Super12 Tipping Comp

[Sportz]

Welcome to the Super12 tipping comp. Make sure you read the rules please.

RULES

Everyone to have their tips in for the whole round before the first match.

Pick the team you think will win each game and also pick whether they'll win by 1-12 points or 13+ points. 1 point will be awarded for correctly picking the winning team. 2 points will be awarded if you also get the margin correct. You can also pick a draw if you wish. Anyone that correctly picks a draw will get 6 points.

Pick the exact margin in the selected 'match of the week'
2 bonus points will be awarded to the tipster who gets closest to the actual winning margin in this match. A further 2 points will be awarded to that tipster if they get the margin exactly right.

[Sportz]

Super12 Week one
Times are EDST
Friday:
Highlanders (NZ) v Blues (NZ) @ Carisbrook, Dunedin 5:35
NSW Waratahs v Chiefs (NZ) @ Aussie Stadium, Sydney 7:40
Saturday:
Stormers (SA) v Sharks (SA) @ Newlands, Cape Town 3:10am
Brumbies v Crusaders (NZ) @ Canberra Stadium, Canberra 7:00
Reds v Hurricanes (NZ) @ Ballymore, Brisbane 9:05 (8:05 Brisbane time)
Cats (SA) v Bulls (SA) @ Ellis Park Doornfontein 12:00 (Midnight)

The match that we have to pick the exact margin on is Brumbies v Crusaders.

Remember to get your tips in by 5:35 EDST Friday afternoon.
Good luck.

[Chuck]

Blues 13+
Waratahs 1-12
Sharks 1-12
Brumbies 13+ (14)
Hurricanes 1-12
Bulls 13+

[Jack Daniels]

Highlanders v Blues 13+

NSW Waratahs 1-12 v Chiefs

Stormers 1-12 v Sharks

Brumbies 1-12 v Crusaders

Reds 1-12 v Hurricanes

Cats 1-12 v Bulls

Exact margin: Brumbies +8 v Crusaders

[Mr J]

I need to update my database first.

[Sportz]

Are you going to have a go at the Punters Comp Mr J? You'll find that in the AFL Forum.

[Mr J]

Yep.

I've only done enough of my database for the first 2 games, but I'm excited bout the super 12s so I'll put them down anyway.

Highlanders 1-12 vs Blues. Yep :)
NSW 13+ vs Chiefs. I have NSW winning by 11.8 but with matty rogers back my stats are a bit conservative.

[Sportz]

Mr J,

Remember, you have to tip on all games before the kickoff of the first match of the round. And when you've figured them all out, could you please put all your tips in the one post.

Hey, by the way Mr J, I've worked out my S12 ratings for round 1 like this:

35 Brumbies
33 Crusaders
30 Blues
28 Waratahs
27 Stormers
27 Hurricanes
24 Bulls
22 Chiefs
21 Reds
17 Sharks
17 Highlanders
10 Cats

[Sportz]

Using those ratings, I've come up with the following:

Blues 1-12
Waratahs 13+
Stormers 13+
Brumbies 1-12 (12)
Reds 1-12
Bulls 1-12

[Mr J]

Sportz is betting against a super 12s home dog?1??!?

[QuickFunBet]

Blues 1-12
Waratahs 13+
Stormers 13+
Brumbies 1-12 (9)
Reds 1-12
Bulls 13+

Thanks,
QFB

[Mr J]

The home teams for me.

Highlanders 1-12
NSW 13+
Stormers 1-12
Brumbies 1-12 (I have them by 11 heh, although it could easily be more since crusaders are always asleep 1st half of season)
Reds 1-12
Cats 1-12

Cats are only slight favourites, basically a coinflip for me. Sportz, I'm backing your 2 lowest rated teams :D

[Sportz]

Could well be right there Mr J. Those ratings are simply what I've worked out for Round 1 and they'll probably look quite different by Round 12. And while I'm tipping two away teams, I won't be betting on them. Certainly, the Blues often have trouble at Otago.

