To Don Scott Ratings "Disciples"

[Barny]

Many here extol the virtues of Don Scott ratings, it all sounds very easy to follow and use one way or another to win / improve an existing system.

One thing I have NEVER seen posted here are the success rate of the TOP RATED nag, either Strike Rate or POT.

I cannot recall any evidence to back up the claims that Don Scott ratings are as good as people say. We have done the favouries S/R to death, barriers, ten thousand systems, jockeys, and on and on it goes, BUT NO analysis on Don Scott ratings.

I stand to be corrected ......

[darkydog2002]

Uselessbettor (why the name by the way) might give us some info or I suppose you could check yourself with his free data base.
As a multiple bettor I,m not partiicularly interested myself but others might.
Cheers
darky

[The Ocho]

There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.

There were 4632 selections for the System
There were 1092 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 23.58%
There were $4510.09 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $-121.91 or a percentage profit/loss of -2.63%

Test Another System

The Rules used were : donScottRank = 1

[Barny]

Thank you The Ocho. They're impressive figures for sure, much better than I would have thought.

[Stix]

With one filter applied.....
There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.
There were 1121 selections for the System
There were 281 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 25.07%
There were $1194.33 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $73.33 or a percentage profit/loss of 6.54%


By adding just one more filter...
There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.
There were 940 selections for the System
There were 243 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 25.85%
There were $1048.7 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $108.7 or a percentage profit/loss of 11.56%

Reasonable results for one and two filters.... :cool:

Thanks Useless bettor!!

[darkydog2002]

What was the filter?

[Stix]

Have emailed you Darc' :D

[Barny]

There are two filters Darkydog2002, and I'm pleased they've been kept quiet. Little subtleties like this surely must convince the unwashed that there is money to be made from system betting.

I have over 100 systems (none purchased) and have developed a couple of logical ones that are doing OK. There seem to be some on here that do show a decent POT ...... Why am I bothering saying this? 'Coz I'm going to give a bit back here, not posting my 'good' systems, 'coz my good systems might turn bad and cost someone their rent money, BUT in the guise of my last couple of posts where some decent information is to be had.

Chrome Prince's avoiding mares & fillies backing up in 7 days is gold.

There are some really smart dudes who have visited this forum over the years.

cheers

[Barny]

Sorry if I offended you DD, didn't mean to. Stix, you didn't need to be so harsh either mate.

[darkydog2002]

You didnt offend me Barny.
Cheers
darky

[gunny72]

Stix, could you tell us how many of the number 1 ranking DS ratings were last start winners?
gunny72

[UselessBettor]

Guys I have been out of action with a virus infected pc the last few days. I finally got back up and running today.

Gunny72,

The stats for top rank and last start winner are below:


There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.
There were 1146 selections for the System
There were 307 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 26.79%
There were $1090.31 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $-55.69 or a percentage profit/loss of -4.86%

Test Another System (http://testyoursystem.000space.com/TestSystem.php)

The Rules used were : lastStart = 1 and donScottRank = 1

Feel free to use the site to do your own research. I plan on adding the last week of results onto it in the next couple of days.

[Stix]

Sorry if I offended you DD, didn't mean to. Stix, you didn't need to be so harsh either mate.Me harsh? Did you read your own post? It's not what this forum is about mate.

[Barny]

Yeah I did read my own post Stix. You used CAPS to belittle me about the situation I was / and am going through.

Not nice.

[Stix]

Yeah I did read my own post Stix. You used CAPS to belittle me about the situation I was / and am going through.

Not nice.If you are that fragile, shut the computer down.. You aren't doing yourself any favours.
I wouldn't suggest to an alcoholic go to a pub just to chat to his mates...
And before you think I'm being harsh, a dose of reality does more good than most think - you don't have to believe me or agree with me, I can only draw on experiences with people close to me and the sooner they face it, the earlier they deal with it....and it can be day in day out for years on end.
Remove yourself and you give yourself an opportunity for a more even approach to each day and don't purposely or otherwise cause angst to yourself or more importantly others.

End of Story...back to the forum,

[Barny]

Stix, the post that got deleted wasn't addressed to you. You just decided to poke your nose in.

BTW, there are 'fragile' people out there, and you could actually tip someone over the edge by belittling them and intentionally going after them. Nice work.

[Stix]

Stix, the post that got deleted wasn't addressed to you. You just decided to poke your nose in.

BTW, there are 'fragile' people out there, and you could actually tip someone over the edge by belittling them and intentionally going after them. Nice work.It's an open forum Barny and uncalled for hence the TOU violation.

I didn't know you suffered from hoofdaphobia as well, so just in case the above is only an acronym...

Belittle and intentionally go after someone eh? Well, what was the point of your TOU'd post again??...grow up mate, stop using that crutch.

[Barny]

Sounds very much like you've had some experience with drug addicts or alcoholics. Tough love might work there, I don't know. What I do know is that you lack emotional intelligence.

[Stix]

What was the filter?Sent you a couple more filters....

Using UB's data he kindly posted:

Sel 980
Win 264
S.R 27%
Profit 206u
POT 21%

Even better if stick to QLD, NSW & VIC racing...

