Mr J

Just like to ask your thoughts on this one regarding roulette. I saw a guy doing this yesterday, and yes luck was on his side, but he made a fortune. He was taking two of the dozen columns each spin and also placing $2 on the zero. His bets were added to after each loss apart from the zero of course. The way I see it you have a 66% chance of a collect which is much better than taking red/black odds/evens etc. He varied which column he placed his bets on but always followed the column with the previous winning number. I was thinking that instead of only taking the zero you could take the zero, one, two, three with a $2 bet and there would only be nine numbers not covered if you took the second two dozens. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated along with anyone elses.

Moeee if you are reading this I promise I wont mention the word roulette again or post another thread on the subject.

[moeee]

I was contemplating what comment I should make whilst reading your post.As I got near the end I thought of only one response.SAD.
Then I saw my name and obviously there is some sort of mental telepathy at work here so I withhold any further comment until further notice.

[Squirter]

Moeee.... crickey, unbelievable.

The casino always wins in the long run, why try and beat it? Ultimately you'll either break even or lose money. The latter being more likely.

Unless of course you're satisfied with $50 profit and never gamble again.

Stick to sports betting.

[Mr J]

Kiwi, all that does is change the distribution. It doesn't matter what combo of boxes you bet on, you will still be placing negative expectation (losing) bets. The casino has worked this all out mathematically.

Czar I disagree. There are many ways to beat the casino, they just don't include silly betting schemes etc

Ways to beat the casino:

Video poker
You have to identify a machine that is overpaying. The odds in VP are fixed, so when the jackpot gets high enough it becomes a +EV game. Not much VP in Aus though.

Blackjack
Card counting. Using a numerical system to keep track of the type of cards that come out.

Roulette
Using physics to predicat where the ball will land. Most people that do this use a computer (illegal in NSW). Very few people can do this by eye-brain (although I'm sure 50% of people in a casino try it this way).

Craps
I believe it is called sharpshooting? Basically you practice throwing the die until you can you can throw them so your numbers come up slightly more often. Now THIS is real skill, and is the hardest to pick up of the 4 ways I've mentioned here. Not based on anything mechanical or mathematical, just a physical skill.

You can also beat the casino by riggin a game. Even if the scam is very well thought through and clever, it won't take long for them to catch on, so I'd avoid doing this.

The free money raffles are another way to beat the casino. Riskfree money, best +EV around. I made some money of this back in the day.

Kiwi, my suggestion to you is that if you want to profit off gambling, take up poker or sportsbetting. The edges there are much larger than what you will get in a casino game.

Mr J Thank you for your positive feedback. I am still winning at baccarat after three weeks of playing the system I devised (see previous thread) but sometimes it is a mighty long interval between bets. I was up $400 but got a bit carried away thinking it was easy money and gave quite a bit back. However I have tightened the reigns so to speak and am now regaining the losses of last week. Long may it last.

[Dan]

Mr J. In regards to craps shooting, you're actually trying to avoid the seven more than hit a particular number. You only need to hit the seven a little bit less than random to have an edge. This is done both through setting a favourable dice set before you throw and throwing ina way that they stay on axis and lightly touch the bottom of the wall, hence avoiding the randomizing effect of the pyramids on the back wall. For example, you might have a dice set that's favourable to 6's and 8's and have the most of the possible seven combinations on the outside and then have a place bet on 6 and 8. Provided you can keep the dice on axis every now and then, you'll have an edge.

That's the theory anyway, some ppl swear by it and some say it's impossible.

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[moeee]

I'm sorry,but I just can't hold it back anymore.

SAD.

Moeee do you ever have anything constructive to say or are you basically just a negative person?

kiwiguy maybe we just see this guy at the wrong times in the month or something, because to me he always seems negative.

Mr J: all of the systems you mentioned can work but they include so many flaws and risks that I wouldn't rely on them.

Dice rolling - I don't think there is a lot of technique in this, but if there is a person who can consistently get the right numbers then he/she deserves every cent they make.

Card counting - I'd like you to explain this system to me as I've heard of it before and I'm interested in knowing how it works.

Blackjack, however, is one of the few games where I think the gambler has an actual chance of winning more than losing - even without card counting.

Thanks.




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[Mr J]

The sharpshooting is extremely difficult. It takes a long time to get right. No idea what sort of advantage you can get on it, but I've heard of some guys making alot.

