Sky Rankings

[michaelg]

Anyone looks at Sky rankings?

Today if the Best Overall had 20 points or more, and the race had 8 to 12 runners the results were (Unitab divvies):

11 selections
4 winners for a return of $15.30.
10 placegetters for a return of $14.40.

If I get time tomorrow I'll list the selections here.

[Rinconpaul]

Well MG, I had a serious look today at laying Sky's top tipsters selections (Baghwan star rating inspired) and would have made a tidy profitRP

[darkydog2002]

I tried them for awhile but gave them up as a bad joke.

[garyf]

Anyone looks at Sky rankings?

Today if the Best Overall had 20 points or more, and the race had 8 to 12 runners the results were (Unitab divvies):

11 selections
4 winners for a return of $15.30.
10 placegetters for a return of $14.40.

If I get time tomorrow I'll list the selections here.Hi M.G.

Without giving to much away here are a couple of things,
That will help.

Extend the points to 22=>.
Always check the points on the sheet as they are often wrong.

Only consider races where the favorite reaches $2.0=>.

Only consider races where all horses have had at least 2=> starts,
Otherwise you will get horses rated highly only because the rest,
Of the field have insufficient form to rate on.

Unfortunately you will need a couple more filters but it can be profitable,
With the right filters.

Field Size =<8 is best.
9-12 small profit.
13=> loss.

The field size data is from my own so may differ when used in different circumstances.

Good luck with it.

[garyf]

Hi M.G.

Without giving to much away here are a couple of things,
That will help.

Extend the points to 22=>.
Always check the points on the sheet as they are often wrong.

Only consider races where the favorite reaches $2.0=>.

Only consider races where all horses have had at least 2=> starts,
Otherwise you will get horses rated highly only because the rest,
Of the field have insufficient form to rate on.

Unfortunately you will need a couple more filters but it can be profitable,
With the right filters.

Field Size =<8 is best.
9-12 small profit.
13=> loss.

The field size data is from my own so may differ when used in different circumstances.

Good luck with it.To save a lot of time for you M.G. profitability will be determined,
BY 3 X CRITERIA.

Where you bet.(which state)
The type of meeting you bet on.(country metro provincial)
The type of race you will bet in.(good average poor)

Today ( Geelong)(V/P) (Victoria Provincial)
(R/hampton (QC)(Qld Country)
(Pinjarra)(W.A.C.)(West Aust Country)

Personally i don't bet in W.A as their country and provincial meetings,
Often don't have fixed odds betting.

Once you have established that, you can add filters like.

Distance(s).
Field Size(s).
Price.
Form.etc.

This in my own database is the only way i have been able to make profits,
Using your selection method.

But you may be able to discover something else other than,
My last 2 posts.

Good luck with it whatever method you use.

Cheers.
Garyf.
.

[michaelg]

Thanks, gents for your comments. Anyone got any Place records?

Betting to Win is not my preference, laying is. I'll give the method another go today.

I'll identify the selections that Won/Placed at last start, and those that were unplaced to see if there's any merit.

*** = won at last start
** = ran second at last start
* = ran third at last start
X = unplaced at last start.


Geelong
3/3 = X
4/4 = **
8/3 = ***

Rocky
3/1= **
4/1 = X
5/2 = ***
6/3 = *

Pinjarra
2/8 = **
4/1 = **

There are 2 selections that won at last start - Geelong 8/3 and Rocky 5/2. I'm backing them to Place.

[garyf]

No idea M.G. on how to lay these for a profit,
Have never layed a horse in my life for a living.

Only know how to make these ratings profitable.

Maybe someone out there who is laying them successfully can help.

Cheers.
Garyf.

[garyf]

Thanks, gents for your comments. Anyone got any Place records?

Betting to Win is not my preference, laying is. I'll give the method another go today.

I'll identify the selections that Won/Placed at last start, and those that were unplaced to see if there's any merit.

*** = won at last start
** = ran second at last start
* = ran third at last start
X = unplaced at last start.


Geelong
3/3 = X
4/4 = **
8/3 = ***

Rocky
3/1= **
4/1 = X
5/2 = ***
6/3 = *

Pinjarra
2/8 = **
4/1 = **

There are 2 selections that won at last start - Geelong 8/3 and Rocky 5/2. I'm backing them to Place.You may wish to recheck you selections M.G re the points.
G/LONG R=8.
P/JARRA R=2.

But you may have other criteria for the selections.

Cheers.

[michaelg]

Thanks, Garyf.

The selection for Geelong R8 should be no.2 not no.3 (ran third last start). However there is no selection for Pinjarra R2 as the top selection (no.2) has only 12 points? I get the info for the method from NSW TAB.

