76 or unitab $1.90 Betfair $2.18)
The only exception is in the lower scale $1.70 this is min price
acceptable (no exceptions)
Rergards
Shalor

[place2win]

A good result for to-day

Devenport R1 No 1 Laser Strike ($1.80 Unitab) needed max $2.16 Not matched
(actually came in after 1min mark so maybe shouldn't include)

Taree R2 No 2 Fnoon ($2.30Unitab) needed max $2.76 matched $2.70

Wagga R2 No 4 Hammersley ($2.10Unitab) needed max $2.52 matched $2.42

My stop comes into play here (2pts up) $200

May look at making the 2min mark flexible

Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

A good result for to-day

Devenport R1 No 1 Laser Strike ($1.80 Unitab) needed max $2.16 Not matched
(actually came in after 1min mark so maybe shouldn't include)

Taree R2 No 2 Fnoon ($2.30Unitab) needed max $2.76 matched $2.70

Wagga R2 No 4 Hammersley ($2.10Unitab) needed max $2.52 matched $2.42

My stop comes into play here (2pts up) $200

May look at making the 2min mark flexible

Regards
Shalor
For those who continued thru the four races per meeting
would of also picked up:

Wagga race 4 No 1 Asquik Aszariz ($1.90Unitab)
but it won so a looser.
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

April 08Update

Total outgoing Bets = 94units (unit=$100) Total out $9400
Bets Positive...........= 51unitsx$100 =$5100
Bets Negative..........= 43units(liability)$4450
Profit=(positive-negative)..................$ 650
Well not a good month (Again)
We made lunch money $300 and pocket money $300
but only $50 for the Bank (Not a Happy Manager)
On to May with confidence we will improve
Regards
Shalor
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[place2win]

Day four Testing (Patience)

Likely contenders:

Warwick Farm R 2 No 2 Atelier ($2.40Unitab)currently over
Warwick Farm R 6 No 1 Maybe I ($2.60Unitab) currently over

(Yeppoon)
Rockhampton R6 No 1 Classy crystal ($2.10 Unitab)

Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

Day four Testing (Patience)

Likely contenders:

Warwick Farm R 2 No 2 Atelier ($2.40Unitab)currently over
Warwick Farm R 6 No 1 Maybe I ($2.60Unitab) currently over

(Yeppoon)
Rockhampton R6 No 1 Classy crystal ($2.10 Unitab)

Regards
ShalorAnother good dayhttp://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

Warwick Farm R2 No2 Atelier ($2.10Unitab) Matched $2.26Betfair
Yeppoon R6 No1 Classy Crystal ($1.80Unitab) Matched $2.10Betfair
My stop comes into play (2pts) $200
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

May08Updatehttp://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon10.gif


Total outgoing Bets = 70units (unit=$100) Total out $7000
Bets Positive...........= 48unitsx$100 =$4800
Bets Negative..........= 22units(liability)$2640
Profit=(positive-negative)..................$ 2160
This is more like it.http://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

We made $300 lunch money $300 pocket money
and best of all $1560 for the bank.

To Date all months (5) have been in profit.
My original workings (not including Betfair comparison)
had ALL 12 months in profit -Total $12480 Avg $1040pm.
Due to the immense amount of time it takes to colate the
data I will not do the remaining months, however I will do the
month of May 09 which originally showed a loss of (7.5pts) $750.
This was the only month since Jan09 to do so. I might do sep09
also as this month is break even at present.

Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

On this bleak day, with Qld/Syd down and out, and with slow tracks
at Melb/Adel we will treat all with caution.
At this stage there are no likely contenders
If something comes to hand will post before
race time.
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

For those who wish to try WA racing
Contender Belmont R2 No 3 Clueless Angel ($1.90Unitab)
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

May 09 Updateimages/icons/icon11.gif


Total outgoing Bets = 89units (unit=$100) Total out $8900
Bets Positive...........= 46unitsx$100 =$4600
Bets Negative..........= 43units(liability)$5240
Profit=(positive-negative)..................($640)

As promised I said I would do May09 as it was the only
month in the negative and still in the negative.Started
out in the neg till approx start of 3rd week turned
positive thru week 3 but hit a brick wall in the last
week to finally end up negative.
Sumation for 09
Jan $960
Feb $2080
Mar $350
Apr $1390
May($640)
Jun$1130
Jul $420
Aug$170
Sep Current ($150)

Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

Testing the 'Patience'

Hawkesbury R1 No 10 Miss Hinze ($1.70Unitab)
R4 No 1 Sarkosy ($2.30Unitab)
Sale R3 No 7 Piroutte ($1.80Unitab)

Townsville R4 No 5 Expecting ($2.30Unitab)
Lismore R3 No 7 Mio Cavallo ($1.90Unitab)
R4 No 2 Flexintrinidad ($1.80 Unitab)

Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

Testing the 'Patience'

Hawkesbury R1 No 10 Miss Hinze ($1.70Unitab) Not matched
R4 No 1 Sarkosy ($2.30Unitab)matched $2.05=($105)
Sale R3 No 7 Piroutte ($1.80Unitab)matched $1.75 = $100

Townsville R4 No 5 Expecting ($2.30Unitab) Not Matched
Lismore R3 No 7 Mio Cavallo ($1.90Unitab) Not Mached
R4 No 2 Feilxtrinidad ($1.80 Unitab) Matched $2.10 =$100

Regards
Shalor
Not too bad
Loss Sarkosy ($105)
Win Piroutte $100
Win Felixtrinidad $100
overall profit $95
Regards
Shalor
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[place2win]

Testing the 'Patience'
May not make it before Race 2 tomorrow
so will post a few possibles
Lay if available $2.30 or less Unitab (Min $1.70)
and can get set within 20% Betfair.

