6 Nov – Melbourne Cup (G1) - 3200m

[Sands]

Noms / weights

No Horse Trainer Weight
1 Americain (USA) Alain de Royer Dupre 58.0
2 Dunaden (Fr) Mikel Delzangles 58.0
3 Manighar (Fr) Peter G Moody 57.0
4 Jukebox Jury (Ire) Mark Johnston 56.0
5 More Joyous (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 56.0
6 Jakkalberry (Ire) Marco Botti 55.5
7 Red Cadeaux (GB) Ed Dunlop 55.5
8 Winchester (USA) John Sadler 55.5
9 Colour Vision (Fr) Saeed Bin Suroor 55.0
10 December Draw (Ire) Mark Kavanagh 55.0
11 Efficient (NZ) Robert Hickmott 55.0
12 Rite Of Passage (GB) Dermot K Weld 55.0
13 Voila Ici (Ire) Peter G Moody 55.0
14 Mawingo (Ger) Anthony Freedman 54.5
15 Southern Speed Leon Macdonald & Andrew Gluyas 54.5
16 Cavalryman (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 54.0
17 Drunken Sailor (Ire) Michael Moroney 54.0
18 Midas Touch (GB) Robert Hickmott 54.0
19 Mount Athos (Ire) Luca Cumani 54.0
20 Sanagas (Ger) Bart Cummings 54.0
21 Ethiopia Pat Carey 53.5
22 Fiorente (Ire) Michael Stoute 53.5
23 Galileo'S Choice (Ire) Dermot K Weld 53.5
24 Green Moon (Ire) Robert Hickmott 53.5
25 Maluckyday (NZ) Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 53.5
26 Mourayan (Ire) Robert Hickmott 53.5
27 Niwot Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 53.5
28 Quest For Peace (Ire) Luca Cumani 53.5
29 Seville (Ger) Robert Hickmott 53.5
30 Tac De Boistron (Fr) Michael Kent 53.5
31 Brigantin (USA) Andre Fabre 53.0
32 Class Is Class (Ire) Chris Waller 53.0
33 Lamasery David Vandyke 53.0
34 Lights Of Heaven (NZ) Peter G Moody 53.0
35 Linton John Sadler 53.0
36 Lost In The Moment (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor 53.0
37 Moudre Ciaron Maher 53.0
38 Prairie Star (Fr) Danny O'Brien 53.0
39 Precedence (NZ) Bart Cummings 53.0
40 Sneak A Peek (Ity) Peter G Moody 53.0
41 Tullamore (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 53.0
42 Unusual Suspect (USA) Michael Kent 53.0
43 Illo (Ger) Bart Cummings 52.5
44 Ironstein Gerald Ryan 52.5
45 Permit (GB) Chris Waller 52.5
46 Polish Knight (NZ) Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 52.5
47 The Verminator Chris Waller 52.5
48 Willing Foe (USA) Saeed Bin Suroor 52.5
49 Rialya Lloyd Kennewell 52.0
50 Sapphire (Ire) Dermot K Weld 52.0
51 Shewan Robert Smerdon 52.0
52 Tanby Robert Hickmott 52.0
53 Zabeelionaire (NZ) Leon Corstens 52.0
54 Chase The Rainbow Rick Hore-Lacy 51.5
55 Gatewood (GB) John Gosden 51.5
56 Ibicenco (Ger) Luca Cumani 51.5
57 Moyenne Corniche (GB) Jim Conlan 51.5
58 Shahwardi (Fr) Alain de Royer Dupre 51.5
59 Shenzhou Steeds (NZ) Michael Moroney 51.5
60 Western Symbol (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 51.5
61 Fat Al Gai Waterhouse 51.0
62 Sabrage Michael Moroney 51.0
63 Single Minded (NZ) Graham Richardson 51.0
64 Stout Hearted (USA) Chris Waller 51.0
65 Buxted (Ire) Sam Pritchard-Gordon 50.5
66 Dance With Her David Brideoake & David Feek 50.5
67 Norsqui Walter McShane 50.5
68 Spechenka Ben Ahrens 50.5
69 Aaim To Prosper (Ire) Brian Meehan 50.0
70 Aliyana Tilde Kerry Parker 50.0
71 Angola Pat Carey 50.0
72 Anudjawun (NZ) Shaun Dwyer 50.0
73 Araldo (GB) Paul Harley 50.0
74 Auld Burns (GB) David Hayes 50.0
