2015 Melbourne Cup

[Sands]

Initial nominations available on Tuesday 1-Sep-2015

[grizzle]

won't be the same this year without Bart :(

[darkydog2002]

One hopes they will consider renaming it the "The Bart Cummings Melbourne Cup"

A fitting tribute to a great trainer.

Cheers

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Current nominations

No Horse Trainer
1 Agent Murphy (GB) Brian Meehan
2 Albonetti Sue Jaensch
3 Almoonqith (USA) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig
4 Amralah (Ire) Robert Hickmott
5 Astronomos (GB) David Vandyke
6 Awesome Rock Leon & Troy Corstens
7 Beaten Up (GB) Chris Waller
8 Big Orange (GB) Michael Bell
9 Bikila Pat Carey
10 Bohemian Lily (NZ) Gai Waterhouse
11 Bold Sniper (GB) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig
12 Bondeiger Danny O'Brien
13 Bondi Beach (Ire) Aidan O'Brien
14 Bonfire (GB) Gai Waterhouse
15 Brigantin (USA) Jim Litt
16 Bring Something Ken Keys
17 Brown Panther (GB) Tom Dascombe
18 Cafe Society (Fr) Gai Waterhouse
19 Carlo Bugatti (Ire) Robert Hickmott
20 Celtic Prince (NZ) Bjorn Baker
21 Clondaw Warrior (Ire) William Mullins
22 Complacent John O'Shea
23 Count Of Limonade (Ire) Darren Weir
24 Crafty Cruiser Bryce Stanaway
25 Criterion (NZ) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig
26 Dandino (GB) Darren Weir
27 De Little Engine Danny O'Brien
28 Desert Road Robbie Laing
29 Diaghan (Fr) Peter G Moody
30 Dibayani (Ire) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig
31 Disclaimer (GB) Peter & Paul Snowden
32 Disposition Lee & Anthony Freedman
33 Divan (NZ) Robert Hickmott
34 Don Doremo (NZ) Robbie Laing
35 Doumaran (Fr) Robert Hickmott
36 Elhaame (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor
37 Emerald City David Vandyke
38 Epsom Hill (Swe) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig
39 Escado Matt Laurie
40 Ethiopia Pat Carey
41 Excess Knowledge (GB) Gai Waterhouse
42 Falamonte (NZ) Henry Dwyer
43 Fame Game (Jpn) Yo********ada Munakata
44 Fields Of Athenry (Ire) Aidan O'Brien
45 Flamingo Star (Ger) Chris Waller
46 Forever Now (GB) Martyn Meade
47 Foundry (Ire) Robert Hickmott
48 Gailo Chop (Fr) Antoine de Watrigant
49 Gallante (Ire) Robert Hickmott
50 Genuine Lad Robert Smerdon
51 Gerontius David Hayes & Tom Dabernig
52 Gesemi (NZ) Murray Baker
53 Ghost Protocol (Ire) Paul Perry
54 Grand Marshal (GB) Chris Waller
55 Guardini (Fr) Paul Harley
56 Gust Of Wind (NZ) John Sargent
57 Happy As Hell Terry & Karina O'Sullivan
58 Happy Trails Paul Beshara
59 Hartnell (GB) John O'Shea
60 Hauraki John O'Shea
61 Havana Beat (Ire) Andrew Balding
62 Havana Cooler (Ire) John O'Shea
63 Hi World Peter G Moody
64 Hidden Gold (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor
65 High Midnight James Cummings
66 Hokko Brave (Jpn) Yasutoshi Matsunaga
67 Ihtsahymn Patrick Payne
68 Kapour (Ire) Ciaron Maher
69 King Kinshasa (GB) Gai Waterhouse
70 Kingdoms (NZ) Brian Smith
71 Kingfisher (Ire) Aidan O'Brien
72 Kirramosa (NZ) John Sargent
73 La Amistad Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes
74 Let's Make Adeal Nigel Blackiston
75 Libran (Ire) Alan Swinbank
76 Like A Carousel Ken Keys
77 Lord Van Percy (GB) Darren Weir
78 Magic Hurricane (Ire) John O'Shea
79 Magicool Mark Kavanagh
80 Magnapal Terry & Karina O'Sullivan
81 Manalapan (Ire) Dermot K Weld
82 Manndawi (Fr) Ed Dunlop
83 Master Of Arts (NZ) Darren Weir
84 Maurus (GB) David Vandyke
85 Max Dynamite (Fr) William Mullins
86 Maygrove Murray Baker
87 Mister Impatience (GB) Michael Moroney
88 Mongolian Khan Murray Baker
89 Mutual Regard (Ire) John Sadler
90 ********r (NZ) James Cummings
91 Observational (GB) Robert Hickmott
92 Opinion (Ire) Chris Waller
93 Orbec (Fr) John P Thompson
94 Order Of St George (Ire) Aidan O'Brien
95 Oriental Fox (Ger) Mark Johnston
96 Our Ivanhowe (Ger) Lee & Anthony Freedman
97 Pondarosa Miss (NZ) Peter Hollinshead
98 Pop 'N' Scotch Liam Birchley
99 Pornichet (Fr) Gai Waterhouse
100 Precedence (NZ) James Cummings
101 Preferment (NZ) Chris Waller
102 Prince Cheri (Fr) David Vandyke
103 Prince Of Penzance (NZ) Darren Weir
104 Protectionist (Ger) Kris Lees
105 Purple Smile David Hayes & Tom Dabernig
106 Quest For More (Ire) Roger Charlton
107 Red Cadeaux (GB) Ed Dunlop
108 Refectory (Ire) Richard Laming
109 Rising Romance (NZ) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig
110 Royal Descent Chris Waller
111 Ruling Dynasty James Cummings
112 San Padre Michael Kent
113 Sasenkile Tony McEvoy
114 Secret Number (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor
115 Sense Of Occasion Joseph Pride
116 Sertorius Jamie Edwards
117 Set Square Ciaron Maher
118 Silverball (Fr) Chris Waller
119 Simenon (Ire) William Mullins
120 Sir Mako (NZ) Chris Waller
121 Sky Hunter (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor
122 Snow Sky (GB) Sir Michael Stoute
123 Taiyoo Darren Weir
124 Tall Ship (Ire) Darren Weir
125 The Offer (Ire) Gai Waterhouse
126 The United States (Ire) Robert Hickmott
127 Thunder Lady (NZ) John Sargent
128 Thunder Set Vince Jones
129 Trip To Paris (Ire) Ed Dunlop
130 Turner Bayou (NZ) Patrick Payne
131 Velox (GB) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig
132 Wadi Al Hattawi (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor
133 Weary (Fr) Chris Waller
134 Who Shot Thebarman (NZ) Chris Waller
135 Wicklow Brave (GB) William Mullins
136 Zadon Robbie Griffiths
137 Zafayan (Ire) Dermot K Weld
138 Zanteca (NZ) Darren Weir
139 Zarzali James Cummings
140 Zee Zeely (GB) Gai Waterhouse