Geelong R1 No 5 Zealous
Scone R1 No 2 Miss Chantilly
R4 No 1 Flogsdream
Moruya R2 No 4 Magnetic Life
Will adjust and/or add depending on
my timeframe.
Regards
Shalorhttp://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[place2win]

Testing the 'Patience'
May not make it before Race 2 tomorrow
so will post a few possibles
Lay if available $2.30 or less Unitab (Min $1.70)
and can get set within 20% Betfair.

Geelong R1 No 5 Zealous
Scone R1 No 2 Miss Chantilly
R4 No 1 Flogsdream
Moruya R2 No 4 Magnetic Life
Will adjust and/or add depending on
my timeframe.
Regards
Shalorhttp://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
Add: Geelong R4 No 9 So much Joy
Moruya R 4 No 12 Warrilla

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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>Originally Posted by place2win
Testing the 'Patience'
May not make it before Race 2 tomorrow
so will post a few possibles
Lay if available $2.30 or less Unitab (Min $1.70)
and can get set within 20% Betfair.

Geelong R1 No 5 Zealous
Scone R1 No 2 Miss Chantilly
R4 No 1 Flogsdream
Moruya R2 No 4 Magnetic Life
Will adjust and/or add depending on
my timeframe.
Regards
Shalorhttp://www.propun.com.au/racing_forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
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Add: Geelong R4 No 9 So much Joy
Moruya R 4 No 12 Warrilla


Not here for the Zealous race so not sure if at
any stage it qualified- consider it Not Matched

Miss Chantilly Not Matched
Flogsdream Not Matched
Magnetic Life Not Mached
So Much Joy Matched ($2.10/$2.30) Profit 1 Unit $100
Warrilla Not Mached

Overall Profit 1 Unit = $100

Regards
Shalor


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Sumation for the 7 days (Testing Patience)
Day 1 No Qualifiers
Day 2 Loss .7 Unit..............................($70)
Day 3 Profit.......................................$200...$130
Day 4 Profit.......................................$200...$330
Day 5 No Qualifiers
Day 6 Profit.......................................$95....$425
Day 7 Profit.......................................$100..$525
(1 Unit = $100)
Stop at any stage when up 2units
Regards
Shalor

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Day 8 Testing the Patience

Newcastle
R1 No 8 Canzero
R3 No 6 Celero
Doomben
R1 No 1 Go Cart
Morphettville
R1 No 1 Testa Filou
R2 No 6 Ronorik
Randwick
R3 No 7 Sister Madly
R4 No 14 Beaded

Regards
Shalor

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Day 8 Testing the Patience

Newcastle
R1 No 8 Canzero Not Matched - Below Min $1.70
R3 No 6 Celero Not Matched - Above Max $2.30
Doomben
R1 No 1 Go Cart Not Matched - Above Max $2.30
Morphettville
R1 No 1 Testa Filou Not Matched - Below Min $1.70
R2 No 6 Ronorik Matched $2.60 Loss $1.6 ($160)
Randwick
R3 No 7 Sister Madly Matched $2.32 Win $1 $100
R4 No 14 Beaded Matched $2.28 Win $1 $100

Win $200 - Loss $160 Overall Profit $40 (small)

Regards
Shalor
A small return but a return nonetheless

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Day 9 Testing Patience
Caulfield Race 1 No 8 Trounce
Pt Macquarie
Race 1 No 4 Al Be Swift
Race 2 No 1 S****s
Sunshine Coast
Race 2 No 2 HeadHunter
Swan Hill
Race 1 No 5 Via Real
Race 2 No 10 Dane to Win
Queanbeyan
Race 2 No 3 Five Star Belle

Regards
Shalor

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Day 9 Testing Patience
Caulfield Race 1 No 8 Trounce DNQ over $2.30
Pt Macquarie
Race 1 No 4 Al Be Swift DNQ Short $1.70
Race 2 No 1 S****s Qualified $1.70 1 unit Profit =$100
Sunshine Coast
Race 2 No 2 HeadHunter DNQ over $2.30
Swan Hill
Race 1 No 5 Via Real DNQ over $2.30
Race 2 No 10 Dane to Win DNQ over $2.30
Queanbeyan
Race 2 No 3 Five Star Belle Qualified $1.80-matched $2.00 loss 1 unit ($100)

Regards
ShalorMissed a couple due to pricing (the way it goes)
Sumation 1 unit profit - 1 unit loss even for the day

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Day 10 Testing Patience

Bairnsdale
R3 No 10 More Fiction
R4 No 1 Alpha Tango Sierra

Orange
R2 No 2 Broccolini
R3 No 4 Johaana

Albury
R3 No 5 Canadian Kimi
R4 No 1 Xaardante

Regards
Shalor

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Day 10 Testing Patience

Bairnsdale
R3 No 10 More Fiction...............DNQ short $1.70
R4 No 1 Alpha Tango Sierra....... DNQ over $2.30

Orange
R2 No 2 Broccolini...................Qualified $1.90 matched $1.90 Loss (.9)$90
R3 No 4 Johaana.....................DNQ over #2.30

Albury
R3 No 5 Canadian Kimi.............Qualified $1.80 matched $1.90 1unit profit -5% .95 Profit $95
R4 No 1 Xaardante..................DNQ over $230

Regards
Shalor
Sumation Profit $95 Less Loss $90 (a Mamoth $5)

