JANUARY TIPPING COMPETITION (Jan 1)

[Sportz]

There are some new rules for the January comp.

COMPETITION RULES:

$150 to bet with each week. $100 in win/each way bets, a $30 trifecta and a $20 all-up bet. Of course, all tips to be posted prior to the jump time of your first race. In the case of scratchings, it would be desirable if you could make changes, especially for the trifecta part of the comp. If that's not possible however, your scratched horses will simply be taken out and that money refunded.

WIN / EACH-WAY BETTING: ($100)
No restriction at all on the number of selections per race or the amount bet on any race, as long as your bets add up to $100. However, you can only bet the following amounts:
$5 win, $10 win, $20 win, $30 win, $40 win, $50 win
$5 e-w, $10 e-w, $15 e-w, $20 e-w, $25 e-w

TRIFECTA BETTING: ($30)
Everyone to pick out one trifecta each week. It can be on any race. It will be a 1/2 unit trifecta and there are 4 options you can choose:
Option 1: A 5 horse 'box' trifecta (If any 3 of your 5 horses finish in the placings in any order, you win)
Option 2: A 3/6/6 trifecta (3 horses to win, and those 3 plus another 3 for the 2nd and 3rd placings)
Option 3: A 2/7/7 trifecta (2 horses to win, and those 2 plus another 5 for the 2nd and 3rd placings)
Option 4: A Roving Banker with 5 others (Your 'banker' MUST finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd, and any 2 of the other 5 to fill the other placings)
Please set out very clearly which option you want to use and which horses you want for 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

ALL-UP BETTING: ($20)
Everyone to pick out a $20 all-up bet at one of the venues each week.
You can have 2, 3 or 4 races and you are allowed to pick each selection for a win OR for a place.
Of course, normal place betting rules apply. If your horse runs 3rd in a field of 7 and there's no 3rd div, then that's counted as a loss. Also, please specify if you want any or all of your selections for a place, because if not, I'll just assume you're picking them to win.

Any questions, just ask.

Good luck.

[luv2bet]

sounds good to me sportz!!
Keep up the good work.

[Sportz]

Early scratchings to help people out a bit:

Doom 2-10, 11, 12
Doom 3-1
Doom 5-6
Rand 4-1
Flem 3-9
Morp 8-7

Also Doom 7-1 is highly unlikely and Doom 2-2 & 5 are both doubtful.

[ra sun]

OK, back from a little while away. time for a few winners.

All- Up
MR race 5 #6 Quillon (win) all-up MR race 6 #10 Kane Smytzer (win) $20

Trifector
BR Race 1 #'s 1*2*4*6*7 Boxed

Win/place

BR Race 4 #4 Collared $25 each way
AR race 3 #2 Desert Mission $50 wins

[Chuck]

TRIFECTA: Randwick Race 6: 4,2 / 1,2,3,4,5,6,8 / 1,2,3,4,5,6,8 --- 50c = $30

ALL-UP: Randwick 1-4 into 6-4 into 8-3 - All for a PLACE $20

OTHERS:
Randwick Race 1-4 MEN AT WORK - $50 Win
Randwick Race 6-4 SUNSET RUN - $10 E.W
Randwick Race 8-3 WINBREAKER - $10 E.W
Flemington Race 8-1 DEMERGER - $5 E.W

Hope this is O.K

Chuck

[sparkus8]

Thought I'd give this a crack!!

All Up: Newcastle R4-10 (Place) x R5-6 (Place) x R7-1 (Win) = $20

Trifecta: Sydney R6 - 1,4/1,2,3,4,5,6,7/1,2,3,4,5,6,7 for $0.50c = $30

Win/Each Way:
Sydney R2-2 Lord Bubbles - $20 Win
Doomben R2-15 Sprung - $20 Win
Doomben R6-3 Show Biz Kid $10 EW
Newcastle R4-10 Mollyhawk $10 Win
Newcastle R5-6 Winaqua $10 Win
Newcastle R7-1 Estaad - $20 Win
= $100

Hope that is sweet Sportz

[doomben]

Hi .. assume its open to everyone .. sounds like fun .. cheers and good luck to all .. (It sure is going to be a lot of work tracking them all !! )

TRIFECTA:
Doomben Race 5: 7,1 / 1,2,3,5,7,9,10 / 1,2,3,5,7,9,10 -- 50c = $30.