[Mr J]

Well you never have much to go on coming in to the season. I'll be happy to go 3-3 ;)

[Desi]

Hey Sports...I dont want to bet against the Highlanders with their captain Anton playing his 100th super 12 game at the 'House of Pain' (haha)...heres my picks...

Highlanders 1-12
Warratahs 13+
Stormers13+
Brumbies1-12 (6)
Hurricanes1-12
Cats13+

Reckon the Stormers are the SA team to watch and the Hurricanes to start off strongly...Crusaders tend to begin slowly and hit their straps at the business end...Brumbies the team to beat again 2005...Warratahs to start well as usual and then fizzle towards the last rounds...good to see youre still picking them Mr J...

[kiwi]

Blues 13+

Tahs 1-12

Stormers 13+

Crusader 1-12 ( 7 )

Huurcanes 13+

Bulls 1-12

Go the Canes!

[Mr J]

Wow Desi, cats by 13+!!!

Kiwi, the crusaders are playing the brumbies not the reds ;)

[kiwi]

Mr J

Both teams start slow.The crusaders have an improved backline and are weak in the locks.I'm backing them because Merts is at first five and has something to prove to Robbie Deans.

The Brumbies with home advantage are favourites, but i look for other factors
such as the Brumbies new coach to count against them.

[sparkus8]

Blues 1-12
Waratahs 13+
Stormers 13+
Brumbies 1-12 (5)
Reds 1-12
Bulls 1-12

Go the Tahs!!

[Squirter]

Blues 1-12
Waratahs 1-12
Stormers 1-12
Crusaders 1-12 (5)
Hurricanes 1-12
Bulls 1-12

Hey Kiwi,
there's a lot of points to prove early on in the season with the Poms due here soon and the AB selectors keeping players guessing....king Carlos is also busting out of his skin, the battle for 1st. 5's going to be a cracker. the Blues got McAlister slotted in at center tonight, interesting.

Desi,
Our mob will struggle for a while....Robinson won't be back for a while and Jono still getting over his injuries but they'll come right with the new blood from the BOP, I believe they are going to use Luaaki as an impact player and whats more he's lost a couple of ton in weight too.

Cheers,

Squirter

[Mr J]

Is this right? # of home games:

hurricanes 6
blues 6
chiefs 5
crusaders 5
highlanders 6
nsw 6
act 5
qld 5
sharks 5
stormers 6
bulls 5
cats 6

[Sportz]

Yep, that's right Mr J.

[Mr J]

Good job on the Blues 13+ guys.

Goal kicking and some weak moments (for otago, or you could argue individual talent from blues) made the difference. Other than that I think it was a pretty even game. Blues weren't impressive. Only the first game, but they'll have to use that backline more effectively. Performance not great, but the result was. An away win is pretty hand for a team with 6 home games (although they've got some pretty tough ones).

Now looking forward to seeing how Matty plays.

[Sportz]

Yeah. Very nearly tipped Blues 13+, but I had them rated slightly lower this week because of no Doug Howlett.

[Sportz]

What the hell happened with Rogers' kicking tonight??? No prizes for guessing who I chose as my kicker in my Fantasy team this week. :(

[sparkus8]

Same here Sportz :(

The worst thing is I have Macallister in my team and he did pretty bloody well tonight and i didn't have him in the lineup!!

[Mr J]

Yeh that'll really need to improve (don't you miss matt burke??).

He had some amazing moments though, really showing how important he was. I liked NSW strategy. They could've played better, but it's a pretty strong start.

[Searay]

For sure that was an ok start to the season, but dont get carried away because they seem to start well ervery year and then KABOOM!! They just cant match it with the top 2 or 3 sides, and this season will definatley be no different.


Cheers

[Mr J]

I disagree searay.

They had a number of close games last year in the 2nd half of the season where they might've won if Mat Rogers had been in the side. He's the playermaker for NSW.

