Black Caviar's daughter Oscietra

[Sands]

Black Caviar's daughter Oscietra has made an impressive first public appearance, leading all the way to win a jumpout at Flemington today

The two-year-old filly by Exceed And Excel is the first foal from the champion mare Black Caviar

Ridden by Black Caviar's regular jockey Luke Nolen in today's 800m hit-out, Oscietra began quickly to lead the five-horse heat and was never headed in a performance that pleased co-trainer David Hayes

Courtesy aap

[grizzle]

see the jump out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR-7cSKftMc

[Sands]

Not sure if she has been nominated but 25/1 in the early market, Golden Slipper

[jake]

..another jump-out tomorrow

[Sands]

..another jump-out tomorrow
Won that jumpout

[The Ocho]

LITTLE Caviar Oscietra has been unable to emulate her famous mum Black Caviar by failing to win first-up down the Flemington straight.

But trainer David Hayes has predicted Oscietra will find winning ways ahead despite finishing third on debut.

[Chrome Prince]

David Hayes hinted in an interview after her trials, that she has some ability, but not sure she's anywhere near BC's grade, yet punters sent her out a short priced favourite.
After the race, Mr Hayes didn't look that disappointed, just said maybe she went too hard early and would talk to the jockey.
Based on her trials, one would probably send her out favourite, but the chances of her winning Black type races is small.
As any breeder would know, champions inherit certain genes from their parents and grandparents. The genes combine and become dominant under certain circumstances.
The point is, she'll throw some handy foals, but the chances of any one of them being a champion, are probably 100/1.
Even full brothers and sisters to champions rarely are as good for the same reason. Case in point Octagonal sired so many horses, yet Lonhro was the only one to come close, still not as good.

[Sands]

LITTLE Caviar Oscietra has been unable to emulate her famous mum Black Caviar by failing to win first-up down the Flemington straight.

But trainer David Hayes has predicted Oscietra will find winning ways ahead despite finishing third on debut.
Replay of the race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkB9CT-R-Vk

[Sands]

Replay of the race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkB9CT-R-Vk
The early form around the winner of the race, Limestone, has been excellent

[kiwiz]

Wise move for the trainer to spell Oscietra imo

[kiwiz]

Oscietra back from the paddock
Her return to the race track a few months off yet

[kiwiz]

Plan to race at the back-end of the season still on track

[kiwiz]

Finished 2nd in a jump-out at Flemington yesterday

[kiwiz]

Another jump-out,,Flemington yesterday,,ran 4th
Trainer David Hayes said to be a little disappointed

[kiwiz]

Will be sent to Lindsay Park for further education before racing again

[Sands]

Another jump-out,,Flemington yesterday,,ran 4th
Trainer David Hayes said to be a little disappointed
Watched the replay, didn't finish too far behind the winner

[kiwiz]

Yep the run didn't look too bad but Hayes concerned she didn't really settle
Hence more education

[Chrome Prince]

And how much did they pay for her? ;)

[kiwiz]

And how much did they pay for her? ;)
Too much ;)

[kiwiz]

And two more to come
A colt by Sebring & a filly by Snitzel

[kiwiz]

And two more to come
A colt by Sebring & a filly by Snitzel
The colt by Sebring has been named Prince of Caviar

[TobinBronze]

The colt by Sebring has been named Prince of Caviar
Will be trained by Team Hawkes

[TobinBronze]

Black Caviar is due to foal this year to Sebring's sire More Than Ready (USA)

[Chrome Prince]

Crikey, they're greedy trying to extract a foal every year.
My research indicates that when one uses a mare as a breeding machine, they don't have time to recover, they need at least one year off, as one prominent breeder agreed and does with great success. Otherwise the foals don't tend to get the full benefit of the vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and proper formation and conformation of highly crucial areas. If a mare doesn't have time to recover and rebuild herself (lets not forget she's lactating the whole time), this can lead to dead, slipped, or inferior foals.

[PrinceJudea]

The colt by Sebring has been named Prince of Caviar
Already nominated for the 2018 $1.5 million Ladbrokes Blue Diamond Stakes.

[Sands]

The colt by Sebring has been named Prince of Caviar

According to co-trainer Michael Hawkes, Prince of Caviar is progressing well

"He's been in the Rosehill stable to learn the system. He got to have a good look around and did everything right education wise. He's a lovely, well balanced colt."

[JB1]

Oscietra back in work

[walkermac]

Won Geelong Synthetic Race 3. Went quickly to the lead, got one length on the field at the turn then held them safely down the straight.

Next run on turf in the city. Perhaps in 3 weeks' time at Moonee Valley. Trainer Hayes confident that she'll be a black type winner.

I don't know much about conformation or strides, but I don't think it's a matter of timing or happenstance that she resumed on synthetic.

[kiwiz]

Oscietra has been nominated for both the Thousand Guineas & Caulfield Classic in October

[Chrome Prince]

Yes, but team Hayes nominate all their horses for everything, especially 2yo's, he says so himself.
He says that Catchy is as good as Miss Finland, good type of horse, but can't see it myself, he probably knows something about the horse which we haven't seen.