ALL UP:
Doomben: R4 # 1 into R5 # 7 into R6 #6 - all for a PLACE $20.

WINS:
Flemington Race 4 #1 CATSCAN - $20 Win
Doomben Race 6 # 6 TOP MARC - $20 Win
Randwick Race 8 # 1 DESERT RANSOM - $20 Win
Morphetville Race 2 # 1 BRINDABELLA - $20 WIN
Morphetville Race 4 # 3 Mt BILLY - $20 Win

[Rudolph]

All Up - Randwick- R1 No.4 into R7 No.1 = $20
Option 1 Tri - Flemington - R9 No. (1,2,4,5,15) 50c = $30

Flemington R3-No.5 El Man Goss $20 win.
Flemington R5-No.4 Modern Era $10 win.
Flemington R6-No.2 Chong Tong $10 win.
Flemington R7-No.1 Red Hannigan $20 win.
Flemington R8-No.2 Fawaz $10 win
Flemington R8-No.10 Mooring's Melody $5 EW
Morphetville R6-No.1 White Foil $10 win
Doomben R3-No.2 Kashkii $10 win.

Hope this is Ok!

[Sportz]

Yep. All spot on. Well done.

[Sportz]

Hi .. assume its open to everyone

Sure is :)

It sure is going to be a lot of work tracking them all !!

Yep, but I find it quite interesting working it all out and seeing what everyone's picked.

Good luck everyone.

[lomaca]

All Up - Flemington- R5 No.1 into R6 No.2 Place = $20
Option 1 Tri - Flemington - R5 No. (1,4,5,7,9) 50c = $30
(if any scratchings then No.2 Capadan is the next in the tri)
Flemington R5-No.1 Mr O'hara $25.00 EW
Flemington R5-No.7 Evasion $25.00 EW

[Raider]

Not sure on most of these. Might have a bit on Shangos image for myself. Appeared to be coming home OK last start.

Trifecta Br 4 1,3,4/1,2,3,4,5,6/1,2,3,4,5,6

All up Ar 4 no 5 She rules onto Ar 7 no 7 Pagano $20 Places on both

Qr 5 no 5 Helter Skelter $20 win
Qr 7 no 1 Devil $20 win
Br 5 no 1 Shysu $20 win
Mr 6 no 5 Shangos image $20 win
Mr 7 no 10 Tenesee Tom $20 win

[Horse Whisperer]

ALL UP : BR5 NO.1 SHYSU --> BR6 NO.1 CONSULAR

TRIFECTA: BR4: NO'S 1, 2, 6, 9 & 13 BOXED

BR2 NO.1 KATSIDIS $10 E/W
BR4 NO. 13 MOROCCAN BOY $10 E/W
BR5 NO.1 SHYSU $10 E/W
BR6 NO.1 CONSULAR $10 E/W
MR6 NO.1 SUPER IMPRESSIVE $10 E/W

[brave chief]

Trifecta: Mlb R5 (1/2 unit) $30
4,9 / 1,3,4,6,8,9,10 / 1,3,4,6,8,9,10

All-up: Syd R1/4 Men At Work - Syd R7/1 Dante's Paradiso $20 Win

Syd R4/2 Kincharm $50 Win
Mlb R9/16 Thomas Henry $25 E/W

[a4brianp]

I have a go although more comfortable dragging a sulky.

MELB 3/8 The lanz 20/20 big chance in this
melb 5/4 modern era 20/20
Bris 6/7 Drunken sailor $20 win

Trifecta
syd race 5 / 1 2 3 4 6 boxed
allup syd 2/2 Lord bubble win $20
7/1 Dantes paridiso win

Cheers good luck all

[Raw Instinct]

Triffecta

MR 8 13,16,6/13,16,6,3,2,8

All up

MR 3 #8 The Lanz into MR #6 Polaire $20


MR 1 #4 Smytzer's Prelude $10 win
MR 3 #8 The Lanz $10 win
MR 6 #11 Keeping The Faith $10 win
MR 8 #13 Forrest Pride $10 win
MR 9 #6 Polaire $10 win
SR 6 #3 Presently $10 win
BR 5 #3 Prophet Jewel $10 win
BR 6 #4 Celtic Trial $10 win
BR 6 #2 Raw Instinct $10 win
PR 8 #4 Laetare $10 win

[Raw Instinct]

Couldn't agree more with you A4Brian on the Lanz does look a good chance indeed

[Sportz]

Bris 6/7 Drunken sailor $20 win


Don't you mean Drunken Joker? :D

[nulla]

MR4 NO1 Catscan all up MR7 NO1 Red Hannigan 20W
Tri Option 4 Roving Banker MR9 NO15/ 1.2.4.14.18....50c
MR2 NO1 Plans 40W
MR6 NO2 Chong Tong 40W
MR8 NO12 Pattie Royale 10 E/W
Good luck everyone, should have done this yesterday the head was clearer

[TESTAROSSA]

TRIFECTA:

Flemington R7 - 1,5,6/1,2,5,6,7,8/1,2,5,6,7,8 - 50c - $30.