Two races have already been run. Geelong 3/3 (unplaced last start) won paying $1.90 and $1.10, and Geelong 4/4 second loast start) ran second paying $1.50.

[michaelg]

Just an observation:

If the Sky 100-pointer is not in the top 2 selections of the Best Overall rankings - there have already been three selections, Rocky 1/1, 2/8 and 3/6 ($2.57 SP), then I'm considering laying them.

The three above selections have been beaten, I estimate for a profit of approximately $26 from a liability of $33.

If anyone's interested there are three more of these selections.

Geelong
7/9 - I'm not interested because it's returning from a spell.

Pinjarra
2/9
8/2

[Rinconpaul]

Like all these ratings they run hot and cold. I made heaps Laying the Unitab 100 rated horse for the first 3 weeks of March, but now it's unbeatable in selecting winners. Similarly I Layed Skyforrm top tipped horses yesterday for a $443 nett profit but today -$254 loss. Again I Layed Skyform 100 rated horses yesterday for -$254 loss, but today $394 nett profit. All based on $100 liability.
That's the nature of horse racing, I suppose.
Cheers RP

[michaelg]

Hi, RP.

Have you looked at any any filters?

Today there were 9 selections for 3 winners paying a total of $10.50, and 5 placegetters for a retrurn of $7.20.

However, if I had omitted Rocky 4/1 and Geelong 3/3 (unplaced at last start) then there would have been 7 selections for 2 winners paying $8.60 and 4 placegetters for a return of $6.10.

[rails run]

Hi Rinconpaul

When you lay the Unitab 100 or Skyform Best Overall ( I assume these are your top tipped ) do you lay all selections for every race on the day? How do you decide which ones to lay ( without giving too much of your method away )?

I don't follow Unitab ratings too closely these days but I know if it is top rated and 7 points clear of the next horse they win a ******** of a lot of races. If you got 2 or 3 of those on any day you would struggle to profit. Likewise, with Skyform, if the Best Overall is top pick of 5-6 panels they don't lose too often and would erode profits if grouped in any particular day.

I suppose a grouping of these on a days race card would help decide when to lay or sit out.

[Rinconpaul]

Hi, RP.

Have you looked at any any filters?

Today there were 9 selections for 3 winners paying a total of $10.50, and 5 placegetters for a retrurn of $7.20.

However, if I had omitted Rocky 4/1 and Geelong 3/3 (unplaced at last start) then there would have been 7 selections for 2 winners paying $8.60 and 4 placegetters for a return of $6.10.
Mate, if it moves, got four legs and and a computer or tipster says it's going to Win, then I'm Laying it to Lose!
What the ******** are you doing Backing horses anyway?lol.....
Cheers RP

[Rinconpaul]

Hi Rinconpaul

When you lay the Unitab 100 or Skyform Best Overall ( I assume these are your top tipped ) do you lay all selections for every race on the day? How do you decide which ones to lay ( without giving too much of your method away )?

I don't follow Unitab ratings too closely these days but I know if it is top rated and 7 points clear of the next horse they win a ******** of a lot of races. If you got 2 or 3 of those on any day you would struggle to profit. Likewise, with Skyform, if the Best Overall is top pick of 5-6 panels they don't lose too often and would erode profits if grouped in any particular day.

I suppose a grouping of these on a days race card would help decide when to lay or sit out.
No RR, the Skyform top tipped horse is the horse selected to win by the resident tipster. Go to Tips on the Sky website. I have a filter of never laying odds on selections. I lay 2-3 horses in each race, min of 2, the 100 rated Unitab, the 100 Skyform and the Tipsters pick. If 2 are the same selection, that's Ok but if all 3 are the same, skip race. This often provides two selections < $5 and both don't win, meaning a Twin lay win.
The final filter, that I gleaned from the venerable Baghwan, is once you reach your target profit, STOP betting!!! I was out in my 1st race in NZ, Race 4, no's 1 & 4 Laying two up.
I liked Baghwan's disciplined approach of not being greedy and stake your bets to achieve you target profit in a max of 3 successful selections. A lot less stress!
All the best, RP

[TheSchmile]

No RR, the Skyform top tipped horse is the horse selected to win by the resident tipster. Go to Tips on the Sky website. I have a filter of never laying odds on selections. I lay 2-3 horses in each race, min of 2, the 100 rated Unitab, the 100 Skyform and the Tipsters pick. If 2 are the same selection, that's Ok but if all 3 are the same, skip race. This often provides two selections < $5 and both don't win, meaning a Twin lay win.
The final filter, that I gleaned from the venerable Baghwan, is once you reach your target profit, STOP betting!!! I was out in my 1st race in NZ, Race 4, no's 1 & 4 Laying two up.
I liked Baghwan's disciplined approach of not being greedy and stake your bets to achieve you target profit in a max of 3 successful selections. A lot less stress!
All the best, RP
Hi Riconpaul,

I think it might pay to lay the fav in maidens if it's tipped by Sky and Tatts as they seem to be generally WAY over bet.