Also, last year NSW only had 5 home games. This year they have 6, and it really does make a difference. Aussie stadium is a fortress, although they do have some tough home games (you do want your home games to be vs the best teams though, which gives you a better chance to win away): blues, crusaders, maybe the stormers, and of course they play the reds (all trends have to come to an end at some point, last year of s12 is as good as any). Crusaders will be the toughest game, and this year I think they'll have too much for the reds.

At least they get to play the Cats in SA.

"They just cant match it with the top 2 or 3 sides,"

Obviously they can. They beat the Crusaders and Brumbies last year. They're problem isn't beating the top teams, it's choking. They definately have the talent, and last night's game suggests they know how to use it. It's whether they can improve/learn from last night and keep it going throughout the season.

Sure NSW weren't 100%, but what team is in the first game of the season? The blues definately didn't play as well as NSW.

[Desi]

Poor Anton Oliver! That was one of the most pathetic performances Ive seen from a South Island forward pack..soft mate soft! They will need to improve...having said that, the Blues played erratically but still won comfortably (they will get better and in full flight will be awesome to watch)...you could probably say the same re NSW but their opposition the Chiefs (my team) were also woeful (they do not have the depth to carry them through)...its going to be a tight squeeze for the top positions at the end of the year (Brumbies will be there though)...I cant stand the excitement haha...come on the Stormers +13...

[Desi]

Hey just read the results...Stormers won by 14 woohooo!!!

Hey Squirt, I rate Ian Foster as coach but agree that he doesnt have too much to choose from...centres were poor but they were marking a strong (and big) NSW pairing...Lauaki will have to pick up his work rate and the Chiefs need some size if they want to match it with the top Aus and SA packs.

Mr J, yup those Cats are underdogs but I thought Chester Williams had taken them through a reasonable preparation programme (in their preseason tour in England) but the Bulls are big and tough so its going to be a brutal game...

Cats are starting with Hurter and Le Roux up front for the Cats and some pre fight (oops I meant game) banter emanating from their camp have stirred the Bulls...so who knows...hope Wickus can get the Cats forwards matching it with those beasts...haha.

[Sportz]

Brumbies 1-12 (I have them by 11)


Well done Mr J. A last minute Crusaders consolation try to get you home and an extra 2 bonus points for getting the margin exactly right.

[Sportz]

Leaderboard after week 1:

11 Mr J
8 Desi
7 Jack Daniels
7 Sportz
7 QuickFunBet
7 kiwi
7 sparkus8
5 Chuck
4 Squirter
4 Searay

Well done Mr J. Great tip in the Brumbies game. :)

Searay, you must have got confused and put your tips on the Punters comp thread instead, but I've decided to count them anyway. Please make sure you put them on this thread next week.

[Searay]

Cheers sportz....will do!

[kiwi]

Well the canes did the business.

The Crusaders were crap.They were playing a side descimated by injuries to key players and their team was outclassed by good old Auzzie committment.The whole group needs revitalising, a new coach and Caleb Ralph and Reuben Thorne definitely should go.That was there best chance to beat the Brumbies this season they must improve lenghts when all players are fit.

Congratulations to Mr J for aceing it your computer is in good form.

[Jack Daniels]

Leaderboard after week 1:

11 Mr J
8 Desi
7 Jack Daniels
7 Sportz
7 QuickFunBet
7 kiwi
7 sparkus8
5 Chuck
4 Squirter
4 Searay

Well done Mr J. Great tip in the Brumbies game. :)

Searay, you must have got confused and put your tips on the Punters comp thread instead, but I've decided to count them anyway. Please make sure you put them on this thread next week.

Don't want to sound pedantic, but I believe I should be on 8 points.


Highlanders v Blues 13+ 2 points

NSW Waratahs 1-12 v Chiefs 1 point

Stormers 1-12 v Sharks 1 point

Brumbies 1-12 v Crusaders 2 points

Reds 1-12 v Hurricanes 0 points

Cats 1-12 v Bulls 2 points


Exact margin: Brumbies +8 v Crusaders 0 points

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, I haven't looked at any of the other scores though.

