I can see why posters move on .....

[Barny]

I've got nothing left to contribute really, only regurgitating what I've already said. I wonder how many of our past good posters (not putting myself in that category) just simply ran out of ideas and left ??

[Vortech]

Too many unrealistic comments and statements being made when at the end they don't help anybody.

Not being harsh - but you have stated that you have 6 rules to increase any system POT and are using filters not that common. These statements may well be correct - but how do they help anyone apart from telling them what they already know.

I can understand why users want to keep success to themselves but a shuffle in the right direction can't be too much to ask.

I've been working hard to throw ideas in the air - and I use ratings to pick up little profit here and there - but in the end of the day its getting boring.
I would rather go down to the pub for a drink with mates and have a slash at a quad (try pick up a big win) and treat it now like entertainment rather than an investment.

[jose]

A morbid fascination for the site will bring you back Benny, just like the rest of us, whether that is with a new NIC or otherwise.

[beton]

Negativity
bitchiness
not sharing
contributing but not getting anything in return
Rudeness
Bluntness
et al
etc.
What more can I say

This like all forums should be a place where like minded people can share and or discuss the subject of the forum. It should not be a place where you get set upon just by posting your discussion point

[Vortech]

Negativity
bitchiness
not sharing
contributing but not getting anything in return
Rudeness
Bluntness
et al
etc.
What more can I say
On the money!

[Barny]

I can understand why users want to keep success to themselves but a shuffle in the right direction can't be too much to ask.
I have previously pointed anyone who cared to listen in the right direction. I'll repeat ..... research posters jacfin, sportznut, sarge1, and chrome prince. If you dedicate the same amount of time as I did when I looked at all the posts here ..... you'll notice I've narrowed the list of 100's down to a few for you, then you'll surely find my six filters, BUT you may even find something more valuable.

Go and start researching and reading and stop expecting me to give you what's taken me a good year or so of research to put something half decent together.

Good luck with that ..... it called "Persistence"

[Vortech]

Barny to be honest - I'm not really interested in the end what your filters are. I've done my research with the help of garyf and other posts from wesmip1 etc.... and I'm making a small profit.

[Barny]

That's good Vortech.

[bernie]

..... research posters jacfin, sportznut, sarge1, and chrome prince. ..... you'll notice I've narrowed the list of 100's down to a few for you,Not often I agree with you Barny but this time I do. There are very few that offer anything worthwhile.

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[AngryPixie]

It's pretty much like the rest of life I guess. We're always drifting in and out of relationships. Sometimes an absense makes you appreciate what you had.

I'd have to agree to some extent that there's very little new stuff been going on here for a long time. Maybe there's been too much old stuff going on as well. Some try harder than others though.

[bernie]

I'd have to agree to some extent that there's very little new stuff been going on here for a long time. Maybe there's been too much old stuff going on as well.AngryPixie, From my research there is far more valuable information in the old posts than what is presented today.

I'm looking at a system posted many moons ago which gave me the idea I'm working on today. So far nearly 700 bets over the past four months and still procucing the goods. 24% POT.
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[darkydog2002]

I,ve just about moved on myself sad to say.
There,s far more interesting things in life than to be continually be abused for giving out quality information.
It just gets totally boring in the end.
However when 1 or 2 leave there usually replaced by 1 or 2 others.

How much more can one say thats hasn,t already been said in what really is a simple equation.

And how many more "systems" does one need or can improve upon than those posted in my system thread.

Cheers
darky

[AngryPixie]

You're right Darky it really is quite simple. The problem is the generations of myths and misdirections that are accepted as gospel. Its that baggage that defeats most.

I like what I'm reading in the Intellegensia thread though.

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[darkydog2002]

Well said Moderator 3.

[The Ocho]

I think the fact that the "Systems" forum is an OPEN forum is the biggest problem. From what people have said on here, someone will pinch anything of value that has been said on here and then try and flog it off as their own.

Why would anyone want to REALLY share any system that's even remotely profitable in fear that anyone can just happen along and look at it, sell it or put it to work for them with VALUE then depreciating from the said selections.

I don't know what the answer is at all but I DO think that is part of the problem of why there is a lack of new stuff being shared.

[bernie]

I wonder how many of our past good posters (not putting myself in that category) just simply ran out of ideas and left ??The old soldiers have probably gone to greener pastures leaving a new crop to carry on.