ALL UP:

Morphettville R4 (3) Mt Billy - R8 (4) Major's Creek - $20.

OTHERS:

Randwick R4 (2) Kincharm - $20 WIN.
Randwick R8 (10) Blue Patriarch - $5 EW.
Flemington R5 (2) Capadan - $10 EW.
Flemington R9 (5) Lancaster's Gold - $10 EW.
Flemington R9 (9) Willie Command - $10 EW.
Morphettville R2 (3) Honour Kate - $10 WIN.

Cheers.

[MartinFriedman]

..
Friedman Family Outsiders Tipping Competition Selections for Saturday 1 January 2005
.
Martin's tips are marked (*M)
Carol's tips are marked (*C)
Zev's tips are marked (*Z)
.
$30 5-box trifecta
Syd: R4 #4,6,7,10,11 (*M)
Melb: R8 #5,6,9,10,12 (*C)
Melb: R6 #4,8,9,10,12 (*Z)
.
$20 All-Up PLACE Bets:
Syd: R4 #11 Pecan into R7 #10 The Spit (*M)
Syd: R4 #6 Brenda Lee into R8 #11 Dune Warrior (*C)
Melb: R8 #5 Sir Pentire into R9 #7 Loong Har (*Z)
.
Others $10 each way:
.
Sydney (Randwick):
race 4 (2:30pm), #11 Pecan (*M), #6 Brenda Lee (*C), #7 Junebug (*Z)
race 7 (4:30pm), #10 The Spit (*M), #9 Run Rita Run (*C), #3 Restless (*Z)
race 8 (5:10pm), #8 Lindy's Groom (*M), #11 Dune Warrior (*C), #9 Nick 'N' John (*Z)
.
Melbourne (Flemington):
race 6 (4:10pm), #8 Confederate Kid (*M), #12 Leone Chiara (*C), #4 Green Machine (*Z)
race 8 (5:30pm), #12 Pattie Royale (*M), #10 Mooring's Melody (*C), #5 Sir Pentire (*Z)
...

[feather]

ALL UP:-
SR2 #2 LORD BUBBLES AND R7 #1 DESERT RANSOM $20

BOX 5 TRIFECTA:-
BR4 # 2-4-13-1-5 $30

VR R2 #9 PATRICIA CLARE $10 WIN
MR R5 #9 PORTO DOURO & # 1 MR O'HARA $10 WIN EACH
AR R5 # 1 HONALEE $10 WIN
AR R7 #6 CHICKALOO & #3 JIMMY'S EDGE $10 WIN EACH
SR R2 #2 LORD BYBBLES & #1 JYMCAREW $10 EACH WIN
SR R5 #2 VACHERE & #5 NAVAHO PRINCESS $10 WIN EACH

hope this is right, thanks for explaining the different trifectas to.

[Raw Instinct]

Triffecta

MR 8 13,16,6/13,16,6,3,2,8

All up

MR 3 #8 The Lanz into MR #6 Polaire $20


MR 1 #4 Smytzer's Prelude $10 win
MR 3 #8 The Lanz $10 win
MR 6 #11 Keeping The Faith $10 win
MR 8 #13 Forrest Pride $10 win
MR 9 #6 Polaire $10 win
SR 6 #3 Presently $10 win
BR 5 #3 Prophet Jewel $10 win
BR 6 #4 Celtic Trial $10 win
BR 6 #2 Raw Instinct $10 win
PR 8 #4 Laetare $10 win


Sports can I please change one of my picks please get rid of Smytzer's Prelude and make it QR 7 #4 Stormcat Academy $10 win

[doomben]

In trifecta .. 9 scratched .. can i substitue 4 .. now reads:
Doomben Race 5: 7,1 / 1,2,3,4,5,7,10 / 1,2,3,4,5,7,10 -- 50c =$30

Ta ..

