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[Ill Get There]

hi mate ,but have you ever done..

the single no

every race..except trots

odd range 1.6..10.00

day and nite

seems alrite

level stakes mild recovery

2 days stats

200 sel.......20% losing lays

profit 116 inits mild recovery

can we expect this to fall over

i like it because its not market generated and betting all odds range

respect all comments

igt thanks

[Bhagwan]

Sorry , I'm not sure what you mean by single No. my friend.

Could you clarify please.

Cheers.

[Bhagwan]

I re-read the question .

I am assuming it relates to targeting any single TAB No. & not replacing it if a scratching .

Lay bet it if priced 1.60-10.00

The concept can work in races with 10+ runners.

What happens sometimes, in smaller fields especially, is that a spate of the same number gets up on a given day , for whatever crazy reason & it takes all our lovely profits with it...not fair.

I feel if one were to continue with the idea , I feel its important to try & restrict the price to a max of $7.30 & less so that we don't get bit so hard ,because when those 10.00 babies get up it can hurt big time if the bet is not halved for these higher prices.

One could use the Maria Lay staking plan or a version of it.
Example.
1.10- 3.50 ....O/L 2% of bank
3.51 - 6.00.... O/L 1.00%
6.01 - 10.00... O/L .60%

The way that this was calculated was to divide the greater fractional odds of each of the price levels into 5.
This the gives us the percentage of bank we are going to O/L
e.g. 2.5/1 (3.50) into 5 = 2%

The 5 represents $5.00 we approx lose if the greater of the price range is hit, based on a $100 bank.

This allows for 20+ outs.

A rule I like to use is ... if we were to get bit say 3 times in a row, on the day ...STOP for the day.
Its not going to be our day, with worse to follow.
This is done to try & avoid the really bad days which will be rare but they do happen, so best be prepared.

But overall I feel it will work better than most bought systems if one keeps a handle on the number of allowable losers & stops betting once 3-5% profit is made . (Optional)

One could use a program called BetBotPro (Free trial available)
Stick in one's parameters on a given TAB number & it will do everything for you while at work & turn itself off once the 3-5% target is reached.
It has the Maria staking plan included.

[Ill Get There]

I re-read the question .

I am assuming it relates to targeting any single TAB No. & not replacing it if a scratching .

Lay bet it if priced 1.60-10.00

The concept can work in races with 10+ runners.

What happens sometimes, in smaller fields especially, is that a spate of the same number gets up on a given day , for whatever crazy reason & it takes all our lovely profits with it...not fair.

I feel if one were to continue with the idea , I feel its important to try & restrict the price to a max of $7.30 & less so that we don't get bit so hard ,because when those 10.00 babies get up it can hurt big time if the bet is not halved for these higher prices.

One could use the Maria Lay staking plan or a version of it.
Example.
1.10- 3.50 ....O/L 2% of bank
3.51 - 6.00.... O/L 1.00%
6.01 - 10.00... O/L .60%

The way that this was calculated was to divide the greater fractional odds of each of the price levels into 5.
This the gives us the percentage of bank we are going to O/L
e.g. 2.5/1 (3.50) into 5 = 2%

The 5 represents $5.00 we approx lose if the greater of the price range is hit, based on a $100 bank.

This allows for 20+ outs.

A rule I like to use is ... if we were to get bit say 3 times in a row, on the day ...STOP for the day.
Its not going to be our day, with worse to follow.
This is done to try & avoid the really bad days which will be rare but they do happen, so best be prepared.

But overall I feel it will work better than most bought systems if one keeps a handle on the number of allowable losers & stops betting once 3-5% profit is made . (Optional)

One could use a program called BetBotPro (Free trial available)
Stick in one's parameters on a given TAB number & it will do everything for you while at work & turn itself off once the 3-5% target is reached.
It has the Maria staking plan included.thanks so much.will cont trialing

trial so far

staking
recovery 44% over 2 bets

wednesday ..21-10-09

lays..91
losing lays..18
p/l.. 74 units

thursday 22-10-09

lays..106
losing lays ..21
p/l . ..69 units

friday 23-10-09

lays..101
losing lays..21
p/l...64 units

english dogs are the best i think.
20% losing lays is starting to take shape.lets hope it remains stable.
may change the recovery to a milder version,
or as bhgwan suggests go to maria
thanks for the help bhagwan

[Bhagwan]

Thanks for your findings & feedback.

The 44% recovery works brilliantly if 3 in a row don't get up or something similar close together.

A more aggressive approach is to bet 60% over 2 bets.
It makes a lot more profit.
It also costs more if we get bit .

When it goes against us , it makes our eyes go real big.
Funny that!

With UK dogs due to only having 6 runners , a pattern of numbers of the same suit tend to happen at some stage & can take all your profit lickety split.
So its an idea to get our profit & get out fast before patterns have a real chance of developing.

I have seen 8 No 3's get up in a row.
And that's normally one of the worst box draws.
So tread warily my friend in consistently small fields.