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No Selections To-day
Regards
Shalor

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Day 12 Testing Patience
Moonee Valley
Race 1 No 7 La Bella Encosta
Race 2 No 5 Pass the Parcel
Race 3 No 2 Don Jose
Race 4 No 4 Leica Ding
Canterbury
Race 1 No 2 Seventh Reason
Eagle Farm
Race 1 No 5 Sassafras Boy

Regards
Shalor

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Day 12 Testing Patience
Moonee Valley
Race 1 No 7 La Bella Encosta matched $1.80 Win .95 unit
Race 2 No 5 Pass the Parcel Not Matched
Race 3 No 2 Don Jose
Race 4 No 4 Leica Ding
Canterbury
Race 1 No 2 Seventh Reason Not Mached
Eagle Farm
Race 1 No 5 Sassafras Boy Matched $2.22 Win .95units

Regards
Shalor
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My Stop at any stage when up 2units comes into play
Profit 2 units (albeit 1.95 with Betfair takeout)

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My Stop at any stage when up 2units comes into play
Profit 2 units (albeit 1.95 with Betfair takeout)
Don Jose Not Mached
Leica Ding Matched $1.80 Win .95unit
Another unit profit if you continued
Regards
Shalor

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Day 1 Trialing "Patience
Probable lay bets
Ipswich
Race 1 No 4 Looks Like Deano
Race 2 No 3 Nova Ice
Wyong
R2 No 2 The Fangsta
Race 4 No 3 Regimental Hero
Naracoorte
R1 No 3 Surewood
R3 No 4 Pedantic Miss

These are the probable contenders early
Selection must be between $1.70-$2.30 on Unitab 2min before OFF.
There may be other contenders as day progresses.
There must only be ONE contender per race, if more than one no bet
At this stage we only consider the first FOUR races at each Meeting
Meetings Not covered are WA, Night and any meeting that starts after
the last of the meetings FOURTH race i.e twilight.
A 20% allowance is opperable where the designated price is not available
to lay(price $1.90 can lay up to $2.28)(price $2.30 can lay up to $2.76)
Min price on Unitab $1.70 Max Price on Unitab $2.30
Level stakes betting x 1 unit (value your choice)
We DO NOT CHASE LOSSES
Good Luck and good Punting
Regards
Shalor

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Day 1 Trialing "Patience
Probable lay bets
Ipswich
Race 1 No 4 Looks Like Deano( Matched $2.06 ) win .95 unit
Race 2 No 3 Nova Ice
Wyong
R2 No 2 The Fangsta
Race 4 No 3 Regimental Hero
Naracoorte
R1 No 3 Surewood
R3 No 4 Pedantic Miss

These are the probable contenders early
Selection must be between $1.70-$2.30 on Unitab 2min before OFF.
There may be other contenders as day progresses.
There must only be ONE contender per race, if more than one no bet
At this stage we only consider the first FOUR races at each Meeting
Meetings Not covered are WA, Night and any meeting that starts after
the last of the meetings FOURTH race i.e twilight.
A 20% allowance is opperable where the designated price is not available
to lay(price $1.90 can lay up to $2.28)(price $2.30 can lay up to $2.76)
Min price on Unitab $1.70 Max Price on Unitab $2.30
Level stakes betting x 1 unit (value your choice)
We DO NOT CHASE LOSSES
Good Luck and good Punting
Regards
ShalorYou may wish to add Wyong Race 1 No 3 I Will Succeed $2.10 at 2min mark Matched $2.25) win.95 unit
My Stop at 2 units comes into play (1.90)
Good Luck if you continue
Regards
Shalor

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You may wish to add Wyong Race 1 No 3 I Will Succeed $2.10 at 2min mark Matched $2.25) win.95 unit
My Stop at 2 units comes into play (1.90)
Good Luck if you continue
Regards
ShalorYou may wish to add Wyong race 4 No 1 Blackfriar $2 at 2min mark Not Matched Overs
Replaces regimental Hero

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You may wish to add Wyong Race 1 No 3 I Will Succeed $2.10 at 2min mark Matched $2.25) win.95 unit
My Stop at 2 units comes into play (1.90)
Good Luck if you continue
Regards
ShalorOriginally Posted by place2win
Day 1 Trialing "Patience
Probable lay bets
Ipswich
Race 1 No 4 Looks Like Deano( Matched $2.06 ) win .95 unit
Race 2 No 3 Nova Ice Not matched overs
Wyong
R2 No 2 The Fangsta ( Matched $1.9) Loss .9unit
Race 4 No 3 Regimental Hero Not Matched (Replaced By Blackfriar Not matched)
Naracoorte
R1 No 3 Surewood Not Matched overs
R3 No 4 Pedantic Miss (matched $1.85) Loss .85unit

These are the probable contenders early
Selection must be between $1.70-$2.30 on Unitab 2min before OFF.
There may be other contenders as day progresses.
There must only be ONE contender per race, if more than one no bet
At this stage we only consider the first FOUR races at each Meeting
Meetings Not covered are WA, Night and any meeting that starts after
the last of the meetings FOURTH race i.e twilight.
A 20% allowance is opperable where the designated price is not available
to lay(price $1.90 can lay up to $2.28)(price $2.30 can lay up to $2.76)
Min price on Unitab $1.70 Max Price on Unitab $2.30
Level stakes betting x 1 unit (value your choice)
We DO NOT CHASE LOSSES
Good Luck and good Punting
Regards
Shalor

