27 Oct – Cox Plate (G1) - 2040m

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Noms / weights

No. Horse Trainer Weight
1 Afsare (GB) Luca Cumani 59kg
2 Alcopop Jake Stephens 59kg
3 Americain (USA) Alain de Royer Dupre 59kg
4 Blackie (NZ) Peter G Moody 59kg
5 Class Is Class (Ire) Chris Waller 59kg
6 December Draw (Ire) Mark Kavanagh 59kg
7 Efficient (NZ) Robert Hickmott 59kg
8 Extra Zero David Hayes 59kg
9 Glass Harmonium (Ire) Michael Moroney 59kg
10 Glencadam Gold (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 59kg
11 Green Moon (Ire) Robert Hickmott 59kg
12 Happy Trails Paul Beshara 59kg
13 Heart Of Dreams Mick Price 59kg
14 Illo (Ger) Bart Cummings 59kg
15 Julienas (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 59kg
16 Lamasery David Vandyke 59kg
17 Linton John Sadler 59kg
18 Maluckyday (NZ) Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 59kg
19 Manighar (Fr) Peter G Moody 59kg
20 Mawingo (Ger) Anthony Freedman 59kg
21 Midas Touch (GB) Robert Hickmott 59kg
22 Moudre Ciaron Maher 59kg
23 Mourayan (Ire) Robert Hickmott 59kg
24 Mr Chard Dean Lawson 59kg
25 Mr O’ceirin (NZ) Ciaron Maher 59kg
26 Nextanix Kerry Parker 59kg
27 Niwot Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 59kg
28 Rangirangdoo (NZ) Chris Waller 59kg
29 Rekindled Interest Jim Conlan 59kg
30 Sanagas (Ger) Bart Cummings 59kg
31 Seville (Ger) Robert Hickmott 59kg
32 Shahwardi (Fr) Alain de Royer Dupre 59kg
33 Shoot Out Chris Waller 59kg
34 Sincero Stephen Farley 59kg
35 Sneak A Peek (Ity) Peter G Moody 59kg
36 Solzhenitsyn (NZ) Robert Heathcote 59kg
37 Tagus John P Thompson 59kg
38 Tokugawa Leon Corstens 59kg
39 Tullamore (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 59kg
40 Unusual Suspect (USA) Michael Kent 59kg
41 Waterford Hill Leon Corstens 59kg
42 Winchester (USA) John Sadler 59kg
43 Ethiopia Pat Carey 57.5kg
44 Moment Of Change Peter G Moody 57.5kg
45 Ocean Park (NZ) Gary Hennessy 57.5kg
46 Polish Knight (NZ) Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 57.5kg
47 Shanghai Warrior Pat Hyland 57.5kg
48 Strawberry Boy Gai Waterhouse 57.5kg
49 Val Champ (Arg) Anthony Freedman 57.5kg
50 Wild And Proud Gai Waterhouse 57.5kg
51 More Joyous (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 57kg
52 Secret Admirer Grahame Begg 57kg
53 Southern Speed Leon Macdonald & Andrew Gluyas 57kg
54 Yosei Stuart Webb 57kg
55 Aliyana Tilde Kerry Parker 55.5kg
56 Mosheen Robert Smerdon 55.5kg
57 All Too Hard Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 49.5kg
58 Epaulette Peter Snowden 49.5kg
59 It’s A Dundeel (NZ) Murray Baker 49.5kg
60 Kabayan Gai Waterhouse 49.5kg
61 Ninth Legion Anthony Cummings 49.5kg
62 Pierro Gai Waterhouse 49.5kg
63 Proisir Gai Waterhouse 49.5kg
64 Shamexpress (NZ) Danny O’Brien 49.5kg
65 Underestimation Dean Lawson 49.5kg
66 Affable John P Thompson 47.5kg
67 Commanding Jewel Leon Corstens 47.5kg
68 Nechita John P Thompson 47.5kg

[jimbob]

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No. Horse Trainer Weight
1 Afsare (GB) Luca Cumani 59kg
2 Americain (USA) Alain de Royer Dupre 59kg
3 Glass Harmonium (Ire) Michael Moroney 59kg
4 Glencadam Gold (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 59kg
5 Green Moon (Ire) Robert Hickmott 59kg
6 Happy Trails Paul Beshara 59kg
7 Linton John Sadler 59kg
8 Manighar (Fr) Peter G Moody 59kg
9 Midas Touch (GB) Robert Hickmott 59kg
10 Mourayan (Ire) Robert Hickmott 59kg
11 Rangirangdoo (NZ) Chris Waller 59kg
12 Rekindled Interest Jim Conlan 59kg
13 Seville (Ger) Robert Hickmott 59kg
14 Shahwardi (Fr) Alain de Royer Dupre 59kg
15 Shoot Out Chris Waller 59kg
16 Sincero Stephen Farley 59kg
17 Ethiopia Pat Carey 57.5kg
18 Ocean Park (NZ) Gary Hennessy 57.5kg
19 More Joyous (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 57kg
20 Southern Speed Leon Macdonald & Andrew Gluyas 57kg
21 All Too Hard Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 49.5kg
22 Epaulette Peter Snowden 49.5kg
23 Pierro Gai Waterhouse 49.5kg
24 Proisir Gai Waterhouse 49.5kg