I like your idea of not laying odds-on, it's better for the sanity and strike rate.

[Rinconpaul]

Hi Riconpaul,

I think it might pay to lay the fav in maidens if it's tipped by Sky and Tatts as they seem to be generally WAY over bet.

I like your idea of not laying odds-on, it's better for the sanity and strike rate.
If all goes well I'm usually done & dusted by the time the early maiden races are completed.
RP

[rails run]

Thanks for the explanation RCP. I thought you were using Skyform ratings like Michaelg... and the Unitab 100 ratings. With the filters as you've outlined you are limiting your risk. All the best to you.

[TheSchmile]

Geelong
1-4 3rd ($3.18) ntd
2-2 2nd ($1.34)
3-3 won ($1.83)

P/L + 1.04

(There goes the theory on not laying odds on)

[michaelg]

Hi, RP.

Yes, it's unusual or me to bet and not lay. However I'm interested in both if profitable, and it's also can be fun.

Today's selections:

Cranbourne
1/5
4/2
5/1
6/1

Ipswich
4/1

Kyneton
2/11
4/9

Canberra
2/3
3/1

Darwin
4/1


There are 2 horses today that have 100 points but are not in the top two Best Overall rankings. They are:

Scone 4/4
Canberra 5/6

[Try Try Again]

Had a play with the Skyform and Unitab Ratings today.

Rules

1. Must be mentioned in the Overall Rankings (I only considered the 3 horses listed and did not take into account any equals)
2. Qualifiers must have a Unitab Rating of 97 or greater
3. Only bet horse if it is the only qualifier in the race.

Results

Kyneton
3 bets, 2 winners, Profit $1.60
Scone
7 bets, 3 winners, Profit $7.30
Canberra
5 bets, 3 winners, Profit $1.50
Ipswich
2 bets, 1 winner, Profit $3.00

Overall
17 bets, 9 winners, Profit $13.40

For anyone interested Cranbourne tonight has the following selections

R1#5 Momentofsurrender
R3#7 Life Of Luxury
R4#6 My Kind Of Guy
R5#1 Cash To Splash
R6#11 Lateva

[michaelg]

That's very interesting, Try.

Do you have the Place results?

[Try Try Again]

Hi Michaelg,

The place results were

Kyneton
3 bets, 2 places, Loss $0.30
Scone
7 bets, 5 places, Profit $1.70
Canberra
5 bets, 3 places, Loss $0.90
Ipswich
2 bets, 2 places, Profit $2.00

Overall
17 bets, 12 places, Profit $2.50

[Try Try Again]

Looking closer at today's results it may pay to eliminate Maiden races

This would give the following results.

Kyneton
2 bets, 1 winner, Profit $0.40
Scone
4 bets, 2 winners, Profit $8.90
Canberra
4 bets, 2 winners, Profit $0.90
Ipswich
1 bets, 1 winner, Profit $4.00

Overall
11 bets, 6 winners, Profit $14.20

From a place aspect

Kyneton
2 bets, 1 place, Loss $0.60
Scone
4 bets, 2 places, Profit $0.80
Canberra
4 bets, 2 places, Loss $1.10
Ipswich
1 bets, 1 place, Profit $1.20

Overall
11 bets, 6 places, Profit $0.30

There would also be only 2 selections for Cranbourne tonight

R5#1 Cash To Splash
R6#11 Lateva

[kiwi]

Thanks for Cash To Splash, Try.

Sportz had a lot of systems based around these ratings, some were quite good.Try a search, I think they will still be there.

[Try Try Again]

Both horses saluted for a win profit of $4.20 and a placed profit of $1.00

[Try Try Again]

Overall results for today were

13 bets, 8 winners, Profit $18.40

It will be interesting to see how it stands up tomorrow with City meetings.

The prices used were best of the 3 totes.

[Rinconpaul]

Trivia:
Yesterday if you dutched the top 3 neurals you would have backed the winner in 31 out of 48 races. 65% SR
RP

[Rinconpaul]

Sky ratings No. 1 ranked Best Overall provided 7 winners out of 10 races today at Te Aroha.
However as for the rest, if you exclude selections that were favourite you had the makings of a pretty good Lay selection system!
I'm trying to determine the worst performing rating selection system for Backing, so I can Lay them!
Is it Skyform 100, Unitab 100, neutrals, Sky Tips, Sky Best Overall...., the list goes on. They all have their good and bad days. Any thoughts or confirmed data welcomed.
RP