Lucky Lil for PM

[Ned-E-Chaser]

Oh, Lucky lil,oh Lucky lil,
Your Saturdays tips were such a thrill,
Please pardon my flattery.if you will,
But 100% is Queen of the hill,
At punting Ned-e's such a dill,
A terrible mess of betting swill,
But then you demo-ed all your skill,
Two of the best, in for the kill,
So instead of swallowing a bitter pill,
For once, there's money in the till!!!

Cheers......Ned-E

[TajRossi75]

Well done Lucky Lil!!

Almost a clean sweep also............

[Dr Pangloss]

If I counted every last winner Lucky Lil has tipped on this forum for the last three months I would need one finger, and one finger only.

That's right, one winner in the last three months and that was a $3.60 winner yesterday.

But since Casino Knight at $3.00 was the lay of the day (which duly bolted in at $1.85) I am not getting too carried away.

Get real guys - I'm starting to get confused as to whether PPM are posting here under a different user name.

[darkydog2002]

DR PANGLOSS. ACADEMICALLY I AM TRIALING LUCKY LILS TIPS TO THE NEWSLETTER SUBCRIBERS.WILL GIVE YOU A FULL RUN DOWN IN 3 MONTHS<

[Paddy]

Potentially PPM could be posting under various different user names, Dr Pangloss, including me :grin:

Makes you wonder :wink:

[boxhead]

Dr. Pangloss
Surely management can confirm or otherwise your claim.
Come on Neil true or not {one winner in trhee months}.
Paddy who's real here ? :???:

[boxhead]

oops, that'll be 3 months
{early finish one beer too many} :grin:

[kenchar]

Dr Pangloss,
Did you lose your other 7 fingers in a sawmill accident. Dont worry you can still use your toes and 2 thumbs. Start counting on them and you will find there has been a lot more than 1. If you cant use these I will send you some paddlepop sticks and everytime Lil gets a winner you can put 1 aside with your 1 finger.
Cheers

[Ned-E-Chaser]

Whoa,what did I start here!!? Maybe I just jumped on the good weeks!.....And...who's PPM?

[kenchar]

WHOS PPM,
Christ I knew tassie was a bit behind the times but to ask that question you must be in the stone age.
Actually sorry I said that you probably dont get the mag over there.
LUCKY TASMANIANS.
Cheers

[Dr Pangloss]

Kenchar

I'm happy to retract if wrong (won't be the first time). But the facts are that Lucky Lil has tipped the grand total of one winner in three months from weekly tips posted to this forum.

If there have been any more please refer to the appropriate dated posting - but don't waste your time looking because they are simply not there.

Serious tipsters should not be afraid to post updated seasonal w/l PoT +/- units but such a practice is unheard on this forum. You have to wonder why.

[partypooper]

Dr Pandloss, Lucky Lil, also posts 2 free tips via the free news letter (i.e. a total of 4 tips per Saturday) and as I believe in credit where it's due, has performed incredibly well overall, inc. last week with Alice In Toyland, Finniss D'or, Wayjo, and Regal Summer ($4 place)

[darkydog2002]

IST MONTH FOR LUCKY LIL.30/8 to 20/9.
(USING BET SMARTER AND WIN.)
8 BETS/3 WINS.AV PRICE OF WINNER 6/1
WIN %37.5 .P.O.T.387.2%(THATS NOT A MISPRINT.)

GOOD ON YA LIL.

[kenchar]

Thanks DD, Oh well back to the cave and brontosauras burgers for some.

[Chrome Prince]

As usual the FULL facts are not fully obtained before judgements are made.

Lucky Lil posts tips in the weekly newsletter IN ADDITION TO the forum tips.

Quite easy to sign up for the weekly newsletter really.

[Neil]

As usual there are stats and there ARE stats. Just thought I'd check out Lucky Lil's Forum tips in June that might have not been included by the Doctor.