75 Back In Black (NZ) John Steffert 50.0
76 Bianmick Michael Brady 50.0
77 Brave The Way Anthony Cummings 50.0
78 Budai (Ger) David Hayes 50.0
79 Coliseo Norm Gardner 50.0
80 Commission (NZ) Bart Cummings 50.0
81 Cuban Sunday Pat Carey 50.0
82 Dame Claire (NZ) Pat Carey 50.0
83 Dare To Dream (Ire) Bart Cummings 50.0
84 Diamond Hunter (NZ) Bart Cummings 50.0
85 Dowager Queen (NZ) Lee Freedman & Graeme Rogerson 50.0
86 Dragonzone Bart Cummings 50.0
87 Dubosc (NZ) Ciaron Maher 50.0
88 Eruptious (NZ) Michael Kent 50.0
89 Exceptionally (NZ) Terry & Karina O'Sullivan 50.0
90 Excluded (NZ) Robert Hickmott 50.0
91 Fictional Account (Ire) David Hayes 50.0
92 Fruehling (Ire) Anthony Freedman 50.0
93 Glencadam Gold (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 50.0
94 Guns At Five (NZ) Peter G Moody 50.0
95 Hartani (Ire) John Oxx 50.0
96 I Have A Dream (GB) Aidan O'Brien 50.0
97 I'M Jake (NZ) David Brideoake & David Feek 50.0
98 Innocent Lady (NZ) Robert Smerdon 50.0
99 Jeroboam (NZ) Ciaron Maher 50.0
100 Julienas (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 50.0
101 Keith'S Legacy (NZ) David Vandyke 50.0
102 Kelinni (Ire) Chris Waller 50.0
103 King Diamond Peter G Moody 50.0
104 Le Baron (NZ) Jarrod McLean 50.0
105 Le Roi (Ger) Tony McEvoy 50.0
106 Leica Ding Darren Weir 50.0
107 Less Is More (Fr) David Vandyke 50.0
108 Many Stars (NZ) Anthony Cummings 50.0
109 Margins Ben Currie 50.0
110 Maythehorsebemagic (NZ) Michael Moroney 50.0
111 Miss Artistic (NZ) Shaune Ritchie 50.0
112 Miss Crissy (Ire) Darren Weir 50.0
113 Mont Dane Bart Cummings 50.0
114 Mr O'Ceirin (NZ) Ciaron Maher 50.0
115 My Chicharita (NZ) Michael Moroney 50.0
116 Never Forget (Fr) Peter G Moody 50.0
117 Nextanix Kerry Parker 50.0
118 Peal Of Bells Gwenda Markwell 50.0
119 Planet Purple Kerry Parker 50.0
120 Puissance De Lune (Ire) Darren Weir 50.0
121 Quintessential (NZ) John Sargent 50.0
122 Rapidus (NZ) Bart Cummings 50.0
123 Red Eye Special (NZ) Michael Moroney 50.0
124 Reuben Percival (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 50.0
125 Rosello (Ger) Leon Corstens 50.0
126 Rusticated John Sadler 50.0
127 Saghann (Ire) Anthony Freedman 50.0
128 Saint Desir (GB) Tony McEvoy 50.0
129 Saptapadi (Ire) Jim Conlan 50.0
130 Sea Galleon Colin & Cindy Alderson 50.0
131 Sean Baile Mor Todd Balfour 50.0
132 Sharalam (Ire) Mark Kavanagh 50.0
133 Simpre Arriba (NZ) Ciaron Maher 50.0
134 Strawberry Boy Gai Waterhouse 50.0
135 Sysmo (Fr) Tony McEvoy 50.0
136 Tenno (NZ) Michael Kent 50.0
137 The Chevron (NZ) John Sadler 50.0
138 Thubiaan (USA) Chris Waller 50.0
139 Thy (NZ) Peter G Moody 50.0
140 Tohunga (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 50.0
141 Unchain My Heart David Hayes 50.0
142 Under The Sun (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 50.0
143 Val Champ (Arg) Anthony Freedman 50.0
144 Vatuvei Peter G Moody 50.0
145 Verdant (GB) Robert Smerdon 50.0
146 Waterford Hill Leon Corstens 50.0
147 You Think So (NZ) Michael Kent 50.0
148 Zamerit (NZ) Anthony Cummings 50.0
149 Zurella (NZ) Shaune Ritchie 50.0
150 Ali Vital (NZ) Michael Moroney 49.0
151 My Dancing Duel (NZ) Michael Moroney 49.0

