DONT MAKE SENSE

[kenchar]

Syd race 9

1st $68
2nd $117
3rd $10

Trifecta $3288?????????????

Something wrong here.

[darkydog2002]

NSW TAB had it at
$64/9.70= 13
2nd $18.70 = 7
3rd $3.00= 6.
Cheers.
Darky.

[kenchar]

I was posting WIN prices

[puntz]

NSW results

13 win :64.00 pl:9.70
7 pl:18.00
6 pl:3.00

Trifecta:

13.7.6 paid:3288.70


where did it pay 117.00 for the place ?



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[kenchar]

Read my post

[puntz]

I know I read it,look at the time of both postings, &quot;dead heat&quot; kenchar

however, Ilooked at the early prices, 13 was around 24.60, lowest was 23.60, then seemingly everyone forgot about it.
media hype, again ? or tipsters &quot;eyeshadowing&quot; mug punters ?
See it all the time.....opportunities for some, opportunities missed for others.

[TESTAROSSA]

I don't think the trifecta was won on the winning combination, as well as the quinella and exacta, it probably paid out on a different combination.

Cheers.

[kenchar]

Testa,
They paid in order.

Puntz,
My only point here is if I had snagged it I would have been screaming blue murder.

Cheers

[xptdriver]

I haven't checked what it paidon other totes, but my guess is flexi betting strikes again..and it's only a guess

[thekey]

Reckon the stable may have had crack at this?

By my reckoning the Q should have paid about 3000 but was <100?

The only thing I can come up with.

[sportznut]

Well, I suspect it was TOTALLY due to two horses with very similar names coming home first and second. You know what some mug punters are like. I can pretty much guarantee you that a stack of people out there included Terrific Taurus and Terrible Taurus in their Quinellas and Trifectas purely and simply because of their names. The Trifecta was $6659 up here, but the Quinella was a ridiculous $107. I reckon that's about 1/30th of what it should have paid considering the odds of the two horses!!!



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[stebbo]

The trifecta paid on the correct horses on STAB, and paid $5,423.20

By my reckoning, there were 13.5 units on STAB. (we don't have flexibetting).

I have a little formula which is pretty close normally, and I reckon the Tri should have paid $29,000.

If I had that particular Tri, I would be screaming blue bloody murder, that's for sure......

[Imagele]

How about that!
Logged into the forum specifically to raise the same issue to find myself beaten to the jump.
Proves I'm not totally paranoid.
I stopped betting in NSW about 6 months ago but somehow got dragged into having a trifecta on this race.(must have been looking to get out)
My selections were Desert Sashay and Full on magic to win,those,Domielle and Sunshine Sam for second,all those +1-2-4-14 for 3rd.
I did not find a place for the Taurus twins.
The result and the ridiculous dividends (exotics) have me sworn off (frightened me off) Sydney racing forever.
Can someone more enlightened than me, tell me how I missed the chances of the twins in my painstaking study of the form?
My first reaction was the same as another poster.
Surely it is to do with the names of the horses.
I wonder if the stewards take an interest in this sort of thing?

[Mark]

Same stable, and also what everyone has missed is that the numbers add up, 6-7-13. When they form some sort of pattern (even at a stretch) there usually seems to be extra units on. Serious punters, go figure.

:???:

[crash]

Easy to beat a race but not the Races.
Whoever set that little Xmas presant up [6+7 the place = unlucky 13 the win] had a great sense of humour. Terrible for us and Terrific for them and Taurus the Bull s...

Shocking day for handicapping, only one winner [poacher's luck in Bris.] from 9 bets but saved by two winners from a system I run concurrently. Handicapping nightmare at Rosehill ? You betcha !!

cheers.


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[topsy99]

DONT TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF IT. YOU WILL GO CRAZY. HANG IN ON YOUR OWN HANDICAPPING AND PUT THIS ONE DOWN TO EXPERIENCE.
THIS TYPE OF THING HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
WE CANT GET THEM ALL.
AS A MATTER OF INTEREST I PREACH THE FAITH ON THE FORUM. AS YOU KNOW I BACK LISTED HORSES ONLY AND ONE OF THE TAURUSES HAD A LISTED PLACING. WAS PLACED IN THE HEAVY (TERRIFIC) IN MAY AT ROSEHILL.
AFTER TIPPING LAETARE IN THE BIG ONE AT BELMONT I FOLLOWED UP WITH CRIMSON PAK IN RACE AT AT GREAT ODDS.
ONE OF ONLY TWO LISTED HORSES IN THE RACE (MYSTIC GLOW) THE OTHER. FIRST WIN EVER FOR CRIMSON PAK IN 40 STARTS. NOW THATS FAITH.

[boxhead]

G'day all,
While you all are trying to make sense of things- if you saw or can see a replay of bris r2 where there was a protest 4th v 3rd, can anyone see how it was upheld?
The 4th was hanging in behind the 3rd while the jock was changing hands with the whip,don't know a lot but thought the decision was ??????. People next door lease c u twist cost them about 6k, but we are only bushies so it don't really matter!
cheers
PS I think Katsidis got 8 meetings for the ride???????

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[topsy99]

didnt take notice of the ride but some months ago i mentioned a certain rider here that seemed to lack some urgency.
i know the forum doesnt like us commenting on jockeys so guess will leave it at that.

