roulette stats

[ogden]

Does anybody know where I can obtain some real (not simulated) Roulette statistics, say at least 5000 spins.

[Mr. Logic]

From your local casino. You and your friends pay a visit. They even give you cards to record the numbers.

[moeee]

On 2004-06-30 14:59, ogden wrote:
Does anybody know where I can obtain some real (not simulated) Roulette statistics, say at least 5000 spins.


Sad.

[Mr J]

I hope you're not trying to come up with some silly system based on previous results.

You should stay away from roulette unless you are looking to exploit a flaw in the wheel (which I highly doubt you'll find).

[AssumeTheCrown]

Some people win on roulette.
See newspaper article below.

Madrid
June 24, 2004


Spain's Supreme Court has ruled against a casino that sought to bar a fabulously successful roulette player who used a number-crunching system to predict where the ball would land.

Ending 10 years of litigation, the court ruled that Gonzalo Garcia-Pelayo, a mathematician and record producer, had not cheated and that the Casino de Madrid could not deny him entry.

Working with a group of colleagues, Pelayo's trick was to write down the winning numbers of myriad roulette games, then have a computer digest them. The idea was that roulette wheels had tiny construction flaws, such as tilts, that favour certain numbers over others.

The casino, which denied entry to Garcia-Pelayo in 1992, was overruled by the government in 1994 and had been seeking ever since to reimpose the ban.

Garcia-Pelayo's crew won more than one million euros ($A1.77 million) from the Madrid casino, including 600,000 euros ($A1.06 million) in one day, the newspaper El Pais reported.

[Mr J]

Yeh he found apparently exploited a flaw. I don't think this poster is doing that though. I get the impression he wants to record which numbers have come out, so he knows which ones are 'due'.

[ogden]

thanks for your replies to my inquiry re roulette stats. The scepticism about roulette systems is justified. No I am not trying to develop some silly system, there's an abundance of them already out there. The only true system evident from my many visits to the roulette wheel is that losing is normal, winning is merely good luck and doesn't last any longer than a few minutes at any one time.
Having said that, there is a system that I have had some luck with, and need to crunch the numbers to convince myself that it, too, is a loser, before finally giving up at roulette. It goes like this ...........

[Mark]

What's disappointing is that this site "smartgambler", is currently advertising a roulette system.

[Mr J]

Where Mark?

[Mark]

Mr J

Go to the top of the page, it appears in a rectangular box. The ads take turns. If not, have a look at the same box up top when posting a replay.

[Management]

Mark, Smartgambler is simply carrying a paid advertisement for Osvald Marchoni. We don't offer a roulette package ourselves.

There are well documented ways of beating roulette, either by various illegal mechanical means or by visual acuity, which very few people are able to manage but is possible. This is not widely known. Only the myriad mathematical systems that get spruiked are spurious.

Marchoni is an engineer so it's quite probable the system he is advertising is mechanical, in which case it may well work.

Ogden, there is a link to an online roulette simulator in the roulette section of Smartgambler. (Of course!) See menu on left hand side of page at http://www.smartgambler.com.au

Regards,

OZmium management.

[Management]

PS. From memory the heading is "Casino Games" followed by sub heading "Roulette".

[Mr J]

"There are well documented ways of beating roulette, either by various illegal mechanical means or by visual acuity"

Yeh but the poster wasn't talking about predicting where the ball will land based on physics, he was talking about recording previous results. The only way previous results might produce an advantage is if the wheel has a flaw. The sample size needed would be massive and the edge probally wouldn't be worth exploiting anyway.

[Mr. Logic]

Mr J,
If you reread the thread I think you'll see Management was replying to Mark's post which said:
"What's disappointing is that this site "smartgambler", is currently advertising a roulette system."
Management was not replying to the original poster who started the thread.

[ogden]

Thankyou management for that info

On 2004-07-06 15:52, Management wrote:
....................There are well documented ways of beating roulette, either by various illegal mechanical means or by visual acuity, which very few people are able to manage but is possible. This is not widely known. Only the myriad mathematical systems that get spruiked are spurious.

Marchoni is an engineer so it's quite probable the system he is advertising is mechanical, in which case it may well work.

u/quote]

Also quoting from your Smartgambler Roulette website in a discussion about the Reverse Labouchere incident.... ."The theory preferred by our professional gambler is that the syndicate was using the only method that can really beat Roulette, some sort of mechanical attack. The casino realised this and that is why the Leigh syndicate was banned (something unlikely to occur if the casino thought they were using a staking system only).