If one wants a bit of fun with the UK Dogs.
Bet the 3 highest prices in each race, level stakes.
Bet 1% per race , spread across 3 Dogs (.33% each)
Stop once 10% is made otherwise one will give it all back .
Stop once 20% is lost.
This allows for 20 outs.

Example
$100 bank
$1.00 per race spread across 3 dogs.
Max profit $10
Max loss $20

[Bhagwan]

Just out of interest , is there a particulr number that takes your fancy
so we can both monitor its progress.

[Ill Get There]

Just out of interest , is there a particulr number that takes your fancy
so we can both monitor its progress.as Angry Pixie once said,

[''never ask and never tell'']

but thats not sharing is it.i will tell, because i also want to ask!!.

i have six numbers in mind at the moment

1-6


firstly,
have you followed any no through to a few hundred consectutive races.with real money .not sim ,as i have absolutely zip faith in sim mode!!!!!

trial so far

number ?

staking
recovery 44% over 2 bets

wednesday ..21-10-09

lays..91
losing lays..18
p/l.. 74 units

thursday 22-10-09

lays..106
losing lays ..21
p/l . ..69 units

friday 23-10-09

lays..101
losing lays..21
p/l...64 units

sat 23-10-09

lays..95
losing lay..22
p/l...70

[AngryPixie]

as Angry Pixie once said,

[''never ask and never tell'']

Umm :eek:

John, I think the intention of sim mode is to prove the system over a large number of races at level stakes. Them once you've turned a "simulated" profit you could look at some form of staking plan. It's important to get the two pieces in the right sequence.

Mr B offers sound advice in regards to treading wearily. ;)

[Ill Get There]

Mr B offers sound advice in regards to treading wearily. ;)yes pixie i agree.hes a wise owl.i give a large respect to him as for you!.
only one difference he shares, his ideas and methods.

my daughter has got many ideas from mr b.

long may the losers turn us into winners.

the more money i lose the bigger the lesson.all part of learning to me.

ill get there....i will!!

[AngryPixie]

only one difference he shares, his ideas and methods.

You'll find it all here if you look, and I'm not just speaking of my posts. ;)

[Ill Get There]

trial so far

number ?

staking
recovery 44% over 2 bets

wednesday ..21-10-09

lays..91
losing lays..18
p/l.. 74 units

thursday 22-10-09

lays..106
losing lays ..21
p/l . ..69 units

friday 23-10-09

lays..101
losing lays..21
p/l...64 units

sat 23-10-09

lays..95
losing lay..22
p/l...70

Sorry forgot to post rslts..remember these are all live results.

As of tuesday im running 3 bots

stakes are of course small... .33c



Day off Sunday
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Main bot


MONDAY.26-10-09..........uk dogs only
LAYS........28
LOSING LAYS.....5
S/R.....19%
P/L..........26

TUESDAY 27-10-09
LAYS 65
LOSING LAYS.11
2.I.R ... 1
S/R ..20%
pP/L...37 units

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Other numbers.

Second bot

TUESDAY 27-10-09
LAYS...35
LOSINGS LAYS ....4
2.I.R...0
S/R....10%
P/L....27 UNITS

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Third bot

TUESDAY 28-10-09
LAYS 37
LOSING LAYS.......7
2.I.R. ....2
S/R....20%
P/L ....21 UNITS

[Bhagwan]

Hi Ill Get There

Well done.


I ran my bot in sim mode over the UK Dogs No.3 only

It fluked 33% winners (Loss to us) with 4 in a row at one stage then another stage was WLWLWLWL
A small loss .
Its just one of those nights we were talking about that does happen in dogs races.

But if one stopped on the 3rd out in a row (consecutively) as suggested in previous post , the damage was minimal.

So tread carefully with those UK Dogs due to their small fields of 6.
Try & stop if bit 3times in a row .

[thorns]

How are you guys getting on placing such small stakes? I was under the impression that they had cracked down on such small bets, and sending emails saying stop doing it or your account will be closed or suspended?

[Ill Get There]

How are you guys getting on placing such small stakes? I was under the impression that they had cracked down on such small bets, and sending emails saying stop doing it or your account will be closed or suspended?Hi thorns ,yes ive hraed that too.but until they warn me ,its business as usual.

MAIN BOT

WEDNESDAY 28-10-09
LAYS .22
LOSING LAYS..2
S/R...10%
P/L....+19 UNITS

[thorns]

You still going with this?
Have you hit a horror run yet?

[jfc]

Hi Ill Get There

Well done.


I ran my bot in sim mode over the UK Dogs No.3 only

It fluked 33% winners (Loss to us) with 4 in a row at one stage then another stage was WLWLWLWL
A small loss .
Its just one of those nights we were talking about that does happen in dogs races.

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For UK dogs, Trap 3 boasts the significantly highest Win strike rate.

And is unquestionably the the worst Lay.