[jimbob]

anyone got good pick? https://imageshackau.com/sports/131/b/happy.gifhttps://imageshackau.com/sports/133/b/happy.gifhttps://imageshackau.com/sports/138/b/happy.gif
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[Sands]

3 previous Cup winners nominated. Dunaden (2011), Americain (2010) & Efficient (2007)

[rhino82]

Cups King with 9 noms has import Sanagas, just 13 starts for the 7yo for 7 wins, had 2 conditioning starts in Oz

[rhino82]

Sanagas 50/1+ early market

[kiwiz]

Peter Moody has a few with some hope but is yet to train a Melbourne Cup placegetter
Manighar,,Lights of Heaven,,Vatuvei & imports Voila Ici & Sneak a Peek amongst his group

[Sands]

No. Horse Trainer Weight
1 Americain (USA) Alain de Royer Dupre 58kg
2 Dunaden (Fr) Mikel Delzangles 58kg
3 Manighar (Fr) Peter G Moody 57kg
4 Jakkalberry (Ire) Marco Botti 55.5kg
5 Red Cadeaux (GB) Ed Dunlop 55.5kg
6 Winchester (USA) John Sadler 55.5kg
7 December Draw (Ire) Mark Kavanagh 55kg
8 Voila Ici (Ire) Peter G Moody 55kg
9 Southern Speed Leon Macdonald & Andrew Gluyas 54.5kg
10 Cavalryman (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 54kg
11 Midas Touch (GB) Robert Hickmott 54kg
12 Mount Athos (Ire) Luca Cumani 54kg
13 Sanagas (Ger) Bart Cummings 54kg
14 Ethiopia Pat Carey 53.5kg
15 Fiorente (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 53.5kg
16 Galileo’s Choice (Ire) Dermot K Weld 53.5kg
17 Glencadam Gold (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 53.5kg
18 Green Moon (Ire) Robert Hickmott 53.5kg
19 Maluckyday (NZ) Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 53.5kg
20 Mourayan (Ire) Robert Hickmott 53.5kg
21 My Quest For Peace (Ire) Luca Cumani 53.5kg
22 Niwot Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 53.5kg
23 Seville (Ger) Robert Hickmott 53.5kg
24 Tac De Boistron (Fr) Michael Kent 53.5kg
25 Brigantin (USA) Andre Fabre 53kg
26 Lights Of Heaven (NZ) Peter G Moody 53kg
27 Lost In The Moment (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor 53kg
28 Moudre Ciaron Maher 53kg
29 Prairie Star (Fr) Danny O'Brien 53kg
30 Precedence (NZ) Bart Cummings 53kg
31 Unusual Suspect (USA) Michael Kent 53kg
32 Ironstein Gerald Ryan 52.5kg
33 Permit (GB) Chris Waller 52.5kg
34 Tanby Robert Hickmott 52.5kg
35 Rialya Lloyd Kennewell 52kg
36 Zabeelionaire (NZ) Leon Corstens 52kg
37 Gatewood (GB) John Gosden 51.5kg
38 Ibicenco (Ger) Luca Cumani 51.5kg
39 Shahwardi (Fr) Alain de Royer Dupre 51.5kg
40 Western Symbol (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 51.5kg
41 Bianmick Michael Brady 51kg
42 Kelinni (Ire) Chris Waller 51kg
43 Sabrage Michael Moroney 51kg
44 Dance With Her David Brideoake & David Feek 50.5kg
45 Spechenka Ben Ahrens 50.5kg
46 Auld Burns (GB) David Hayes 50kg
47 Back In Black (NZ) John Steffert 50kg
48 Budai (Ger) David Hayes 50kg
49 Dame Claire (NZ) Pat Carey 50kg
50 Dare To Dream (Ire) Bart Cummings 50kg
51 Exceptionally (NZ) Terry & Karina O'Sullivan 50kg
52 Excluded (NZ) Robert Hickmott 50kg
53 Fictional Account (Ire) David Hayes 50kg
54 Guns At Five (NZ) Peter G Moody 50kg
55 I’m Jake (NZ) David Brideoake & David Feek 50kg
56 Le Baron (NZ) Jarrod McLean 50kg
57 Leica Ding Darren Weir 50kg
58 Less Is More (Fr) David Vandyke 50kg
59 Miss Artistic (NZ) Shaune Ritchie 50kg
60 Mr O’ceirin (NZ) Ciaron Maher 50kg
61 Peal Of Bells Gwenda Markwell 50kg
62 Red Eye Special (NZ) Michael Moroney 50kg
63 Reuben Percival (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 50kg
64 Saint Desir (GB) Tony McEvoy 50kg
65 Vatuvei Peter G Moody 50kg
66 Verdant (GB) Robert Smerdon 50kg
67 My Dancing Duel (NZ) Michael Moroney 49kg