[rhino82]

Last years winner Protectionist resumed Saturday in the Tramway Stakes
Although finishing 2nd-last was only beaten 4.7L

[darkydog2002]

Post moderated. Flaming. Moderator.

[Sands]

Last years winner Protectionist resumed Saturday in the Tramway Stakes
Although finishing 2nd-last was only beaten 4.7L
You can get at least 25/1 EW this morning (All in, 4 places)

[Sands]

Japanese stayer Fame Game has firmed from $18 into $9 fave
Expected to run in the Caulfield & Melbourne Cups
Fame Game is a dual winner of the Grade 3 Diamond Stakes (3400m) and will carry the colours worn by Delta Blues when he won the 2006 Melbourne Cup

[Rogan Josh]

Brown Panther won't be making the trip down under. Suffered a compound fracture of his hind leg, in Sunday’s Irish St Leger. Unfortunately had to be put down.

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Nominations update / weights

No Horse Trainer Weight
1 Protectionist (Ger) Kris Lees 58
2 Snow Sky (GB) Sir Michael Stoute 58
3 Criterion (NZ) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 57.5
4 Fame Game (Jpn) Yo********ada Munakata 57
5 Our Ivanhowe (Ger) Lee & Anthony Freedman 56
6 Hartnell (GB) John O'Shea 55.5
7 Hokko Brave (Jpn) Yasutoshi Matsunaga 55.5
8 Big Orange (GB) Michael Bell 55.5
9 Gailo Chop (Fr) Antoine de Watrigant 55.5
10 Happy Trails Paul Beshara 55.5
11 Mongolian Khan Murray Baker 55
12 Red Cadeaux (GB) Ed Dunlop 55
13 Trip To Paris (Ire) Ed Dunlop 55
14 Max Dynamite (Fr) William Mullins 55
15 Pornichet (Fr) Gai Waterhouse 55
16 Who Shot Thebarman (NZ) Chris Waller 54.5
17 Order Of St George (Ire) Aidan O'Brien 54
18 The Offer (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 54
19 Sky Hunter (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 54
20 Complacent John O'Shea 54
21 Preferment (NZ) Chris Waller 53.5
22 Grand Marshal (GB) Chris Waller 53.5
23 Gallante (Ire) Robert Hickmott 53.5
24 Quest For More (Ire) Roger Charlton 53.5
25 Royal Descent Chris Waller 53.5
26 Rising Romance (NZ) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 53
27 Hauraki John O'Shea 53
28 Kingfisher (Ire) Aidan O'Brien 53
29 Dibayani (Ire) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 53
30 Prince Of Penzance (NZ) Darren Weir 53
31 Taiyoo Darren Weir 53
32 Bondi Beach (Ire) Aidan O'Brien 52.5
33 Sertorius Jamie Edwards 52.5
34 Beaten Up (GB) Chris Waller 52.5
35 Secret Number (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 52.5
36 Dandino (GB) Darren Weir 52.5
37 Weary (Fr) Chris Waller 52.5
38 Magicool Mark Kavanagh 52
39 Almoonqith (USA) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 52
40 Wicklow Brave (GB) William Mullins 52
41 Guardini (Fr) Paul Harley 52
42 Bonfire (GB) Gai Waterhouse 52
43 Loresho (Fr) Jean-Claude Rouget 52
44 Flamingo Star (Ger) Chris Waller 52
45 Precedence (NZ) James Cummings 52
46 Bondeiger Danny O'Brien 51.5
47 Opinion (Ire) Chris Waller 51.5
48 Amralah (Ire) Robert Hickmott 51.5
49 Fields Of Athenry (Ire) Aidan O'Brien 51
50 Gust Of Wind (NZ) John Sargent 51
51 Set Square Ciaron Maher 51
52 Mutual Regard (Ire) John Sadler 51
53 Like A Carousel Ken Keys 51
54 Escado Matt Laurie 51
55 Oriental Fox (Ger) Mark Johnston 51
56 Simenon (Ire) William Mullins 51
57 Crafty Cruiser Bryce Stanaway 51
58 Forever Now (GB) Martyn Meade 51
59 Havana Beat (Ire) Andrew Balding 51
60 Clondaw Warrior (Ire) William Mullins 51