[Sportz]

Raw, did you get some inside info about Smytzer's Prelude or something. :)

It ran a shocker.

[Raw Instinct]

Funny thing was mate I turned around and backer Our Orpen myself in the end so turned out real well

[QuickFunBet]

Trifecta Melb R8 4,6,9,10,15 Box

All Up (Place) Melb R7 10 Tenessee Tom into R9 15 Phoenix Express

Win Bets @ $20.00
Melb R5 9 Porto Douro
Melb R6 11 Shango's Image
Melb R7 10 Tenessee Tom
Adel R5 7 Ransom Claim
Adel R7 6 Chickaloo

Thanks

[Sportz]

Not confident today, but here goes:

Win/Each-way:
Doom R6-4 Celtic Trial $20 E.W
Doom R6-7 Drunken Joker $5 Win
Doom R6-8 Alfonso $5 Win
Flem R9-1 You Little Beaut $20 E.W
Flem R9-15 Phoenix Express $5 Win
Flem R9-5 Lancaster's Gold $5 Win

Trifecta:
Roving banker Ascot 8 - 1 / 4,5,6,11,17

All-up:
Ascot
R4-9 Stormy Nova (pla)
R6-2 Amber's Halo (pla)
R8-1 Free At Last (pla)
R9-4 Solar Impact (pla)

[Chuck]

ALL UP:-
SR2 #2 LORD BUBBLES AND R7 #1 DESERT RANSOM $20

BOX 5 TRIFECTA:-
BR4 # 2-4-13-1-5 $30

VR R2 #9 PATRICIA CLARE $10 WIN
MR R5 #9 PORTO DOURO & # 1 MR O'HARA $10 WIN EACH
AR R5 # 1 HONALEE $10 WIN
AR R7 #6 CHICKALOO & #3 JIMMY'S EDGE $10 WIN EACH
SR R2 #2 LORD BYBBLES & #1 JYMCAREW $10 EACH WIN
SR R5 #2 VACHERE & #5 NAVAHO PRINCESS $10 WIN EACH

hope this is right, thanks for explaining the different trifectas to.

Going great so far Feather - Well Done!
Trifecta got up, as did Honalee and Navaho Princess @ 14-1

[feather]

thanks Chuck, i have been doing ok since using my tips in the competition the past four weeks.
i am still learning about things, i have a little system that i'm using. the only ones that i did bet on today were mr5, sr5, br4 & ar7, the rest are blow ins. I do bet two horses per race, and the 2nd choice seems to be outdoing the 1st choice. not keen on these all ups though, but its all about learning

[Sportz]

Yeah Feather, I've noticed you have a good strike rate of getting the winner with your two tips per race.

Personally, I'm absolutely hopeless at these Tipping comps. Unlike you, I always have so many different races I think about including and I get all confused and never know which ones to finally pick.

And the races I do end up choosing are always the wrong ones.

[Sportz]

Well, Raw Instinct's got off to a great start with the trifecta in MR8 ($527.90) and Nulla got the Tri in MR9 ($382.90).

[Sportz]

Leaderboard:
Raw Instinct : $608.90
nulla : $382.90
lomaca : $240.00
feather : $229.40
Testarossa : $204.80
Horse Whisperer : $201.00
ra sun : $157.50
Raider : $108.00
Sportz : $88.85
doomben : $86.00
a4brianp : $62.00
Rudolph : $47.00
sparkus8 : $36.00
brave chief : $0.00
Chuck : $0.00
QuickFunBet : $0.00
Martin Friedman : $0.00
Carol Friedman : $0.00
Zev Friedman : $0.00

Well done Raw. Great trifecta there.

[Raw Instinct]

Thanks Sportz if only I had put it on myself would have saved an average day for me.

[Horse Whisperer]

Going great so far Feather - Well Done!
Trifecta got up, as did Honalee and Navaho Princess @ 14-1

i got that one today chuck!!(navaho princess) mind u i only had 5 e/w it still was a good kickstart to my day :)

[a4brianp]

Perhaps i should stick to the trots.At least i know something about them and can get a winner.
Thanks for running this comp SPORTZ good interest trouble is i backed my selections.
cheers

[Chuck]

I better improve my game, if i'm to get the "Spring Comp + December Comp + January Comp" tipster triple!

[moeee]

I better improve my game, if i'm to get the "Spring Comp + December Comp + January Comp" tipster triple!

