Daily Doubles using the Neurals

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I have been looking at using the Neurals for Daily Doubles in A,B,M & S over the past 5 Saturdays. Although results have not been overwhelming they are showing a small profit of 8.7% thanks mainly to the Sydney DD yesterday paying $66.60 on the Vic TAB (which I use for recording the dividends). Currently, Melb (-$99.20) & Bris (-$78.00) are losing whereas Syd (+$174.00) & Adel (+$45.90) are in the black. All States have had collects.

Basis of selection is using the top 3 in the Neurals in each leg where all preference scales are set on 3 except WET which is 0 for Good, 1 for Dead, 2 for Slow and 3 for Heavy.

To calculate the units on each double the Neural odds of each horse are multiplied together and divided into 50 (I have used $50 as the amount I wanted to collect) and rounded up to give a whole number.

E.g. $4 x $6 = $24
Divided into $50 = $2.08
Rounded up = $3 unit on this double

I have picked out the 4 meetings in VIC and NSW today to see how this approach would work.

SEYMOUR (Dead) - Outlay $22
15&6 - $4........15&2 - $3.......15&11 - $3
2&6 - $2..........2&2 - $2.........2&11 - $2
4&6 - $2..........4&2 - $2.........4&11 - $2

CASTERTON (Slow) - Outlay $28
3&3 - $5..........3&2 - $4..........3&6 - $3
2&3 - $4..........2&2 - $3..........2&6 - $2
6&3 - $3..........6&2 - $2..........6&6 - $2

DUBBO (Good) - Outlay $25
4&3 - $4..........4&4 - $4..........4&2 - $3
1&3 - $3..........1&4 - $3..........1&2 - $2
2&3 - $2..........2&4 - $2..........2&2 - $2

GUNDAGAI (Good) - Outlay $23
5&4 - $3..........5&2 - $3..........5&6 - $2
9&4 - $3..........9&2 - $3..........9&6 - $2
6&4 - $3..........6&2 - $2..........6&6 - $2

Total Outlay for today is $98

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Today was a successful day with both Seymour ($77.90) and Dubbo ($9.10) saluting

With our multiple units on each double the final results were:-

Seymour
Outlay $22
Collect 2 x $77.90 = $155.80
Profit $133.80

Casterton
Outlay $28
Collect $nil
Loss $28

Dubbo
Outlay $25
Collect 4 x $9.10 = $36.40
Profit $11.40

Gundagai
Outlay $23
Collect $nil
Loss $23

OVERALL
Outlay $98
Collect $192.20
Profit $94.20

I also had a look at my results for the past 5 Saturdays and I noticed that not betting on Slow or Heavy tracks would eliminate 3 losing meetings and would have increased the POT% to 32.6%.

It would have also eliminated today's Casterton meeting which failed to get either leg of the double and would have saved an outlay of $28.

Results are based on very few meetings so more testing needs to be collected.

[garyf]

Without any shadow of a doubt if i turned to exotic betting,
Daily Doubles is by far my preferred and only option.

I am a multiple win bettor have been for years i firmly,
Believe if your multiple win betting is profitable,
Then will your exotics be as well.

Quadrellas i couldn't cope with the long run of outs,
That's me personally, while doubles offer smaller returns,
They are easier to get that's what i would concentrate on,
If i ever went into that form of betting.

Good luck with it T.T.A.
Will be watching how it goes,
Guess it's up to the neurals now.

Cheers.
Garyf.

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Thanks Garyf.

Todays Daily Doubles are:-

BAIRNSDALE (Dead) - Outlay $24
7&10 - $4..........7&4 - $3..........7&1 - $3
8&10 - $3..........8&4 - $3..........8&1 - $2
5&10 - $2..........5&4 - $2..........5&1 - $2

MUSWELLBROOK (Dead) - Outlay $27
2&5 - $4............2&3 - $3..........2&1 - $3
1&5 - $4............1&3 - $3..........1&1 - $3
5&5 - $3............5&3 - $2..........5&1 - $2

NOWRA (Dead) - Outlay $25
4&1 - $5............4&4 - $4..........4&11 - $4
6&1 - $2............6&4 - $2..........6&11 - $2
5&1 - $2............5&4 - $2..........5&11 - $2

Total Outlay for today is $76

[Try Try Again]

No luck today. As we are only considering meetings on Dead or Good tracks.

Total Outlay $147
Total Collect $192.20
Total Profit $55.20

Maybe we will have better luck tomorrow.

[Lord Greystoke]

I think you might be onto something valuable here T2,
albeit some dull results here n there...

Please persevere?

LG

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Before we give today's Daily Doubles I need to correct where we stand as my maths were all up the creek!

