Racing In The West

[glenton]

Perth, 8th Nov, 2003

Race 2 - No 7 Keldaan E/W

Race 4 - No 7 Swift Jeune

Race 5 - No 10 Dante's Kalista E/W

[MyHatMyCoat]

Race 1 No. 12 Old Sol
Race 4 No. 7 Swift Jeune
Race 6 No. 2 Hot Shot Brother
Race 8 No. 6 King Canute

[Paddy]

A profit to you both - well done!

I for one can't wait till the summer carnival starts, even if we might still be racing at Belmont :eek:

[Paddy]

The NSWTAB is betting on Pinjarra today -any tips? - how about a tip for the Town Cup :smile: :wink:

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[MyHatMyCoat]

Thanks Paddy. Not one of my better days, but that's racing.

For today like the following, good luck.

RACE 5 AIKO & GUARDED ANSWER
RACE 6 DOLLY ZIUTO & CLASSY CHARMER
RACE 7 FEEL THE PULSE & STOCKIE'S YARN
RACE 8 HE FOR HIDEY & PRECIOUS RESOURCE
RACE 9 LORD SPICE & SHOOTERS ALL ROUND

[Sandgroper]

Hi Paddy :smile:

On his best form Stockie’s Yarn would almost be a special in the cup.
Stephen Miller, who I believe is an underrated jock, has previously ridden him only once – for 1 win.

However Stockie’s Yarn recent two starts following a spell, have been well below his “normal” first/second-up previous performances, so if he is not on his mettle, others like Grand Cavalier, Aussie Strike, Feel The Pulse and perhaps Air Of Supremacy, could greet the judge :wink:


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All the best from the West

Sandgroper :smile:

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[umrum]

what a disgrace that we are still racing at belmont. The turf club in their infinite wisdom have taken most of the monitors away to ascot and the tables and chairs. Fair dinkum how is this committee still in office.
They are a disgrace. All they worry about is the breeding side of it not the punters and trainers and owners. If the railway stakes is at belmont they should resign in embarrassment.

[Sandgroper]

I must say I’m still amazed that they got themselves into this pickle. Same schedule every year, same weather factors, etc………unbelievable!.

Latest news, we will be racing at Belmont up to & including Wed 26th November, Ascot on the 29th (Railway Stakes) and the 6th December. Back to Belmont (midweek) 10th Dec. Then back to Ascot for remainder of their season.


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All the best from the West

Sandgroper :smile:

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[MyHatMyCoat]

Seems the repaired track is unlikely to be ready for November 29, according to the latest press release.

The Ascot track will be inspected on November 18, following this an announcment will be made as to when racing will return to Ascot.

The return to Ascot could more probaly be for the big Perth Cup meeting on January 1.

[Paddy]

W.A. GUINEAS 1600M on Saturday, any thoughts westernites? :smile:

1 LAETARE E A Martinovich P J Harvey 17 56
2 RIVER MIST G E Daly P D Knuckey 2 56
3 ON TARGET C A Stelmach P J Carbery 11 56
4 CHANGING LANES R C Mc Pherson K Forrester 10 56
5 STAR TREK Neville Parnham S D Parnham (a) 18 56
6 MAGIC ACES P J Giadresco S J Miller 9 56
7 CAT IN A HAT T M Andrews W R Hughes (a) 4 56
8 DESIGNER LABEL D H Hopperton D A O'Heare 12 56
9 MARSHALL VIC R C Mc Pherson J F Miller 14 56
10 WOODCUTTER'S RED Lou Luciani T K Turner 1 56
11 SENECA C A Stelmach C K Harvey 20 56
12 DIAMOND DASH David Edwards J S Whiting 8 53.5
13 DETAIL T M Andrews J J Brown 3 53.5
14 BELHARI W J Bradshaw Ms A D Sansom 15 53.5
15 MOONFIRE Lindsey Smith T K Jackman 7 53.5
16 SPIRIT LADY Fred Kersley J P Claite 6 53.5
17E HAPPY JOHNSON G C Ballantyne N A Chapman 19 56
18E TISSOT S R Bates 16 53.5
19E COLD REWARD Neville Parnham 5 53.5
20E OLD SOL B Wilkinson 13 56

[Sandgroper]

LAETARE looks the one to beat Paddy. Has the speed to overcome a wide draw and with the services of Paul Harvey, hopefully will get a nice run in transit.

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All the best from the West

Sandgroper :smile:

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[El Gordo]

Magic Aces (6) - well drawn & should be well ridden. Ready to show best following 2 starts from a spell.

Laetare (1) - agree Sandgroper, a good chance. Slight doubt over the distance from a wide draw.

Cat In A Hat (7) - improved effort with the addition of blinkers added last start. Should be a nice price.

Detail (13) - blinkers added. Looks the best chance from the ladies.