7th. June
Naden $11.80 first
King Of Them All third $2.60

14th. June
Wyangan Pines second $2.60

21st. June
two unplaced runners

Presumably the Doctor included these two unplaced runners as he referred to the last three months?

Visitors to our site are of course free to take notice of the free tips or leave them as they see fit.

[kenchar]

It wouldnt suprise me if some well known punting magazine get someone to subscribe to the newsletter,and start a LATE MAIL phone in service on SAT mornings, using Lils tips.
I can just see it now.
Big glossy brochures,sky ads everyday.
WE HAVE JUST AQUIRED THE SERVICES OF THE PHANTOM.
THEY SEEK HIM HERE THEY SEEK HIM THERE.
NO ONE KNOWS WHERE HE GETS HIS INFORMATION FROM.
UP TO DATE LAST MINUTE INFO
THE PROFESSIONAL PUNTERS HAVE OFFERED HIM A FORTUNE FOR HIS INFO.
WILL HE SELL IT TO THEM NO NO NO
HE WANTS THE AVERAGE PUNTER TO HAVE IT.
RING AFTER 10.00am SAT MORNING
COST $50 ONLY
SO CALL 55577777888 RACE DAY
REMEMBER AFTER 10.00am THIS IS HOT HOT HOT
IS THAT OK QUAPI
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[darkydog2002]

I MUST EXPLAIN THAT I AM ONLY MONITORING THE 2 FREE NEWSLETTER TIPS AND NOT THOSE POSTED ON THE FORUM.

CHEERS.DARKY.

[darkydog2002]

RE THE P.O.T FIGURES AND THE STAKING.
I AM BETTING TO TAKE $100 OVER 10 BETS.
IF THE TARGET IS REACHED BEFORE THE END OF THE 10 BETS THEN NO MORE BETS IN THAT SERIES OF 10,THE REMAINING BETS ARE JUST RECORDED.
I THEN BEGIN AGAIN.TARGET $100.
MY DIVISORS ARE MAXIMUM 5 .MINIMUM 2.
I AM USING NSW TAB DIVIDENDS.
IN THE CASE OF THE 20/8 LIL GOT 1 WINNER PAYING $8.10 AND A 4th AT 9/2.
SINCE THE 4th WAS THE FIRST BET =$100 DIVIDED BY 5 =$20 BET.LOST
TARGET NOW $120 DIVIDED BY 5 =$24 WIN $8.10/$2.50.7.1/1 x $24 =$170.40 NETT.
OUTLAY $44 NETT $170.40 = 387.2% ON TURNOVER.
IN THE CASE OF THIS TRIAL MY OBJECTIVE WILL BE WHEN THE BANK (IAM ASSUMING HERE A $1000 BANK)DOUBLES THEN I WILL TAKE THE TARGET TO $150.THE DIVISORS WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
IF THE BANK RUNS INTO A HORROR RUN THEN ALL I HAVE TO DO IS BRING ANOTHER 5 DIVISOR OR 2.

HOPE THAT HELPS.CHEERS DARKY.

[darkydog2002]

30/8.4th 9/2 1 WIN $8.10 /$2.50
6/9.2 BETS BOTH UNPLACED
13/9.2 BETS 1 2nd 1unplaced .
20/9 2 BETS 2 WINS $8,80/2.80 $4.10/$1.90.

THATS WHERE I AM NOW.

CHEERS.

[Dr Pangloss]

What tips Luckl Lil may have posted to a newsletter or handed out to his/her hairdresser remain entirely irrevelant to this thread.

The historical forum records show that since 14 June 2003 Lucky Lil has tipped 4 winners and 26 losers generating results of -11.6 units and a LoT 38.6%.

In spite of this abysmal forum tipping record is was NOT my intention to malign Lucky Lil (let the profit makers cast the first stone).

My intentions are to highlight the oringinal posting "Lucky Lil for PM" penned by the apparently first time poster Ned-E-Chaser. Lucky Lil's tipping abilities were eulogised in the form of poetic verse that sought to portray a punting genius that I would not ordinarily associate with a LoT 38% record.