[Kanga]

3. Manighar is gone for the Spring. Knee.
29. Seville is gone for the Spring. Virus.

[grizzle]

Must have been some severe virus

[Sands]

Horse Win Place
Mount Athos 9.00 3.00
Glencadam Gold 10.00 3.25
Green Moon 11.00 3.50
Shahwardi 13.00 4.00
Dunaden 17.00 5.00
Red Cadeaux 17.00 5.00
Brigantin 17.00 5.00
Americain 19.00 5.50
Ethiopia 21.00 6.00
Tac De Boistron 21.00 6.00
Maluckyday 21.00 6.00
Galileos Choice 21.00 6.00
Fiorente 26.00 7.25
Mourayan 26.00 7.25
Jakkalberry 26.00 7.25
My Quest For Peace 26.00 7.25
December Draw 26.00 7.25
Voila Ici 35.00 9.50
Winchester 35.00 9.50
Zabeelionaire 35.00 9.50
Gatewood 35.00 9.50
Exceptionally 35.00 9.50
Dare To Dream 51.00 13.50
Lost In The Moment 51.00 13.50
Lights Of Heaven 51.00 13.50
Moudre 51.00 13.50
Sanagas 51.00 13.50
Southern Speed 51.00 13.50
Tanby 51.00 13.50
Prairie Star 51.00 13.50
Ibicenco 51.00 13.50
Cavalryman 51.00 13.50
Niwot 51.00 13.50
Excluded 51.00 13.50
Reuben Percival 101.00 26.00
Precedence 101.00 26.00
Sabrage 101.00 26.00
Unusual Suspect 101.00 26.00
Kelinni 101.00 26.00
Less Is More 101.00 26.00
Permit 101.00 26.00
Western Symbol 151.00 38.50
Mr Oceirin 151.00 38.50
Rialya 151.00 38.50
Fictional Account 151.00 38.50
Midas Touch 151.00 38.50
Guns At Five 151.00 38.50
Dame Claire 151.00 38.50
Ironstein 201.00 51.00
Vatuvei 201.00 51.00
Im Jake 201.00 51.00
Leica Ding 301.00 76.00
Le Baron 301.00 76.00
Red Eye Special 301.00 76.00
Dance With Her 301.00 76.00
Verdant 301.00 76.00
Auld Burns 301.00 76.00
Budai 301.00 76.00
Saint Desir 301.00 76.00
Peal Of Bells 301.00 76.00
My Dancing Duel 301.00 76.00
Bianmick 301.00 76.00
Spechenka 301.00 76.00
Miss Artistic 301.00 76.00
Back In Black 301.00 76.00

[MyHatMyCoat]

German galloper Ibicenco is out of Caulfield Cup after suffering a minor leg injury, so there must be a bit of doubt with this race.

[grizzle]

Dunaden 1kg penalty following last Saturday's Caulfield Cup win

[Sands]