[Paddy]

How about your thoughts on the Group II Lee Steere Stakes as well, if you don't mind lads :wink:

No. Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 OLD FASHION V A Brockman P D Knuckey 6 58
2 FINITO P H Humann D J Staeck 5 58
3 HARDRADA Lou Luciani J S Whiting 8 58
4 CORPORATE BRUCE Hec Mc Laren C K Harvey 3 58
5 BLEVVO D R Harrison P B Farrell 7 58
6 KENSYL BAY T W Widdeson G L Smith 13 58
7 MAIN STAGE A R Taylor T K Jackman 12 58
8 TRACK JESTER W L Radford P J Carbery 14 58
9 MODEM T M Andrews T K Turner 2 58
10 MAPPERHOLIC S J Wolfe P J Harvey 4 58
11 EARLY EXPRESS P J Giadresco P Hall 9 58
12 AUSSIE STRIKE R B Rogers J F Miller 11 58
13 TRIBULA A H Mortimer S J Miller 1 55.5
14 GOLDEN DELICIOUS Jim Taylor J J Brown 10 55.5

[Sandgroper]

TRIBULA the one to beat Paddy. Forget her last run, never out of bother. From the 1 alley should sit just off the pace, or could even lead. Has services of top jock S J Miller.

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All the best from the West

Sandgroper :smile:

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[El Gordo]

Expect Finito (2) to run a great race fresh.

Top run by Old Fashion (1) last start, suited at WFA.

Hardrada (3) back to form with a vengeance.

Tribula (13) on her day, very smart.

[Sandgroper]

WA Guineas - current fixed odds (ozbet)

RIVER MIST $4.60
LAETARE $5.50
ON TARGET $7.50
WOODCUTTERS RED $7.50
DETAIL $12.00
CHANGING LANES $14.00
DESIGNER LABEL $16.00
SPIRIT LADY $16.00
STAR TREK $18.00
CAT IN A HAT $18.00
DIAMOND DASH $18.00
MAGIC ACES $21.00
SENECA $21.00
BELHARI $26.00
OLD SOL (4E) $26.00
MOONFIRE $31.00
TISSOT (2E) $31.00
HAPPY JOHNSON (1E) $41.00
COLD REWARD (3E) $41.00
MARSHALL VIC $61.00


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All the best from the West

Sandgroper :smile:

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[Sandgroper]

Current fixed odds comparison - Lee Steere Stakes


Horse NSWTAB WATAB
HARDRADA $4.75 $4.40
TRIBULA $7.50 $4.40
MAPPERHOLIC $5.00 $4.80
OLD FASHION $7.50 $10.00
FINITO $10.00 $10.00
CORPORATE BRUCE $13.00 $10.00
GOLDEN DELICIOUS $8.00 $12.00
MODEM $12.00 $14.00
BLEVVO $15.00 $15.00
EARLY EXPRESS $13.00 $17.00
TRACK JESTER $17.00 $21.00
KENSYL BAY $67.00 $41.00
MAIN STAGE $81.00 $61.00
AUSSIE STRIKE $81.00 $126.00


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All the best from the West

Sandgroper :smile:

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[Paddy]

KENSYL BAY $67.00 !! I'll have some of that :wink:

[MyHatMyCoat]

RACE 2 (3) TRIBULOT & (5) ELLICORSAM
RACE 3 (8) JOSIE'S SHOW & (11) UNCLE BRIAN
RACE 4 (7) KING JUGAH & (9) NOW'S GOOD
RACE 5 (3) ON TARGET, (1) LAETARE, (2) RIVER MIST & (12) DIAMOND DASH
RACE 6 (14) GOLDEN DELICIOUS, (13) TRIBULA, (10) MAPPERHOLIC & (4) CORPORATE BRUCE
RACE 7 (7) TRIBAL SECRET & (10) ON THE WATCH
RACE 8 (2) KENTIARA & (9) RESCUER

[Raw Instinct]

I like the look of Finito in this race fresh have followed both he and Modem in the past and Modem was a bit disappointing for me last start.

This is I think nearly the best race of the day anywhere when will they get some respect for there racing in the west always has good sized fields unlike sydney who far to often send out fields of 5-7 runners.

[topsy99]

have said so for years.
out of the 5 capital cities if i had to drop one off my racing it would be sydney.
it is an embarassment these day.

also of the west have followed for several years. had a good result on the grey cardinal yesterday.
last gasp for the day.
wa racing is good.
nsw racing is a problem but we have been there before havent we.

[Shaun]

Well I am origonaly from Sydney and would to to agree on that....the racing there is rubish...even there carnivals or off.....isn't it funny when Sydney has it carnivals that Melbourne can put on a good show and have good races....but when Melbourne have thier carnival Sydney just gives up....i will have to say and i am not sure if it is the capabilities of the handicapper but Sydney has a lot more winners and places comeing from the top numbers Melbourne can have them from anywhere Adelaide aswell....this makes me believe that the handicapper does a better job in Sydney....or maybe the form is easier to read...not sure on that...what are your views on this subject

[topsy99]

or the quality in each race tails off very quickly.
20 years ago sydney used to be flavour of the month but over recent years dominance of large stables seems to have taken the oomph out of sydney racing.
in the recent carnival in melbourne out of 27 races i think sydney won 5 of the majors i assume john hawkes won those.
it would be interesting to see the percentages on the trainers e.g. the numbers trained by hawkes, waterhouse, connors, denham etc just to see the make up of sydney racing. then that might show us a picture of what we are talking about.
certainly very unexciting lately but. did manage a couple of winners there yesterday so should be greatful for small mercies.

