I only have 20 seconds today!

[lomaca]

At work so no time to play.

Go for the fours
Horsham race 6 No 4 and race 8 No 4

Good luck

[lomaca]

Good luckTwo selections today, Sale race 8 No 8 ea way, hoping for a win!
No 7 place, should be at good odds I hope.

[moeee]

I guess we all hope our selections win.
I hope to get to the stage where hope is unnecessary.

Some fine selections you came up with there.
Good Luck with them.

[lomaca]

Two selections today, Sale race 8 No 8 ea way, hoping for a win!
No 7 place, should be at good odds I hope.Didn't realise there were only 2 place divies here sorry!

''for today

I can only find one dog in all the races I looked at today that might! might? be a good bet.

Shep race 8 number 4 BRYNNE BALE ("")ea way.

Good luck if betting.

[lomaca]

Only a few seconds to look at them today.

Warragul (http://www.tab.com.au/Racing/Information/DisplayRaces.aspx?State=1&MeetingCode=E&RacingCode=G&FromDate=2012-05-17T00%3a00%3a00)

race 6 No 4
race 7 No 1
race 8 No 6,7
race 9 No 8,1,4,6
race 10 No 1
race 11 No 1
race 12 No 3
good luck

[lomaca]

Warragul (http://www.tab.com.au/Racing/Information/DisplayRaces.aspx?State=1&MeetingCode=E&RacingCode=G&FromDate=2012-05-17T00%3a00%3a00)

race 6 No 4
race 7 No 1
race 8 No 6,7
race 9 No 8,1,4,6
race 10 No 1
race 11 No 1
race 12 No 3
good luckactually in race 10 there are five others very close together
in order, 1,5,4,6,7,2

[moeee]

actually in race 10 there are five others very close together
in order, 1,5,4,6,7,2
Perhaps might be best to report no selection in these instances.

[lomaca]

good luckHad a few good wins today, might spend more time on the greys in the future as they look promising
.
Finished for the day but one caught my eye at Geelong race 10, No 5 might, and I emphasise, might be a good bet if not too short.
Don't watch prices but don't bet on odds on favs either, the top selection is the top selection. The price is what is offered one takes it or leaves it.
Good luck

[lomaca]

Had a few good wins today
Good luckLets see if the curse takes care of that little notion?

Time Race# Track Dog
---------------------------------------------
17:46 3 The Gardens 3 AMERICAN IDI
17:46 3 The Gardens 5 LOVE THE LOH
17:46 3 The Gardens 1 TREE FIDDY

19:39 7 Traralgon 4 ALLY MAC
19:39 7 Traralgon 1 ALWAYS PUZZL

19:50 2 Wentworth P 5 FORUM RULES
19:50 2 Wentworth P 8 MEGGSY ZARR

20:02 8 Traralgon 5 DOLLY'S HAND

20:14 5 Richmond 2 CASSAR GIRL
20:14 5 Richmond 4 FLYING PEGGY

20:20 4 The Meadows 6 INDY SON

20:26 9 Traralgon 2 HUN CAN YOU
20:26 9 Traralgon 8 LA ROCA
20:26 9 Traralgon 4 MCCOSKER SPE

20:27 4 Wentworth P 4 CAWBOURNE HA

20:34 6 Richmond 1 ALPINADOR

20:47 5 Wentworth P 3 DESOLATE
20:47 5 Wentworth P 1 MR. GAZMICK

21:12 6 Wentworth P 5 OH KAY
21:12 6 Wentworth P 3 PROVEN CUE
21:12 6 Wentworth P 4 RETICULATE

21:21 8 Richmond 1 ANRON'S BOY

21:35 7 Wentworth P 6 BYE BYE BUCK

22:05 9 The Meadows 1 ONYA SPLASH

22:37 10 Wentworth P 7 JENNIFER ROB
22:37 10 Wentworth P 8 ME ME ME
22:37 10 Wentworth P 6 RED JAFFA
22:37 10 Wentworth P 4 ROWDY JOE
22:37 10 Wentworth P 3 TRENT MATE

24:17 11 Cannington 7 COLLEEN'S CO
24:17 11 Cannington 3 DEUTRONIUM


Good luck if inclined to bet!