Roulette, well most roulette advantage players let a palm computer do the work for them :wink: Variance isn't as high as you'd think. For an advantage player the risk is in getting caught, not losing their BR.

Video Poker is the easiest advantage play out there. Alot of variance, so you need a large bankroll (in relation to bet size). You basically find a machine where the pot is high, and you play VP basic strategy.

Blackjack (card counting). What you do is keep track of the cards that have come out, so then you have an idea of cards still to come. You see the more high cards left in the deck, the better for the player. More high cards= greater chance of dealer bust, greater chance of BJs, and better results of doubling and splitting.

There is plenty of info around the net on card counting.

[Mr J]

BTW, the house advantage on BJ in aussie casino's in generally around 0.5% if making plays according to basic strategy (basically a play chart). While shorterm the players always have a good chance of walking away a winner, they are still more likely to lose than win.

[Squirter]

Kiwiguy,
I have a book here that may interest you and is called....POKER: A GUARANTEED INCOME FOR LIFE. The first paragraph goes something like this.

" The object of poker is to win maximum money. Poker is not a card game; poker is a game of deception, manipulation and money management. Cards are merely the tools for manipulating opponents and money. From the smallest penny-ante game to the largest table stake game, all money eventually goes to the good player. His key weapons are his mind and a license to use unlimited deception.
In poker, while chance may influence each separate hand, the opportunities ( hands ) are so numerous that chance or "luck" becomes insignificant and success becomes certain. Application of the proper poker concepts assures financial success"

If interested leave your email address here in "long-hand" mate, and don't think your going to read this in 5 minutes as it is A4 sized and about 350 pages to-gether with some VERY interesting photos, and I take it you are in Auckland somewhere.

Far-Canal.

Hi Squirter,
Thanks for that mate but to be honest I'm not really into poker more's the pity it would seem. I used to play years ago with varying success but these days I prefer something where I don't have to think too hard...lol Yes I do live in Auckland, about 10 minutes walk from the casino.

[moeee]

Right.That's it.From now on to all those people that disagree with me,I am going to agree with.
Those lavish Casinos all over the world are figments of my imagination.What they actually are,is Salvation Army Depots.And they just love to give poor misguided souls handouts.

[rabbitz]

Ditto SAD

[moeee]

Would that be SAD as in "Mo,SAD",or "Mo,I agree,SAD".
Hey!.How about that!.
The letters S.A.D. actually spell out Salvation Army Depot.
Promise to God and hope to die,that this was not some trickery and skullduggery on my part.
The Vibe is with me.

[rabbitz]

Ditto mo's vibe is sad
seriously folks,when are going to stop worrying about bias in roulette wheels and shady blackjack dealers and too much brasso on the two up pennies which could affect their flight, altitude,affect on different types of carpet,and put our heads together and concentrate on a sport we can control,say ...er.. horse racing or miss world
cheers

Maybe you should go the S.A.D moeee. They will look after you and maybe give you a brighter outlook on life. This forum is for suggestions and advice surely? I am well aware that casinos are there to make money but for those that want a bit of harmless fun surely this forum can help suggest ways to help prevent massive losses. There are some that make a profit from gambling. I wonder if you do but presume with your negative attitude that you would be one of the losers. I only asked for advise not a winning system or criticism. You are not obliged to read the thread or comment on it. Concentrate on something you THINK you know something about. Most people lose at gambling whether it be casino games, sports betting or horse racing. The casino is just a betting medium I prefer to concentrate on at the moment.

[moeee]

Yes I am suffering with depression.
Yes I am addicted to Gambling.
Yes I am an alcaholic.
Yes.Yes.Yes.
You want fun Kiwiguy,buy a playstation.
Going to Casino everyday,on your own,is not amusement.
I do the same shit myself.Except my Casino is the local TAB.And my days are evenings.
I'm not proud of it and certainly do not justify it or promote it.
I realize now,that I am taking out my frustrations on other poor souls caught up in this insatiable appetite that gambling produces.
I apologise for criticizing the way you go about satisfying your gambling hunger and wish you every success in your pursuits.
But just one thing.I might sound like a miserable old soul,but I tell you what,I have more sympathy for you than those who run those lavish Casinos.

truce moeee?

[moeee]

Aw.Shucks.Okay.