61 Disposition Lee & Anthony Freedman 51
62 Hi World Peter G Moody 51
63 Excess Knowledge (GB) Gai Waterhouse 51
64 Observational (GB) Robert Hickmott 51
65 Silverball (Fr) Chris Waller 51
66 Pondarosa Miss (NZ) Peter Hollinshead 50.5
67 Bring Something Ken Keys 50.5
68 Tall Ship (Ire) Darren Weir 50.5
69 Sense Of Occasion Joseph Pride 50.5
70 Lord Van Percy (GB) Darren Weir 50.5
71 Kirramosa (NZ) John Sargent 50.5
72 Chance To Dance (Ire) Robert Hickmott 50.5
73 Prince Cheri (Fr) David Vandyke 50.5
74 Wadi Al Hattawi (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor 50.5
75 Thunder Lady (NZ) John Sargent 50
76 Hidden Gold (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor 50
77 La Amistad Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 50
78 Genuine Lad Robert Smerdon 50
79 Disclaimer (GB) Peter & Paul Snowden 50
80 Renew (Ire) Archie Alexander 50
81 Maygrove Murray Baker 50
82 Mister Impatience (GB) Michael Moroney 50
83 Celtic Prince (NZ) Bjorn Baker 50
84 Brigantin (USA) Jim Litt 50
85 Ihtsahymn Patrick Payne 50
86 Kapour (Ire) Ciaron Maher 50
87 Orbec (Fr) John P Thompson 50
88 Kingdoms (NZ) Brian Smith 50
89 Let's Make Adeal Nigel Blackiston 50
90 Cafe Society (Fr) Gai Waterhouse 50
91 Bohemian Lily (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 50
92 Albonetti Sue Jaensch 50
93 Astronomos (GB) David Vandyke 50
94 Awesome Rock Leon & Troy Corstens 50
95 Bikila Pat Carey 50
96 Bold Sniper (GB) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 50
97 Carlo Bugatti (Ire) Robert Hickmott 50
98 Count Of Limonade (Ire) Darren Weir 50
99 De Little Engine Danny O'Brien 50
100 Desert Road Robbie Laing 50
101 Diaghan (Fr) Peter G Moody 50
102 Divan (NZ) Robert Hickmott 50
103 Don Doremo (NZ) Robbie Laing 50
104 Doumaran (Fr) Robert Hickmott 50
105 Elhaame (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor 50
106 Emerald City David Vandyke 50
107 Epsom Hill (Swe) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 50
108 Ethiopia Pat Carey 50
109 Falamonte (NZ) Henry Dwyer 50
110 Foundry (Ire) Robert Hickmott 50
111 Gerontius David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 50
112 Gesemi (NZ) Murray Baker 50
113 Ghost Protocol (Ire) Paul Perry 50
114 Happy As Hell Terry & Karina O'Sullivan 50
115 Havana Cooler (Ire) John O'Shea 50
116 High Midnight James Cummings 50
117 King Kinshasa (GB) Gai Waterhouse 50
118 Libran (Ire) Alan Swinbank 50
119 Magic Hurricane (Ire) John O'Shea 50
120 Magnapal Terry & Karina O'Sullivan 50
121 Manalapan (Ire) Dermot K Weld 50
122 Manndawi (Fr) Ed Dunlop 50
123 Master Of Arts (NZ) Darren Weir 50
124 Maurus (GB) David Vandyke 50
125 ********r (NZ) James Cummings 50
126 Pop 'N' Scotch Liam Birchley 50
127 Purple Smile David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 50
128 Refectory (Ire) Richard Laming 50
129 Ruling Dynasty James Cummings 50
130 Ruscello (Ire) Archie Alexander 50
131 San Padre Michael Kent 50
132 Sasenkile Tony McEvoy 50
133 Sir Mako (NZ) Chris Waller 50
134 The United States (Ire) Robert Hickmott 50
135 Thunder Set Vince Jones 50
136 Turner Bayou (NZ) Patrick Payne 50
137 Velox (GB) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 50
138 Zadon Robbie Griffiths 50
139 Zafayan (Ire) Dermot K Weld 50
140 Zanteca (NZ) Darren Weir 50
141 Zarzali James Cummings 50
142 Zee Zeely (GB) Gai Waterhouse 50