[lomaca]

Lets see if the curse takes care of that little notion?


Good luck if inclined to bet!Sorry, I forgot to say, I don't have enough records for Saturday to be sure it works as well as on weekdays, due to being busy with horses on Saturdays.
We shall see anyway, the process is the same so I can't see why not?
Although some days are better than others.

[moeee]

Well i haven't as yet had time to peruse your selections Lomaca , but you sure as hlell have posted them in a pretty and easy to read format.
Thank you for that.
Is it difficult for you to translate how you done that so should I choose to post similar , then I too would have the knowledge to do so?

[lomaca]

Well i haven't as yet had time to peruse your selections Lomaca , but you sure as hlell have posted them in a pretty and easy to read format.
Thank you for that.
Is it difficult for you to translate how you done that so should I choose to post similar , then I too would have the knowledge to do so?If you have something already formatted to a degree, like Excel sheet data, or text formatted to columns, putting it between:

"[" "code" "]" and "[" "/" "code" "]" without the quotation marks! I had to put it in otherwise it was treated for real.
usually forces it to retain the original formatting.

This forum engine is unfortunately not the snazziest but it still works in a fashion.

Try it.

[moeee]

Thanks for that Lomaca.
My stuff is in Excel format.
I'll give it a try when I'm not too busy.
Saturday Nights are always my busiest.

Lomaca.
I checked out your Traralgon race 7
Good luck with ALLY MAC , but Always Puzzled is my top selection.



1 ALWAYS PUZZLED $3.9
8 SUPERSONIC BOOM $4.4
5 BAGO STEEL $4.6
6 INVICTUS VENESSA $5.7
4 ALLY MAC $17.2
7 SHREK'S HAND $20.6
3 BOTTLES MAGIC $48.6



and without format

1 ALWAYS PUZZLED $3.9
8 SUPERSONIC BOOM $4.4
5 BAGO STEEL $4.6
6 INVICTUS VENESSA $5.7
4 ALLY MAC $17.2
7 SHREK'S HAND $20.6
3 BOTTLES MAGIC $48.6

[lomaca]

Thanks for that Lomaca.
My stuff is in Excel format.
I'll give it a try when I'm not too busy.
Saturday Nights are always my busiest.

Lomaca.
I checked out your Traralgon race 7
Good luck with ALLY MAC , but Always Puzzled is my top selection.

Well it looks better but as I said this forum engine is not the latest, as a matter of fact I don't think it has changed from the word go, but no matter.

As to my selections it's all mechanical it simply selects the candidates according to a few criteria but makes no distinction other than that. Now that I've written the code to do the process it honestly takes only about 10 seconds to churn it out.

Is it any good?
Time will tell, yesterday I had 46 selection with some multiple selections in the same race and betting each one I had a place return of $46.70 and $44.30 for the win.

Out of the 46 I could pick out 26 I regarded as better chances according to my rules, and the return was : $31.1 for the place and $38.3 for the win betting every one.

As I said time will tell.

[lomaca]

Well it looks better but as I said this forum engine is not the latest, as a matter of fact I don't think it has changed from the word go, but no matter.

As to my selections it's all mechanical it simply selects the candidates according to a few criteria but makes no distinction other than that. Now that I've written the code to do the process it honestly takes only about 10 seconds to churn it out.

Is it any good?
Time will tell, yesterday I had 46 selection with some multiple selections in the same race and betting each one I had a place return of $46.70 and $44.30 for the win.

Out of the 46 I could pick out 26 I regarded as better chances according to my rules, and the return was : $31.1 for the place and $38.3 for the win betting every one.

As I said time will tell.to distinguish between selections my number for race 7 at Trg. Always P 2.5 and for Ally M 2.8 so on paper Ally M is better. (these are not odds!)

for the next race 2 at Wentworth #5 is 1.38 and #8 is 1.67. for the 26 mentioned I picked the highest number, but for the moment I'm not sure if is wise so I post them all.

[moeee]

to distinguish between selections my number for race 7 at Trg. Always P 2.5 and for Ally M 2.8 so on paper Ally M is better. (these are not odds!)