[Kanga]

8. Manighar and 13. Seville gone for the Spring
1. Swelling in off foreleg. Still aiming at Cox but day to day prop

[grizzle]

Starting to fall like 9-pins

[Sands]

8. Manighar and 13. Seville gone for the Spring
1. Swelling in off foreleg. Still aiming at Cox but day to day prop
Epaulette no longer in the market

[jimmyz]

Afsare is a no show.

[MyHatMyCoat]

The starting time for this race has been brought forward 20 minutes to suit Channel Nine's coverage. Nine doesn't want the race coverage to interfere with the airing of Getaway :rolleyes:

[Sands]

Horse Win Place
Pierro 4.00 1.72
Green Moon 5.00 1.96
Ocean Park 5.50 2.09
Proisir 9.50 3.06
More Joyous 10.00 3.18
All Too Hard 11.00 3.42
Rekindled Interest 18.00 5.12
Sincero 21.00 5.84
Southern Speed 26.00 7.06
Ethiopia 26.00 7.06
Shoot Out 31.00 8.27
Happy Trails 31.00 8.27
Glass Harmonium 41.00 10.69
Glencadam Gold 61.00 15.54
Rangirangdoo 61.00 15.54
Americain 61.00 15.54
Linton 81.00 20.39
Mourayan 101.00 25.24
Shahwardi 101.00 25.24
Midas Touch 201.00 49.48

[rhino82]

The starting time for this race has been brought forward 20 minutes to suit Channel Nine's coverage. Nine doesn't want the race coverage to interfere with the airing of Getaway :rolleyes:
On pretty late anyway

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No Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 Shoot Out Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 4 59kg
2 Sincero Stephen Farley Michael Rodd 12 59kg
3 Glass Harmonium (Ire) Michael Moroney James McDonald 2 59kg
4 Green Moon (Ire) Robert Hickmott Craig Williams 5 59kg
5 Rekindled Interest Jim Conlan Dwayne Dunn 1 59kg
6 Linton John Sadler Steven Arnold 14 59kg
7 Happy Trails Paul Beshara Kerrin McEvoy 8 59kg
8 Ethiopia Pat Carey Rhys McLeod 6 57.5kg
9 Ocean Park (NZ) Gary Hennessy Glen Boss 9 57.5kg
10 More Joyous (NZ) Gai Waterhouse Nash Rawiller 11 57kg
11 Southern Speed Leon Macdonald & Andrew Gluyas Luke Nolen 13 57kg
12 Pierro Gai Waterhouse Corey Brown 7 49.5kg
13 All Too Hard Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Chris Munce 3 49.5kg
14 Proisir Gai Waterhouse Craig Newitt 10 49.5kg

[Raw Instinct]

I haven't delved deep into form only going off what i have seen here I think Green Moon is the horse to beat he is tough as nails and a good solid tempo he will love. I amnot a big fan of the 3yo's personally their times have not been anything to brag about for as hard as the Gunieas was supposed to have been run they still couldn't crack 1.36 for the mile which is pretty ordinary.

Ocean Park is in great form I do question him a little if this turns into a real slog with speed on a slowly run race would really suit him. I could be going nuts but I think that Shoot Out is a blow out chance he won first up at the mile then was off the track with top weight all the way in the Epsom being as wide as 4 wide for most of the trip his run was much better than it looked on paper especially for the tempo that was on in that race.

My Top 5 right now would be

1. Green Moon
2. Shoot Out
3. Ocean Park
4. Rekindled Interest
5. Ethiopia

[darkydog2002]

Preliminary only but looks like

Ocean Park
Pierro
All Too Hard
Proisir

Cheers

[trifectaric]

mine are
9//ocean park
14// proisir
10// more joyous [ if not to wet ]
13// all to hard
12// pierro

cheers Rick

[JB1]

3yo's do look well in

[UselessBettor]

In order for Pick 8

Pierro
Proisir
Ocean Park
Green Moon
More Joyous
All Too HArd
Ethopia
Shoot Out


Not sure on the order of the top 4 but I am fairly certain More Joyous and All Too hard do not place in the top 4.

[Privateer]

I'm drawn into Proisir. I doubt Pierro and All Too Hard over the trip. Ocean Park, Green Moon, Shoot Out and Ethiopia for the trifecta.