[darkydog2002]

I agree Bernie .
Everything that one needs to win at racing has already been put up on the forum over the years so we can expect a rehash of whats already been posted.
Doesnt really give me much hope for any further mental stimulation and my furthering interests are now concerned with studying other languages.

Perhaps the next "break through" will be the studying of the horses and jockeys "Biorythyms" ala the 1970,s

Cheers
darky

[bernie]

Everything that one needs to win at racing has already been put up on the forum over the years so we can expect a rehash of whats already been posted.
Totally agree Darky.

[UselessBettor]

The old soldiers have probably gone to greener pastures leaving a new crop to carry on.
Personally in my opinion here is why a lot of the old posters have moved on.

While your searching for your system or way to make money its all really exciting and new. Your trying new things and learning lots of stuff. Then one or two things click and you start making a profit. Eventually you get your whole system/technique automated and the excitement starts to dwindle. You no longer need to search and learn (you can but the drive usually isn't there anymore). You stop searching for new systems because the one(s) you have works and works well. Eventually its just numbers and a side income and is treated as such or is treated as a side job. There is no longer any excitement as its fairly boring when your winning consistenly. I'm not saying winning isn't great, becasue the money is great, but the passion isn't there anymore as its no longer a challenge. You then move onto other excitments in life which you can spend your winnings on (women, booze, jet skis, holidays, etc).

At least this is how I feel the progression goes.

I am currently at the stage where winning isn't quite boring but I no longer feel there is a challenge as I have been in profit for several months now and continuously growing my bank. Im slowly building up the bank and making more and more each month. But I don't watch the races. I come home, check the account balance, and go do other stuff. I just come in here to see how everyone else is going and if any exciting new ideas are coming up.

My current passion has turned to Neural networks (not the racing and sports neurals) using support vector machines vs feed forward/backpropergation networks. This is an interesting area whch I know has been explored thouroughly elsewhere but I am finding it interesting in how the machines can out tip the experts consistently in the research papers.

[Raven]

I could never not watch the races, unfathomable.

System betting in general is kinda boring on a day to day basis I find, but necessary. Im personally going through a protracted losing streak with my system which isn't much fun, the YTD profit margin is the only thing keeping me going.

I remember a few years back now when the system forum was a bit of a ghost town and the Racing forum was the place of most interest, somewhere along the line that all changed.

[Chrome Prince]

It is what you make of it I think.

Certainly negativity is going to put off contributors and potential new blood.
It is a journey, I have learnt so much over the years from contributors, it's fantastic. I feel so privileged to have an avenue to banter with other punters, in the pre internet days, you were pretty much on your own.
It probably saved me ten years of going down the wrong path.

In the beginning I was like the opening of 2001 space odyssey, no internet, on the floor of my bedroom with The Sportsman, a pencil and an exercise book.
These days, if I get something wrong, my computer says "What are you doing to me Dave" :D

Seriously, I don't contribute as much as I used to, because I have found an edge which is completely different to a system, but if I shared it, it would certainly disappear completely, because there isn't enough liquidity.
That's not to say I don't share other ideas though.

[Vortech]

Personally in my opinion here is why a lot of the old posters have moved on.

While your searching for your system or way to make money its all really exciting and new. Your trying new things and learning lots of stuff. Then one or two things click and you start making a profit. Eventually you get your whole system/technique automated and the excitement starts to dwindle. You no longer need to search and learn (you can but the drive usually isn't there anymore). You stop searching for new systems because the one(s) you have works and works well. Eventually its just numbers and a side income and is treated as such or is treated as a side job. There is no longer any excitement as its fairly boring when your winning consistenly. I'm not saying winning isn't great, becasue the money is great, but the passion isn't there anymore as its no longer a challenge. You then move onto other excitments in life which you can spend your winnings on (women, booze, jet skis, holidays, etc).

At least this is how I feel the progression goes.

I am currently at the stage where winning isn't quite boring but I no longer feel there is a challenge as I have been in profit for several months now and continuously growing my bank. Im slowly building up the bank and making more and more each month. But I don't watch the races. I come home, check the account balance, and go do other stuff. I just come in here to see how everyone else is going and if any exciting new ideas are coming up.