Horse Win Place

Dunaden 6.50 2.37
Americain 9.00 3.00
Mount Athos 9.00 3.00
Red Cadeaux 10.00 3.25
Green Moon 13.00 4.00
Shahwardi 17.00 5.00
Maluckyday 17.00 5.00
Brigantin 17.00 5.00
Gatewood 21.00 6.00
Galileos Choice 21.00 6.00
Lights Of Heaven 21.00 6.00
My Quest For Peace 21.00 6.00
Mourayan 26.00 7.25
Jakkalberry 26.00 7.25
Ethiopia 26.00 7.25
Tac De Boistron 35.00 9.50
Glencadam Gold 35.00 9.50
Winchester 35.00 9.50
Fiorente 35.00 9.50
Lost In The Moment 51.00 13.50
Zabeelionaire 51.00 13.50
Prairie Star 51.00 13.50
Sanagas 51.00 13.50
Tanby 51.00 13.50
Southern Speed 51.00 13.50
Moudre 51.00 13.50
Niwot 51.00 13.50
Excluded 51.00 13.50
Exceptionally 51.00 13.50
Cavalryman 51.00 13.50
Midas Touch 81.00 21.00
Voila Ici 101.00 26.00
December Draw 101.00 26.00
Unusual Suspect 101.00 26.00
Reuben Percival 101.00 26.00
Precedence 101.00 26.00
Dare To Dream 101.00 26.00
Less Is More 101.00 26.00
Ibicenco 101.00 26.00
Kelinni 101.00 26.00
Rialya 151.00 38.50
Dame Claire 151.00 38.50
Permit 151.00 38.50
Fictional Account 151.00 38.50
Guns At Five 151.00 38.50
Sabrage 201.00 51.00
Im Jake 201.00 51.00
Vatuvei 201.00 51.00
Ironstein 201.00 51.00
Budai 301.00 76.00
Verdant 301.00 76.00
Back In Black 301.00 76.00
Auld Burns 301.00 76.00
Bianmick 301.00 76.00
Spechenka 301.00 76.00
My Dancing Duel 301.00 76.00
Peal Of Bells 301.00 76.00
Leica Ding 301.00 76.00
Mr Oceirin 301.00 76.00
Saint Desir 301.00 76.00
Dance With Her 301.00 76.00
Le Baron 301.00 76.00
Red Eye Special 301.00 76.00

[Raw Instinct]

I like Brigantin for the cup the Geelong Cup certainly didn't deter me it was a joke of a race anyway he just showed me that he atleast has a turn of foot for a proven 2 miler which bodes well for this race.

[JB1]

Dunaden 1kg penalty following last Saturday's Caulfield Cup win
Gatewood also a 1kg penalty, based on that I think Dunaden got off lightly

[grizzle]

German galloper Ibicenco is out of Caulfield Cup after suffering a minor leg injury, so there must be a bit of doubt with this race.
Did nothing today, International Cup

[rhino82]

Damien Oliver new rider for Americain

[Sands]

Vatuvei 1kg penalty following last Saturday's Moonee Valley Cup

[Sands]

No. Horse Trainer Weight
1 Dunaden (Fr) Mikel Delzangles 59kg
2 Americain (USA) Alain de Royer Dupre 58kg
3 Jakkalberry (Ire) Marco Botti 55.5kg
4 Red Cadeaux (GB) Ed Dunlop 55.5kg
5 Winchester (USA) John Sadler 55.5kg
6 Voila Ici (Ire) Peter G Moody 55kg
7 Southern Speed Leon Macdonald & Andrew Gluyas 54.5kg
8 Cavalryman (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 54kg
9 Mount Athos (Ire) Luca Cumani 54kg
10 Sanagas (Ger) Bart Cummings 54kg
11 Ethiopia Pat Carey 53.5kg
12 Fiorente (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 53.5kg
13 Galileo’s Choice (Ire) Dermot K Weld 53.5kg
14 Glencadam Gold (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 53.5kg
15 Green Moon (Ire) Robert Hickmott 53.5kg
16 Maluckyday (NZ) Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 53.5kg
17 Mourayan (Ire) Robert Hickmott 53.5kg
18 My Quest For Peace (Ire) Luca Cumani 53.5kg
19 Niwot Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 53.5kg
20 Tac De Boistron (Fr) Michael Kent 53.5kg
21 Brigantin (USA) Andre Fabre 53kg
22 Lights Of Heaven (NZ) Peter G Moody 53kg
23 Lost In The Moment (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor 53kg
24 Moudre Ciaron Maher 53kg
25 Prairie Star (Fr) Danny O'Brien 53kg
26 Precedence (NZ) Bart Cummings 53kg
27 Shahwardi (Fr) Alain de Royer Dupre 53kg
28 Unusual Suspect (USA) Michael Kent 53kg
29 Gatewood (GB) John Gosden 52.5kg
30 Ironstein Gerald Ryan 52.5kg
31 Permit (GB) Chris Waller 52.5kg
32 Tanby Robert Hickmott 52.5kg
33 Zabeelionaire (NZ) Leon Corstens 52kg
34 Ibicenco (Ger) Luca Cumani 51.5kg
35 Kelinni (Ire) Chris Waller 51kg
36 Sabrage Michael Moroney 51kg
37 Vatuvei Peter G Moody 51kg
38 Spechenka Ben Ahrens 50.5kg
39 Back In Black (NZ) John Steffert 50kg
40 Dame Claire (NZ) Pat Carey 50kg
41 Dare To Dream (Ire) Bart Cummings 50kg
42 Exceptionally (NZ) Terry & Karina O'Sullivan 50kg
43 Excluded (NZ) Robert Hickmott 50kg
44 Fictional Account (Ire) David Hayes 50kg
45 Peal Of Bells Gwenda Markwell 50kg
46 Reuben Percival (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 50kg

