Don Scott Questions

[Stix]

Hi Guys

Just a quick couple of questions if I may:

* Just wondering that like neurals, do the DS ratings change from time to time?
* Do they change once final scratching are announced?


*What "filters" have you found to be beneficial once applied to the DS rating?

....after 5 years with neurals, I've found something else to occupy my time with :D


Thanks very much in advance

[michaelg]

Hi Stix,

scratchings do change his prices but I can't be certain if this is done immediately. However, if a scratching is still shown as a runner in his market, one can manually load that scratching(s) on the worksheet by clicking-on to the Dinc column (right hand side of the screen) for any horse. This will immediately remove the horse(s) from his market and recalculate an updated price for all remaining horses.

I think the most important filter/factor in his market is that horses resuming from a spell can generally be heavily penalised.

Good luck with it.

[Stix]

Thanks Michael.

Anyone have an easy way to save your customised form guide to excel?


Right clicking the page to export to excel doesnt work

I get an error: "Web query returned no data. To change the query, click Ok, click the arrow....."

Thanks guys, much appreciated.

[The Elk]

Stix,
here is a way of downloading to excel:

1. right click on the window and select "Select All"
2. Copy & paste to Excel
3. Save the file in ".CSV" format
4. Open the ".CSV" file with Excel & you get this (Ballarat Race 1)
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</td> <td>Race Record: 0:57.57 Anquetil 18/02/2010 RST62 SOT:G</td> <td> SLOW 6</td> <td>
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</td> <td>1 </td> <td> Blatherskite </td> <td> Michael Walker</td> <td> 58.0</td> <td>82.0 </td> <td>
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</td> <td>2 </td> <td> Happy Moments </td> <td> Ashley Thompson</td> <td> 58.0</td> <td>90.5 </td> <td>
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</td> <td>3 </td> <td> Meet Me Halfway </td> <td> Lisa Cropp</td> <td> 58.0</td> <td>53.5 </td> <td>
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</td> <td>4 </td> <td> Quick Shakes </td> <td> Stephen Vella</td> <td> 58.0</td> <td>60.0 </td> <td>
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</td> <td>5 </td> <td> Tarcoola Sunshine </td> <td> Lincoln Coffey</td> <td> 56.0</td> <td>54.5 </td> <td>
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</td> <td>6 </td> <td> Cape Canaveral </td> <td> Mark Zahra</td> <td> 55.5</td> <td>147.5 </td> <td>
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</td> <td>7 </td> <td> Instant Camera </td> <td> Ben Melham</td> <td> 55.5</td> <td>82.0 </td> <td>
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</td> <td>8 </td> <td> Flash Of Doubt </td> <td> Ivan Culliver</td> <td> 53.5</td> <td>283.5 </td> <td>
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</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">TAB</td> <td>HORSE</td> <td>NR</td> <td>HCP</td> <td>CP</td> <td>CF</td> <td>TIM</td> <td>JA</td> <td>TA</td> <td>JT</td> <td>BP</td> <td>WET</td> <td>CRS</td> <td>D</td> <td>$</td> <td>DLR</td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">8 </td> <td> Flash Of Doubt</td> <td>283.5 </td> <td>
</td> <td>18 </td> <td>81 </td> <td>85 </td> <td>5 </td> <td>8 </td> <td>10 </td> <td>13 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>14 </td> <td>14 </td> <td>18 </td> <td>18 </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">6 </td> <td> Cape Canaveral</td> <td>147.5 </td> <td>
</td> <td>50 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>1 </td> <td>8 </td> <td>25 </td> <td>10 </td> <td>11 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>25 </td> <td>15 </td> <td>2 </td> <td>1 </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">2 </td> <td> Happy Moments</td> <td>90.5 </td> <td>
</td> <td>1 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>1 </td> <td>18 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>8 </td> <td>13 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>14 </td> <td>14 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>17 </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">1 </td> <td> Blatherskite</td> <td>82.0 </td> <td>
</td> <td>3 </td> <td>5 </td> <td>1 </td> <td>8 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>10 </td> <td>14 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>10 </td> <td>14 </td> <td>1 </td> <td>14 </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">7 </td> <td> Instant Camera</td> <td>82.0 </td> <td>
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</td> <td>7 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>1 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>13 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>9 </td> <td>14 </td> <td>2 </td> <td>1 </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">3 </td> <td> Meet Me Halfway</td> <td>53.5 </td> <td>
</td> <td>1 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>1 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>3 </td> <td>13 </td> <td>0 </td> <td>14 </td> <td>14 </td> <td>2 </td> <td>1 </td> </tr> <tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"> <td colspan="13" style="height:15.0pt;mso-ignore:colspan" height="20">The numbers shown in each individual column are integer value of actual number. Them may not add up to the exact NR value.</td> <td>
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</td> </tr> </tbody></table> You can then extract what you require (copy /paste) and save as in excel format.