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Day 2 Trialing "Patience"
Kyneton
Race 1 No 4 Miss Phromily
Race 2 No 4 The Eighth Marker
Canberra
Race 1 No 2 Real Thing
Race 4 No 2 Fab Cat
Tamworth
Race 3 No 9 Lohan

Regards
Shalor

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Day 2 Trialing "Patience"
Kyneton
Race 1 No 4 Miss Phromily Matched $2.38) Loss 1.38unit
Race 2 No 4 The Eighth Marker Not Matched - short
Canberra
Race 1 No 2 Real Thing Not Matched - over
Race 4 No 2 Fab Cat
Tamworth
Race 3 No 9 Lohan

Regards
Shalor
Had an almighty crash on my comp
If you had your eyes ON you would have added
Rockhampton Race 3 No 2 Giza (matched $2.40) win .95 unit
Canberra race 3 No 5 Sellout (matched $2.36) win .95unit

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Had an almighty crash on my comp
If you had your eyes ON you would have added
Rockhampton Race 3 No 2 Giza (matched $2.40) win .95 unit
Canberra race 3 No 5 Sellout (matched $2.36) win .95unitOriginally Posted by place2win
Day 2 Trialing "Patience"
Kyneton
Race 1 No 4 Miss Phromily Matched $2.38) Loss 1.38unit
Race 2 No 4 The Eighth Marker Not Matched - short
Canberra
Race 1 No 2 Real Thing Not Matched - over
Race 4 No 2 Fab Cat Not Matched - over
Tamworth
Race 3 No 9 Lohan (Matched $1.75) Loss .75unit**

Sumation =1.9unit - 2.13unit = -.23unit
Running total 1.9 -.23 = Profit 1.67unit
**For some this may not have been a bet, My comp went down earlier
and the 2m mark for this race showed Lohan over at $3.55 and did not
shorten on Unitab till after 1m mark. All other sites showed this at it's
true price.
Regards
Shalor

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Had an Important Engagement to-day ( My Granddaughters 5th Birthday).
On the road before 8am so unable to post selections for the day.
However if you are following this trial they would have been easy to recognise.
Randwick race 1 No 1 Actrice - win
Randwick race 3 No 1 Rothesay - win
Flemington Race 1 No 2 Pellizotti (2 stop policy in play here up 2 units) - win
Murtoa Race 1 No 13 San Mateo - win
Newcastle Race 1 No 2 Itcy Tiger (small field??) -Loss
Doomben Race 1 No 4 Citiwyse (Qualify??)
Doomben Race 2 No 3 Plenty of Practise - win
Newcastle Race 3 No 5 Honourable Aussie -win
Morphetteville Rac3 No 6 Woodcutter (Qualify??)
Gold Coast race 3 No 1 Taorima - Loss

As none of these were actually matched by me to-day
they will not be calculated in running total .(currently + 1.67units)
Regards
Shalor

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Day 4 trialing "Patience"
Bairnsdale
Race 1 No 13 Suzebabe (Not Matched) Overs
Benalla
Race 3 No 4 Kegney
Race 4 No1 Carleton
Add*
Pt Lincoln
Race 1 No 1 Super Hit
Race 4 No 4 Hands of Stone

Regards
Shalor
*Edited to add further contenders

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Day 4 trialing "Patience"
Bairnsdale
Race 1 No 13 Suzebabe (Not Matched) Overs
Benalla
Race 2 No 3 Roman Eye**(Matched $2.52) Win .95 unit
Race 3 No 4 Kegney
Race 4 No1 Carleton
Add*
Pt Lincoln
Race 1 No 1 Super Hit
Race 4 No 4 Hands of Stone

Regards
Shalor
*Edited to add further contenders**Add

[crash]

I'm just wondering if this is a 'system' [I can't seem to find the rules] on the systems page of the forum, or are you just doing your books?

[Crackone]

I'm just wondering if this is a 'system' [I can't seem to find the rules] on the systems page of the forum, or are you just doing your books?Have a look at post 15

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**AddQuote:




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Day 4 trialing "Patience"
Bairnsdale
Race 1 No 13 Suzebabe (Not Matched) Overs
Benalla
Race 2 No 3 Roman Eye**(Matched $2.52) Win .95 unit
Race 3 No 4 Kegney Not Matched)
Race 4 No1 Carleton (Not Matched)
Add*
Pt Lincoln
Race 1 No 1 Super Hit (Not Matched)
Race 4 No 4 Hands of Stone

Regards
Shalor
*Edited to add further contenders

***Add following contenders
Bairnsdale
Race 3 No 4 Testas Double (matched $1.88) Loss .88unit
Launceston
Race 3 No 5 Ocean Jeune (Matched $2.40) Loss 1.4unit
Sunshine Coast
Race 3 No 1 Zamaan



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Quote:





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Day 4 trialing "Patience"
Bairnsdale
Race 1 No 13 Suzebabe (Not Matched) Overs
Benalla
Race 2 No 3 Roman Eye**(Matched $2.52) Win .95 unit
Race 3 No 4 Kegney Not Matched)
Race 4 No1 Carleton (Not Matched)
Add*
Pt Lincoln
Race 1 No 1 Super Hit (Not Matched)
Race 4 No 4 Hands of Stone(matched $2.20) Loss 1.2units

Regards
Shalor
*Edited to add further contenders

***Add following contenders
Bairnsdale
Race 3 No 4 Testas Double (matched $1.88) Loss .88unit
Launceston
Race 3 No 5 Ocean Jeune (Matched $2.40) Loss 1.4unit
Sunshine Coast
Race 3 No 1 Zamaan(Matched $2.0) Win .95unit