Had this Race been over the 513 metres , would the figures churned out by the Computer be exactly the same?

[lomaca]

Had this Race been over the 513 metres , would the figures churned out by the Computer be exactly the same?afraid so, distance does not come into it, what I want to do next is to look at the "inrun" figures, but as I stated many times, it seems to work as is and I really don't want to complicate it.

Ally Mac or any others may fail but I've seen convoluted ratings and pre-race descriptions as how the race will be run do no better.

[moeee]

afraid so, distance does not come into it
well there's your problem right there.

But if its not worth the extra effort if you feel the gain is minimal , I can understand.

I am a Form analyser so the distance is probably my most important factor.
Not working too well at The Meadows as yet but did collect in the 7th at Traralgon.
Messed up the Flexi4 though.
Tried to be too cute as usual - cost me about $15 return.

[lomaca]

Ally Mac or any others may fail but I've seen convoluted ratings and pre-race descriptions as how the race will be run do no better. Well it's hard to describe yesterday's effort anything else than a total disaster.

I knew I had limited records for Saturdays but still, I expected better than that, going by results for the other days.

Yesterday's selections developed a definite affinity for the fourth position, nearly 45% S/R for that, maybe I should bet the first four and have them as standout?

Give Sunday a go today to see how it goes, but don't have much hope for it.

Wonder why Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are so much better? Can't see any difference myself but probably people with more knowledge about the greys could point it out?

[moeee]

I can only comment on the races that I had studied , and compare your selections and can find nothing substantial.

Was there a significant difference with the results for Saturday , and the results for your Warragul selections?

Your selections failed because that happens.
You musn't dismiss them on just one meeting.

One thing that could be comprimising your success is that Saturday nights are City Meetings and Punters with much greater knowledge than either you or I Lomaca feed into these Pools.
That means that the percentage of mug money is substantially lower than at many other venues.
In fact I would go further to say that you and are are in fact part of the mug money on these Meetings :)

Lomaca.
Why is it that Warragul had a whole bunch of eligible races , yet Traralgon and The Meadows had very few?
Is there in fact a selection for every race , only you cherry pick which ones you post , or is there a criteria as to whether a race is actually rateable?

[lomaca]

Well it's hard to describe yesterday's effort anything else than a total disaster.

I knew I had limited records for Saturdays but still, I expected better than that, going by results for the other days.

Yesterday's selections developed a definite affinity for the fourth position, nearly 45% S/R for that, maybe I should bet the first four and have them as standout?

Give Sunday a go today to see how it goes, but don't have much hope for it.

Wonder why Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are so much better? Can't see any difference myself but probably people with more knowledge about the greys could point it out?here are today's races, maybe I have better luck with these.


Time Race# Track Dog
--------------------------------------------
12:18 1 Manukau 1 BEARLY POSSI
13:10 3 Manukau 4 AGENT VICTOR
14:35 7 Healesville 2 ASTON TYLER
14:41 7 Manukau 8 KEZZ
15:19 9 Healesville 2 HARDAWAY MAS
15:53 11 Manukau 1 DIAMOND RAID
17:24 2 Nowra 8 AFRICAN STAT
17:40 4 Canberra 8 BARNEY'S LEE
17:42 3 Nowra 5 AMBASSADOR O
18:28 5 Nowra 6 BIT RICH
18:57 8 Canberra 2 FIRST BANQUE
19:09 6 Strathalbyn 2 ASTON ODIN
19:24 8 Sale 6 BUCKLEY ROSE
19:24 8 Sale 7 GLOMING
19:24 8 Sale 8 MCMORGAN
19:39 8 Albion Park 5 BIG SANDPIT
19:39 8 Albion Park 8 CAKES AND PI
19:48 8 Strathalbyn 1 JAINAMO
19:49 9 Sale 4 BARKARDI GIR
20:09 10 Sale 2 ALPHA ODYSSE
20:13 9 Strathalbyn 7 GIVE ME LIP
20:13 9 Strathalbyn 5 HE'S GOT SPI
20:37 10 Strathalbyn 6 SHEZA NEO
20:37 10 Strathalbyn 3 SLIPPER'S SW
20:57 12 Albion Park 4 ARCTIC BLAST

[lomaca]

I can only comment on the races that I had studied , and compare your selections and can find nothing substantial.
Hope you are right, I've been doing this for a few months now but not every day, and the results were quite good for the effort involved.