[noel]

speaking of poor playing trifectas ......does anybody remember a race in perth a couple of years ago ...the placegetters were all roughies 66/1, 100/1 and 50/1 or so....the trifecta only paid about $4,000....one irate punter who had the tri made an inquiry and apparently somebody had a $20 mystery bet on the trifecta and yes, they got the 3 in order 20 times .... the trifecta pool was about $100,000......

cheers,
noel

[purpleheart68]

Those divvies were absolutely ludicrous given the odds of the placegetters.When and where is the TAB accountable????In QLD.(where I am)both horses were showing upwards of $60win,yet the quin pays $107????In NSW the quin only paid $88???Pourquoi???The tri only paid $3288.70 in NSW.QLD.$6659.90.

Please explain.It is a joke.Let's ask the powers that be in the TAB to declare the size of the actual pool on that particular race,and the number of winning tickets.No bullshit about some punter scooping the pool and eroding the divvies with some phantom mystery trifecta.I have Malcom Knowles book on quinellas in front of me as I write.Quinella odds look up table:50/1 into 50/1;approx expected divvie $1274!!!!Yet both the first and second horse were showing over $60 when they jumped.I think something should be done about this.My mainstream avenue of betting is multiple quinellas,doubles and trifectas.I bet to prices on each combination to take out a certain amount.I would never in my wildest dreams had that combo,but would have been pretty pissed if I had!!!Can anyone explain this anomaly to me realistically?Can management look into it on an official level for the benefit of all punters??

[umrum]

I think this is clearly a case of 'mug' punters seeing the two taurus horses(great training and breeding effort mind you) and quinella-ing them.

[sportznut]

Totally spot on Umrum. There wasn't anything underhanded, illegal or sneaky going on.

It was mug punters' money pure and simple. Just a whole lot of people who spotted a Terrific Taurus and a Terrible Taurus in the same race and thought 'What a great quinella! I just have to put a couple of bucks on that.'




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[umrum]

and to make it worse they would have been spruiking in the pub tabs left right and centre; " just got a $100 quinella", should have been a $1000 Q.

cheers
umrum

[becareful]

Can't see what all the fuss is about - obviously the name element being picked up by the mugs. Tabcorp had just over $30,000 in the Quinella pool so bit over $180 worth of winning tickets.

I think anyone complaining about this needs to consider whether they should be betting exotics where you have no control over the price you get! Then again I don't remember seeing any complaints when a quinella or trifects pays MORE than the estimates you get by looking at the respective win prices :smile:

[umrum]

have you ever heard of anyone complaining when they get MORE than they should have and/or expected to get BC. I know punters often say what a great divy which is in a sense praise for the tabs and now it is criticism. Which is justified in this case.

cheers
umrum

[topsy99]

some truth in umrums comment.
recently backed romar dale at $29
very disappointed when forced to take $89 dividend.

[H]

Comment in the sydney paper today on the quinella divi in NSW where the pool was $75k but a very high number of tickets coupling the taurus horses. Even more popular than coupling some of the favoured horses.

[sportznut]

Yeah, just what I thought.

In fact, I'd suggest the quinella dividend would probably have been higher if the favourite Sunshine Sam had run second!!!

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[Hammers]

Purpleheart,

What do you want the TAB's to do about it? Not a doubt in the world it was the mug punter approach to picking names that caused this divvy to be 1/10th of what it should be. If you can legislate against that you'll rub out about 80% of the money invested through TAB's each race.

A similar thing happened at Canterbury night races a couple of years back when Woodlands/Hawkes had the tri. From memory all three were around $8-$12 mark and the tri paid $190. In the field of 14 or so it should have paid $1000. Big Jack might have had something to do with it or it could have been the mugs following a stable blindly.

[sportznut]

Yeah, you can't have it both ways. I mean, all that money on the Taurus horses means that there would have been an above average dividend had any of the more favoured combinations come home. Let's face it... this was the sort of freaky result that happens once every blue moon, so there's no need to worry about it.

It reminds me of something that happened with the Lotto a few years back. There was some confusion when the first division paid an incredibly miniscule amount compared to the normal first division prize. Well, this is what happened. The 6 winning numbers when marked off on the Lotto coupon formed a pattern in the shape of a star and hundreds of people all over Australia had marked that pattern on their coupons!!!

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[Imagele]

It goes without saying there was a high number of investment units on the taurus twins on both quinella and trifecta betting.
It's accepted that's the reason for the low dividends.
Don't have to be a genius to work that one out.
It doesn't go without saying however, that mug punters were to blame.
I'm a little bemused as to why the so called mug punters did not invest equally as heavily for the win if they believed so much in the likely quinella result.
After all, 1 of the 2 had to win before a quinella could be collected.

[Imagele]

SPORTZNUT
Re your comment on Tattslotto.
I remember that incident and I can tell you that 5 of the 6 numbers out on that night came out the week before.
I suspect that a lot of people work on theory of lightning striking twice and use combinations of numbers recently drawn.

[sportznut]

Imagele,

The simple fact of the matter is this:
Most of those mug punters probably didn't honestly expect either horse to actually win. I'm thinking that they probably just decided to throw a couple of bucks on a quinella and trifecta just for 'fun'.




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[Imagele]

Sportznut
Must mean the stable is not too smart then.
They train these 2 horses to run a quinella
and presumably don't have a cracker on them.
The "mugs" got the lot.

[umrum]

The 'mugs' got bugger all really. How many mugs would have a big bet say 20 units or approx on those two to run 1-2. I'd say it was the bl**dy mystery punters who took the lot.

[becareful]

What are mystery punters? Surely they are the muggiest of the mugs as they don't care at all what they bet on!

[umrum]

On 2003-12-17 13:40, becareful wrote:
What are mystery punters? Surely they are the muggiest of the mugs as they don't care at all what they bet on!

They are annoying divy stealing mystery punters. The mugs back on names/numbers.

Yeah you are right BC. They are mugs.

cheers
umrum