</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Sumation +1.9-3.48=Loss 1.58units
Running Total =1.67-1.58 Profit.09unit

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Day 5 Trialing "Patience"
Probable Contenders
Hamilton
Race 1 No 6 Roll Under
Race 2 No 8 Blueberry Princess
Devenport
Race 1 No 1 Tellerossi
Race 2 No 11 Devon Lass
Race 4 No 8 Bonnie Heather
Warwick Farm
Race 1 No 1 The Rock
Race 2 No 6 Devoirs
Race 4 No 4 Bhutane Dane

Regards
Shalor

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Day 5 Trialing "Patience"
Probable Contenders
Hamilton
Race 1 No 6 Roll Under
Race 2 No 8 Blueberry Princess
Devenport
Race 1 No 1 Tellerossi
Race 2 No 11 Devon Lass
Race 4 No 8 Bonnie Heather
Warwick Farm
Race 1 No 1 The Rock
Race 2 No 6 Devoirs
Race 4 No 4 Bhutane Dane

Regards
ShalorAdd**
Warwick Farm
Race 3 No 2 Our Vegas Dream

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Add**
Warwick Farm
Race 3 No 2 Our Vegas Dream...Matched $2.20...win .95unit
Should also include Ballina Race 2 no 2 Rebels Matched $1.90 Loss .90unit
Sumation +1.90 - 90 = Profit 1unit
Running Total 1+.09 = 1.09 profit
Originally Posted by place2win
Day 5 Trialing "Patience"
Probable Contenders
Hamilton
Race 1 No 6 Roll Under Not matched - over
Race 2 No 8 Blueberry Princess Not matched - over
Devenport
Race 1 No 1 Tellerossi Matched $1.80...win.95unit
Race 2 No 11 Devon Lass Not Matched - over
Race 4 No 8 Bonnie Heather Not matched - over
Warwick Farm
Race 1 No 1 The Rock Not matched - over
Race 2 No 6 Devoirs Not matched -over
Race 4 No 4 Bhutane Dane Not matched over

Regards
Shalor

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Day 6 Trialing "Patience"....................Running Total = 1.09 unit Profit
Probable Contenders
Mornington
Race 2 No 8 Rum Jungle
Race 3 No 6 Cavendish

Townsville
Race 3 No 2 Reve D'or
Race 4 No 7 Whitsunday Express

Regards
Shalor

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Day 6 Trialing "Patience"....................Running Total = 1.09 unit Profit
Probable Contenders
Mornington
Race 2 No 9 Tarp*
Race 3 No 6 Cavendish

Townsville
Race 1 No 2 Hennesey Warning**
Race 3 No 2 Reve D'or
Race 4 No 7 Whitsunday Express

Regards
Shalor*amended contender
** Add Contender

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*amended contender
** Add ContenderQuote:
<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>Originally Posted by place2win
Day 6 Trialing "Patience"....................Running Total = 1.09 unit Profit
Probable Contenders
Mornington
Race 2 No 9 Tarp*....................Not Matched - Over
Race 3 No 6 Cavendish..............Not Matched - Under

Townsville
Race 1 No 2 Hennesey Warning** Not Matched - Over
Race 3 No 2 Reve D'or................Not Matched - over
Race 4 No 7 Whitsunday Express..Not matched - over

Regards
Shalor
No Adjustment
Running Total = 1.09 Profit
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Day 7 Trialing "Patience"
Probable Contenders
Canterbury
Race 1 No 4 Dance Idol
Race 2 No 1 Merensky Reef
Race 3 No 5 Parthian
Bathurst
Race 1 No 3 Annapannaa
Race 3 No 8 Miss eveready
Race 4 No 1 Flogsdream
Ballarat
Race 2 No 8 Za Bullet
Balaklava
Race 1 No 6 Posnet
Race 2 No 3 L'aubaine
Race 3 No 10 Lightning Tiger

Regards
Shalor

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Day 7 Trialing "Patience"
Probable Contenders
Canterbury
Race 1 No 4 Dance Idol
Race 2 No 1 Merensky Reef
Race 3 No 5 Parthian
Bathurst
Race 1 No 3 Annapannaa
Race 3 No 8 Miss eveready
Race 4 No 1 Flogsdream
Ballarat
Race 2 No 8 Za Bullet
Balaklava
Race 1 No 6 Posnet
Race 2 No 3 L'aubaine
Race 3 No 10 Lightning Tiger
*ADD
Doomben
Race2 No 8 Rokatoko

Regards
Shalor*ADD 14.31

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Quote:
<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>Originally Posted by place2win
Day 7 Trialing "Patience"
Probable Contenders
Canterbury
Race 1 No 4 Dance Idol>...............Matched $2.25.Loss 1.25unit
Race 2 No 1 Merensky Reef...........Matched $1.85..Loss .85unit
Race 3 No 5 Parthian...................Not Matched - over
Bathurst
Race 1 No 3 Annapannaa.............Matched $2.62..Win .95unit
Race 3 No 8 Miss eveready..........Not matched - over
Race 4 No 1 Flogsdream.............Not Matched - over
Ballarat
Race 2 No 8 Za Bullet................Not Matched - over
Balaklava
Race 1 No 6 Posnet..................Not Matched - over
Race 2 No 3 L'aubaine..............Not Matched - over
Race 3 No 10 Lightning Tiger.....Matched $2.50..Win .95unit
*ADD
Doomben
Race2 No 8 Rokatoko..............Matched $2.18.. Loss 1.18unit