[jimbob]

Last years winner Protectionist resumed Saturday in the Tramway Stakes
Although finishing 2nd-last was only beaten 4.7Ldont thinik can win with the weight imo https://imageshackau.com/sports/123/b/happy.gif
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[JB1]

Last years winner Protectionist resumed Saturday in the Tramway Stakes
Although finishing 2nd-last was only beaten 4.7L
Protectionist well beaten in the George Main Stakes since but trainer Kris Lees happy with his progress. Expecting a better effort in the Turnbull Stakes next.

[rhino82]

Japanese stayer Fame Game has firmed from $18 into $9 fave
Expected to run in the Caulfield & Melbourne Cups
Fame Game is a dual winner of the Grade 3 Diamond Stakes (3400m) and will carry the colours worn by Delta Blues when he won the 2006 Melbourne Cup
Big wraps Order of St George, a highly promising Irish-bred stayer from the Aidan O'Brien stable & current 2nd favourite for the big one. Not a guaranteed starter, but he's entered quarantine in Ireland so the signs are positive at this stage.

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Latest nominations

No Horse Trainer Weight
1 Protectionist (Ger) Kris Lees 58
2 Snow Sky (GB) Sir Michael Stoute 58
3 Criterion (NZ) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 57.5
4 Fame Game (Jpn) Yo********ada Munakata 57
5 Our Ivanhowe (Ger) Lee & Anthony Freedman 56
6 Hartnell (GB) John O'Shea 55.5
7 Hokko Brave (Jpn) Yasutoshi Matsunaga 55.5
8 Big Orange (GB) Michael Bell 55.5
9 Gailo Chop (Fr) Antoine de Watrigant 55.5
10 Happy Trails Paul Beshara 55.5
11 Mongolian Khan Murray Baker 55
12 Red Cadeaux (GB) Ed Dunlop 55
13 Trip To Paris (Ire) Ed Dunlop 55
14 Max Dynamite (Fr) William Mullins 55
15 Pornichet (Fr) Gai Waterhouse 55
16 Who Shot Thebarman (NZ) Chris Waller 54.5
17 Order Of St George (Ire) Aidan O'Brien 54
18 The Offer (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 54
19 Sky Hunter (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 54
20 Complacent John O'Shea 54
21 Preferment (NZ) Chris Waller 53.5
22 Grand Marshal (GB) Chris Waller 53.5
23 Gallante (Ire) Robert Hickmott 53.5
24 Quest For More (Ire) Roger Charlton 53.5
25 Royal Descent Chris Waller 53.5
26 Rising Romance (NZ) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 53
27 Hauraki John O'Shea 53
28 Kingfisher (Ire) Aidan O'Brien 53
29 Dibayani (Ire) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 53
30 Prince Of Penzance (NZ) Darren Weir 53
31 Taiyoo Darren Weir 53
32 Bondi Beach (Ire) Aidan O'Brien 52.5
33 Magic Hurricane (Ire) John O'Shea 52.5
34 Beaten Up (GB) Chris Waller 52.5
35 Sertorius Jamie Edwards 52.5
36 Secret Number (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 52.5
37 Dandino (GB) Darren Weir 52.5
38 Magicool Mark Kavanagh 52
39 Almoonqith (USA) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 52
40 Guardini (Fr) Lee & Anthony Freedman 52
41 Bonfire (GB) Gai Waterhouse 52
42 Precedence (NZ) James Cummings 52
43 Bondeiger Danny O'Brien 51.5
44 Opinion (Ire) Chris Waller 51.5
45 Amralah (Ire) Robert Hickmott 51.5
46 Gust Of Wind (NZ) John Sargent 51
47 Set Square Ciaron Maher 51
48 Like A Carousel Ken Keys 51
49 Escado Matt Laurie 51
50 Excess Knowledge (GB) Gai Waterhouse 51
51 Observational (GB) Robert Hickmott 51
52 Let's Make Adeal Nigel Blackiston 50.5
53 Pondarosa Miss (NZ) Peter Hollinshead 50.5
54 Chance To Dance (Ire) Robert Hickmott 50.5
55 Prince Cheri (Fr) David Vandyke 50.5
56 Thunder Lady (NZ) John Sargent 50
57 La Amistad Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes 50
58 Bohemian Lily (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 50
59 Renew (Ire) Archie Alexander 50
60 Maygrove Murray Baker 50
61 Orbec (Fr) John P Thompson 50
62 Mister Impatience (GB) Michael Moroney 50
63 Havana Cooler (Ire) John O'Shea 50
64 Kapour (Ire) Ciaron Maher 50
65 Astronomos (GB) David Vandyke 50
66 Bikila Pat Carey 50
67 Bold Sniper (GB) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 50
68 De Little Engine Danny O'Brien 50
69 Don Doremo (NZ) Robbie Laing 50
70 Elhaame (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor 50
71 Epsom Hill (Swe) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 50
72 Ethiopia Pat Carey 50
73 Foundry (Ire) Robert Hickmott 50
74 High Midnight James Cummings 50
75 Manalapan (Ire) Ciaron Maher 50
76 ********r (NZ) James Cummings 50
77 Pop 'N' Scotch Liam Birchley 50
78 Purple Smile David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 50
79 Ruling Dynasty James Cummings 50
80 The United States (Ire) Robert Hickmott 50
81 Thunder Set Vince Jones 50
82 Zanteca (NZ) Darren Weir 50

[Sands]

Current odds <100/1

Fame Game 7.50
Preferment 9.00
Who Shot Thebarman 12.00
Mongolian Khan 13.00
Amralah 15.00
Dandino 15.00
Hokko Brave 17.00
Criterion 17.00
Bondi Beach 17.00
Our Ivanhowe 17.00
Max Dynamite 17.00
Kingfisher 21.00
Set Square 21.00
Hartnell 21.00
Sky Hunter 21.00
Snow Sky 26.00
Complacent 26.00
Magic Hurricane 26.00
Pornichet 26.00
Secret Number 26.00
Hauraki 26.00
Gust Of Wind 26.00
Trip To Paris 26.00
Protectionist 34.00
Big Orange 34.00
Grand Marshal 34.00
Red Cadeaux 34.00
Rising Romance 34.00
Lets Make Adeal 41.00
Excess Knowledge 51.00
Prince Of Penzance 51.00
Royal Descent 51.00
Almoonqith 67.00
Elhaame 67.00
Gailo Chop 67.00
Beaten Up 81.00
Quest For More 81.00

[Sands]

1.0kg penalty Mongolian Khan now 56kg
2.0kg penalty Amralah now 53.5kg

[jimmyz]

Fame Game looks a top chance in this. All the better for his 1st up run in the Caulfield Cup. Has a good 2nd up record. Will run the distance. 2 wins 3400m. Last try 3200m, 2nd strong Tenno Sho carrying 58kg.

[jake]

Big wraps Order of St George, a highly promising Irish-bred stayer from the Aidan O'Brien stable & current 2nd favourite for the big one. Not a guaranteed starter, but he's entered quarantine in Ireland so the signs are positive at this stage.
..hey rhino82..if you fancied order of st george..a non starter i believe..then you would have to give consideration to bondi beach ($21)
..bondi beach narrowly beat order of st george in the curragh cup..over 2800m
..2nd twice since..2400m & 2900m
..nicely weighted on 52.5kgs & assured of a start (7th order of entry)

[Sands]

Wednesday’s Geelong Cup winner, Almoonqith, 1kg penalty, will now carry 53kg

[UselessBettor]

Fame Game looks a top chance in this. All the better for his 1st up run in the Caulfield Cup. Has a good 2nd up record. Will run the distance. 2 wins 3400m. Last try 3200m, 2nd strong Tenno Sho carrying 58kg.

Agree fully. It was the eye catcher in the Caulfield cup as far as Melbourne cup potential. $4.80 is low odds but its probably spot on as its got a great chance.