[JB1]

Flemington R4 tomorrow

[Chrome Prince]

Ran 9th beaten 5.2 lengths.

[kiwiz]

Gone to the spelling paddock

[Sands]

The colt by Sebring has been named Prince of Caviar
Had an easy jumpout at Flemington on Friday
Beaten three lengths, not put under any pressure

[justinfront]

Had an easy jumpout at Flemington on Friday
Beaten three lengths, not put under any pressure
Prince of Caviar
see the jump-out
https://www.racing.com/videos/2017-10-20/prince-of-caviars-first-jump-out

[Sands]

Black Caviar is due to foal this year to Sebring's sire More Than Ready (USA)
Black Caviar a mum again. A filly by More Than Ready.

[kiwiz]

Has Black Caviar's third foal (filly) by Snitzel been named yet?

[WAOS]

dont think so

[In_retrospect]

Has Black Caviar's third foal (filly) by Snitzel been named yet?
Burnt Schnitzel! LOL

[bagwon]

has my vote :D

actually black caviar makes a good garnish with schnitzel

[kiwiz]

Oscietra scratched at the barrier,,Moonee Valley last night

[Chrome Prince]

Oscietra - after being fractious and rearing its starting stall, underwent a veterinary examination and was a late withdrawal on veterinary advice at 8.32pm and the filly must now gain further approval in a jump out prior to racing again.

[Lord Greystoke]

Oscietra - after being fractious and rearing its starting stall, underwent a veterinary examination and was a late withdrawal on veterinary advice at 8.32pm and the filly must now gain further approval in a jump out prior to racing again.

Possibly not a chip off the old block then or is it way too early to tell Chrome?

Cheers LG

[grizzle]

Oscietra - after being fractious and rearing its starting stall, underwent a veterinary examination and was a late withdrawal on veterinary advice at 8.32pm and the filly must now gain further approval in a jump out prior to racing again.
Oscietra suffered minor abrasions to her near hind leg in the incident

[Chrome Prince]

Possibly not a chip off the old block then or is it way too early to tell Chrome?
Cheers LG

Nowhere near the old block (Black Caviar) I'm afraid LG.
Equine genetics just don't work that way.
They basically want a clone of Black Caviar, and they aren't going to get it.
Early on, it was reported the Oscietra was worth 5 million, but they weren't selling her. Surely they should have broken her in, trialled her secretly at Euroa and then put her up for sale. She doesn't even resemble BC according to the trainer and is built differently, the trainer was very surprised that she went around odds on at her first start.

However, they will probably get one good horse from Black Caviar, as they are using her as a breeding machine sadly. They won't get a clone as good as her though, they'll get possibly one good horse that will win one or two Group races, and that's the best they can hope for.

Without delving too deeply into equine genetics, it boils down to not how good the Sire or Dam is, you can spend a fortune trying to get a champion, but whether the build, stride, lungs and heart are passed down as dominant genes, and how dominant those genetics are for the combination of sire and dam.

[Lord Greystoke]

Nowhere near the old block (Black Caviar) I'm afraid LG.
Equine genetics just don't work that way.
They basically want a clone of Black Caviar, and they aren't going to get it.
Early on, it was reported the Oscietra was worth 5 million, but they weren't selling her. Surely they should have broken her in, trialled her secretly at Euroa and then put her up for sale. She doesn't even resemble BC according to the trainer and is built differently, the trainer was very surprised that she went around odds on at her first start.

However, they will probably get one good horse from Black Caviar, as they are using her as a breeding machine sadly. They won't get a clone as good as her though, they'll get possibly one good horse that will win one or two Group races, and that's the best they can hope for.

Without delving too deeply into equine genetics, it boils down to not how good the Sire or Dam is, you can spend a fortune trying to get a champion, but whether the build, stride, lungs and heart are passed down as dominant genes, and how dominant those genetics are for the combination of sire and dam.

Makes for interesting reading Chrome. Genetics side interests me and I get your point regards pot luck. I have two different coloured eyes and a personality type that is maybe 2 - 5% of the population so you can probably see where I am coming from here.

LG

[Chrome Prince]

Yes, LG, if you have brothers and sisters or children and grandchildren, I'll bet none of them have both different colour eyes and the same 2 to 5% personality type together. Not meaning to delve personally, it's just an example for arguments sake.

[peanutz]

Nowhere near the old block (Black Caviar) I'm afraid LG.
Equine genetics just don't work that way.
They basically want a clone of Black Caviar, and they aren't going to get it.

ditto makybe diva

[kiwiz]

Oscietra has been retired
Two wins from five starts
Her owners are hoping for far more success in the breeding barn

[kiwiz]

Oscietra half-brother Prince Of Caviar ran 4th on his debut late May
Was slow to begin & settled at the rear in a slowly run race
Still last when they turned the bend where he was also held up for a run
Once clear he rocketed home for fourth running the quickest last 200m of the race

[Chrome Prince]

Oscietra has been retired
Two wins from five starts
Her owners are hoping for far more success in the breeding barn

Initially they should have put her to the sales and earned a cool $5 million, rather than a percentage of $36,000, that would have gone in training fees anyway. She was a small filly, with no Black Type to her name. As a broodmare, they aren't going to do much better. Then there's the $82,500 they paid for the stud fee.