Yes I agree that you are the best about,but take it from me,once you start opening your mouth too wide,
you will trip
over your bottom lip!

[feather]

Yeah Feather, I've noticed you have a good strike rate of getting the winner with your two tips per race.

Personally, I'm absolutely hopeless at these Tipping comps. Unlike you, I always have so many different races I think about including and I get all confused and never know which ones to finally pick.

And the races I do end up choosing are always the wrong ones.

sportz, I have never looked at a boxed 5 before. how do you work out if a trifecta or quinella is worth putting on? Yesterday i bet on 7 races, four were on the forum and three at ascot. I would of won the tri 5 times paying 163.20, 295.80, 110.70, 23.60 & 63.80. is the loss of one worth it,because i had the others? I would of had the quin in all 7 races (not betting) and only four were over the $10 cost, but because I had pr9, this would of covered the losses . for the past two months on this system, i had been looking at only 4 horses per race, and it was not worth looking into it further.
Is there such a thing as a strike rate for two horses in a race? as i have been recording them separatly. thanks

[Sportz]

sportz, I have never looked at a boxed 5 before. how do you work out if a trifecta or quinella is worth putting on? Yesterday i bet on 7 races, four were on the forum and three at ascot. I would of won the tri 5 times paying 163.20, 295.80, 110.70, 23.60 & 63.80. is the loss of one worth it,because i had the others? I would of had the quin in all 7 races (not betting) and only four were over the $10 cost, but because I had pr9, this would of covered the losses . for the past two months on this system, i had been looking at only 4 horses per race, and it was not worth looking into it further.

It's hard to tell whether a race is going to be value or not. I just looked up the results of your races and in all three trifectas that paid quite well, the favourite missed a place. That's when you get the bigger dividends. The two trifectas that didn't pay a lot, the favourite won. So, I guess the secret is to see if there's a short priced favourite and work out whether you think it will win or not. As for 5 horses versus 4, when you only have 4 horses in a trifecta and something goes wrong with one of them, you're relying on all 3 of your remaining runners filling the placings. In a 5 horse box, you have that extra chance. Most of the experts will actually say that it's stupid to have a box trifecta and it would be much better to use the 3/6/6 or 2/7/7 ideas. I just feel safer boxing them or using the roving banker idea. I prefer to have more than just 2 or 3 horses running for 1st. 2 guys in the tipping comp unsuccessfully went for a 2/7/7 trifecta in R6 in Sydney, and there's a good chance they would have got it with a 5 horse box or roving banker.

Is there such a thing as a strike rate for two horses in a race? as i have been recording them separatly. thanks

Of course there is. It doesn't matter if you have two horses in a race. If you back 2 horses in say 10 races and your top selection wins 4 of them and your 2nd pick wins 2, then you've had the winner in 6 of the 10 races (60%) The only thing that changes is the profit. If you back them at level stakes and you get a $3.00 winner, instead of getting 200% profit on that race, you've only made 50% profit. The thing I've noticed with your tips for the comp is that you have the same amount on both and if a short priced runner wins, you don't make much profit on the race. Perhaps you could think about having more on the shorter one, say $10 compared to $5. Don't know why I should tell you what to do though. You're doing better in the tipping comp than me.

[Duritz]

OK I've just noticed this tipping comp thread, is it still open or did you have to put in an entry for Saturday? I could always put one in for tomorrow's midweek grade with Saturday prizemoney meeting at MV if it is still open? If not, well, too bad for me.

Duritz

[Sportz]

Hi Duritz,

It's actually restricted to Saturdays and some Public Holidays, but yes, you can still join in next Saturday. You won't be starting that far behind most of us. Thanks to Raw Instinct's tips, we've all got a bit of catching up to do but it's possible to do that with a good trifecta or all-up.

[Sportz]

Duritz,

Sorry. Got a bit confused with all the racing and public holidays at this time of year and forgot about today being a holiday of course. You're comment about 'Midweek' racing threw me a bit too. Anyway, today's racing isn't part of the tipping comp.

Race days for the Tipping comp in January:
Sat Jan 1
Sat Jan 8
Sat Jan 15
Sat Jan 22
Wed Jan 26
Sat Jan 29

[feather]

Sportz,
thanks for that information, very detailed and easy to understand,
much appreciated.

[Sportz]

Thanks. Now if only I could be as good at following my own advice as I am at giving it. :)