[Sands]

Protectionist pulled-up from his Caulfield Cup run with severe bone bruising
Gone to the paddock, for at least six months

[kiwiz]

Let's Make Adeal another casualty
Ruled out from the race through injury after trackwork recently

[Sands]

2.5kg penalty The United States now 52.5kg

[Sands]

Latest nominations

No Horse Trainer Weight
1 Snow Sky (GB) Sir Michael Stoute 58
2 Criterion (NZ) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 57.5
3 Fame Game (Jpn) Yo********ada Munakata 57
4 Mongolian Khan Murray Baker 56
5 Our Ivanhowe (Ger) Lee & Anthony Freedman 56
6 Hartnell (GB) John O'Shea 55.5
7 Hokko Brave (Jpn) Yasutoshi Matsunaga 55.5
8 Big Orange (GB) Michael Bell 55.5
9 Trip To Paris (Ire) Ed Dunlop 55
10 Red Cadeaux (GB) Ed Dunlop 55
11 Max Dynamite (Fr) William Mullins 55
12 Who Shot Thebarman (NZ) Chris Waller 54.5
13 The Offer (Ire) Gai Waterhouse 54
14 Sky Hunter (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 54
15 Preferment (NZ) Chris Waller 53.5
16 Grand Marshal (GB) Chris Waller 53.5
17 Quest For More (Ire) Roger Charlton 53.5
18 Amralah (Ire) Robert Hickmott 53.5
19 Kingfisher (Ire) Aidan O'Brien 53
20 Almoonqith (USA) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig 53
21 Prince Of Penzance (NZ) Darren Weir 53
22 Bondi Beach (Ire) Aidan O'Brien 52.5
23 Beaten Up (GB) Chris Waller 52.5
24 Sertorius Jamie Edwards 52.5
25 The United States (Ire) Robert Hickmott 52.5
26 Secret Number (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor 52.5
27 Dandino (GB) Darren Weir 52.5
28 Gust Of Wind (NZ) John Sargent 51
29 Like A Carousel Ken Keys 51
30 Excess Knowledge (GB) Gai Waterhouse 51
31 Pondarosa Miss (NZ) Peter Hollinshead 50.5
32 Chance To Dance (Ire) Robert Hickmott 50.5
33 Thunder Lady (NZ) John Sargent 50
34 Bohemian Lily (NZ) Gai Waterhouse 50
35 Havana Cooler (Ire) John O'Shea 50
36 Ruling Dynasty James Cummings 50
37 De Little Engine Danny O'Brien 50
38 Elhaame (Ire) Saeed Bin Suroor 50
39 Ethiopia Pat Carey 50
40 High Midnight James Cummings 50
41 Thunder Set Vince Jones 50
42 Zanteca (NZ) Darren Weir 50

[grizzle]

1.0kg penalty Mongolian Khan now 56kg
2.0kg penalty Amralah now 53.5kg
Mongolian Khan recently suffered a bout of colic
won't take his place in the cup

[Sands]

The Offer has not been penalised for his Bendigo Cup win
Remains at 54kg

[Sands]

Final Field

No. Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 Snow Sky (GB) Sir Michael Stoute Ryan Moore 16 58
2 Criterion (NZ) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig Michael Walker 4 57.5
3 Fame Game (Jpn) Yo********ada Munakata Zac Purton 12 57
4 Our Ivanhowe (Ger) Lee & Anthony Freedman Ben Melham 22 56
5 Big Orange (GB) Michael Bell Jamie Spencer 23 55.5
6 Hartnell (GB) John O'Shea James McDonald 17 55.5
7 Hokko Brave (Jpn) Yasutoshi Matsunaga Craig Williams 20 55.5
8 Max Dynamite (Fr) William Mullins Frankie Dettori 2 55
9 Red Cadeaux (GB) Ed Dunlop Gerald Mosse 8 55
10 Trip To Paris (Ire) Ed Dunlop Tommy Berry 14 55
11 Who Shot Thebarman (NZ) Chris Waller Blake Shinn 6 54.5
12 Sky Hunter (GB) Saeed Bin Suroor William Buick 7 54
13 The Offer (Ire) Gai Waterhouse Damien Oliver 13 54
14 Grand Marshal (GB) Chris Waller Jim Cassidy 15 53.5
15 Preferment (NZ) Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 11 53.5
16 Quest For More (Ire) Roger Charlton Damian Lane 21 53.5
17 Almoonqith (USA) David Hayes & Tom Dabernig Dwayne Dunn 10 53
18 Kingfisher (Ire) Aidan O'Brien Colm O'Donoghue 9 53
19 Prince Of Penzance (NZ) Darren Weir Michelle Payne 1 53
20 Bondi Beach (Ire) Aidan O'Brien Brett Prebble 18 52.5
21 Sertorius Jamie Edwards Craig Newitt 5 52.5
22 The United States (Ire) Robert Hickmott Joao Moreira 3 52.5
23 Excess Knowledge (GB) Gai Waterhouse Kerrin McEvoy 24 51
24 Gust Of Wind (NZ) John Sargent Chad Schofield 19 51

[UselessBettor]

Well I went through my systems for Melb Cup.

They have a 90% strike rate within the selections.

They only came up with 3 selections this year :

The United States
Our Ivanhoe
Hartnell

On top of this I will throw in 2 selections to cover those which the market rates well :

Fame Game
Max Dynamite

Those are the 5 selections if staked to return $100 then :

The United States $5
Our Ivanhoe $4
Hartnell $3

Total : $12 to win $100

but with these:
Fame Game $25
Max Dynamite $8

$45 to win $100.