[Raw Instinct]

I think more than anything in Sydney the problem is the dominance of Waterhouse and Hawkes. I don't know if it so much scares people away from the place but I think they would rather go either to a county meeting or to Melbourne or Brisbane than to go into a race which is made up of 50% Hawkes and Waterhouse.

I myself find iut hard to sit there and try and work the form out for a race when one trainer has 4 runners in it all with a very good chance of winning it you usually find that there is one of those horses there to set it up for one of there others.

Plus I guess I have alot against Gai cannot stand the woman and am happy pretty much every year come melbourne carnival time cause she rarely comes away with anything which really makes you wonder what goes on in Sydney where she dominates.

[Paddy]

The $300,000 WFA Fruit 'N' Veg Stakes to be run on December 13, will now be over 2000m at Belmont instead of the traditional 1800m at Ascot.

Racing officials, owners and trainers, who met yesterday, agreed they would change the distance because there was not a safe 1800m starting point at Belmont.

[Paddy]

R.J. PETERS STAKES - 1600M - Sat 22nd

No. Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 KENSYL BAY T W Widdeson G L Smith 2 57
2 KING'S ARCH Mick Whittle J J Brown 3 57
3 EXIT LANE M J Midgley J J Noske 8 56.5
4 KAME'S HOPE Colin Webster T K Turner 1 56
5 MAIN STAGE A R Taylor T K Jackman 16 56
6 MODEM T M Andrews P J Harvey 14 56
7 KIM LISA M Burnett R Burnett (a) 9 54.5
8 MOGUL Lindsey Smith P King 15 54.5
9 CRIMSON SAKURA R W Matthews J P Claite 6 54
10 DEAD EYE DICK B P Graham N A Chapman 18 54
11 DEDICATED MISS G F Durrant J F Miller 20 54
12 EUTECTIC G M Martin P D Knuckey 4 54
13 MR. TANZANIA Lou Luciani J S Whiting 12 54
14 SHANE'S BOY Michael Pateman P J Carbery 7 54
15 SIR BOLLINGER Tony McEvoy A Spiteri 10 54
16 THE GREY CARDINAL V G Ferrier W R Hughes 19 54
17E POLIWHIRL S L Miller S J Miller 5 54
18E ICE MAGIC T B Mahood 13 54
19E AIR OF SUPREMACY G W Webster (Snr) 17 54
20E HEAVY NOVA Fred Kersley 11 54

[Paddy]

NSWTAB - Prices at: 09:24:54, 21 Nov 2003
No. Selection Win Place
002 King's Arch $4.50 $1.85
009 Crimson Sakura $6.00 $2.25
004 Kame's Hope $7.50 $2.60
006 Modem $7.50 $2.60
015 Sir Bollinger $8.00 $2.75
010 Dead Eye Dick $9.00 $3.00
013 Mr. Tanzania $11.00 $3.50
007 Kim Lisa $13.00 $4.00
008 Mogul $13.00 $4.00
017 Poliwhirl 1em $13.00 $3.75
014 Shane's Boy $17.00 $5.00
001 Kensyl Bay $21.00 $6.00
020 Heavy Nova 4em $26.00 $7.25
011 Dedicated Miss $34.00 $9.25
016 The Grey Cardinal $34.00 $9.25
012 Eutectic $41.00 $11.00
018 Ice Magic 2em $51.00 $13.50
003 Exit Lane $67.00 $17.50
005 Main Stage $67.00 $17.50
019 Air of Supremacy 3em $101.00 $26.00

[Paddy]

Sir Bollinger looks a great EW bet. This lightly raced 5YO, trained by Tony McEvoy, seems well weighted, well drawn & doesn't mind the 1600M.

Modem with the services of Paul Harvey also looks a good chance. Great run last start, not tried over 1600m but races like the distance will suit.

The other visitor - King's Arch in great form of late.

My outsider - Main Stage.

[umrum]

great day of racing tomorrow fellas.

my esteemed tips.

Star Trek

Ice Magic

Tri - Box Lonicera, Hartley's Dream and Ellicorsam. really hard to pick the winner but i think those 3 will run the places.

Moon Talk - first up but smart as you like. value in tantra dancer and salavat

True Steel and King Canute

Roman arch and Mercury Halo

Exit Lane at big odds and Maybe Dead Eye Dick or crimson sakura - raffle - kensyl bay could be value.euctetic = smokey= knockout

Rulain, Prince of Vasac and Constaninople

cheers

umrum

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[MyHatMyCoat]

POLIWHIRL
MODEM
EUTECTIC
EXIT LANE

[Sandgroper]