Regards
Shalor
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*ADD 14.31

Sumation + 1.90 - 3.28 = Loss 1.38units
Running Total: 1.09-1.38 = Loss .27units
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Day 8 Trialing "Patience"
Probable contenders

Bendigo
Race 1 No 3 Head over heels(Pity was LAY of the DAY)
Race 2 No 4 Euphoric Realm
Race 3 No 4 Samski
Race 4 No 6 Pheromone

Gosford
Race 4 No 4 Elusive Gift

Ipswich
Race 2 No 2 backinfive

Regards
Shalor

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Day 8 Trialing "Patience".....Running Total .27units
Probable contenders

Bendigo
Race 1 No 3 Head over heels(Pity was LAY of the DAY)
Race 2 No 4 Euphoric Realm NOt Matched - over
Race 3 No 4 Samski Matched $2.65 win .95unit
Race 4 No 6 Pheromone

Gosford
Race 4 No 4 Elusive Gift

Ipswich
Race 1 No 3 Silver Trump* Matched $2.15 win .95 unit
Race 2 No 2 backinfive

Regards
Shalor*Add 13.55
My stop at 2 comes into play win 1.9 units
Running total -.27 + 1.9 = 1.63units Profit

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*Add 13.55
My stop at 2 comes into play win 1.9 units
Running total -.27 + 1.9 = 1.63units ProfitOriginally Posted by place2win
Day 8 Trialing "Patience".....Running Total .27units
Probable contenders

Bendigo
Race 1 No 3 Head over heels(Pity was LAY of the DAY)
Race 2 No 4 Euphoric Realm NOt Matched - over
Race 3 No 4 Samski Matched $2.65 win .95unit
Race 4 No 6 Pheromone

Gosford
Race 4 No 4 Elusive Gift

Ipswich
Race 1 No 3 Silver Trump* Matched $2.15 win .95 unit
Race 2 No 2 backinfive Not Matched - unders (Unitab) 2min mark overs (BF) 2min mark*

Regards
Shalor
*amended info

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Originally Posted by place2win
Day 8 Trialing "Patience".....Running Total .27units
Probable contenders

Bendigo
Race 1 No 3 Head over heels(Pity was LAY of the DAY)
Race 2 No 4 Euphoric Realm NOt Matched - over
Race 3 No 4 Samski Matched $2.65 win .95unit
Race 4 No 6 Pheromone

Gosford
Race 4 No 4 Elusive Gift Not Matched - Overs**

Ipswich
Race 1 No 3 Silver Trump* Matched $2.15 win .95 unit
Race 2 No 2 backinfive Not Matched - unders (Unitab) 2min mark overs (BF) 2min mark*

Regards
Shalor
*amended info**amended info

[place2win]

Unfortunately I will not be able to access and report on this today
will update later
Regards
Shalor

[place2win]

Had to attend a funeral for a very dear friend.

As I was not in attendance today we will not
record any winning contenders, However for
those who were following (if any) these are
the likely contenders:
Wangarratta
Race 2 No 8 Testacana
Gundagai
Race 3 No 1 Dragon's Keep
race 4 No 1 Frenchlish
Port Macquarie
Race 4 No 3 Double Honour

Which would have given you 4for4
My 2 stop would have come into play
Gundagai Race 3

Regards
Shalor

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Day 10 Trialing 'Patience'.......Running Total Profit 1.63units

Pt Macquarie
Race 3 No 4 Long Journey Home (12:06) matched $1.80 Loss .8unit
Race 4 No 3 Ship it In (12:34)

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Appologies for not posting (Not Included)

however astute followers would have selected:
Kembla Grange
Race 1 No 7 Vilakazi Street
Morphettville
Race 1 No 2 The Long Road (However overs BF)

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Day 10 Trialing 'Patience'.......Running Total Profit 1.63units

Pt Macquarie
Race 3 No 4 Long Journey Home (12:06) matched $1.80 Loss .8unit
Race 4 No 3 Ship it In (12:34) Not Matched - overs
*ADD
Caulfield
Race 3 No 4 Avenue (12:54) Matched $2.28 Loss 1.28unit
Kemla Grange
Race 2 No 3 Ashbaa Not Matched - overs
Morphettville
Race 2 No 1 Silvercity Miss
Race 3 No 1 Pluralism
Rosehill
Race 2 No 8 Khas Kura
Race 4 No 7 Rollins
Eagle Farm
Race 2 No 2 Titanium Rock

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*ADD
Caulfield
Race 3 No 4 Avenue (12:54) Matched $2.28 Loss 1.28unit
Kemla Grange
Race 2 No 3 Ashbaa Not Matched - overs
Morphettville
Race 2 No 1 Silvercity Miss Matched $2 Loss 1unit*
Race 3 No 1 Pluralism
Rosehill
Race 2 No 8 Khas Kura NOt Mached - overs*
Race 4 No 7 Rollins
Eagle Farm
Race 2 No 2 Titanium Rock Not Matched - overs*
*Updated

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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>Originally Posted by place2win
*ADD
Caulfield
Race 3 No 4 Avenue (12:54) Matched $2.28 Loss 1.28unit
Kemla Grange
Race 2 No 3 Ashbaa Not Matched - overs
Morphettville
Race 2 No 1 Silvercity Miss Matched $2 Loss 1unit*
Race 3 No 1 Pluralism Not matched - overs*
Rosehill
Race 2 No 8 Khas Kura NOt Mached - overs*
Race 4 No 7 Rollins
Eagle Farm
Race 2 No 2 Titanium Rock Not Matched - overs*