Total Outlay $146
Total Collect $192.20
Total Profit $46.20

KILMORE (Dead) - Outlay $27
7&8 - $6...........7&2 - $3............7&3 - $3
5&8 - $4...........5&2 - $2............5&3 - $2
1&8 - $3...........1&2 - $2............1&3 - $2

TAREE (Dead) - Outlay $27
6&1 - $4...........6&5 - $3............6&8 - $3
4&1 - $4...........4&5 - $3............4&8 - $2
3&1 - $4...........3&5 - $2............3&8 - $2

Total Outlay for today is $54

[Vortech]

Sorry TTA - What race numbers are the daily doubles.
They might be different to what is available on Unitab up here in QLD

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Hi Vortech,

In Victab the DD are usually 3rd last and last race of the day e.g. races 6&8

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Again no luck today with both meetings in Vic and NSW getting the first leg in but not even close in the 2nd leg in either venue. Always tomorrow!

Total Outlay $200.00
Total Collect $192.20
Total Loss $7.80

Oh what a fool I have been!

I just checked the only other meeting being run today - Townsville and the DD was selected with both 2nd picks. The DD paid $208.80 and we would have had $2 on it! A total outlay of $23 would have netted $417.60!

Looks like I need to expand the DD to all meetings in SA,Vic, NSW & Qld.

[Lord Greystoke]

Genius often begins with 'foolishness'

LG

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From today I will list meetings from SA, VIC, NSW & QLD for Dead and Good tracks only. Saturday meetings will only be the Main Metropolitan meeting in each of these States.

NEWCASTLE (Good) - Outlay $30
3&5 - $6........3&2 - $5........3&7 - $4
2&5 - $3........2&2 - $3........2&7 - $2
1&5 - $3........1&2 - $2........1&7 - $2

MORPHETTVILLE PARKS (Good) - Outlay $25
2&1 - $4........2&2 - $3.........2&9 - $3
1&1 - $3........1&2 - $3.........1&9 - $2
7&1 - $3........7&2 - $2.........7&9 - $2

DOOMBEN (Good) - Outlay $22
4&12 - $3.......4&2 - $3........4&8 - $2
5&12 - $3.......5&2 - $2........5&8 - $2
3&12 - $3.......3&2 - $2........3&8 - $2

Total Outlay for today is $77

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Success today with both Newcastle and Morphettville Parks saluting. We had a 1st and 2nd in the legs at Doomben.

Newcastle
Outlay $30
Collect 6 x $6.20 = $37.20
Profit $7.20

Morphettville Parks
Outlay $25
Collect 2 x $73.20 = $146.40
Profit $121.20

Doomben
Outlay $22
Collect $nil
Loss $22

Today's totals
Outlay $77
Collect $183.60
Profit $106.60

OVERALL
Outlay $277
Collect $375.80
Profit $98.80
POT 35.7%

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In my haste I used the wrong multiplier for Newcastle - should have been 5 and not 6, so results should be

Newcastle
Outlay $30
Collect 5 x $6.20 = $31.00
Profit $1.00

Morphettville Parks
Outlay $25
Collect 2 x $73.20 = $146.40
Profit $121.20

Doomben
Outlay $22
Collect $nil
Loss $22

Today's totals
Outlay $77
Collect $177.4
Profit $100.40

OVERALL
Outlay $277
Collect $369.60
Profit $92.60
POT 33.4%

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Today's Daily Doubles are:-

BENDIGO (Dead) - Outlay $20
12&1 - $3..........12&7 - $2...........12&13 - $2
6&1 - $3.............6&7 - $2.............6&13 - $2
4&1 - $2.............4&7 - $2.............6&13 - $2

NEWCASTLE (Good)- Outlay $24
1&2 - $4.............1&3 - $4.............1&1 - $3
4&2 - $3.............4&3 - $2.............4&1 - $2
2&2 - $2.............2&3 - $2.............2&1 - $2

PORT LINCOLN (Good) - Outlay $28
1&10 - $6...........1&2 - $5.............1&8 - $4
6&10 - $3...........6&2 - $2.............6&8 - $2
4&10 - $2...........4&2 - $2.............4&8 - $2

ROCKHAMPTON (Good) - Outlay $33
4&11 - $6...........4&5 - $5.............4&8 - $4
2&11 - $4...........2&5 - $4.............2&8 - $3
3&11 - $3...........3&5 - $2.............3&8 - $2

Total Outlay for Today is $105

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Only one successful DD today at Port Lincoln.

Bendigo
Outlay $20
Collect $nil
Loss $20

Newcastle
Outlay $24
Collect $nil
Loss $24

Port Lincoln
Outlay $28
Collect 2 x $23.10 = $46.20
Profit $18.20

Rockhampton
Outlay $33
Collect $nil
Loss $33

Today's Totals
Outlay $105
Collect $46.20
Loss $58.80

OVERALL
Outlay $382
Collect $415.80
Profit $33.80
POT 8.8%

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Selections for Today's Daily Doubles are:-

GRAFTON (Dead) - Outlay $22
1&4 - $4.......1&1 - $3.........1&6 - $3
8&4 - $3.......8&1 - $2.........8&6 - $2
3&4 - $2.......3&1 - $2.........3&6 - $1

ORANGE (Good) - Outlay $29
2&6 - $6.......2&5 - $5........2&4 - $3
10&6 - $3....10&5 - $3......10&4 - $2
11&6 - $3....11&5 - $2......11&4 - $2

IPSWICH (Good) - Outlay $24
3&6 - $4.......3&4 - $4........3&1 - $3
7&6 - $3.......7&4 - $2........7&1 - $2
9&6 - $2.......9&4 - $2........9&1 - $2

Total Outlay for Today is $75

[Stix]

From my neural experience, stick to provincal and QLD Metro tracks...good luck.