RAILWAY STAKES - 1600M - SATURDAY NOVEMBER 29, 2003

FINAL DECLARATIONS

1. OLD FASHION ........................ 56.0 Vern Brockman STEPHEN MILLER
2. ROMAN ARCH........................ 56.0 Mick Whittle NOEL CALLOW
3. FINITO ..................................... 55.0 Phil Humann DANIEL STAECK
4. TRIBULA ................................. 55.0 Arthur Mortimer ALANA SANSOM
5. HARDRADA ............................ 54.0 Lou Luciani JASON WHITING
6. CORPORATE BRUCE ............ 53.5 Hec McLaren CRAIG NEWITT
7. EMISSION ............................... 53.0 Cliff Brown DAMIEN OLIVER
8. EARLY EXPRESS................... 52.5 Peter Giadresco PETER HALL
9. KING'S ARCH ......................... 52.5 Mick Whittle DAVID TOOTELL
10. MAPPERHOLIC ...................... 52.5 Steve Wolfe PAUL HARVEY
11. RED HANNIGAN..................... 52.5 Lindsey Smith BRETT PREBBLE
12. SHIRAZAMATAZZ .................. 52.0 Fred Kersley PATRICK CARBERY
13. SUPERIOR STAR ................... 52.0 Neville Parnham STEVEN PARNHAM
14. MODEM................................... 51.5 Trevor Andrews TROY TURNER
15. TRACK JESTER ..................... 51.5 Warren Radford KEVIN FORRESTER
16. RIVER MIST ............................ 51.0 George Daly PETER KNUCKEY
17. DEXIAN E1............ 52.0 Alan Bergersen
18. KENSYL BAY E2............ 52.0 Tom Widdeson
19. KAME'S HOPE E3............ 51.5 Colin Webster
20. KENTIARA E4............ 51.0 Robert Harvey (Jnr)




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All the best from the West

Sandgroper :smile:

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[umrum]

nice field. Dont really understand how Red Hannigan and Emission get in so light at the weights. Is it just the turf club attracting Eastern states horses. Both are G1 placed and get way less than old charges Finitio and the pocket rocket Corporate Bruce.

My early tips are:

Finito
Corporate Bruce
Emission

and Hardrada.

will update closer to event after some serious form work.

[Sandgroper]

RAILWAY STAKES with barrier draw.

No. Horse Weight Barrier Jockey Trainer
1. Old Fashion 56.0 19 Stephen Miller Vern Brockman
2. Roman Arch 56.0 9 Noel Callow Mick Whittle
3. Finito 55.0 15 Daniel Staeck Phil Humann
4. Tribula 55.0 4 Alana Sansom Arthur Mortimer
5. Hardrada 54.0 16 Jason Whiting Lou Luciani
6. Corporate Bruce 53.5 11 Craig Newitt Hec McLaren
7. Emission 53.0 5 Damien Oliver Cliff Brown
8. Early Express 52.5 14 Peter Hall Peter Giadresco
9. King’s Arch 52.5 7 Mick Whittle
10. Mapperholic 52.5 3 Paul Harvey Steve Wolfe
11. Red Hannigan 52.5 17 Brett Prebble Lindsey Smith
12. Shirazamatazz 52.0 1 Patrick Carbery Fred Kersley
13. Superior Star 52.0 8 Steven Parnham Neville Parnham
14. Modem 51.5 18 Troy Turner Trevor Andrews
15. Track Jester 51.5 20 Kevin Forrester Warren Radford
16. River Mist 51.0 10 Peter Knuckey George Daly
17. Dexian E1 52.0 13 Alan Bergersen
18. Kensyl Bay E2 52.0 12 Tom Widdeson
19. Kame’s Hope E3 51.5 6 Colin Webster
20. Kentiara E4 51.0 2 Robert Harvey (Jnr)


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All the best from the West

Sandgroper :smile:

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[Paddy]

Very tough race (as usual)!

(7) Emission looks the best of the visitors. Nicely weighted, nicely drawn & has the services of Damien Oliver.

(14) Modem racing in the best form of his life – nothing on his back. From a wide draw likely to get back but should be motoring home.

(3) Finito as honest as they come. Down 0.5kg on last years effort in this race, beaten only 1.25len
behind Old Fashion.

(6) Corporate Bruce, a repeat of last years run would make him awfully hard to beat. Drops 1kg on that run beaten only a neck by Old Fashion (who has gone up 1.5kg)

And I’ve left out horses like Old Fashion, Hardrada, Mapperholic & Red Hannigan – all very good chances.

[Raw Instinct]

Tremendous race and very hard to sort out but right now this is how i am looking


Finito: Love this old timer and there was nothing not to like about his first up effort he is as consistent as they come

Modem: Drawn out in the backrow of the grandstand but he gets back anyway will be coming home hard at the end of this one will be tough to hold out with no weight

Roman Arch: The class horse of the race just wondering how much he has taken in the trip over to the west

Track Jester: will be getting home at the end of this one but he is drawn wider than Modem but I really liked the way he hit the line last start.