[peanutz]

ditto makybe diva
nice debut win (werribee 1625m) by three-year-old filly Divanation. a daughter of Makybe Diva. since not disgraced runner-up (morphettville 1800m)

[Chrome Prince]

nice debut win (werribee 1625m) by three-year-old filly Divanation. a daughter of Makybe Diva. since not disgraced runner-up (morphettville 1800m)

Helsinge pops up in the bloodlines yet again.

[In_retrospect]

Helsinge pops up in the bloodlines yet again.
So that would be a double dose of Helsinge for Divanation ?

[Seekray]

So that would be a double dose of Helsinge for Divanation ?
Both sides

[Seekray]

Oscietra half-brother Prince Of Caviar ran 4th on his debut late May
Was slow to begin & settled at the rear in a slowly run race
Still last when they turned the bend where he was also held up for a run
Once clear he rocketed home for fourth running the quickest last 200m of the race
Nice effort start no. 2. Narrow defeat at Sandown behind Extra Brut. Got home strong.

[Chrome Prince]

Yes, was a very nice run indeed, however, it was a maiden.
I think he's looking for a longer distance because getting back and running home fast is his style,

[Seekray]

Prince Of Caviar breaks his maiden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLQFzIHAp_c

[horsewithnoname]

nice debut win (werribee 1625m) by three-year-old filly Divanation. a daughter of Makybe Diva. since not disgraced runner-up (morphettville 1800m)
Not disgraced next time around either. 4starts 1-1-2. Including 3rd in Warrnambool Cup.

[horsewithnoname]

Replay, last bit of Warrnambool Cup, Divanation finishing 3rd.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1123829966276300803

[Seekray]

Replay, last bit of Warrnambool Cup, Divanation finishing 3rd.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1123829966276300803
Fought on well.

[Seekray]

Prince Of Caviar breaks his maiden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLQFzIHAp_c
Prince Of Caviar nominated Kyneton this Thursday

[justinfront]

Prince Of Caviar nominated Kyneton this Thursday
Throat surgery during that long spell
Might be still problems

[Seekray]

Throat surgery during that long spell
Might be still problems
Yep still a problem, a veterinary certificate required prior to racing Prince Of Caviar again

[Seekray]

Yep still a problem, a veterinary certificate required prior to racing Prince Of Caviar again
Prince Of Caviar has since been retired from racing
Just six career starts

[justinfront]

Prince Of Caviar has since been retired from racing
Just six career starts
That's bad luck, they obviously couldn't rectify that throat issue

[Placid Ark]

Black Caviar’s daughter Ready For Caviar ran second at her debut last month at Benalla

https://twitter.com/Racing/status/1239005736362901504

[Seekray]

Black Caviar's daughter Invincible Caviar looked nice winning at Sale recently.

Invincible Caviar is the third winner from four to race out of the undefeated champion Black Caviar.

Her first three foals are at stud.

The Exceed And Excel filly Oscietra has a 2yo colt and yearling colt by I Am Invincible and visited Churchill (IRE) last spring.

Black Caviar's Sebring colt Prince Of Caviar will cover his second book of mares at Riverbank farm this spring at a fee of $4,400.

The unraced Snitzel filly Out Of Caviar has a yearling filly by I Am Invincible and visited Toronado (IRE) last spring.

Ready For Caviar made two starts for one second but has not been seen out since finishing seventh at Pakenham a year ago.

Following Invincible Caviar is her 2yo brother I Am Caviar.

As per breednet

[punts2]

Black Caviar's daughter Invincible Caviar looked nice winning at Sale recently.

Invincible Caviar is the third winner from four to race out of the undefeated champion Black Caviar.

Her first three foals are at stud.

The Exceed And Excel filly Oscietra has a 2yo colt and yearling colt by I Am Invincible and visited Churchill (IRE) last spring.

Black Caviar's Sebring colt Prince Of Caviar will cover his second book of mares at Riverbank farm this spring at a fee of $4,400.

The unraced Snitzel filly Out Of Caviar has a yearling filly by I Am Invincible and visited Toronado (IRE) last spring.

Ready For Caviar made two starts for one second but has not been seen out since finishing seventh at Pakenham a year ago.

Following Invincible Caviar is her 2yo brother I Am Caviar.

As per breednet
Apparently, trainer Peter Moody is taking a conservative approach with this daughter of Black Caviar. Likely will see her back this Spring?

[punts2]

Apparently, trainer Peter Moody is taking a conservative approach with this daughter of Black Caviar. Likely will see her back this Spring?
Just creamed them! Sale R7

[punts2]

Just creamed them! Sale R7
And another two wins before spelling.

And racing royalty Winx & her first foal (filly by Pierro) are reportedly doing well.

[arnoldz]

And racing royalty Winx & her first foal (filly by Pierro) are reportedly doing well.
That was really great news after losing her first foal, a filly by super sire I Am Invincible.

[pop]

Champion racehorse Black Caviar dies a day before her 18th birthday following laminitis disease. Sad news, Gee, doesn't time fly, almost 18yo.