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>*Updated

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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>Originally Posted by place2win

*ADD
Caulfield
Race 3 No 4 Avenue (12:54) Matched $2.28 Loss 1.28unit
Kemla Grange
Race 2 No 3 Ashbaa Not Matched - overs
Morphettville
Race 2 No 1 Silvercity Miss Matched $2 Loss 1unit*
Race 3 No 1 Pluralism Not matched - overs*
Rosehill
Race 2 No 8 Khas Kura NOt Mached - overs*
Race 4 No 7 Rollins Not matched - overs**
Eagle Farm
Race 2 No 2 Titanium Rock Not Matched - overs*


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>*Updated**Updated

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Well unfortunately we got bitten by

a great day for Favourite BACKERS

Sumation
1.63 - 3.08 = Loss1.45units
Let's see if we can bounce back

Regards
Shalor

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Hobart

Race 1 No 6 Family Trust (12:14) Not Matched

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Hobart

Race 1 No 6 Family Trust (12:14) Not Matched*ADD
Hobart
Race 2 No 5 Tribute (12.54)

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*ADD
Hobart
Race 2 No 5 Tribute (12.54)**ADD
Hobart
Race 3 No 3 Round Satrurn (13:29)
***ADD
Cranbourne
Race 4 No 2 Kinaple

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**ADD
Hobart
Race 3 No 3 Round Satrurn (13:29)
***ADD
Cranbourne
Race 4 No 2 Kinaple***ADD
Kilmore
Race 3 No 8 Phone me Archie

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***ADD
Kilmore
Race 3 No 8 Phone me Archie***ADD
Kilmore
Race 4 no 7 Palm Trilogy
***Add
Hawkesbury
Race 4 No Halleys (14:46)

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*ADD
Hobart
Race 2 No 5 Tribute (12.54)Matched $1.70 win .95unit

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**ADD
Hobart
Race 3 No 3 Round Satrurn (13:29)
Matched $2.48 win .95unit
***ADD
Cranbourne
Race 4 No 2 KinapleMatched $1.75 win .95unit
My 2 stop play comes in win 1.9unit
Sumation -1.45+1.9=profit .45unit

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Day 12 Trialing 'Patience'

Queanbeyan
Race 1 No 8 Marechal's Honou
Race 3 No 2 Sellout
Race 4 No 4 Gypsy Jack
Muswellbrook
Race 2 No 1 universal sevens
Race 4 No 2 Flaming Circle

Regards
Shalor

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Day 12 Trialing 'Patience'

Queanbeyan
Race 1 No 8 Marechal's Honou
Race 3 No 2 Sellout
Race 4 No 4 Gypsy Jack
Muswellbrook
Race 2 No 3 Mr Jaydee fortune*
Race 4 No 2 Flaming Circle

Regards
Shalor*Amended selection (price)

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Originally Posted by place2win
Day 12 Trialing 'Patience'

Queanbeyan
Race 1 No 8 Marechal's Honour Matched $1.70 win .95unit
Race 3 No 2 Sellout Matched $2.15 Loss 1.15unit
Race 4 No 4 Gypsy Jack Not matched short
Muswellbrook
Race 2 No 3 Mr Jaydee fortune* Not Matched over
Race 4 No 2 Flaming Circle Not matched over

Regards

*Amended selection (price)
Loss .2unit

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Day 13 Trialing 'Patience' (Lucky 13?)

Grafton
Race 1 No 3 Macca's Girl
Race 2 No 9 S****s

Echuca
Race 2 No 7 Luck Rules (lets hope so)
Race 4 No 5 Definitive

Regards
Shalor

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Day 13 Trialing 'Patience' (Lucky 13?)

Grafton
Race 1 No 3 Macca's Girl Not Matched-overs
Race 2 No 9 S****s Not matched -unders

Echuca
Race 2 No 7 Luck Rules (lets hope so) matched $2.3 loss 1.3 units
Race 4 No 5 Definitive matched $1.9 loss .9unit

Regards
ShalorSumation loss 2.2units

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Day 14 Trialing 'Patience"

Murray Bridge
Race 2 No 4 Single Command

R andwick
Race 1 No 3 Scouting Wide

Doomben
Race 1 No 5 Favelizabeth
Race 2 No 8 Nesting
Race 4 No 3 Hesashow

Caulfield
Race 2 No 5 Tropic Thunder

Regards
Shalor

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Day 14 Trialing 'Patience"

Murray Bridge
Race 2 No 4 Single Command

R andwick
Race 1 No 3 Scouting Wide
Race 2 No 1 Cool Dreamer*
Race 3 No 2 Devils Arcade*


Doomben
Race 1 No 5 Favelizabeth
Race 2 No 8 Nesting
Race 4 No 3 Hesashow

Caulfield
Race 2 No 5 Tropic Thunder

Regards
Shalor
*Add (13:59)

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Originally Posted by place2win
Day 14 Trialing 'Patience"

Murray Bridge
Race 2 No 4 Single Command Not Natched-overs

R andwick
Race 1 No 3 Scouting Wide Matched $1.80 loss .8unit
Race 2 No 1 Cool Dreamer* Not matched -overs
Race 3 No 2 Devils Arcade* Scratched


Doomben
Race 1 No 5 Favelizabeth Not Matched-overs
Race 2 No 8 Nesting Matched $1.65 loss .65unit
Race 4 No 3 Hesashow Not Matched -overs

Caulfield
Race 2 No 5 Tropic Thunder Not Matched-overs

Regards
Shalor
*Add (13:59)Loss 1.45units

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Day 15 Testing 'Patience'