Lomaca.
Why is it that Warragul had a whole bunch of eligible races , yet Traralgon and The Meadows had very few?
Is there in fact a selection for every race , only you cherry pick which ones you post , or is there a criteria as to whether a race is actually rateable?It simply comes down to the dogs moeee, not the track or distance.
If there are qualifying dogs then the race is OK, some days every race is good, some days only a few.

[lomaca]

Hope you are right, I've been doing this for a few months now but not every day, and the results were quite good for the effort involved.
It simply comes down to the dogs moeee, not the track or distance.
If there are qualifying dogs then the race is OK, some days every race is good, some days only a few.PS Every dog in the race must qualify for my first criteria!!

[moeee]

It simply comes down to the dogs moeee
If there are qualifying dogs then the race is OK, some days every race is good, some days only a few.

Not that it matters to me , but I'm curious now.

How is it that SALE Race 8 finds 3 dogs that qualify , yet Sandown Park didn't find a single qualifier for the entire meeting?

It's just that who would have thought an entire Meeting can't find a single runner , yet 3 animals roll up in just a single event at SALE - I mean , what are the odds?

I guess it must just be a nuance of your method.
Good Luck with it anyway.

My method involves the number of races on tape involving the runners I have in my database.
The More runners , and the More times they appear is what makes a Race rateable for me.
The less runners I have video of , the less likely I bother with handicapping that race.
Thats why I don't do Maidens and Tier 3 races.
These animals very rarely figure in the tapes I have.


EDIT: Just read your latest post after I submitted this.
And that pretty much answers my post question :)

[lomaca]

Not that it matters to me , but I'm curious now.

How is it that SALE Race 8 finds 3 dogs that qualify , yet Sandown Park didn't find a single qualifier for the entire meeting?

It's just that who would have thought an entire Meeting can't find a single runner , yet 3 animals roll up in just a single event at SALE - I mean , what are the odds?

I guess it must just be a nuance of your method.
Good Luck with it anyway.

My method involves the number of races on tape involving the runners I have in my database.
The More runners , and the More times they appear is what makes a Race rateable for me.
The less runners I have video of , the less likely I bother with handicapping that race.
Thats why I don't do Maidens and Tier 3 races.
These animals very rarely figure in the tapes I have.


EDIT: Just read your latest post after I submitted this.
And that pretty much answers my post question :)
Actually Sandown is one of the tracks I could not find any profit at all so I eliminated.

Looks like my luck has turned, Manuaku race 3 Agent Victor returned $19.50 and $3.00 had 5*20 riding on it.
This will do me for the day.
Incidentally my avg div is about $5 so not many shorties come in.

[woof43]

Actually Sandown is one of the tracks I could not find any profit at all so I eliminated.

You wouldn't be alone
Sandown Park is most probably the most disliked track (TAB) in greyhound racing for serious wagerers, the interference at the 1st turn is off the scale.

[lomaca]

You wouldn't be alone
Sandown Park is most probably the most disliked track (TAB) in greyhound racing for serious wagerers, the interference at the 1st turn is off the scale.Thanks for clearing it up woof43,
I didn't know the reason and don't want to go on harping about keeping good records but if you do, it will show you where the profit is even if it doesn't tell you why.

Cheers

[moeee]

Sandown Park , the interference at the 1st turn is off the scale.
So wouldn't that show up as a bias in the Box Winning statistics?
Interference is a constant in greyhound Racing.
Some tracks it is worse , some distances it is worse.
But it should show up in Bos Statistics to the efect that something will be revealed at Sandown.
Surely not every single Box has increased interference equally at Sandown?

[woof43]

So wouldn't that show up as a bias in the Box Winning statistics?