All the best mate.

[Stix]

Sounds very much like you've had some experience with drug addicts or alcoholics. Tough love might work there, I don't know. What I do know is that you lack emotional intelligence.
Nope. You have no idea Barny and you've proved that a number of times, although you do appear to be a very funny man Barny.....it's a internet forum mate not a cuddle fest, you could be anyone, anywhere.....emotional intelligence is saved for the real world....

....just out of interest did you google hoofdaphobia, or did you already know the meaning!? LOL....oops i've done it again!!!

[Barny]

Had to google it Stix ..... lol

Now that is FUNNY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Barny]

Stix, thanks for the private email and the apology ..... All good!

[Chrome Prince]

I actually thought hoofdaphobia had something to do with Fred Nile :D

[darkydog2002]

Thanks Stix,
Much appreciated,
Cheers
darky

[darkydog2002]

Hoofdaphobia.
oo boys now you,ve tickled me fancy.

[Barny]

Mr DD02, you DO NOT have Pteronophobia ....

[Stix]

I actually thought hoofdaphobia had something to do with Fred Nile :DNow that is funny!

[darkydog2002]

oo.Never Barn Barn.
Do you have a proposal?

[jose]

There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.

There were 1914 selections for the System
There were 440 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 22.99%
There were $2002 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $88 or a percentage profit/loss of 4.6%

Add 1 more filter and you get...

There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.

There were 1362 selections for the System
There were 342 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 25.11%
There were $1532.91 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $170.91 or a percentage profit/loss of 12.55%


Not too shabby for 2 filters put over the DS Top Rater.

[jose]

Add 1 more to the above and we get...

There were 1084 selections for the System
There were 287 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 26.48%
There were $1261.01 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $177.01 or a percentage profit/loss of 16.33%

Not many bets really, but looks like it might hold up.

[Stix]

Add 1 more to the above and we get...

There were 1084 selections for the System
There were 287 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 26.48%
There were $1261.01 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $177.01 or a percentage profit/loss of 16.33%

Not many bets really, but looks like it might hold up.There were 1084 selections for the System

UB can confirm the database date range, but I'm pretty sure its as of August 2011 to mid December so approx 4.5 months..... or an average of approx 250 bets per month.....in my book that is a "few".......:confused:

[jose]

Yes Stix, on reflection I suppose it is.

For those interested, the qualifiers for today are...

Wyong 2-4 Madam Nash (Yes yes I know it has just won)
Wyong 4-5 The Firehouse

Sand 5-1 Guru Bob
Sand 7-8 Chamandi

Ascot 3-9 Dark Rock
Ascot 5-9 Negra Santo
Ascot 8-4 Head For Heights

Gawler 7-3 Test Pilot
Gawler 8-4 Miners Gem

Launc 3-12 Kylie's Run

Doom 2-4 Hetty

That is a fair few bets for the day.

[Stix]

Yes Stix, on reflection I suppose it is.

For those interested, the qualifiers for today are...

Wyong 2-4 Madam Nash (Yes yes I know it has just won)
Wyong 4-5 The Firehouse

Sand 5-1 Guru Bob
Sand 7-8 Chamandi

Ascot 3-9 Dark Rock
Ascot 5-9 Negra Santo
Ascot 8-4 Head For Heights

Gawler 7-3 Test Pilot
Gawler 8-4 Miners Gem

Launc 3-12 Kylie's Run

Doom 2-4 Hetty

That is a fair few bets for the day.Hey Jose

email me at stix_hotcopper at aanet dot com dot au and I'll share a couple filters, ideas with you - if you like of course :o

[jose]

Sent Stix.

[Stix]

Sent Stix.Straight back at ya.

[The Ocho]

There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.

There were 1914 selections for the System
There were 440 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 22.99%
There were $2002 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $88 or a percentage profit/loss of 4.6%

Add 1 more filter and you get...

There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.

There were 1362 selections for the System
There were 342 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 25.11%
There were $1532.91 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $170.91 or a percentage profit/loss of 12.55%


Not too shabby for 2 filters put over the DS Top Rater.
I've tried a lot of different numbers on UB's site but, for the life of me, I can't find that sort of return you have found. Any hints?

[jose]

Think outside the box.

Send me an email at josefimmer62 at gmail dot com dot au

[The Ocho]

Sent :)

[jose]

Run you up a stump there Ocho.
Drop the
dot au
from that addy.

[The Ocho]

Done.

[bernie]

Here's one for ya. Unlike some, I will give the system details.


There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.

There were 388 selections for the System
There were 91 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 23.45%
There were $515.61 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $127.61 or a percentage profit/loss of 32.89%


The Rules used were : barrier >= 5 and distance >= 1300 and lastStart >= 5 and donScottRank = 1

[jose]

Sent reply Ocho.

[jose]

" Here's one for ya. Unlike some, I will give the system details. "

You only have to ask Bernie. I won't put rules of anything up here for the trawlers to get hold of.

Send me an email to the above addy and I'll give you the rules.

[jose]

4 x winners today.