It struck me that these outrageous (and baseless) claims were not too disimiliar from the extraordinary profit making claims attributed to PPM and highlighted elsewhere within these forum pages.

On further investigation I discovered Ned-E-Chaser second post here http://www.smartgambler.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=3948&forum=3&13 where Ned-E-Chaser lets it slip that he has previously posted on the VultimaX/Softholdings topic. If he did so then it wasn't under the username 'Ned-E-Chaser'.

Stretching credibility even further Ned-E-Chaser in his/her third and final post earlier in this thread claimed to have no knowledge of PPM (".....who's PPM"). He knows all about VultimaX/Softholdings but the widely publicised and notorious PPM escapes his notice??

Give me a break.

[Chrome Prince]

He says and I quote:

"I have posted a one word answer elsewhere on this topic."

He didn't say he posted here.

Dr you need to see a doctor.

:roll:



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[darkydog2002]

I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE LETTER WRITERS BUT PURELY ACADEMIC INTEREST IN WHETHER THE TIPS HOLD UP .PARTICULARLY ON BOTH FLAT STAKES AND TARGET BETTING.
ON FLAT STAKES IN THE PAST MONTH THE RESULTS ARE OUTLAY $160 RETURN $420 NETT $ 260.
P.O.T.162.5%
WILL KEEP YOU ALL POSTED MONTHLY.

[Dr Pangloss]

Thanks for that confirmation Chrome Prince. You're a real forum treasure!!

[Ned-E-Chaser]

OK you guys...Heres the Deal!!!
1. I am talking about the newsletter tips.
2.I havent been on them for very long.
3.I like the odd flutter.
4.On a couple of occasions ,I have done alright.
5.Yes, i did post about "that" program.(or should I say THAT BLOODY PROGRAM!
6.I lost money on above.
7.No need for the Tassie jokes.(Oh go on then)
8.Iam just genuinly curious about the racing game in general, and it must be said that many of the posters on this forum have saved me from losing more money on THE PROGRAM, and for that I thank you.
9.Lighten up guys.I'm just a crap poet.
Cheers
Ned-E-Chaser,who really does'nt know who PPM is.

[umrum]

On 2003-09-26 15:43, Ned-E-Chaser wrote:
OK you guys...Heres the Deal!!!
1. I am talking about the newsletter tips.
2.I havent been on them for very long.
3.I like the odd flutter.
4.On a couple of occasions ,I have done alright.
5.Yes, i did post about "that" program.(or should I say THAT BLOODY PROGRAM!
6.I lost money on above.
7.No need for the Tassie jokes.(Oh go on then)
8.Iam just genuinly curious about the racing game in general, and it must be said that many of the posters on this forum have saved me from losing more money on THE PROGRAM, and for that I thank you.
9.Lighten up guys.I'm just a crap poet.
Cheers
Ned-E-Chaser,who really does'nt know who PPM is.

wouldnt be practical punting monthly by any chance

[Ned-E-Chaser]

Thank you.

[darkydog2002]

GEE LIL I HAD THE MONEY COUNTED WHEN TAOS PLEASURE GOT BLOCKED FOR A RUN.
CHEERS.DARKY.

[Paddy]

:roll:

[darkydog2002]

11/10/03.
Good on ya lil.Keep em coming.
cheers.darky.

[Dr Pangloss]

er...hem!!

Octennial ran nowhere.

Natural Blitz ran nowhere.

Just like last week, and the week before that, and the week before .........

I say again, have the decency to POST THE YTD RECORDS. Losing tips are NOT free, they are very, very expensive.

[darkydog2002]

Dont know where those 2 came from but they weren,t the newsletter tips.
BLUE SUTTARB(race 5 h 1 r.hill 5th at 8/1.

ALFONSO(e.farm.r 8 h 2 $5.60/2.20.