[Sandgroper]

Interesting stats courtesy racenet:

The trainer: Lee Freedman (5 wins) (Note: He now trains in partnership with his brother Anthony) - Our Ivanhowe (No. 4)

The jockey: Damien Oliver (3 wins) – The Offer (No. 13)

The owner: Lloyd Williams (4 wins) – Kingfisher (No. 18), Bondi Beach (No. 20) and The United States (No. 22)

The saddlecloth: 4 and 12 (11 wins) – Our Ivanhowe (No. 4), Sky Hunter (No. 12)

The barrier: 11 (8 wins) – Preferment (No. 15)

The age and sex: 5YO E&G (41 wins) – Snow Sky (No. 1), Criterion (No. 2), Big Orange (No. 5), Hartnell (No. 6), Trip To Paris (No. 10), Kingfisher (No. 18)

[Sands]

Current odds

1 Snow Sky $51
2 Criterion $17
3 Fame Game $6
4 Our Ivanhowe $22
5 Big Orange $51
6 Hartnell $34
7 Hokko Brave $34
8 Max Dynamite $13
9 Red Cadeaux $26
10 Trip To Paris $8.50
11 Who Shot Thebarman $21
12 Sky Hunter $42
13 The Offer $26
14 Grand Marshal $41
15 Preferment $11
16 Quest For More $81
17 Almoonqith $18
18 Kingfisher $65
19 Prince Of Penzance $85
20 Bondi Beach $34
21 Sertorius $91
22 The United States $26
23 Excess Knowledge $35

[UselessBettor]

Well I went through my systems for Melb Cup.

They have a 90% strike rate within the selections.

They only came up with 3 selections this year :

The United States
Our Ivanhoe
Hartnell

On top of this I will throw in 2 selections to cover those which the market rates well :

Fame Game
Max Dynamite

Those are the 5 selections if staked to return $100 then :

The United States $5
Our Ivanhoe $4
Hartnell $3

Total : $12 to win $100

but with these:
Fame Game $25
Max Dynamite $8

$45 to win $100.



Scrap this. Don't know what I was looking at but here are the correct horses:

I have them in order here :

Trip To Paris
Our Ivanhoe
Preferrment
The United States
Almoonqith
Who Shot The Barman

[JB1]

My Top 4

10 Trip To Paris
3 Fame Game
4 Our Ivanhowe
8 Max Dynamite

[JB1]

Best Outsiders

5 Big Orange
16 Quest For More
18 Kingfisher

[Sandgroper]

For consideration, nine runners have won at 3200 metres or more, they are:-

3 Fame Game
5 Big Orange
6 Hartnell
8 Max Dynamite
10 Trip To Paris
11 Who Shot Thebarman
13 The Offer
14 Grand Marshal
16 Quest For More

[jimmyz]

My top 4 for the raffle

N3 Fame Game
N15 Preferment
N10 Trip To Paris
N11 Who Shot Thebarman

[jimmyz]

Best Outsiders

5 Big Orange
16 Quest For More
18 Kingfisher
My Roughies

N9 Red Cadeaux
N20 Bondi Beach
N23 Excess Knowledge

[jake]

My top 4 for the raffle

N3 Fame Game
N15 Preferment
N10 Trip To Paris
N11 Who Shot Thebarman

..mine (top4) in the raffle..tab no. order
..no. 3. fame game
..no. 10 trip to paris
..no. 15 preferment
..no. 17. almoonqith

[jake]

My Roughies

N9 Red Cadeaux
N20 Bondi Beach
N23 Excess Knowledge
..mine (roughies) in the raffle..tab no. order
..no. 1 snow sky
..no. 9 red cadeaux
..no. 24 gust of wind

[Sandgroper]

These horses in particular should appreciate the Good4 today

Big Orange
Quest For More
Almoonqith
Prince Of Penzance

Fame Game all his starts have been on good or firm tracks

[grizzle]

3. Fame Game $5.50
10. Trip To Paris $7.50
4. Our Ivanhowe $9.50
15. Preferment $9.50
8. Max Dynamite $10.50
11. Who Shot Thebarman $13
17. Almoonqith $13.50
2. Criterion $14
9. Red Cadeaux $16
23. Excess Knowledge $17
22. The United States $17.50
20. Bondi Beach $18
13. The Offer $22
6. Hartnell $24
24. Gust Of Wind $25
1. Snow Sky $28
12. Sky Hunter $29.50
18. Kingfisher $32
5. Big Orange $35
7. Hokko Brave $35
16. Quest For More $40
14. Grand Marshal $47
19. Prince Of Penzance $60
21. Sertorius $90

[walkermac]

Here's my go. Combining computer ratings and human tweaks:

1 - Fame Game
The deserved favourite, but probably not as strong a chance as the odds would suggest. The popularity is for two reasons: his run in the Caulfield Cup, and his run in the Tenno Sho. Both of these saw Fame Game absolutely flying late, spectacularly swerving through runners – but neither resulted in victory. Today’s barrier draw gives him opportunity to find good position, save gas and finish in his trademark style, but he’ll still need luck in running. His record at Group 1 & 2 races show how hit and miss his finishing style is, with only 1 victory (and 2 places) from 10 races. In his favour is his strong record at the distance (where many runners in this field have not even attempted it before), the strength of his competitors in Japanese staying racing and that – if he gets clear running – he has the best finish in the race. Should still be favourite, but at odds around $7-$8 (the < $4 on offer earlier in the week was just silly)

2 - Trip To Paris
The market is a bit closer to getting the price right with second favourite Trip To Paris. His run in the Caulfield Cup was nearly as eye-opening as Fame Game’s, but it resulted in an actual (narrow) second placing. Trip To Paris has one of the best records at the race distance with 3 wins and 2 placings from 6 starts. Boasting a far better record at group level (1w-2p/4 G1 and G2’s) and racing in a handier position, he probably deserves equal favouritism. I think my top 2 are a margin ahead of the rest of the field; so long as they get clear running they'll give it a shake.