I thrown barriers out the window for now might change come saturday but we'll see what happens

[Sandgroper]

Current WA TAB Odds

MAPPERHOLIC $5.00
EMISSION $7.00
ROMAN ARCH $7.00
MODEM $10.00
RED HANNIGAN $12.00
FINITO $13.00
CORPORATE BRUCE $14.00
EARLY EXPRESS $14.00
HARDRADA $16.00
TRIBULA $16.00
OLD FASHION $17.00
RIVER MIST $18.00
TRACK JESTER $18.00
KENTIARA (4E) $31.00
KINGS ARCH $31.00
SHIRAZAMATAZZ $35.00
SUPERIOR STAR $35.00
KENSYL BAY (2E) $61.00
DEXIAN (1E) $71.00
KAMES HOPE (3E) $71.00


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All the best from the West

Sandgroper :smile:

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[MyHatMyCoat]

For a bit fun only (so, so meeting for betting), Belmont tomorrow-

Race 1 (5) Gloravega & (6) Racontune
Race 2 (2) Rainbow Spectre & (5) Hereditary
Race 3 (4) Lionheart & (6) Major Key
Race 4 (2) Caribbean Royale & (5) Scuetto
Race 5 (5) Mint Play & (8) Maximus Munius
Race 6 (4) Road Back & (10) Mica Star
Race 7 (6) Le Dolphin & (9) Don’t Say Don’t
Race 8 (4) Cherry Blossom & (10) Djeddah Sting

[MyHatMyCoat]

KENTIARA would have a great EW hope (currently 30/1) but very unlikley to get a start - 4th reserve :sad:

[Paddy]

NSWTAB Fixed Odds - Prices at: 11:13:52, 27 Nov 2003
No. Selection Win Place
010 Mapperholic $5.50 $2.10
007 Emission $6.00 $2.25
002 Roman Arch $6.50 $2.35
014 Modem $9.00 $3.00
003 Finito $11.00 $3.50
005 Hardrada $11.00 $3.50
016 River Mist $11.00 $3.50
008 Early Express $13.00 $4.00
006 Corporate Bruce $15.00 $4.50
001 Old Fashion $21.00 $6.00
004 Tribula $21.00 $6.00
015 Track Jester $21.00 $6.00
020 Kentiara 4em $26.00 $7.25
009 King's Arch $41.00 $11.00
013 Superior Star $41.00 $11.00
018 Kensyl Bay 2em $51.00 $13.50
019 Kame's Hope 3em $51.00 $13.50
017 Dexian 1em $81.00 $21.00
011 Red Hannigan Scratched Scratched
012 Shirazamatazz Scratched Scratched

[BettyBoop]

Just another 2 scratchings MyHatMyCoat - fingers crossed.

Do like Modem (14), as pointed out by Paddy, racing in peak form.

Harvey's sticking to Mapperholic (10), so that's my 2nd choice.

One of my favourites Tribula (4), to run a bold race.

For value I'm sticking with Kensyl Bay (18), who is now assured a start.

In the other Group race (WA Champion Fillies Stakes), I'm going for All Keyed Up (4), Belhari (3) & Detail (2). And for value..........wait for it fellas.....Super Women (15) what else! :smile:

[Paddy]

NSWTAB Fixed Odds - Prices at: 18:04:40, 28 Nov 2003
No. Selection Win Place
007 Emission $5.50 $2.25
010 Mapperholic $5.50 $2.10
002 Roman Arch $6.50 $2.35
014 Modem $9.00 $3.00
003 Finito $11.00 $3.50
005 Hardrada $11.00 $3.50
016 River Mist $11.00 $3.50
008 Early Express $13.00 $4.00
006 Corporate Bruce $15.00 $4.50
001 Old Fashion $21.00 $6.00
004 Tribula $21.00 $6.00
015 Track Jester $21.00 $6.00
020 Kentiara 4em $26.00 $7.25
009 King's Arch $41.00 $11.00
013 Superior Star $41.00 $11.00
018 Kensyl Bay 2em $51.00 $13.50
019 Kame's Hope 3em $51.00 $13.50
017 Dexian 1em $81.00 $21.00
011 Red Hannigan Scratched Scratched
012 Shirazamatazz Scratched Scratched


Only mover - Emission - now fav.

[umrum]

after some serious form study I have arrived at the conclusion that Hardrada and corporate bruce(the pocket rocket) will fight out the finish. Grand campaigner Finito and interstate raiders Emission and Roman Arch will be doing their best work late. The value possible placegetters in the race are Kensyl Bay, Modem and Superior Star.

Other tips.

R2 Family Dreams 2/1 or better
R2 Our Big Marcus 5/2 or better

R3 Hartleys dream 1/1

R4 All Keyed up - good bet
R4 Belhari/lady sherifa = savers

R5 Milanova*
R5 Kingston Blaze E/W

R6 Celtus - best bet
R6 Glitzy Show - Quinella special
R6 Zakarak - if your at a pubtab and want to back a roughie this is the one.

R7 Hardrada, Brucey

R8 Laetare, Old Sol - value

R9 Old Beau - value
Beyond Dispute good chance.

cheers and good punting

umrum

[El Gordo]

Belmont tomorrow.

R2: Looks to be plenty of speed. Family Dreams the one to beat. Our Big Marcus next best. Lord Milwyn & Regal Raider also chances.

R3: Hartleys Dream, undefeated, will be running on strongly. Lack of pace could suit Freaky Kontiki. Mungojerrie & Star Laser also some hope.

R4: Taking a line through the WA Guineas, Spirit Lady with Paul Harvey on top, the main chance. Detail next best. Include Moonfire & All Keyed Up in the multiples.