[Mr J]

Yeh I've done well for this format, but went 3-3 in actual bets.

"Well done Mr J. Great tip in the Brumbies game."

I know, I'm pretty good ;) Maybe I'll profit next week lol.

Great to see the cats win and the crusaders lose.

[Mr J]

Sportz you going to be betting the home dogs in S12/AFL/NRL this year???

[Sportz]

Yep, but you know me. I don't bet on all of them.

For example, I don't bet on the home dogs in all-NZ or all-SA matches in S12. In particular matches between two SA teams often tend to be almost a lottery. If I had bet on those matches this week, I would have got 1 from 2.

Should have had a go on the home dogs in the AFL, but I didn't bother because it's only the Wizard Cup. Would have got 2 from 2 so far thanks to the Kangaroos.

[Sportz]

Don't want to sound pedantic, but I believe I should be on 8 points.


Not pedantic at all. That's correct. I've double checked everone's scores and yes you are on 8 pts. Very sorry about that. :o

11 Mr J
8 Desi
8 Jack Daniels
7 Sportz
7 QuickFunBet
7 kiwi
7 sparkus8
5 Chuck
4 Squirter
4 Searay

[Mr J]

" I don't bet on the home dogs in all-NZ or all-SA matches in S12"

That's right...an no derbies for AFL etc

I should go over my results when betting on a game with 2 SA teams, they seem to be the hardest game to cap.

I'm still surprised the blues got a 16 pt margin over the highlanders.

"but I didn't bother because it's only the Wizard Cup"

Yeh I don't bet preseason (I assume wizard cup is preseason??)

Looking forward to the AFL and NRL seasons to see how my system does in it's second year. Go the (wests) tigers and the bunnies :D

[Sportz]

I should go over my results when betting on a game with 2 SA teams, they seem to be the hardest game to cap.

I very rarely bet on these games. I did back the Stormers against the Sharks though. I thought they were specials.

[Jack Daniels]

Not pedantic at all. That's correct. I've double checked everone's scores and yes you are on 8 pts. Very sorry about that. :o

11 Mr J
8 Desi
8 Jack Daniels
7 Sportz
7 QuickFunBet
7 kiwi
7 sparkus8
5 Chuck
4 Squirter
4 Searay

No worries mate, I was checking my results earlier today and then noticed your leader board and thought I would hint at your transgression. ;)

You never know what 1 point might mean in the scheme of things.

Thanks for fixing it up.

I just wish I had have deleted the Reds game instead of the Stormers game from my 5 leg multi in the other thread. It would have been a winner :doh:

[Sportz]

Yeah, my ratings had Qld just in front but I wasn't at all confident about them. I think the Reds are going to have a long hard season. They go to NZ for their next 3 games and I'm pretty sure they won't win any of them.

[Jack Daniels]

They started so well last night I thought they where half a chance to get home with 12.5 start. To lose by 14 only rubs salt into the wound.

They are definately going to do it hard next week against the fired up Blues at home.

[Sportz]

Week two:

(Times are EDST)
Fri 5:35 PM Blues v Reds
Fri 7:40 PM Brumbies v Bulls
Sat 3:30 PM Highlanders v Stormers
Sat 5:35 PM Crusaders v Chiefs
Sun 2:00 AM Sharks v Waratahs
Sun 4:10 AM Cats v Hurricanes

Tough to pick a Match of the week this week, but I've chosen Highlanders vs Stormers.

[Mr J]

"Tough to pick a Match of the week this week"

Not really:

Sun 4:10 AM Cats v Hurricanes

:D

Cats are my 2nd fave team this year. Guess I got a soft spot for wooden spooners. Without looking at the schedules, I think the reds will get the wooden spoon.

Yeh this week no heavyweights up against each other.

[Sportz]

Yeah, it was either Highlanders/Stormers or Cats/Hurricanes. Just decided on the first one. None of the 3 'big' teams should have much trouble this week.