3 - Criterion
Criterion has had a fantastic return to Australia: winning the Caulfield Stakes and finishing second to Winx in the Cox Plate. That he is one of the country’s premier middle distance runners (if not *the* premier racer) is not in question, what is in question: can he make 3200m? His victory at 2400m on a heavy track in the Australian Derby last year seems to imply he might; the record of his siblings, along with the record of his sire’s progeny, says that he’s pushing the limits as it is. He has a potentially great barrier for his running style and I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Criterion leading midway down the straight. Whether he’ll have the legs or enough break on the fast finishers to stay on is another matter.

4 - Preferment
One of those fast finishers will likely be Preferment. Piloted by Australia’s most in-form jockey Hugh Bowman, who was so keen for the ride he basically hasn’t eaten this week to make the weight. Bowman’s last two rides on Preferment saw him first past the post, but they were at far shorter distances. As Criterion above, Preferment’s longest race (a victory) was over 2500m, but then only in 3yo company (the Victoria Derby). His trainer Chris Waller is in incredible form though and has shown he can target the big races.

5 - The United States
Stepping out to longer odds now, at $21 we find The United States. Hugh Bowman was actually aboard in his last race, which saw him break the Moonee Valley track record over 2500m. Hugh has shown great nous in selecting the likeliest rides, so that leaves Preferment ahead. But if you’re looking for a replacement rider, then one of the world’s best in Joao Moreira is a handy replacement. Has had one of the shortest careers in the field thus far (this is his first Group 1 race) but is certainly on the way up.

6 - Who Shot Thebarman
Third placegetter from last year’s Melbourne Cup. The winner Protectionist bombed this season and will be watching the race from a paddock someplace. Second placegetter Red Cadeaux will be in the field again, but at 10 years old is surely just here for a (near) victory lap – then again we said that last year and look what happened. Battling similarly we find Who Shot Thebarman, who hasn’t exactly been setting the track on fire this Spring. He doesn’t have a great record at the highest level of racing, but what he does have in his favour is experience at the distance, a pretty good barrier, a good record at this stage in his preparation, and leading trainer Chris Waller pulling the strings.

7 - Our Ivanhowe
Was praying for rain this week, but it looks like a dry day in Melbourne. Terrible barrier, no experience at the distance, but plenty of class. A placegetter in his last two Australian runs, he’s shown he has a big engine but is probably lacking a late finishing kick. If he chooses to go forward from his wide gate there is a chance of him being close to the lead into the straight. Then, if the early race speed wasn’t great, or any track bias is in his favour, or his chasers get held up, he could take some running down.

8 - Hartnell
Was actually the Melbourne Cup favourite up until Fame Game’s nomination, but has never really been part of the equation since. Has run and won at 3200m before but never proven adept at racing in the Victorian direction. Great at this stage of his preparation and backup, he’s only got a pass mark at Group 1/2 level though (1w-2p/7). This, along with a poor barrier and middling form of late, shuffles him down the order – in spite of his ability.

9 - Bondi Beach
The youngest and least experienced runner in the field. Only 5 races into his career, it’s a wonder he got an invite. He has certainly shown some talent: never finishing outside the top 2, nor further than 0.5 lengths from the leader (and beaten some proven stars along the way). One almost gets the feeling that this is more of a reconnaissance mission that a real tilt. Never ran in a field greater than 9 runners and drew an average barrier, but has plenty of potential. Likely too soon.

10 – Snow Sky
The topweight doesn’t have a great record in the Melbourne Cup, and this guy certainly isn’t demanding I include him in my top 10 picks. He’s part of a bunch (including Excess Knowledge, Almoonqith and Grand Marshal) that are at about the same level. Snow Sky gets the nod given he’s second up and shows every indication of running out the distance.

[Sportz]

Hey Walkermac, you should be posting today in our tipping comp.

[kumite]

normally only play exotics this race

Criterion
Fame Game
Hartnell
Hokko Brave
Trip To Paris
The United States

[rhino82]

Top 6 from me

Fame Game
Trip To Paris
Preferment
The Offer
Almoonqith
Criterion

[rhino82]

Outsiders worth a look

Red Cadeaux
Sky Hunter
Grand Marshal

[Sands]

Firmers

2. Criterion $20 into $18
9. Red Cadeaux $31 into $21
10. Trip To Paris $8 into $6.50
15. Preferment $10 into $9
21. Sertorius $101 into $81

[Sands]

In retrospect, inside barriers were the go.

[Rogan Josh]

These horses in particular should appreciate the Good4 today

Big Orange
Quest For More
Almoonqith
Prince Of Penzance

Fame Game all his starts have been on good or firm tracks
Thankfully saw your post, cheers mate :)

[kiwiz]

Missed all the action,,was still recovering from the RWC :)
First & third in the Cup foaled & reared in NZ ;)
Prince of Penzance (Rich Hill Stud)
Criterion (Blandford Lodge)

[Rogan Josh]

Sad news, Red Cadeaux has been euthanased due to the injury sustained in the Melbourne Cup earlier this month.

Pulled up in the final straight of this year's race & it was later confirmed he suffered a break in his left foreleg.

Experts at the University of Melbourne Equine Centre, where the 'Big Red' had been staying since the race, said the loss of blood flow to the leg could not be fixed.

[darkydog2002]

Tragic news.

Thanks for sharing.
darky

[kumite]

Sad news, Red Cadeaux has been euthanased due to the injury sustained in the Melbourne Cup earlier this month.

Pulled up in the final straight of this year's race & it was later confirmed he suffered a break in his left foreleg.