[Sands]

Winchester will undergo a second veterinary examination today after being found to be mildly lame yesterday

[Raw Instinct]

Winchester is fine now still got my fingers crossed that Brigantin sneaks into the field not liking it's chances though

[JB1]

Damien Oliver new rider for Americain
Damien in form at the right time

[Sands]

No. Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 Dunaden (FR) Mikel Delzangles Craig Williams 16 59kg
2 Americain (USA) Alain de Royer Dupre Damien Oliver 12 58kg
3 Jakkalberry (IRE) Marco Botti Colm O'Donoghue 19 55.5kg
4 Red Cadeaux (GB) Ed Dunlop Michael Rodd 18 55.5kg
5 Winchester (USA) John Sadler Jamie Mott 22 55.5kg
6 Voila Ici (IRE) Peter G Moody Vlad Duric 13 55kg
7 Cavalryman (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor Frankie Dettori 6 54kg
8 Mount Athos (IRE) Luca Cumani Ryan Moore 8 54kg
9 Sanagas (GER) Bart Cummings Nick Hall 4 54kg
10 Ethiopia Pat Carey Rhys McLeod 14 53.5kg
11 Fiorente (IRE) Gai Waterhouse James McDonald 2 53.5kg
12 Galileo’s Choice (IRE) Dermot K Weld Pat Smullen 11 53.5kg
13 Glencadam Gold (IRE) Gai Waterhouse Tommy Berry 7 53.5kg
14 Green Moon (IRE) Robert Hickmott Brett Prebble 5 53.5kg
15 Maluckyday (NZ) Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Jim Cassidy 9 53.5kg
16 Mourayan (IRE) Robert Hickmott Hugh Bowman 3 53.5kg
17 My Quest For Peace (IRE) Luca Cumani Corey Brown 1 53.5kg
18 Niwot Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Dwayne Dunn 15 53.5kg
19 Tac De Boistron (FR) Michael Kent Oliver Doleuze 21 53kg
20 Lights Of Heaven (NZ) Peter G Moody Luke Nolen 17 53kg
21 Precedence (NZ) Bart Cummings Blake Shinn 20 53kg
22 Unusual Suspect (USA) Michael Kent Glyn Schofield 23 53kg
23 Zabeelionaire (NZ) Leon Corstens Craig Newitt 24 52kg
24 Kelinni (IRE) Chris Waller Glen Boss 10 51kg

[UselessBettor]

My intial strip down using some form factors gave me the following:

ETHIOPIA
GREEN MOON
MALUCKYDAY
MY QUEST FOR PEACE
KELINNI
GLENCADAM GOLD
TAC DE BOISTRON
LIGHTS OF HEAVEN
ZABEELIONAIRE

I then eliminated a few on price ranges (the winner ususally is in the range of $6 to $20 which is usually the shorter priced horses in the melbourne cup) and this left me with:

ETHIOPIA
GREEN MOON
MY QUEST FOR PEACE
MALUCKYDAY
KELINNI

I would probably also rule out MALUCKYDAY due to it contesting and not winning previously.

So my early tips this year would be these ones (in order):

ETHIOPIA ($19)
MY QUEST FOR PEACE ($17)
KELINNI ($19)
GREEN MOON ($16)

I know its early but anyone else got any thoughts.

[Sands]

Horse Win Place

Americain 5.00 2.00
Dunaden 7.00 2.50
Mount Athos 8.50 2.87
Red Cadeaux 9.00 3.00
Maluckyday 13.00 4.00
Green Moon 17.00 5.00
Ethiopia 19.00 5.50
Galileos Choice 19.00 5.50
Fiorente 26.00 7.25
My Quest For Peace 26.00 7.25
Mourayan 26.00 7.25
Kelinni 26.00 7.25
Lights Of Heaven 26.00 7.25
Zabeelionaire 35.00 9.50
Tac De Boistron 35.00 9.50
Winchester 35.00 9.50
Glencadam Gold 35.00 9.50
Jakkalberry 35.00 9.50
Niwot 35.00 9.50
Sanagas 51.00 13.50
Cavalryman 51.00 13.50
Voila Ici 101.00 26.00
Precedence 101.00 26.00
Unusual Suspect 201.00 51.00

[Sands]

Here's my tips for the cup

Dunaden
Americain
Mounth Athos
Green Moon
Maluckyday
Niwot
Good luck Benny

[darkydog2002]

Dunaden
Lights Of Heaven
Glencadum Gold
Kellini
Americain
Maluckday

As usual I wont be betting in this raffle.