Wyong 2-4 Madam Nash $2.30
Wyong 4-5 The Firehouse
Sand 5-1 Guru Bob
Sand 7-8 Chamandi $2.70
Ascot 3-9 Dark Rock
Ascot 5-9 Negra Santo $7.70
Ascot 8-4 Head For Heights $10.10
Gawler 7-3 Test Pilot
Gawler 8-4 Miners Gem
Launc 3-12 Kylie's Run
Doom 2-4 Hetty

Outlay 11
Return $22.80 @ Unitab prices.

No too shabby at all.

[TheSchmile]

Hi Jose,

I've forwarded you an email if that's ok?

The Schmile

[jose]

No worries.

[The Ocho]

Good result there Jose. :)

[Bhagwan]

This looks interesting.
It also showed +8% POT for the Place 75% SR
5+ runners.

Approx 1-3 bets a day.

Win & Place betting 1x4
28% POT
40%SR

RULES
Dist 1000-1100
Price 2.20-4.30
TAB No. 1-3
Barrier 1-3
Career strs 1+
Ignore Resumers


There were 107 selections for the System
There were 43 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 40.19%
There were $136.45 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $29.45 or a percentage profit/loss of 27.52%

The Rules used were : WinPriceLay >= 2.2 and WinPriceLay <=4.3 and horseNumber >= 1 and horseNumber <=3 and barrier >= 1 and barrier <=3 and distance >= 1000 and distance <=1100 and daysLastStart <= 89

[Bhagwan]

This is a Lay Plan.

Similar rules as previous plan except it 1200m exactly & we are Laying them to lose.
Amazing how there is a massive difference between to 2 plans due to distance difference.
There could be a lot to be said for creating systems over specialised distance ranges.

Lay to fall over
81% SR
30% POT

RULES
Dist 1200 exactly
Price 2.20-4.50
TAB No. 1-3
Barrier 1-3
Career strs 1+
Ignore Resumers


There were 96 selections for the System
There were 78 which Lost (did not win race) for the System for a strike rate of 81.25%
You had to pay out $62.75 but brought in $91.2 after 5% commission. This means a Profit or loss of $28.45 or a percentage profit/loss of 29.64%

The Rules used were : WinPriceLay >= 2.2 and WinPriceLay <=4.5 and horseNumber >= 1 and horseNumber <=3 and barrier >= 1 and barrier <=3 and distance = 1200 and careerRaces >= 1 and daysLastStart <= 89

[Bhagwan]

Result
Using the 1000-1100
Bet 1x4 W&P Plan
Wed 18th Jan

2 from 2 selections .

Gawler R7
3.30/1.40

Launceston R7
Ran 2nd
-/ 2.60

Betting 10x40 = 50 per race
3.30 x 10 = 34.00
1.40 x 40 = 56.00
2.60 x 40 = 104.00
Ret $194.00

Ret $194
O/L $100
Prof +$94

12.5% increase on bank .

Bank needed 15 x 50.00 = 750.00
You will be collecting approx 75% of the time.
Make big money.

[Ricardo48]

Here is one that's not to bad. Using Uni TAB rating 96 seems to work well.


There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.

There were 983 selections for the System
There were 126 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 12.82%
There were $1227.85 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $244.85 or a percentage profit/loss of 24.91%

Test Another System

The Rules used were : barrier >= 5 and barrier <=10 and rating = 96 and weight >= 54 and weight <=58 and distance >= 1000 and distance <=1600

[Ricardo48]

If you add Cond='G' you get these results.

There were 49527 horse form lines in the database at this point in time. We update when we get time.

There were 625 selections for the System
There were 77 Winners for the System for a strike rate of 12.32%
There were $838.89 returned for WIN (after 5% commission) which means a Profit or loss of $213.89 or a percentage profit/loss of 34.22%

Test Another System

The Rules used were : barrier >= 5 and barrier <=10 and rating = 96 and weight >= 54 and weight <=58 and distance >= 1000 and distance <=1600 and cond = 'G'

[Bhagwan]

We're all churning out profitable systems like sausages.


I Like it.

[UselessBettor]

There were 1084 selections for the System

UB can confirm the database date range, but I'm pretty sure its as of August 2011 to mid December so approx 4.5 months..... or an average of approx 250 bets per month.....in my book that is a "few".......:confused:
Im a little behind but yes this is right 7th August 2011 I think.

I am loading a bit more data tonight so as a suggestion if you had a system and want to see how it goes real time you can compare the results from before the data update till after the update.

[Ricardo48]

Thanks once again for providing such a tool for our use UselessBettor, much appreciated.
Just one question, is there any chance in the future you might add the option for selecting Metro or Provincial meetings?

[UselessBettor]

Its been asked a few times and I have lists to do it but right now I haven't had a chance. The best I can give is that at some point if I get time I'll be adding it in.

[Ricardo48]

Fair enough, I can understand how time consuming it must be to keep your database up to date.

[kiwi]

I like the ideas around the Don Scott ratings expressed here.

Perhaps an addition which can't be measured by a data base is the jockey.

Before I usually confirm a bet the rider must be a hot jockey.

This can be found in R&S stat section.