I want a trifecta!!!!!!!!!

[mystic]

Hi Guys & Gals,

Has anybody got some tips they could share on picking trifects....lately I have had no luck in this area and am starting to think I never will. I am starting to get realy ansty about it....help me pllleeeaaaaasssseee!
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[Seeker11]

I was a big rap for trifectas and other exotic bets early in my betting life but I must say that they should probably be avoided. I always seemed to pick 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 3rd. A roughie would always spoil my fun. I realised that all the money I wasted on tri's could have been place on wins and places that would have resulted in a payout. I will sometimes pick a quinnella and occassionally try a quaddie.

[Chrome Prince]

mystic,

If you want to come out in front leave out the favourite altogether.

You won't get a high win rate, but when you snare one you'll get value!

[crash]

Try a 2x3x5 [economical with good potential payouts] with a couple of maybes in for third. Cost $15 a unit if my memory is correct.
Boxed tri is very poor value because you are giving every horse the same chance of winning and paying for the privelage.

Cheers.

[umrum]

On 2003-09-26 16:57, crash wrote:

Try a 2x3x5 [economical with good potential payouts] with a couple of maybes in for third. Cost $15 a unit if my memory is correct.
Boxed tri is very poor value because you are giving every horse the same chance of winning and paying for the privelage.

Cheers.


spot on crash

[Dale]

On 2003-09-26 16:16, Chrome Prince wrote:
mystic,

If you want to come out in front leave out the favourite altogether.

You won't get a high win rate, but when you snare one you'll get value!



I agree.

Alternately you could leave the 1st and 2nd favs out of the win position and try a 4x6x6 tri with the other top 6 pre post prices,but only bet in races with enough runners to ensure good return.

[strawb]

HI everyone,
personally I prefer to wait until I've got what I think is a good priced banker or rover and I'm pretty sure the favorite can't run a place.(Has been known to pay 000's + when the fav run's 3rd)Especially like dead tracks for this as you'd be suprised how many false fav's there are.

[tragic]

i feel another good idea is to concentrate on the country meetings where the chances of long priced horses running in the money is much more common rove your fancy with a few of these longer priced horses and you could get a pretty good collect even though the pools dont seem that big

[OZDOC]

Mystic,
I have to agree with the answers so far, one other intersting thing i find is after selecting the race i then like to check the "tipsters on the TAB" and if my selections match thier 3 selections ( i pick 4-5 for the tri ) i like to bring the bet in tighter with more units, if i have 2 matches i take it out a bit wider and 1 or less wider still
ex
3 match = MU-2/3/4 = 3 units
2 match = MU-3/4/5 = 2 units
1 or less = MU-4/5/5 = 1 unit

you could use any combo's you like.
my reasoning for this and i could be wrong is
that i have generally found most people follow the TAB tips and if it comes home the payout is smaller thus more units and so on.

Just an idea im playing with but its holding pretty true so far.

as with seeker11's thoughts im the same i now work on places mainly and have this as the main bread n butter and just play on the side with the tri's if they come home its a bonus.

also listed is a chart for pricing the exotics

r
pete


Quinella
STANDARD QUINELLA . = $ 1
BOX QUINELLA . = # / 2 * ( # -1 ) * UNITS = $
BANKER QUINELLA . = # ( 2ND SELECTIONS ) * UNITS = $
Trifecta
STANDARD TRIFECTA . = $ 1
BOX TRIFECTA . = # * ( # -1 ) * ( # - 2 ) * UNITS = $
MULTIPLE TRIFECTA . = (# 1ST SEL) * ( # 2ND SEL -1) * (# 3RD SEL - 2) * UNITS = $
BANKER TRIFECTA . = # 2ND SEL * ( # 2ND SEL - 1 ) * UNITS = $
ROVING BANKER TRIFECTA . = # 2ND SEL * ( # 2ND SEL-1 ) * 3 * UNITS = $
First 4
STANDARD FIRST 4 . = $ 1
BOX FIRST 4 . = # * ( # -1 ) * ( # - 2 ) * ( # - 3 ) * UNITS = $
BANKER FIRST 4 . = # 2ND SEL * ( # 2ND SEL -1 ) * ( # 2ND SEL - 2 )* UNITS = $
MULTIPLE FIRST 4 . = (# 1ST SEL) * ( # 2ND SEL -1) * (# 3RD SEL - 2) * (# 4TH SEL -3) * UNITS = $

[mystic]

Thanks everyone for taking the time to help me out...I am gonna give it a go today.....I will let you know the outcome.

[crash]

With all that help Mystic it will be your shout at the bar very soon as the money should be rolling in.

Cheers.

[becareful]

I reckon the best advice is to leave them alone (along with the other exotics) - certainly until you have mastered Win betting anyway. Why fight against a 20% TAB cut when you can go for Win betting with only a 3-8% disadvantage to overcome?

[shoto]

Although I agree Be careful, one reason is that because of boxing there's alot more misguided money in the pool.

[Shaun]

While we are on this subject...what is the best way to work out what the return will be on a trifecta....and a quinella while we are on exotics

[kenchar]

Tris I dont know but on course there is a approx div quin monitor.

[mystic]

HEY Guys an gALS,,

I gotta say....well I had no luck on the tris today, I ACTUALLY LOST $50 and my extra bets came absolutely nowhere, what a sad a**...... so anyway I was so cheesed off that I decided to go to my local and drown my sorrows....and I just couldnt help myself....to cut my long story short.... I ended up picking a trifecta of my nose,(not from my nose :grin:)which was great because I made absolutely no effort at all, so I am now $503 richer- 100= $403= cant believe it!!!!

To tell you guys the truth though, I just dont think I am any good on trying to sort them out AND TRYING TO PICK EM'.....that was just pure luck....

hey... and if any one wants to check it out before giving me any flak it was......
MLB TRT 4, Heavenly Hiranni
Albertique & Magical Mac.....the names say it all....:cool:

Just another reason why one should go with their gut instinct!!!!

TRAGIC, absolutely tragic I wished I backed Shakota.

I see UMRUM,,,,UMRUM came second, good on ya!!!!!!

And Kenchar well - what can I say----the nose , knows as you know! :razz:

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[umrum]

you cant work out tri's because it's on the pool size and how many total dividends there were. you can still guess what it will pay by what price the placegetters were but sometimes it will be way under what you thought or way over

[umrum]

you cant work out tri's because it's on the pool size and how many total dividends there were. you can still guess what it will pay by what price the placegetters were but sometimes it will be way under what you thought or way over

[mystic]

Even though I was lucky and got that win, it was a one off and I will not be trying out another because I think I will be better off spending that money on win or place. Who knows maybe my nose will know again one day......

[kenchar]

Good nose winner today PORT MACQUARIE AT PORT MACQUARIE

[Shaun]

Is there a place on the net where you can see trifecta and quinella trends...like on teletext