I'm intrigued. Management, would you please mind explaining "mechanical attack" ??

[moeee]

Still think you have lost the plot if you consider roulette gambling.

[Mr J]

Ogden, there are only 3 ways to beat roulette:

1) Exploiting a flaw in the wheel.

2) Predicting where the ball will land based on physics, whether using eye and brain or a computer (yes they do exist).

3) Rigging the game. Ie having the dealer trying to hit the part of the wheel that you are betting on.

Anyone who thinks they can win at roulette long term by mechanical means (whatever that is) or otherwise must be dreaming. A flaw or bias in the wheel is the only possible way and the chances of finding that are like finding a needle in a haystack.

[Mr J]

Kiwiguy read my post again. You are wrong about there being only one way to beat roulette. Roulette computers exist, and it is also possible to rig the game (dealer aim for your numbers).

The one thing you are correct about is that finding a wheel with a flaw is very unlikely. Even then it'd be questionable to bet it, as the edge would be small and variance massive.

Mr J,
Having the dealer try to hit the part of the wheel you are betting on. Come on now; with a manager looking over the table. Yeah right. I said long term profits not short term. I can win short term by taking red or black or odds or evens but to win long term is just a dream. Predicting where the ball will land by either using eye or brain? Isn't that what everyone does? I'm sure Mr J that if there are computers that will guarantee a long term profit from playing roulette then I'm sure you wouldn't be spending time here telling everyone about it. You would be in the Bahamas living a life of luxury from your winnings. I spend up to eight hours a day at the casino and see the same faces day in and day out and I have yet to see anyone win long term at roulette.

[moeee]

Kiwiguy.
Is working at a casino satisfying?

[Mr J]

Kiwiguy, you obviously don't know much about this.

Dealers often try to shoot for a particular part of the wheel, simply because they are bored. Some very experienced but nasty dealers will actually aim for the part of the wheel with the least bets. This isn't silly ploppy talk, I'm saying this as an advantage player.

As to predicting where the ball will land based on physics, it's very hard to compute, even once you have a formula. Very few people are able to do this.

There are computers that will do the same thing, and can get a significant edge. I thought about buying one. In the end, the risk of getting caught, and the limited earning potential is what kept me away.

"have yet to see anyone win long term at roulette."

It's unlikely that you'll ever come across someone able to beat roulette in some way (even if you work in a casino). Roulette advantage players are EXTREMELY rare.

Sports has the most potential for all advantage player. The edge you can gain can be significant, and the betting limits are MUCH higher. Therefore you can turnover much more, which = profit.

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Mr J,
As far as I'm concerned subject closed. You seem to know it all so I will say no more. I'm just saying that long term a player will not win at roulette. Apart from my say so there are countless books that say exactly the same.

Moeee,
I don't work at the casino I observe and record data from casino games for pleasure and hopefully profit.

[Mr J]

"I'm just saying that long term a player will not win at roulette."

And I'm saying there are a handful that have the skills/equipment to be able to.

Craps is also beatable.

[Squirter]

CRAPS !!!!

Yeah, I love that word, I see a lot of it on these forums.

Squirter.

[moeee]

On 2004-07-12 16:27, kiwiguy wrote:

Moeee,
I don't work at the casino I observe and record data from casino games for pleasure and hopefully profit.



A case of different strokes for different blokes.
I am happy for you that you get pleasure from your chosen activity,but when I see the amount of financial expenditure expended to set up a casino,I don't fancy your chances of profit unless they see you there so much they offer you a job.

Hope they don't start charging you rent.

Cheers - Mo.

P.s. Can't believe this thread has had so many posts.

Moeee,
Read my thread on baccarat.
Cheers,
Kiwiguy

[moeee]

Yes Kiwiguy,I read your baccarat thread.
You know,I spend a few evenings a week at the local TAB.
And many times I say to fellow punters,If I walk out with about what I walked in with,I count it as a successful night.
There is more to punting than just winning.
If you can find an interesting way to bet and buy a lot of time with a little loss,then you can get much satisfaction.
BUT!.Keep away from anything that involves spinning wheels or discs.
Exception being Two-up if they have it.

Just be careful you don't give up your day job.:smile:

[rabbitz]

moee wrote stay away from anything that involves spinning wheels and discs
so you dont bet on the trots,formula 1,cycling,discus,primo throwing plates at french soccer players.
cheers