That is one stat I don't bother keeping, it is in my data but how you translate it into something is another matter.
You can keep a stat on the average winning odds of all winners to find the win efficiency of the wagerers, give a pointer into the right direction, also tells you how many runners you need to be able to ditch to break even.

[lomaca]

Good luckJust got home and caught Mandurah race 3, I think the 4 and 5 should win or place.
If not sue me!

Albion p race 8 4 and 5

missed the 2 place divi problem again in my haste, ce la vie!

[lomaca]

Just got home and caught Mandurah race 3, I think the 4 and 5 should win or place.
If not sue me!

Albion p race 8 4 and 5

missed the 2 place divi problem again in my haste, ce la vie!What am I talking about?
the 4 placed and payed $2.7 covering for both.
Haste makes waste!
and AP both placed
Ps
Hobart race 6 maybe No 4 but this time definitely 2 places only
Now there is an odd one
Mandurah race 5 No 8?

[lomaca]

Mandurah race 5 No 8?too many to chose from race 7 at Dapto but I lean towards No 2.
Others 3,5,7

Angle P race 8 no way to pick one.
Maybe 9 from 5????

[lomaca]

too many to chose from race 7 at Dapto but I lean towards No 2.
Others 3,5,7

Angle P race 8 no way to pick one.
Maybe 9 from 5????Sandown is a no bet for me but here it goes anyway
race 8 3,4,6

[lomaca]

Sandown is a no bet for me but here it goes anyway
race 8 3,4,6Well the 6 won so what, only proves again "Ignore odds on favs!" and you sleep better.

not a lot to chose from race 8 at Dapto maybe 5 from the 8?
But if I were betting I'd go for #4

Angle P race 9 definitely no bet any dog can win No 8 is my pick

[lomaca]

Well the 6 won so what, only proves again "Ignore odds on favs!" and you sleep better.

not a lot to chose from race 8 at Dapto maybe 5 from the 8?
But if I were betting I'd go for #4

Angle P race 9 definitely no bet any dog can win No 8 is my pickOh well, should have stuck to my first two selections at Dapto but being a greedy sod I went for the long shot #4 ??? long shot you say???
It really confuses me, this greyhound racing it does, can't for the life of me predict the jump price and missing out on very good win and place divies.

2 more races I can find a selection in, Hobart race 10 #2 and Mandurah race 11 #3

[lomaca]

Oh well, should have stuck to my first two selections at Dapto but being a greedy sod I went for the long shot #4 ??? long shot you say???
It really confuses me, this greyhound racing it does, can't for the life of me predict the jump price and missing out on very good win and place divies.

2 more races I can find a selection in, Hobart race 10 #2 and Mandurah race 11 #3San race 9 the 6 might be a good one for the place

You choose you lose!!!!
22:12 9 Sandown 6 DAINTREE ROC
22:12 9 Sandown 4 DYNA DIGGER
22:12 9 Sandown 5 KHUMBU
22:12 9 Sandown 1 PAUA OF DARK

[lomaca]

San race 9 the 6 might be a good one for the place

You choose you lose!!!!
22:12 9 Sandown 6 DAINTREE ROC
22:12 9 Sandown 4 DYNA DIGGER
22:12 9 Sandown 5 KHUMBU
22:12 9 Sandown 1 PAUA OF DARKjust as well I don't bet at Sandown, would be fuming!

[lomaca]

just as well I don't bet at Sandown, would be fuming!if you can pick race 10 the you are the best I'd go for 6 and 8
same goes for Dapto race 10 5,6,4,7 for mine

[lomaca]

if you can pick race 10 the you are the best I'd go for 6 and 8
same goes for Dapto race 10 5,6,4,7 for mineNo way to pick AP race 11 maybe 8? or 6?

Hobart race 10 2,1,4,8

San race 11 5,1,4,6

[lomaca]

No way to pick AP race 11 maybe 8? or 6?

Hobart race 10 2,1,4,8

San race 11 5,1,4,6Angle P race 12 5,6,3,2
Mandurah race 10 8,3,6

[lomaca]

Angle P race 12 5,6,3,2
Mandurah race 10 8,3,6Win or lose, as the bunny said, "that's all folks".
I see no point to post any more selections.
Good luck