R5: Not a lot of speed, so will settle for Kingston Blaze to lead them a merry dance. Clan Noble will be running on. Include the visitors - Saboteur & Milanova.

R6: Can't split Higgins Gold & Glitzy Show. Celtus in fine form. Include Zedamoss for some value.

R7: Old Corporate Bruce for me - ready to show his best. Finito kept fresh will be flooding home. Don't leave out Modem & Hardrada.

R8: Laetare to hardest to beat. Got too far back in the Guineas, & over 2000M should settle closer. Marshall Vic top run in the Guineas, well in at the weights. Happy Johnson & Mystic Force should be value.

R9: Tribal Secret well drawn & well weighted, a strong chance. So Long Syd, lightly raced, looks promising. Old Beau & Market Wrap also capable at odds.

[Paddy]

WA Champion Fillies Stakes

NSWTAB Fixed Odds - Prices at: 08:14:59, 29 Nov 2003
No. Selection Win Place
004 All Keyed Up $4.80 $1.90
006 Spirit Lady $6.00 $2.25
007 Cintrice $6.00 $2.25
002 Detail $6.50 $2.35
009 Lady Sherifa $8.00 $2.75
003 Belhari $9.00 $3.00
001 Diamond Dash $13.00 $4.00
013 Halogen Miss $15.00 $4.50
011 Clair Sky $17.00 $5.00
005 Moonfire $26.00 $7.25
008 Millfield Miss $31.00 $8.50
010 Frangipani Bay $41.00 $11.00
012 Tissot $41.00 $11.00
014 Cold Reward $67.00 $13.50
015 Super Women $67.00 $17.50
016 Tri Lisa $126.00 $32.25
017 Our Miss Twiggy 1em $126.00 $32.25

I like (4) All Keyed Up from (1) Diamond Dash & (3) Belhari. Longshot - (12) Tissot.


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[Paddy]

NSWTAB Fixed Odds - Prices at: 08:14:59, 29 Nov 2003
No. Selection Win Place
007 Emission $5.50 $2.10
010 Mapperholic $5.50 $2.10
002 Roman Arch $6.00 $2.25
014 Modem $9.00 $3.00
003 Finito $11.00 $3.50
005 Hardrada $11.00 $3.50
016 River Mist $11.00 $3.50
006 Corporate Bruce $15.00 $4.50
008 Early Express $15.00 $4.50
001 Old Fashion $21.00 $6.00
004 Tribula $21.00 $6.00
015 Track Jester $21.00 $6.00
020 Kentiara 4em $26.00 $7.25
013 Superior Star $34.00 $9.25
009 King's Arch $41.00 $11.00
018 Kensyl Bay 2em $51.00 $13.50
019 Kame's Hope 3em $51.00 $13.50
017 Dexian 1em $81.00 $21.00
011 Red Hannigan Scratched Scratched
012 Shirazamatazz Scratched Scratched

Seems there has been money for Roman Arch & Superior Star.

[Cup Head]

I think the clue for the winner is in the name of the race. It's the RAILWAY Stakes so, obviously, the winner must be either Early EXPRESS or TRACK Jester. No charge for this research. Good luck all.

[partypooper]

Gut feeling+ commonsense = Mapperholic
Partpoopers Plum Movers = River Mist
last start too bad 2b tru = Kings Arch

[MyHatMyCoat]

(1) OLD FASHION, (14) MODEM, (7) EMISSION & (17) DEXIAN.

[BettyBoop]

Thanks for tips El Gordo, last few races put me well in front. :smile:

[Paddy]

04 W.A. CHAMPION 3YOF
STAKES
1600 Metres
5:15pm


WIN/PLACE
6 3.40 1.50
12.............6.80
3.............3.70

QUINELLA 42.70
EXACTA 55.00
TRIFECTA 725.80
SPINNER
(EVENS) 1.80

( 6) SPIRIT LADY
(12) TISSOT
( 3) BELHARI

SCR – 17

The winner tipped by El Gordo
2nd by yours truly
3rd tipped by BettyBoop, umrum & yours truly.

Nice exotics. Well done team.

[Paddy]

07 SWAN DRAUGHT
RAILWAY STAKES
1600 Metres
7:17pm
1ST LEG DAILY DOUBLE

WIN/PLACE
5 13.10 3.50
8.............5.00
10.............2.00

QUINELLA 82.40
SPECIAL DIV 10.20
EXACTA 156.10
TRIFECTA 888.20
FIRST4 4105.30
(5-8-10-2)
SPINNER
(MIXED) 1.20

( 5) HARDRADA
( 8 ) EARLY EXPRESS
(10) MAPPERHOLIC

SCR - 11,12,19,20

Winner tipped by umrum & El Gordo
2nd tipped by Cup Head
3rd tipped by BettyBoop & partypooper
4th tipped by Raw Instinct

Again, well done team.


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[Paddy]

Nice to finish off with a bang. Cheers El Gordo :wink:

[Sandgroper]

Yes not a bad effort people. Congrats.

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[umrum]

[quote]
On 2003-11-30 10:45, Sandgroper wrote:
Yes not a bad effort people. Congrats.