[Mr J]

Interesting. My lines:



Blues -11.5
Brumbies -23
Highlanders -6.5.
Crusaders -4.5
Sharks -1
Cats -2

Blues line I'm thinking -12.5
Brumbies will probally be -15 to -17??
Highlanders will prob be around -4
Crusaders -8.5 to -12.5
Sharks -2
Cats +2.5

I'm hoping the bookies don't overvalue the brumbies thx to the 11 pt win and undervalue the bulls because of a loss to the cats. Brumbies have 3 key players out and won't be the scoring machine they were last year. As much as I'd love to see -12.5, it won't happen.

Highlanders. A bit of bad luck and some silly moments cost them last week. I don't think they're as bad as people think, and they are playing in the house of pain. Stormers excel away from home, good match.

Crusaders. Looks like I'll be taking the chiefs. Bookies obviously don't like the chiefs, and they will probally be at around the same price as vs the waratahs (thx to crusaders losing).

Sharks. The line here should be pretty close. Bookies will rate NSW and undervalue the sharks. I doubt sharks will be home dogs, but it'll be close enough.

Prob be on the cats again. I don't mind, I read they put in a great performance last week (didn't watch it). Should be another close one.

[Sportz]

Lines and odds are already up on Sportodds. Looks like a few home dogs this week but those matches look tight. You don't have the Crusaders winning by very much.

[Desi]

Mr J,
Great to be back talking sports with you...

Here's my view of the South African teams so far in S12 Comp:

Saw the Cats game against the Bulls, and it was good to see the Cats finally show some grit in the tight and set plays as well as a good team effort especially defensively...Pretorius had an excellent game outplaying Hougaard (who had a shocker) and the Bulls halfback Du Preez did not play to his usual high standard...without inspirational Umaga (think he is playing in Tsunami game), and after their lucky game (in my view) against the Reds...the Cats could surprise in their match with the Hurricanes...and if they continue to play with the same team commitment and having the luxury of 4 straight home games who knows? Could be a top 4 surprise (hey, I like them too haha)...

As for the Bulls, its back to the drawing board...big forwards arent as effective if they're neutralised by a fitter and strong tackling team...puts heaps of pressure on their halves...they will struggle early season I think...Victor Matfield is away at Twickenham game (he will be missed)...against the Brumbies (even with their plague of injuries) its going to be long day at the office for them...

The Sharks are a really young team and will be without Venter and Muller (last years experienced lock pairing) and Captain Smits will also be at Twickenham, although they have plenty of enthusiasm and tackled their hearts out last week they need experience to get them through these kind of games...so a composed Warratahs pack and better performance from their first five could get them this one...the question of finding a good first five in the NSW team has yet to be answered for me...(these are the sort of games NSW has to win to be top 4 contenders)..

Finally the Stormers...Coach Gert Smal must be pleased with his teams win against the Sharks as they did not play well...although de Villiers and Paulse did their jobs on the wings...again, they are the SA team that will feature strongly and will get points on their tour finishing off well in their home games...top 4.
Luckily (for them) they play the Highlanders at Invercargill and not Otago, so have an opportunity to steal this one (personally, thought the Highlanders forwards were soft and a repeat will be a big loss to the Stormers)...Schalk Burger will be at the Tsunami game but Stormers have good depth in loose trio department...


Go the Chiefs (I know but you've got to back your team through good and bad..hey the will improve when their squad is back to full strength)...

[Mr J]

"You don't have the Crusaders winning by very much"

Nope which is pretty interesting.

I really don't wanna back the reds. Not with how they are at the breakdowns. Also read an article that states that Tune said some of the reds are bummed out. Will they have the motivation?

Brumbies line, got that one. Not sure how much the losses of Rathbone, Mortlock and Giteau are worth, but they got the points vs the crusafers last week. Still have plenty of depth, and SA teams don't like playing in Canberra or Sydney ;)

Highlanders. Last week was a bit ordinary, and the blues really only got home comfortably thanks to some individual effort from their outside backs. I think this will be a pretty physical contest. Fine with taking the highlanders as I wouldn't want to be taking the Stormers -2.5 ;)

Crusaders-chiefs. I think the chiefs will play harder this week. They'll want a repeat of last year, and a win here would put then in a good position. They should have motiviation, and the chiefs perform much better in NZ than they do in Aus. Crusaders, well they'll be looking for a strong home game. I'm happy with the line, chiefs should keep it competitive.