Wyong
Race 1 Elusive Touch (13:11)
Race 2 No 7 Mascareri
Race 3 No 1 King Thing
Race 4 No 1 Tempo Manor

Cranbourne
Race 3 No 12 Kornati
Race 4 No 4 Diva La Belle

Computer updating so missed Cranbourne race 2 No 6 Maricopa (That's Life)

Regards
Shalor

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Day 15 Testing 'Patience'

Wyong
Race 1 Elusive Touch (13:11) Matched $1.90 Loss .9unit
Race 2 No 7 Mascareri ..........Not Matched - overs
Race 3 No 1 King Thing.........Matched $2.2 Win .95unit
Race 4 No 1 Tempo Manor.....Not matched - unders

Cranbourne
Race 3 No 12 Kornati...........Not Matched - overs
Race 4 No 4 Diva La Belle.....Not matched - overs

Computer updating so missed Cranbourne race 2 No 6 Maricopa (That's Life)

Regards
Shalor
Sumation - win .05unit

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Day 16 Testing 'Patience'

Goulburn
Race 4 No 1 sandberg

Townsville
Race 3 No 5 Skywopa

Regards
Shalor

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Day 16 Testing 'Patience'

Goulburn
Race 4 No 1 sandberg Not Matched - Overs

Townsville
Race 3 No 5 Skywopa Not Matched - Overs

Regards
Shalor
Nothing today

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Day 17 Trialing 'Patience'

Newcastle
Race 2 No 1 No 7 Romany Flyer
Race 3 No 1 Falwood
Morphettville
Race 2 No 2 Tuscany View
Race 4 No 5 Tango's Choice
Gold Coast
Race 3 No 3 Red Suit
Race 4 No 10 Raining Fire

Regards
Shalor

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Day 17 Trialing 'Patience'

Newcastle
Race 2 No 1 No 7 Romany Flyer(Got that one wrong)
Race 3 No 1 Falwood Not matched - overs
Morphettville
Race 2 No 2 Tuscany View Not matched - overs
Race 4 No 5 Tango's Choice Matched $2.25 Loss 1.25unit
Gold Coast
Race 3 No 3 Red Suit Not matched - overs
Race 4 No 10 Raining Fire Not matched - overs

Regards
ShalorSumation Loss 1.25units

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Day 18 Trialing 'Patience'

Seymour
Race 1 No 7 On your mark (12.13)

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Day 18 Trialing 'Patience'

Seymour
Race 1 No 7 On your mark (12.13)*ADD
Seymour
Race 2 No 11 Tennessee Charm (12.48)

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Quote:
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Day 18 Trialing 'Patience'

Seymour
Race 1 No 7 On your mark (12.13) matched $2.05 win .95unit
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*ADD
Seymour
Race 2 No 11 Tennessee Charm (12.48) matched $2.0. win .95unit

Sumation: 2 stop policy in play Profit 1.9units

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Day 19 Trialing 'Patience'

Launceston
Race 2 No 2 Given Sunday
Race 3 No 1 Kick Boxer

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Day 19 Trialing 'Patience'

Launceston
Race 2 No 2 Given Sunday
Race 3 No 1 Kick BoxerWarrnambool
Race 1 No 2 Golden Assassin
Race 2 No 4 Golden Jaguar

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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>Originally Posted by place2win
Day 19 Trialing 'Patience'

Launceston
Race 2 No 2 Given Sunday Not matched - overs
Race 3 No 1 Kick Boxer Not matched - overs
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Warrnambool
Race 1 No 2 Golden Assassin Not matched - overs
Race 2 No 4 Golden Jaguar matched $2.00 win .05unitSumation Profit .95 unit

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Day 20 Trialing 'Patience'
Kyneton
Race 3 No 6 Deliver the Dream (13;58)
Race 4 No 1 Black Beast (14:27)

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Day 20 Trialing 'Patience'
Kyneton
Race 3 No 6 Deliver the Dream (13;58) matched $2.70 win .95unit
Race 4 No 1 Black Beast (14:27) matched $1.85 win .95unit
Sumation Profit 1.9units

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Day 21 Trialing 'Patience'

Strathalbyn
Race 3 No 11 xenophon (13:41)
Add
Canterbury
Race 2 No 4 Halleys (14:47)
Add
Gold Coast
Race 3 No 2 Fifteen Carat (14:00)

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Day 21 Trialing 'Patience'

Strathalbyn
Race 3 No 11 xenophon (13:41) matched $1.70 Loss .7unit
Add
Canterbury
Race 2 No 4 Halleys (14:47) Not matched - overs
Add
Gold Coast
Race 3 No 2 Fifteen Carat (14:00) not matched - unders
Sumation Loss .7unit
running total - Loss 1.45units

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Day 22 Trialing 'Patience'

Ipswich
Race 1 no 10 Big Boori (13:24)
Add Balarat
Race 2 No 4 Head over heels (13:25)
Add Hawkesbury
Race 2 No 1 El Zegri (13:26)

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Day 22 Trialing 'Patience'

Ipswich
Race 1 no 10 Big Boori (13:24).....matched $2.60 win .95units
Add Balarat
Race 2 No 4 Head over heels (13:25)..matched $1.85 win .95units
Add Hawkesbury
Race 2 No 1 El Zegri (13:26)
2 stop policy in play
Profit $1.90
Running total profit .45 units
As this is not performing at the rate I had expected
I am going to 'mothball' it for a while, until I can
revamp it into a more prominent performer.

Regards
Shalor