Cheers.Darky.

11/10/03.

[partypooper]

Darkydog, yes a good result again LL with Alfonso, just as a matter of interest have you monitered LL tips over time?? just wondered how the Newsletter Tips fared compared to the Forum Tips???

[darkydog2002]

PARTYPOOPER.Only monitored the newsletter tips.
FROM 30/8 to 11/10/03.
14 bets/4 winners= 28.5%.
oulay flat stakes $280 nett $452 .P.O.T 161%.
av price of winners 5.65/1.
email me darkydog2002@hotmail.com and i will tell you who is the best tipster i have ever seen AND ITS NOT ME.
Cheers.
darky.

[Chrome Prince]

PARTYPOOPER.Only monitored the newsletter tips.
FROM 30/8 to 11/10/03.
14 bets/4 winners= 28.5%.
oulay flat stakes $280 nett $452 .P.O.T 161%.
av price of winners 5.65/1.
email me darkydog2002@hotmail.com and i will tell you who is the best tipster i have ever seen AND ITS NOT ME.
Cheers.
darky.


I think that should clear up a few things for the good DR.
You've had a go at Lil, Mark and various others including myself, without considering the FULL facts.

How about posting something constructive, or is that beyond the realms of possibility???

[kenchar]

Give up the fags DOC thats a bad cough you have at the start of your post

[Paddy]

As I see it there are 2 sources of LL tips available in this forum - those posted by management (oops! I mean Lucky Lil :wink: ) in the forum itself, and those available by being part of an email distribution list (great marketing strategy). As far as I'm concerned if someone is going to take the trouble to keep to-date stats, let's see the full picture, not half. Otherwise don't bother.

[Dr Pangloss]

I'll type this slowly so that even those with an axe to grind can arrive at a modicom of understanding.

Lucky Lil's 'free' tips as posted to this forum show a long term LOSS. They are not FREE - they are very, very EXPENSIVE. The idea that Lucky Lil's tips generate a profit is not supported by a shred of evidence outside of transient one-time posters with dubious pedigree.

Surely it is a simple (and responsible) exercise to post YTD results (with the tips) - and if the tips were profitable why in the world would you not publish that fact?

The answer is blindingly obvious.

[darkydog2002]

G,day Paddy.And i am just the bloke to do it if anyones interested.
Previously up to the 30/8/03 i have only given them a cursory glance but like i did with AHJAYS they became a fascination for me.
Its no skin off my shoulders to give you all a monthly update or for that matter any update you like.
Since i started using them i have made good money from them.And i thank LIL for that (whoever she/he might be).
If their managements tips under some sort of guise then i would think that they would have a better time frame than I and it would be no problem for them to give you an idea.I MYSELF WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
In the meantime I can only go from the 30/8/03.
Anyone out there interested in updates.
Warmest regards.
Darkydog.

[Chrome Prince]

Here we go again :roll:

Let's get to the facts, as usual they seem to get lost in transit.

I searched and searched and searched and could not find a single one-time poster re Lil's Tips.

There are two sets of tips, one set in the weekly newsletter and one set on the forum.

No claims are made by Lil regarding the loss or profit of those tips.

The congratulations from many posters come from the tips in the newsletter which are very good and showing a profit regardless of anything else.

Both sets are FREE and available for use or otherwise.

The forum tips that Lil has supplied would have SAVED you a bundle if you look at her "NOT VALUE" horses.

It's up to the individual to use the tips in any way he/she sees fit.

It's very easy to criticize and say:

"Octennial ran nowhere.

Natural Blitz ran nowhere.

Just like last week, and the week before that, and the week before ......... "

What about Dorky?
You were told it was no value and it ran accordingly.
What about So Assertive?
It didn't win either on Lil's advice.

So what do we have with regard to the FORUM tips for the last month?
This belies the good Dr's statement....

Last Saturday
BET - Octennial (lost)
BET - Natural Blitz (lost)

LAY - Dorky (SAVED MONEY or BETFAIR???)