Hate to go against the 'tahs. I think they will most probally win in straight up, although they probally won't blow it open. Have to take the sharks though. I think they'll also perform better this week. Either way this should be a close one.

Cats. Surprised they not a little bit longer, I guess the bookies liked the look of them last weekend. Marginal bet on cats.

[Mr J]

"without inspirational Umaga (think he is playing in Tsunami game)"

"they play the Highlanders at Invercargill and not Otago"

"Victor Matfield is away at Twickenham game (he will be missed)."

This is what happens when you use an excel spreadsheet to churn out your bets. I'd love to able to factor in the little things (which are often big things), but it's hard to do. The Tsunami game really messes things up, it's not like injuries aren't enough ;)

"Luckily (for them) they play the Highlanders at Invercargill and not Otago"

Didn't notice that. Still a large enough overlay to stick with the highlanders. Not checking to see EXACTLY where a team plays (instead of just seeing home/away) cost me in the AFL (would've profited another 6-8 units).

I agree stormers are the SA to beat. It's pretty hard not to.

[Sportz]

"Luckily (for them) they play the Highlanders at Invercargill and not Otago"

Didn't notice that. Still a large enough overlay to stick with the highlanders. Not checking to see EXACTLY where a team plays (instead of just seeing home/away) cost me in the AFL (would've profited another 6-8 units).


Sorry Mr J. I should have put all the venues on the schedule that I posted.

[Mr J]

Not your fault, super 12s hae specific home grounds (not like afl) so I justed assumed.

I really gotta watch out for home grounds in AFL this year. Have to decide how to handle neutral grounds. I don't have a 'neutral' stat, so it's whether to have both teams as at home, or both teams away. To further complicate things, some 'neutral' venues aren't really neutral, and some home/aways are really neutral lol. Gotta love AFL.

[Mr J]

Made some mistakes in my spreads, my database wasn't fully updated from last weekend, here's the new lines:

blues vs reds -11.3
brumbies vs Bulls -20.56
highlanders vs stormers -6.62
crusaders vs Chiefs -3.99
sharks vs nsw -0.8
Cats vs Canes -1.87

Only real difference in I have the bulls doing slightly better.

Highlanders are actually lower, since they don't have their full home ground advantage. If my line was closer to the bookies, I might be tempted to skip the match but I'm 8pts off so a bet for me.

[Chuck]

Blues v Reds - Blues 13+
Brumbies v Bulls - Brumbies 13+
Highlanders v Stormers - Stomers 13+ - Exact: 14
Crusaders v Chiefs - Crusaders 13+
Sharks v Waratahs - Sharks 13+
Cats v Hurricanes - Hurricanes 13+

[Mr J]

Some interesting choices chuck.

No home side will lose by 13+ on average. I also don't see sharks running away with it vs the waratahs.

[Desi]

Not sure about those H'canes finding it easy against the rejuvenated Cats in Joburg...if the Cats play like they did last week it will be a great game...as mentioned previously, it will be interesting to see how they fare without captain Umaga...

FYI, squad for Tsunami benefit game- 15 Chris Latham (Reds, Australia), 14 Rupeni Caucau (Agen, Fiji), 13 Jaque Fourie (Cats, South Africa), 12 Tana Umaga (Hurricanes, New Zealand), 11 Sereli Bobo (Parma, Fiji), 10 Andrew Mehrtens (Crusaders, New Zealand), 9 George Gregan (Brumbies, Australia), 8 Jerome Kaino (Blues, New Zealand), 7 Phil Waugh (Waratahs, Australia), 6 Schalk Burger (Stormers, South Africa), 5 Ifereimi Rawaqa (World, Fiji), 4 Victor Matfield (Bulls, South Africa), 3 Omar Hasan (Toulouse, Argentina), 2 John Smit (Sharks, South Africa), 1 Carl Hoeft (Highlanders, New Zealand).
Reserves to be announced...