Cheers

Privateer

[Sands]

All starting

[Sands]

3yo's do look well in
Certainly are
If can run a strong 2000m hard to beat

[rhino82]

3yo's do look well in
Yep 3YOs nicely weighted but are any mature enough to take this race out

[MyHatMyCoat]

The more I look at the race, the more confused I get. So, lets go for a bit of value, both totes. Proisir, Shoot Out & Sincero.

[UselessBettor]

Anyone else notice horses in wide barriers winning most of the races today at MV. I wonder if this bodes well or bad for Pierro and Prosior.

I don't think Gai thinks More Joyous can win this race. I don't even have it in the top 4 for this race.

[UselessBettor]

Based on the way races are runing today my new top 8 are :

Pierro
Proisir
Green Moon
Ocean Park
Shoot Out
More Joyous
All Too Hard
Ethopia

[grizzle]

I don't think Gai thinks More Joyous can win this race.
Gai chose an outside barrier for MJ to avoid any early scrimages. Wonder if she anticipated the outside bias.

[Raw Instinct]

The bias wil have little to do with the outcome of this race the speed it is run at will determine it forget everything else. if they walk the 3yo's and More Joyous's chances improve dramatically if they really turn the pressure on then I doubt any of those 4 will be seen in the finish I could be wrong though.

[UselessBettor]

The bias wil have little to do with the outcome of this race the speed it is run at will determine it forget everything else. if they walk the 3yo's and More Joyous's chances improve dramatically if they really turn the pressure on then I doubt any of those 4 will be seen in the finish I could be wrong though.
Whats your thoughts on the pace then ? Are they going to race hard up front?

[grizzle]

You would expect a truly run race, pace to burn when you analyse normal racing styles

[Sands]

Would love to know how the Gai Waterhouse trio will be ridden
If 'as per normal' they could worry each other out of contention

[UselessBettor]

I've been viewing the videos and I have to say I think its a race between 2 horses now.

Ocean Park and Green Moon.

My top 8 are now :

Green Moon
Ocean Park
Proisir
Pierro
Shoot Out
More Joyous
All Too Hard
Ethopia

[JB1]

9 Ocean Park
4 Green Moon
12 Pierro
13 All Too Hard
14 Proisir
5 Rekindled Interest

[Raw Instinct]

I think the pace will be solid aslong as Glass Harmonium jumps if he doesn't then it could be iffy

[Sands]

No. Horse Win Place
12 Pierro 5.00 1.96
4 Green Moon 5.00 1.96
9 Ocean Park 6.50 2.33
10 More Joyous 7.00 2.45
13 All Too Hard 9.00 2.93
14 Proisir 11.00 3.42
8 Ethiopia 17.00 4.87
1 Shoot Out 17.00 4.87
5 Rekindled Interest 23.00 6.33
2 Sincero 35.00 9.24
11 Southern Speed 35.00 9.24
7 Happy Trails 51.00 13.12
3 Glass Harmonium 81.00 20.39
6 Linton 101.00 25.24

[grizzle]

My top 8:

4 Green Moon 5.00 1.96
9 Ocean Park 6.50 2.33
10 More Joyous 7.00 2.45
8 Ethiopia 17.00 4.87
11 Southern Speed 35.00 9.24
2 Sincero 35.00 9.24
1 Shoot Out 17.00 4.87
13 All Too Hard 9.00 2.93

[Sands]

Finish No. Horse
1 9 Ocean Park (NZ)
2 13 All Too Hard
3 12 Pierro
4 8 Ethiopia
5 1 Shoot Out
6 11 Southern Speed
7 4 Green Moon (Ire)
8 14 Proisir
9 2 Sincero
10 7 Happy Trails
11 10 More Joyous (NZ)
12 6 Linton
13 3 Glass Harmonium (Ire)
14 5 Rekindled Interest

[Sands]

Glen Boss, one perfect ride, one happy man

[grizzle]

How many Cox Plate wins now? Think he has won before

[rhino82]

That make 3 for Glen Boss I think

[Raw Instinct]

Yea that I know of he has won on Ocean Park, So You Think as a 3yo and Makybe Diva best horse won the race the tempo of the race was definitely affected with Glass Harmonium missing the kick but I annoy sure it would have made a difference anyway I thought there were some very average runs amoungst them.

If I owned a 3yo with any ability I would go to this race now I think the weight advantage now going against what is not a great bunch of older horses just makes it such a huge advantage now.

[grizzle]

How many Cox Plate wins now? Think he has won before
Thanks guys :)

[Sands]

..So You Think as a 3yo and Makybe Diva
Not bad neddys

[MyHatMyCoat]

Yeah both pretty handy ;)

[kiwiz]

Been a while between drinks (Sunline back-to-back 1999 / 2000) but NZ claims the Cox Plate again!
Ocean Park is set to race on, with trainer (part-owner) Gary Hennessy keen to defend his title in next year's Cox Plate before the horse embarks on a stud career

[kiwiz]

Half-brother to superstar mare Black Caviar didn't do too bad either
A lot of critics were bagging All Too Hard early this September