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Sandgroper :smile:

good tipping fellas. well done to all. hope you got on hardrada i did. Paid for the falcon strike though. Ha HA

[Sandgroper]

Provisional order of entry - FRUIT ’N’ VEG
STAKES (2000M) - as at 1 December 2003

1 HARDRADA 4G ..................................57.5 Exempt
2 RIVER MIST 3G ..................................51.0 Exempt
3 SPIRIT LADY 3F .................................48.5 Exempt
4 TRACK JESTER 7G ...........................58.0 Exempt
5 OLD FASHION 6G ..............................58.0
6 FINITO 7G ...........................................58.0
7 SUPERIOR STAR 4M .........................55.0
8 LAETARE 3G ......................................51.0
9 FREE AT LAST 5M..............................55.5
10 TRUE STEEL 6G ................................58.0
11 CRIMSON SAKURA ............................55.0
12 MILANOVA 4M ...................................55.0
13 EMISSION 7G .....................................58.0
14 CORPORATE BRUCE 8G...................58.0
15 KENTIARA 5M ....................................55.5
16 CENTO 5G ..........................................58.0
17 DEXIAN 5G .........................................58.0
18 KENSYL BAY 7G ................................58.0
19 MAIN STAGE 6G ................................58.0
20 MOGUL 5G .........................................58.0
21 BOLD MIRAGE(NZ) 6G ......................58.0
22 ALIBI BAY 6G .....................................58.0
23 DEDICATED MISS 6M ........................55.5
24 EUTECTIC 6G .................................... 58.0
25 KIM LISA 5M ...................................... 55.5
26 MR TANZANIA 6G ............................. 58.0
27 CELTUS 4H ........................................ 57.5
28 SHANE'S BOY 6G............................... 58.0
29 MAGIC ACES 3G ............................... 51.0
30 BELHARI 3F ....................................... 48.5
31 THE GREY CARDINAL 6G ................ 58.0
32 AMBERS HALO 4M ........................... 55.0
33 AUSSIE STRIKE 6G ........................... 58.0
34 HEAVY NOVA 5G .............................. 58.0
35 SABOTEUR 7G .................................. 58.0
36 KING CANUTE 4H ............................. 57.5
37 ICE MAGIC 5H ................................... 58.0
38 KELDAAN 5G ..................................... 58.0
39 TAPDOG 6G ....................................... 58.0
40 SECRET LINK 4G .............................. 57.5
41 RAINBOW SPECTRE 5G ................... 58.0
42 DUKE BONGA LONGA 4G................. 57.5
43 INDIGO KING 6G ............................... 58.0
44 THUNDER HAWK 5G ........................ 58.0
45 CARIBBEAN ROYALE 4G ................. 57.5
46 ALL KEYED UP 3F ............................ 48.5



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[BettyBoop]

Just have to have a tip in the ladies invitational classic at Belmont on Saturday!

Top pick (11) Thunder Hawk to be ridden by Christine Puls, all the way from Horsham in VIC.

Next pick (9) Shooters All Round to be ridden by Jodi Borrett, who I think may come all the way from the apple isle. Shooters All round should be nice EW odds.

Third pick the Fred Kersley trained (1) Heavy Nova to be ridden by Bronwyn Mathieson, all the way from Torquay in VIC.

Fourth pick, (6) Chucka Khan to be ridden by Leeann Olsen, the NSW Jockeys' Association president. This horse should also be nice EW odds.

To all the girls, have a safe ride & Good Luck. :smile:

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[Paddy]

Agree BB, good luck to all the girls in the Invitational Classic. Might add Ice Magic & Belhari to your 4 & have some fun with the exotics :wink:

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[Paddy]

Main race at Belmont tomorrow - the PRINCE OF WALES STAKES -1200M. Once again a top rate field.

No. Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight
1 FAIR ALERT Owen Sweetman Ms A D Sansom 11 57.5
2 SECRET REMEDY Neville Parnham W R Hughes 9 57.5
3 IRISH PRIDE Neville Parnham T Stubberfield 3 57.5
4 WYNDAM GLORY Tony McEvoy P Hall 5 57.5
5 KAPRATS W L Radford J S Whiting 1 57.5
6 KAME'S HOPE Colin Webster T K Turner 12 57.5
7 CENTO Fred Kersley P J Carbery 4 57.5
8 MOGUL Lindsey Smith G L Smith 14 57.5
9 DARK 'N' DANGEROUS K W Shanks P B Farrell 8 57.5
10 DOUBLE JEWEL G E Daly S D Parnham (a) 2 57.5
11 KIM STORM M Burnett P D Knuckey 16 57.5
12 STOCKIE'S YARN M W Pateman J F Miller 13 57.5
13 DEAD EYE DICK B P Graham P J Harvey 19 57.5
14 MERCURY HALO Michael Pateman S J Miller 15 57.5
15 HOT SHOT BROTHER P H Jordan J P Claite 6 57.5
16 GOLDEN DELICIOUS Jim Taylor J J Brown 7 55
17E CENT DANCING (NZ) G P Poletti C L Staples 10 57.5
18E AIR OF SUPREMACY G W Webster (Snr) 17 57.5
19E TWIN CITY GIRL Chris Willis 18 55

[Paddy]

What a corker of a race – I see at least 8 genuine chances!!