4th October
BET - Shower of Roses (won) $3.00
BET - The Big Chill (lost)

LAY - So Assertive (SAVED AGAIN or BETFAIR)

Did Lil lose this week or break even or profit - you decide!

27th September
BET - Classy Dane (lost)
BET - Ta Ta Tatiana (lost)

LAY - Fatoon (SAVED AGAIN or BETFAIR)

20th September
BET - Wayjo (won) $3.40
BET - Regal Summer (lost)

LAY - Casino Knight (won at odds on $1.80)

Total 8 win bets
$6.40 return
loss of 1.60 units

Total 4 lay bets
only one winner, so three from four LAYS successful.

So 6 from 12 BET/LAYS successful.

Not too shabby Dr.

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[alblyn]

my goodness me dr. pangloss. the tips that everyone is talking about are the ones supplied personally into your e-mail. with the subject line
"Neil Free newsletter ratings/Lil's tips Oct 8 8k " you are free to use them if you want or just ignore them. it up to you.

[Dr Pangloss]

There you go again Chrome Prince EDITED in full denial mode.

Please note:
Comments about posters and the alleged threads they were involved in on other sites' forums should be made on those forums, not this forum.

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[Dr Pangloss]

Fair enough Quapi - and from what's left of my innocuous post (plus your comments) the point is still well made for those that can read in between the lines.

[Ned-E-Chaser]

Since I started this, I must pass comment;I joined this forum after reading many various (and hilarious!) postings by characters like Paddy,and Hay Chee.I have laughed, saved myself from losing a bundle, and learned a lot along the way.Thanks for that.The cheesy poem that started all this was to say thanks for what happened to be a bit of a bonanza for me that weekend.To Lil.Or whoever. I am interested to see any more figures and/or comments, as I said before,I am not the worlds best punter.Cheers.

[Dr Pangloss]

Ned-E-Chaser on 23 Sep 03 "And...who's PPM?"

Such an avid forum reader that somehow missed the entire PPM controversy.

[darkydog2002]

NED.E.CHASER.Stick with the newsletter tips.
you will do alright.
They wont all win but you have a good show of coming out in front.
I would also get a copy of Malcolm Knowles BET SMARTER AND WIN staking plan.
At $14.95 its a steal.(041 126 5603)
He,s got a 1300 number but I cant remember it.
Cheers.
darky.

[Ned-E-Chaser]

Thanks Darky,good to receive positive advice.....unlike the good Dr. who seems to think I have some hidden agenda.Sorry, but my life is a lot simpler thsn that!
Cheers.

[Ned-E-Chaser]

And I can't spell.

[BettyBoop]

Thanks for letting the cat out of the bag re Aggro, Lucky Lil :sad:

[beer-man]

I think she does allright. I will always follow her tips and it seems to help me out. The results for this weekend were:
Forum tips :

Doomben:
R5/4 Aggro unplaced
Moonee Valley:
R10/9 Toast Of The Coast (Scratched)

In the Cox Plate R7/3 Fields Of Omagh is cherry ripe and set to run a big race. $11.60 / $2.10

Lay of the day.

Moonee Valley:
R10/5 Applicant $5.50 (Scratched)

Newsletter tips :

Morphettville:
R4/7 Starhere $3.50 / $1.60

Moonee Valley:
R9/4 Boreale Unplaced.

So at $1 eachway Bet $8 Win $18.80 Profit $10.80.

Not bad at all......

[El Gordo]

This thread has gone strangely quite, I wonder why :roll:

[alblyn]

didn't get to see last weeks selections, but i did have a bet e/w on Buffed. a selection form the newsletter. came 3rd paying $2.50

[partypooper]

Yes a bit quiet, a few weeks without a winner, but some good placings and rememeber LL tips are rarely favourites, so one decent winner and a bad run of 3 weeks is wiped.... I'll stick with "her" for while yet!