A bit fiddly - but easy to do (the data can be downloaded automatically if you have the programming skills)

cheers


cheers

[Stix]

Thanks Elk, much appreciated. I've been doing that, it's OK,, but I'd love a friendly member to help out.....Shaun please? :D

[Stix]

I might post the manual Selections here and see if I can "WIN" some interest: :p

Canterbury R1-1 Golden Feima
Canterbury R5-2 Midnight At Ascot
Ipswich R3-1 Castle Express
Ipswich R7-1 All Taken
Moonee Valley R3-2 Reuben Percival
Moonee Valley R4-1 Definitely Ready
Moonee Valley R6-4 Beallantina
Northam R5-1 Doutable
Northam R7-5 Digital Blackout
Stawell R6-4 Sirius About You

Watch it fall over... :cool:

[Stix]

OK, have found the following to be helpfull when using the DS ratings:
* no Dead tracks
* no Apprentices
* no Metro
* >=55kg
* no Mares


These appear to be your "usual suspects" when assessing races, but seem to be effective.

Anyone else like to share their findings would be appreciated, or dorp me a line at stix_hotcopper @ aanet com au

Cheers

[Stix]

Often find talking to myself helps too....... :o

[UselessBettor]

Stix,

I do read these. I just haven't had time to folow these angles up.

[beton]

Stix
Your writings do not fall in front of blind eyes. Some of us do not have anything worthy of contribution. Given time we may but in the interim it would be insulting to put something into the mix for just to be heard. I was always taught if you cannot constructively contribute then shut up. But when you are after a response and don't get one, then it bites.

[TWOBETS]

OK, have found the following to be helpfull when using the DS ratings:
* no Dead tracks
* no Apprentices
* no Metro
* >=55kg
* no Mares


These appear to be your "usual suspects" when assessing races, but seem to be effective.

Anyone else like to share their findings would be appreciated, or dorp me a line at stix_hotcopper @ aanet com au

CheersTo me Stix I see these type of ratings as an end in themselves. Surely DS has already made what he felt were the required adjustments to get to his ratings. Or have I horribly over simplified this angle ?

[darkydog2002]

The thing to be aware of is the TC they,ve rated for.
i.e TC today = good BUT the ratings are given out for Dead.

Its R+S major Fault and no matter how often you tell them their too lazy to do anything about it.

Cheers
darky

[Bhagwan]

There were 30927 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.

There were 191 selections for the System
There were 51 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 26.7%
There were $228.87 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $37.87 or a percentage profit/loss of 19.83%

Summary
27% SR
20% POT

RULES
Don Scott 1
Days Last Start 4-7 days

[Stix]

Thanks Bhags



Below are the results of your system. If you were testing Laying it is against the higher price available. if you test betting its agaisnt the lower available value on betfair.

There were 30927 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.There were 1545 selections for the System
There were 438 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 28.35%
There were $1552.16 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $7.16 or a percentage profit/loss of 0.46%


<$10
>54.5kg
=1 Rank
<1601m


It's a good site for testing.....but I'm hoping for some first hand experiences with looking at the DS ratings, can't be too promising as no one wants to contribute...does not bode well for me...must of all "Crash'ed and burned...

[UselessBettor]

Stix,

Don Scott top ranks are a good starting point espeically when used with a barrier or price filter. Try wide barriers and $5+ or even in a price range.

You need to avoid the favourites and/or short priced horses with the don scott ratings as they are overbet.