(3) Irish Pride is my top fancy – thought you’d be surprised :grin:
This fellow is in top form, beaten narrowly by Hardrada over 1200m last start.
Has been kept fresh, is well drawn & well in at the weights.

(4) Wyndam Glory a very good chance. No stranger to Perth – an impressive winner of the Perth Magic Millions last year, not here for a holiday.

(16) Golden Delicious, a frequent visitor to the east. Loves this track & distance. Also well drawn & has the services of the underrated jock, Jason Brown.

(15) Hot Shot Brother, back in form with a vengeance, can go on with it.

[umrum]

On 2003-12-05 09:58, Paddy wrote:
What a corker of a race – I see at least 8 genuine chances!!

(3) Irish Pride is my top fancy – thought you’d be surprised :grin:
This fellow is in top form, beaten narrowly by Hardrada over 1200m last start.
Has been kept fresh, is well drawn & well in at the weights.

(4) Wyndam Glory a very good chance. No stranger to Perth – an impressive winner of the Perth Magic Millions last year, not here for a holiday. or a haircut paddy

(16) Golden Delicious, a frequent visitor to the east. Loves this track & distance. Also well drawn & has the services of the underrated jock, Jason Brown.

(15) Hot Shot Brother, back in form with a vengeance, can go on with it.

[umrum]

perth tips at a glance

R1 spin on in

R2 Devil's Dance
value e/w - rulain also bonnie brae

R3 Hartley's dream - dont take real shorts though

R4 Heavy Nova
Belhari
Key Flyer

R5 Twilight Spy
Moon Talk
Lady go bello/tantra dancer/latte

R6 Golden delicious
Secret Remedy
Irish Pride
Kaprats and wjyndam glory(I know theres a few tips in there but it's hard, if WG is 14/1 have something on it

R7 True Steel
Celtus and an old favourite
Exit Lane

R8 Prince of Vasac

Pretty bloody hard day. Might have a dip at twilight spy and devils dance.

All the best
Cheers
umrum


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[Sandgroper]

Agree Paddy, looks to be 7 or 8 good chances and your & umrum's tips are in my list.

OZBET current fixed odds for the PRINCE OF WALES STKS are as follows:

IRISH PRIDE $4.00
GOLDEN DELICIOUS $5.00
KAPRATS $7.50
FAIR ALERT $8.50
DEAD EYE DICK $9.00
HOT SHOT BROTHER $10.00
WYNDAM GLORY $15.00
MERCURY HALO $15.00
MOGUL $21.00
STOCKIES YARN $21.00
SECRET REMEDY $26.00
KAMES HOPE $26.00
CENTO $31.00
DOUBLE JEWEL $35.00
DARK N DANGEROUS $41.00
KIM STORM $41.00
CENT DANCING (1E) $61.00
AIR OF SUPREMACY (2E) $101.00
TWIN CITY GIRL (3E) $101.00


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[MyHatMyCoat]

(1) FAIR ALERT, (3) IRISH PRIDE, (5) KAPRATS, (14) MERCURY HALO.

[partypooper]

Gut feeling = Fair Alert
Commonsense = Dead Eye Dick
PPM (Partypopers Plum Movers) = Golden Delicious

[Paddy]

04 ROSENDORFFS
INVITATIONAL CLASSIC
1600 Metres
5:55pm
1ST LEG EXTRA DOUBLE

WIN/PLACE
6 7.50 2.50
11...............1.50
1...............2.20

QUINELLA (6-11) 19.90
EXACTA (6-11) 25.70
TRIFECTA
(6-11-1) 235.80
SPINNER (Mixed) 1.90

(6) CHUCKA KHAN (L.OLSEN)
(11) THUNDER HAWK (C.PULS)
(1) HEAVY NOVA (B.MATHIESON)

SCR - 12


Well done BettyBoop, tipped the tri in 4. Thanks. :wink:

[Paddy]

06 CH NINE PRINCE OF
WALES STK WFA
1200 Metres
7:15pm
1ST LEG DAILY DOUBLE

WIN/PLACE
5 7.70 2.50
13...............2.80
15...............3.40

QUINELLA (5-13) 43.40
EXACTA (5-13) 94.30
TRIFECTA
(5-13-15) 902.30
SPINNER (Odds) 1.70
FIRST 4
(5-13-15-7) 11,835.70

(5) KAPRATS (J.WHITING)
(13) DEAD EYE DICK (P.HARVEY)
(15) HOT SHOT BROTHER (J.CLAITE)

SCR - 17,18,19


Winner tipped by umrum & MyHatMyCoat
2nd tipped by partypooper
3rd tipped by yours truly

Missed the 4th placegetter :sad: still not bad tipping for the thread.

[umrum]

god it was a hard day out there on saturday. P. HArvey for the first time in living memory didnt ride a winner. Devils dance - a certanty on paper put in a shocker and his jock M giadresco is close to the worst jock i've seen along with d. luciani.