[Sands]

So how does anyone rate those having their 1st start down-under
i.e. Cavalryman, Mount Athos, Fiorente & Galileo's Choice

[UselessBettor]

So how does anyone rate those having their 1st start down-under
i.e. Cavalryman, Mount Athos, Fiorente & Galileo's Choice
Historically they have all fared extremely poorly. For this reason I would rule themn all out regardless of how good they are.

Look at Black Caviar when she went to the UK. Her only start was way below her usual performance. It gives me cause for concern that they are feeling the effects of travel and that is why they have been saved for just one big race.

[Lord Greystoke]

According to chief handicapper(on Outsiders this am).. It's also about avoiding the penalty they might receive if they did well in lead up race(s).

Would be a calculated gamble i guess between running them (penalty) v leaving them fresh (stats against them getting up in the cup) ?

LG

[jake]

mount athos..top overseas form..goes well fresh..bred to run the distance..ok barrier..nicely weighted..trainer placed cup previously..wouldn't leave it out

[Sands]

Market moves since final acceptors

Americain $5 to $6
Dunaden $7 to $7.50
Mount Athos $8.50 to $8
Cavalryman $67 to $41
Kelinni $34 to $26

[UselessBettor]

Market moves since final acceptors

Americain $5 to $6
Dunaden $7 to $7.50
Mount Athos $8.50 to $8
Cavalryman $67 to $41
Kelinni $34 to $26
Not surprising the top 2 have drifted. I have layed Dunaden and American.

Thanks for the update. Whick bookie are you using ?

[kiwiz]

mount athos..top overseas form..goes well fresh..bred to run the distance..ok barrier..nicely weighted..trainer placed cup previously..wouldn't leave it out
The other Luca Cumani starter My Quest For Peace also looks a good chance if he can run a strong 2 mile
From barrier 1 should get a good run just off the pace

[darkydog2002]

Sheesh.
The more I look at this race the more it looks like a 2 horse race .
Dunaden
Americain

Dont know what Barts thinking putting in Precedence.?

[jimbob]

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[kiwiz]

Sheesh.
The more I look at this race the more it looks like a 2 horse race .
Dunaden
Americain

Yep they've been there,,done that,,foolish not to include both Dunaden & Americain at least in your multi-horse wagering

[JB1]

The other Luca Cumani starter My Quest For Peace also looks a good chance if he can run a strong 2 mile
From barrier 1 should get a good run just off the pace
Similar comment Lights Of Heaven except will need lots of luck from barrier 17

[kumite]

So how does anyone rate those having their 1st start down-under
i.e. Cavalryman, Mount Athos, Fiorente & Galileo's Choice
don’t mind Cavalryman or Galileo's Choice, 3200 won’t be a problem for either & they’re not badly weighted
don’t mind the local Kelinni either, in great form, carrying just the 51kgs

[kiwiz]

Nothing wrong with Mourayan's form this time in
Distance a query but from what I can see was placed over 3200m only start

[Raw Instinct]

Tough race to sort out but I am settling on these

1. Galileo's Choice
2. Mount Athos
3. Maluckyday
4. Americain
5. Cavalryman

you have to draw a line somwhere and I guess this is where it stops for me there are plenty of others I could include Ethiopia, Zabeelionaire, Red Cadeaux, Dunaden, Green Moon, Winchester are the most prominant in my mind if the rain comes that changes things aswell

All I can say is if your having a bet good luck you'll need it

[Sands]

Currently dead (4) all starting

[TheAvenger]

All a poor Yank like me can to is bet Max Hitchin's picks. Probably have a look at Tony Brassel's picks, and most assuredly, the good fellow members who post here. Good luck.