[Try Try Again]

Thanks Stix,

I am only running this as an indication of what some one could do if they were looking at the Neurals.

So far Morphettville has shown a reasonable profit, admittedly over a small sample size.

I hope it helps some one.

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Successful with 2 out of 3 Daily Doubles today!

Grafton
Outlay $22
Collect $nil
Loss $22

Orange
Outlay $29
Collect 2 x $31.20 = $62.40
Profit $33.40

Ipswich
Outlay $24
Collect 4 x $21.70 = $86.80
Profit $62.80

Today's Totals
Outlay $75
Collect $149.20
Profit $74.20

OVERALL
Outlay $457
Collect $565
Profit $108
POT 23.6%

[Lord Greystoke]

Successful with 2 out of 3 Daily Doubles today!

Grafton
Outlay $22
Collect $nil
Loss $22

Orange
Outlay $29
Collect 2 x $31.20 = $62.40
Profit $33.40

Ipswich
Outlay $24
Collect 4 x $21.70 = $86.80
Profit $62.80

Today's Totals
Outlay $75
Collect $149.20
Profit $74.20

OVERALL
Outlay $457
Collect $565
Profit $108
POT 23.6%

Impressive T2, no need to keep trying mate - you made the grade, my son.

I have been observing on the sidelines and picked up on a cunning plan to whittle some of the selections down by one or two here n there, and still leave the winner in place. will keep you posted.

LG

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Thanks for the kind words LG. If you have been able to improve the plan then I'm pleased to be able to have helped.

As is it Saturday I'll on concentrate on the City meetings.

CAULFIELD (Dead) - Outlay $24
1&1 - $5........1&12 - $3.........1&8 - $2
14&1 - $4.....14&12 - $2.......14&8 - $2
3&1 - $3........3&12 - $2.........3&8 - $1

RANDWICK (Dead) - Outlay $29
2&4 - $6.........2&1 - $3..........2&5 - $3
3&4 - $5.........3&1 - $2..........3&5 - $2
5&4 - $4.........5&1 - $2..........5&5 - $2

DOOMBEN (Good) - Outlay $23
9&11 - $4........9&6 - $3..........9&5 - $3
8&11 - $3........8&6 - $2..........8&5 - $2
10&11 - $2.....10&6...$2..........10&5 -$2

MORPHETTVILLE (Good) - Outlay $23
10&5 - $4.......10&4 - $3........10&9 - $2
2&5 - $3..........2&4 - $2..........2&9 - $2
7&5 - $3..........7&4 - $2..........7&9 - $2

Total Outlay for Today is $99

[Try Try Again]

No Daily Doubles today.

OVERALL
Outlay $556
Collect $565
Profit $9

I hope some one has appreciated this. I will call it quits today.

Thanks

[Lord Greystoke]

Evening T2.

If you don't mind me saying.. given that the neurals blow hot n cold, it may have become somewhat mind sapping for you to have continued.

Having said that, your thinking around the staking plan is very interesting
e.g. how it throws up 2+ units/dividends
e.g. formula for calculating the stake

The other take away I got from your thread is in the logic of following a multiple bet that runs for 2 races only
i.e. it doesn't require running thru the valley of death into the last race on the card with one hand on the mouse, and the other strangling a terrified hamster!

Thanks for your efforts here mate.. look fwd to your next installment with anticipation.

Cheers LG

[Try Try Again]

Thanks LG.

The reward in the Daily Doubles when using the Neurals, is how it can throw up some strong dividends. In the past 8 days we have seen

15/9 Rosehill $66.60
16/9 Seymour $77.90
18/9 Townsville $208.80
19/9 Morphettville $73.20

The downside is getting so many one leg doubles and a 2nd in the other leg - plays on one's mind after a while!

Glad you were able to get something from my posts. Cheers!

[Lord Greystoke]

If you dont mind me asking... how do you come up with the staking formula?

LG

[Lord Greystoke]

ps last post..

Should have read, how did you come up with it as in why this one, as opposed to how to calculate it - given that you have already outlined this.

Cheers LG

[Try Try Again]

Hi LG,

In my first post

To calculate the units on each double the Neural odds of each horse are multiplied together and divided into 50 (I have used $50 as the amount I wanted to collect) and rounded up to give a whole number.

E.g. $4 x $6 = $24
Divided into $50 = $2.08
Rounded up = $3 unit on this double

I hope this explains it.

Regards

TTA