Bookies Track Odds

[Chrome Prince]

What is going on?
I've been searching for historical race results with bookie track fluctuations, and when ever you search by date, there is no page of results, just the dividends of the winners. They don't want us to access historical track odds for some reason.
Tried a lot of sites and they are all the same, some give today's and yesterday's, but that's it.

Just like 365 and others, they don't want us to know.

[Rinconpaul]

Yeah, not only don't they want you to win, but not even learn how to, using historical data.

I've been busy downloading every Betfair file from the AUS site, not the UK. A little more reliable. Just in preparation for BF, ditching that too.

[stugots]

Top Sports still has some historical flucs, but I used Unibet a while back to fill in some gaps I had & looks like they no longer provide any.

[UselessBettor]

And this is why data collection of even things you never thought you might need is important.

I collect so much stuff and most of it is useless.

[Rinconpaul]

I just downloaded a years data on Trots and Gallops to one master Workbook. There were something like 360,000 horses. How could you make $1, by betting every horse racing each and every day.

Not greedy, just want $1......:)

[Chrome Prince]

Get just 1% over the BFSP price plus commission, plus levy.

[garyf]

What is going on?
I've been searching for historical race results with bookie track fluctuations, and when ever you search by date, there is no page of results, just the dividends of the winners. They don't want us to access historical track odds for some reason.
Tried a lot of sites and they are all the same, some give today's and yesterday's, but that's it.

Just like 365 and others, they don't want us to know.

Yes the old Betchoice now Unibet upgraded their site 2 weeks ago.

The Bot I was using to record all fluctuations became useless & I had
To get another one made up.

Then they did some maintenance work last week forcing another bot upgrade.

With the new site only 24 hours previous back data is kept unfortunately.

Some like T/Waterhouse Sportingbet etc the on course prices,
Disappear now when the no's come up after a race is run.

Cheers.

[UselessBettor]

Yes the old Betchoice now Unibet upgraded their site 2 weeks ago.

The Bot I was using to record all fluctuations became useless & I had
To get another one made up.

Then they did some maintenance work last week forcing another bot upgrade.

Cheers.
Im glad to see I was not the only one affected. This is what sucks about scrapping websites.

[Chrome Prince]

But out of every move comes a positive, there's a reason they don't want punters to see past fluctuations and that makes me determined to find out why!
One of the very first was IAS, and there was gold in Mark's ratings.

[stugots]

But out of every move comes a positive, there's a reason they don't want punters to see past fluctuations and that makes me determined to find out why!
One of the very first was IAS, and there was gold in Mark's ratings.


As I posted above CP, Topsports still has flucs going back > 12 months, might want to grab what you need while you can.

[The Ocho]

I just downloaded a years data on Trots and Gallops to one master Workbook. There were something like 360,000 horses. How could you make $1, by betting every horse racing each and every day.

Not greedy, just want $1......:)
Does anyone know a free program that I can open the betfair data with as excel only loads a bit of the file I tried the database program from the open office dot org free software but that didn't work.

As far as making $1 a day, I think all you need is unlimited funds and somewhere to get on and you could just use recovery to get your $1 a day.

[UselessBettor]

Get something like Large Text FIle Editor or UltraEdit which only loads the first part of the file into memory. YOu could then extract bit by bit into separate CSV's which do open.

Also do a search for "split large csv" and there are many programs which will split it into useable chunks.

[Rinconpaul]

It was meant to be $1 per horse TO. 7 horse race, $7 return. CP's right, you have to be getting overlays per horse, not necessarily beating Betfair SP, IMO.

As for data download, I downloaded each file to excel 2010. Then filtered out Place bets, missing data etc. then did a multiple copy (52 workbooks) to a single excel workbook. I think excel 2010 is good for 1 mill rows. I was surprised how well it went. I used excel forums to solve all my filtering questions and never had to resort to VBA, phew! I use the files from Betfair.com.au, as the UK files are huge. Still lots of missing info though, but only usually remote trotting tracks in NZ.

I don't agree with unlimited funds though. Just a conservative 1% of Bank, whatever size, and NO Martingale! Just bet multiple overlays in every race if found, to get that turnover happening. The overlay % will pull you through. Run of Outs is your next mental hurdle to overcome.

[Chrome Prince]

What's the website address RP?
Can't find it, only the UK, AUS, RSA, USA site?