Experts at the University of Melbourne Equine Centre, where the 'Big Red' had been staying since the race, said the loss of blood flow to the leg could not be fixed.
very sad Red Cadeaux didn't get to enjoy his well deserved retirement

[Sands]

These horses in particular should appreciate the Good4 today

Big Orange
Quest For More
Almoonqith
Prince Of Penzance

Fame Game all his starts have been on good or firm tracks
Hopefully you had something on PoP, Sandgroper

[Sands]

Finish No. Horse Trainer Jockey Margin Bar. Weight Starting Price
1 19 Prince Of Penzance Darren Weir Ms Michelle Payne 1 53kg $101
2 8 Max Dynamite William Mullins Frankie Dettori 0.5L 2 55kg $13
3 2 Criterion David Hayes & Tom Dabernig Michael Walker 1.25L 4 57.5kg $19
4 10 Trip To Paris Ed Dunlop Tommy Berry 2L 14 55kg $6
5 5 Big Orange Michael Bell Jamie Spencer 2.4L 23 55.5kg $61
6 24 Gust Of Wind John Sargent Chad Schofield 2.6L 19 51kg $41
7 23 Excess Knowledge Gai Waterhouse Kerrin McEvoy 3.1L 24 51kg $31
8 13 The Offer Gai Waterhouse Damien Oliver 3.3L 13 54kg $31
9 16 Quest For More Roger Charlton Damian Lane 3.8L 21 53.5kg $81
10 4 Our Ivanhowe Lee & Anthony Freedman Ben Melham 3.9L 22 56kg $21
11 11 Who Shot Thebarman Chris Waller Blake Shinn 4L 6 54.5kg $21
12 21 Sertorius Jamie Edwards Craig Newitt 4.75L 5 52.5kg $101
13 3 Fame Game Yo********ada Munakata Zac Purton 5.5L 12 57kg $5F
14 22 The United States Robert Hickmott Joao Moreira 5.7L 3 52.5kg 2.5kg $21
15 6 Hartnell John O'Shea James McDonald 5.9L 17 55.5kg $31
16 20 Bondi Beach Aidan O'Brien Brett Prebble 6.2L 18 52.5kg $21
17 7 Hokko Brave Yasutoshi Matsunaga Craig Williams 6.4L 20 55.5kg $41
18 17 Almoonqith David Hayes & Tom Dabernig Dwayne Dunn 6.9L 10 53kg 1.0kg $17
19 18 Kingfisher Aidan O'Brien Colm O'Donoghue 7L 9 53kg $61
20 15 Preferment Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 14L 11 53.5kg $9
21 14 Grand Marshal Chris Waller Jim Cassidy 14.75L 15 53.5kg $61
22 12 Sky Hunter Saeed Bin Suroor William Buick 16L 7 54kg $31
23 1 Snow Sky Sir Michael Stoute Ryan Moore 18.25L 16 58kg $51
FF 9 Red Cadeaux Ed Dunlop Gerald Mosse 8 55kg $26

[Sands]

Full result for those that missed it

Finish No. Horse Trainer Jockey Margin Bar. Weight Starting Price
1 19 Prince Of Penzance Darren Weir Ms Michelle Payne 1 53kg $101
2 8 Max Dynamite William Mullins Frankie Dettori 0.5L 2 55kg $13
3 2 Criterion David Hayes & Tom Dabernig Michael Walker 1.25L 4 57.5kg $19
4 10 Trip To Paris Ed Dunlop Tommy Berry 2L 14 55kg $6
5 5 Big Orange Michael Bell Jamie Spencer 2.4L 23 55.5kg $61
6 24 Gust Of Wind John Sargent Chad Schofield 2.6L 19 51kg $41
7 23 Excess Knowledge Gai Waterhouse Kerrin McEvoy 3.1L 24 51kg $31
8 13 The Offer Gai Waterhouse Damien Oliver 3.3L 13 54kg $31
9 16 Quest For More Roger Charlton Damian Lane 3.8L 21 53.5kg $81
10 4 Our Ivanhowe Lee & Anthony Freedman Ben Melham 3.9L 22 56kg $21
11 11 Who Shot Thebarman Chris Waller Blake Shinn 4L 6 54.5kg $21
12 21 Sertorius Jamie Edwards Craig Newitt 4.75L 5 52.5kg $101
13 3 Fame Game Yo********ada Munakata Zac Purton 5.5L 12 57kg $5F
14 22 The United States Robert Hickmott Joao Moreira 5.7L 3 52.5kg 2.5kg $21
15 6 Hartnell John O'Shea James McDonald 5.9L 17 55.5kg $31
16 20 Bondi Beach Aidan O'Brien Brett Prebble 6.2L 18 52.5kg $21
17 7 Hokko Brave Yasutoshi Matsunaga Craig Williams 6.4L 20 55.5kg $41
18 17 Almoonqith David Hayes & Tom Dabernig Dwayne Dunn 6.9L 10 53kg 1.0kg $17
19 18 Kingfisher Aidan O'Brien Colm O'Donoghue 7L 9 53kg $61
20 15 Preferment Chris Waller Hugh Bowman 14L 11 53.5kg $9
21 14 Grand Marshal Chris Waller Jim Cassidy 14.75L 15 53.5kg $61
22 12 Sky Hunter Saeed Bin Suroor William Buick 16L 7 54kg $31
23 1 Snow Sky Sir Michael Stoute Ryan Moore 18.25L 16 58kg $51
FF 9 Red Cadeaux Ed Dunlop Gerald Mosse 8 55kg $26

[Sands]

13 3 Fame Game Yo********ada Munakata Zac Purton 5.5L 12 57kg $5F
That should read

13 3 Fame Game Yosh itada Munakata Zac Purton 5.5L 12 57kg $5F

[Sands]

Runner-up Max Dynamite will be back next year according to trainer Willie Mullins
Mullins said the horse, which had mixed both jumps and flat racing this season, would be an even better chance in 12 months time
“He probably won’t jump next year and I think his main aim next year will be to come back here again."

[kiwiz]

And let's not forget that this years winner,,Prince Of Penzance,,was bred in NZ :)
Prince of Penzance is by Pentire,,a sire from Rich Hill Stud in Waikato
He was a late season foal initially going to the Karaka Yearling Sale where he was ignored by buyers around the auction ring and passed-in
Sold privately later for $50,000