My current passion has turned to Neural networks (not the racing and sports neurals) using support vector machines vs feed forward/backpropergation networks. This is an interesting area whch I know has been explored thouroughly elsewhere but I am finding it interesting in how the machines can out tip the experts consistently in the research papers.
This is on the money. Do you think this is why Don Scott may have invested into Trifecta betting.

My dad said to me on the phone - very experienced punter that shares me nothing :( if you want more excitment invest in different pools.

Keep the win/place bets flowing and maybe invest in the harness racing or dogs or maybe into Exactas etc...

[AngryPixie]

While your searching for your system or way to make money its all really exciting and new. Your trying new things and learning lots of stuff. Then one or two things click and you start making a profit. Eventually you get your whole system/technique automated and the excitement starts to dwindle. You no longer need to search and learn (you can but the drive usually isn't there anymore). You stop searching for new systems because the one(s) you have works and works well. Eventually its just numbers and a side income and is treated as such or is treated as a side job. There is no longer any excitement as its fairly boring when your winning consistenly.
UB yes I think that's exactly it.

Why would anyone want to REALLY share any system that's even remotely profitable in fear that anyone can just happen along and look at it, sell it or put it to work for them with VALUE then depreciating from the said selections.
That's exactly it too. Much better to give the tools to build on in my view.

[garyf]

While your searching for your system or way to make money its all really exciting and new. Your trying new things and learning lots of stuff. Then one or two things click and you start making a profit. Eventually you get your whole system/technique automated and the excitement starts to dwindle. You no longer need to search and learn (you can but the drive usually isn't there anymore). You stop searching for new systems because the one(s) you have works and works well. Eventually its just numbers and a side income and is treated as such or is treated as a side job. There is no longer any excitement as its fairly boring when your winning consistenly. I'm not saying winning isn't great, becasue the money is great, but the passion isn't there anymore as its no longer a challenge.

The above was from U.B.

I fully concur in fact that is exactly what has happened to me,
3 others on this site will confirm.

What i am doing now with these 3 is to look at what i am doing,
Now to be turned into something mechanical without,
The downloading of ratings, the form, the videos etc.

This has given me a new lease of life so to speak.

Cheers.
Garyf.

[darkydog2002]

In one of my earlier posts to Bernie I mentioned the PL principle and he was one of the more smarter ones to appreciate this factor and for that my hats off to him.
I also mentioned it to one of the more Professional punters .He didnt disagree .
Mind you the "holy grail"will be sought after by all for many many years and will keep the industry going long after I,m gone.
Cheers
darky

[Puntz]

I move on or stay quiet these days, cos if I post a question, usually programming ideas or specific code questions, what I think happens is the question may be the answer to some who knows the answer, but keeps it
"hidden"...therefore no one really "gets it" in the long run.

The consequences are then, less average punters don't get to place a bet in harmoney with the geeks, and therefore geeks shooting themselves in the foot cos the win pool could have been more ! Win or Loss bet is not the point here, just get the bet on.

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In Principle...,
So lets say I have a question on code, vba, and that question or suggestion is a "good idea" to one who may have the solution to that specific piece of code, but does not post a reply, and actually gets it him/her self, and it's a 100 unit bet, one person...
But if the solution was posted and 20 other punters trying to code work on thier own projects, and send a bet, each 100 units, thats then equates to 20 multiplied by 100 units is 2000 units extra in a winpool, and not 100

out of those 20 punters, let's say 5 win on the same race,
do the math...

[jose]

"What are you doing to me Dave"


CP, is that from RED DWARF?????
Very funny stuff that.

[AngryPixie]

Jose

There was sci fi before Red Dwarf :D

I went to see that film with my mother in the late 60's I guess. Pretty sure Bonnie and Clyde was on next door and mum thought 2001 would be less violent. :)

[AngryPixie]

AngryPixie, From my research there is far more valuable information in the old posts than what is presented today.

I'm looking at a system posted many moons ago which gave me the idea I'm working on today. So far nearly 700 bets over the past four months and still procucing the goods. 24% POT.
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You're not wrong Bernie. It's all here for the looking.

[Lord Greystoke]

Jose

There was sci fi before Red Dwarf :D

I went to see that film with my mother in the late 60's I guess.

Funny you say that Pixie - Also went to that film in '68 with my big brother. Still remember mentioning the irony of 'Intermission' to him in the mid movie break.. not bad given I was born less than 5 years earlier ? Still one of my all time favorites.

Open the pod bay doors, HAL !

LG