[Sands]

No. Horse Win Place
8 Mount Athos 7.00
2 Americain 7.00
1 Dunaden 7.00
4 Red Cadeaux 7.50
15 Maluckyday 12.00
12 Galileo's Choice 16.00
17 My Quest For Peace 19.00
20 Lights Of Heaven 19.00
14 Green Moon 19.00
24 Kelinni 21.00
10 Ethiopia 23.00
16 Mourayan 26.00
7 Cavalryman 26.00
11 Fiorente 41.00
9 Sanagas 41.00
13 Glencadam Gold 41.00
23 Zabeelionaire 51.00
18 Niwot 51.00
5 Winchester 51.00
3 Jakkalberry 71.00
21 Precedence 71.00
19 Tac De Boistron 71.00
6 Voila Ici 126.00
22 Unusual Suspect 151.00

[jake]

like a lot of punters..building my multiples around the top 4 in betting..

[UselessBettor]

Congrats to those who tipped the winner. It looks like a few of us had it within our selections.

The second and third places were suprising to me though.

[Lord Greystoke]

Only 2 horses I could see to win and happy to have one of them.

LG

[Raw Instinct]

I had been all over Green Moon for everything this spring well ofcourse today I saved it for a $10 e/w bet for my daughter while my donkeys are still running congrats to anyone that won a stack on it.

[jake]

I had been all over Green Moon for everything this spring well ofcourse today I saved it for a $10 e/w bet for my daughter while my donkeys are still running congrats to anyone that won a stack on it.
..one very happy daughter..no doubt :)

[Raw Instinct]

lol not really mate she is less than 2 weeks old we just held the paper up in front of her and that was what she pointed to my other daughter picked Tac De Biostren so it didn't go so well there.

funnily enough a couple of years ago when the other daughter was roughly 3 months old we did the same trick for her and she picked Americain back then I had $20 E/W on it the money has gone into piggy banks for them both one day they can enjoy it :)

[Sands]

Placing Horse
1st Green Moon(IRE)
2nd Fiorente(IRE)
3rd Jakkalberry(IRE)
4th Kelinni(IRE)
5th Mount Athos(IRE)
6th Glencadam Gold(IRE)
7th Mourayan(IRE)
8th Red Cadeaux(GB)
9th Precedence(NZ)
10th My Quest For Peace(IRE)
11th Americain(USA)
12th Cavalryman(GB)
13th Voila Ici(IRE)
14th Dunaden(FR)
15th Niwot
16th Lights Of Heaven(NZ)
17th Winchester(USA)
18th Sanagas(GER)
19th Maluckyday(NZ)
20th Galileo's Choice(IRE)
21st Unusual Suspect(USA)
22nd Zabeelionaire(NZ)
23rd Tac De Boistron(FR)
Last Ethiopia

[Kanga]

All a poor Yank like me can to is bet Max Hitchin's picks. Probably have a look at Tony Brassel's picks, and most assuredly, the good fellow members who post here. Good luck.
There was a bookie in Moree who was called Hitchins, I think his name was Ernie from memory. I'll have a look for this Max later on, not a common name so I'm guessing they may well be related.

[Kanga]

OK, so here's my hard luck Cup story from yesterday, it isn't bad....

Had a 3/14 quinella x $10...finished 1st and 3rd...not sure what the approx divvy was but I'm guessing $700...pretty close to $7k.

Had a tri 3/14, 3/14, field for a full unit as well. finished 1st and 3rd...guessing divvy would have been $60k approx....didn't have enough mohicans to go 3/14, field, 3/14 etc

Had a 6 horse box for a full unit as well...3,14 and 4 others...but not the 11....

I didn't back Green Moon.

I have a strange feeling that I may have missed the boat a little. Such is life.

The end. :)

[Lord Greystoke]

Keep hoppin' Kanga..
1 more leap and you shall touch mr blue sky.

LG

[SpeedyBen]

Dunaden
Lights Of Heaven
Glencadum Gold
Kellini
Americain
Maluckday

As usual I wont be betting in this raffle.Yes and based on very sound principles too that are common to all MC (at least in my lifetime of 78 years)
I,ve often described it as the "Secret Form Factor - PL

Outlay $500 /Profit $1800 /ROI 460%

Open up the Champers before I get another "Holiday"
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When you live live in clover . when your dead your dead all over.

[Sands]

Right on Speedy, works for you

[jake]

like a lot of punters..building my multiples around the top 4 in betting..
..like a lot of punters..almost recovered..lol

[SpeedyBen]

Sorry guys I didn't make it clear. Both posts were from DarkyDog

[darkydog2002]

Yep.
1 Post from Pro Ratings and 1 post from the "World Famous" but different threads.

I assume the missing regular posters of late are enjoying the $343,000 that Lord Greystoke and I gave on Last Saturdays BIG6.(See Golden Dart Big 6 thread)