[Rinconpaul]

Data.betfair.com.au Tote data

[jose]

"there's a reason they don't want punters to see past fluctuations "

In the 80's in a regional Qld town one of the 2 newsagancies was owned by one of the local bookmakers. He wouldn't get the Best Bets in on a Friday because he reckoned the punters were getting too well informed!

[FredTheMug]

But out of every move comes a positive, there's a reason they don't want punters to see past fluctuations and that makes me determined to find out why!

Maybe the bookies are just lazy. Perhaps their database got too full and they just turned off the historical part of it.

[blackdog1]

Maybe the bookies are just lazy. Perhaps their database got too full and they just turned off the historical part of it.give me strength!

[Rinconpaul]

I think they might be not keeping them anymore as their relevance compared to online bookie, exchange and tote prices is becoming more and more out of whack and a total embarrassment. Particularly the weekday country tracks.

Look at Casino yesterday. They had single open/close prices about longshots of $21 or $31, for horses priced at $61 or $81 everywhere else! In fact at Casino, rough rule of thumb, was final flucs were about 60% of Fixed price bookies or totes. The only horse where they (how many bookies were there?) winged it was Pocket Princess that won the last race. $21 open/final fluc, $73 best tote.

Analysis of Flucs is fast losing it's viability IMO, weekdays.

[stugots]

hmm, maybe I have been posting in Swahili, checkout topsports, flucs back to 2011....

[Rinconpaul]

hmm, maybe I have been posting in Swahili, checkout topsports, flucs back to 2011....

Ninyi vibaya mimi stugots, Swahili for, "You misunderstood me stugots"....lol, but you'd know that, hey?

I'm not confirming or denying the availability of records, what I meant to say was, they're not the same value as they were in the past. An country oncourse bookie's probably got such a small float nowadays, that a punter wanting to have $5 on a longshot could wipe them, hence only offering $21.

[stugots]

Was refering to this thread in general, not you specifically RP so no misunderstanding here, the records are there if anyone wants them

Oh & you are all welcome:)

[Chrome Prince]

Thanks stugots, they will be useful. except the damn navigation, everytime you hit back button you have to start all over again with the date picker. won't let you go race to race on the day.
But it's better than nowt ;)

I don't speak Swahili. but do remember Swami Sarasvati on the tele lol.

[garyf]

Thanks stugots, they will be useful. except the damn navigation, everytime you hit back button you have to start all over again with the date picker. won't let you go race to race on the day.
But it's better than nowt ;)

I don't speak Swahili. but do remember Swami Sarasvati on the tele lol.


This will help with SAT-M/WEEK METRO- P/HOL to some extent,
You can get each race by hitting the back button unfortunately,
I don't think he bets outside of the Metro race day's.

Do what you are doing with TOP-SPORT to find results.

https://www.vicbet.com/todays_racing.asp?racedate=today


Cheers.

[garyf]

This will help with SAT-M/WEEK METRO- P/HOL to some extent,
You can get each race by hitting the back button unfortunately,
I don't think he bets outside of the Metro race day's.

Do what you are doing with TOP-SPORT to find results.

https://www.vicbet.com/todays_racing.asp?racedate=today


Cheers.

Better still you can at least go back to January.

Click racing results on left.
Top right (Change Date)
Select Meeting
Click race no's.
Scroll way down the bottom for fluctuations.

Think they cover most days.

https://www.bookmaker.com.au/racing/


Cheers.

[garyf]

Forgot to mention CP.

Bookmakers .com the fluctuations are colour coded.

BLACK= OPEN.
GREEN= SHORTENED.
RED= LENGTHENED.

Good luck with it all.

Cheers.
Garyf.

[Chrome Prince]

No worries thanks also garyf, copy paste is sending me mental, but hey it works :D

[stugots]

Just a side note - it's good to see that recently there has been fluctuations from most of the West Aust regional tracks, eg Kalgoorlie today is covered.

[Chrome Prince]

Hmmm wonder how many bookies are on track there, anyone know?

[stugots]

Not sure CP but would guess it is more than one as the markets are usually not too bad in comparison to others in QLD/NSW, which to be kind are a disgrace.

[Chrome Prince]

Disgrace is actually kind looking at their robbing percentages >_<

[ixlat0]

thx guys for info re bookies that keep historical fluctuations data -- excellent!

have the best day :)