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xanadu
6th April 2003, 10:29 AM
I addressed this issue in a previous post and so did Neil in a more recent article-so did Ken Callandar in a recent Daily Telegraph article. I was previously non-committal but now I am emphatic that it is definitely bad for we punters!
Particularly after yesterday's debacle in Race1 when the Waterhouse representative won the race(and qualified for the Slipper by the way) while it's stable-mate, How Funny(already qualified), was ridden upside-down and finished unplaced. I have studied the video and it was obvious the monkey, sorry!....jockey, showed no vigour at all. Stewards queried Waterhouse but was she treated with kid gloves and had no case to answer. Is it a case that the two main Sydney trainers have become bigger then the sport itself and operate with impunity?
It is becoming so bad in Sydney that I am seriously considering concentrating most, if not all of my betting activity principally to Melbourne and other interstate venues. Particularly Victorian racing where no stable dominates and it's provincial racing is so strong. Also, the markets in most races are very open and favs are regularly 4/1 or more.
I's no good trying to guess what the mega stables are up to in Sydney especially when they have multiple runners in any race(eg SR8 won by Hawkes outsider, Helsinborg at $21.00 while $2.70 fav Salgado ran fourth, again, with the jockey showing little vigour over the closing stages.
I am not talking through my pocket and it is not whinging but all I ask and expect is that the horse that carries my wager should be given every chance to win or at least run a place.
I welcome comments, especially from angel416 and Neil-what do think fellas?
Waiting for your constructive comments.

Cheers.

xanadu
6th April 2003, 10:39 AM
Along the same theme, Waterhouse sought special consideration from the stewards to invoke a clause to allow Untouchable to start in the Slipper. A little surprisingly, permission was refused but it shows her perception that she is bigger than racing and should be treated differently from all other racing participants.
"Untouchable," the horse is certainly well named, coming from her stable.

6th April 2003, 11:54 AM
Xanadu,good to hear from you mate.In a way I agree with you,and yet in another way I don't!Does that make any sense?Let me explain.I agree that it is not healthy for racing in general for one or two leading stables to have a monoply and to dominate the scene the way that these two do in Sydney.This topic is not a new one,believe it or not.I recall many years ago when the late(and great)Tommy Smith was dominating the Sydney scene,there was a push to have his multiple runners in each race bracketed on the tote,as one of his unfancied runners would invariably get up and roll the favourite!As for why I don't agree,I think that because of the way the Hawkes and Waterhouse horses dominate the betting markets,there is an opening for an astute punter(like yourself!)to obtain value about your selections away from there runners.As I stated in a previous post,if you "dutch"all there runners away from the fav.you would be well in front.I would tend to agree with you that Melbourne is a much more viable alternative.I hardly bet in Sydney at all these days.Yesterday was an exception,as I was really keen on Airlie Bird,and had a good win.A really good win.Got the tri@ 2units,and the quinella @ 10 units!Hope that at least some forum users took the tip,as I did post it.
Cheers mate,talk to you soon,angel

xanadu
6th April 2003, 12:08 PM
Howdy angel,

Good to speak to you. In relation to my comments, I will not be "sacking" Sydney racing as I will always be on the look-out for that elusive "value bet."
However, if I have only a certain amount of time to devote to form study, I think that in future, I will commence my analysis at Melbourne and other states first. This way I am not "cutting off my nose to smite my face" as they say.....

Speak to you soon.

Cheers.

Mark
7th April 2003, 07:13 AM
Some of us like to see favourites get beaten.

xanadu
7th April 2003, 10:31 AM
Granted Mark, but I don't think it is good for racing (and we punters) to see these activities occuring with such regularity. Did you see the jockey and trainer contradicted each other when giving their version of events........Mmmmmm......makes you wonder!

Cheers.