[Sportz]

So am I right in saying that there's one player from each S12 team except the Chiefs. What happened there?

[Chuck]

yeah, they made a limit of one per team for the selectors

[Mr J]

Thx for that Desi, glad isn't doesn't affect the teams as much as I was thinking it would.

[Jack Daniels]

Blues 13+ Vs Reds

Brumbies 13+ v Bulls

Highlanders 1-12 v Stormers

Crusaders 1-12 v Chiefs

Sharks Vs Warratahs 1-12

Cats Vs Huricanes 1-12

Exact margin: Highlanders +10 v Stormers

[QuickFunBet]

Blues 13+
Brumbies 13+
Stormers 1-12 (4)
Crusaders 13+
Waratahs 1-12
Hurricanes 1-12

Thanks,
QFB

[Mofo]

I'd like to join. Equal lowest score ok?

Blues (13+) Vs Reds
Brumbies (13+) v Bulls
Highlanders v Stormers (1-12) Exact margin (12)
Crusaders (1-12) v Chiefs
Sharks Vs Warratahs (13+)
Cats Vs Huricanes (1-12)

[kiwi]

Blues 13+
Brumbies 13+
Stormers 1-12 (10)
Crusaders 13+
Sharks1-12
Canes 1-12

[Sportz]

I'd like to join. Equal lowest score ok?


Yes, that's right. Anybody can still join. You will be awarded the lowest number of points scored in the previous rounds.

[Mr J]

Blues 1-12
Brumbies 13+
Highlanders 1-12
Crusaders 1-12
Sharks 1-12 (my line is -0.8 lol, personal opinion is 'tahs will probally win)
Cats 1-12

Highlanders to win by 7 (I have 6.6).

[kiwi]

Blues 13+
Brumbies 13+
Stormers 13+ { 21 )
Crusaders 13+
Sharks1-12
Canes 1-12

Ammended my original post to show Stormers 13+ and margin 21

[Mr J]

Stormers to win by 21. Wow.

[kiwi]

Looks outrageous MrJ but Meuws and Oliver are both out of the tight 5 and that is where union games are won.South Africans are nearly always good scrummagers.

The highlanders forwards were pathetic last week and losing those two can only weaken them more.

[Jack Daniels]

Blues 13+ Vs Reds

Brumbies 13+ v Bulls

Highlanders 1-12 v Stormers

Crusaders 13+ v Chiefs

Sharks Vs Warratahs 1-12

Cats Vs Huricanes 1-12

Exact margin: Highlanders +10 v Stormers

Am I allowed to change my tips before the start of the weekends games??

If so I would like to change the Crusaders to win by 13+. As done above.

Cheers!!!

[Sportz]

Yes, you can change any of your tips up until the first game of the round. Once the first game kicks off, you're tips are locked in.

[Desi]

G'day one and all...some interesting games and to be honest I'm really going on the previous weeks performance which is not a good thing as teams can change drastically and the Super 12 has thrown up the odd 'home dog' surprise but here goes anyway...

Blues +13
Brumbies 1-12
Stormers 1-12 (7)
Crusaders +13
Sharks 1-12
Cats +13

[Desi]

Forgot to wish everyone good luck...now to pick my bet for the weekend...think the Cats will surprise but havent seen what they are paying...

[Sportz]

Blues by 13+
Brumbies by 13+
Stormers by 1-12 (3)
Crusaders by 13+
Waratahs by 1-12
Hurricanes by 1-12

Real tough one this week. 3 games could go either way. My ratings have the Waratahs and Hurricanes winning by just one point.

[sparkus8]

Blues 13+
Brumbies 13+
Stormers 1-12 (6)
Crusaders 13+
Waratahs 1-12
Cats 1-12

[Squirter]

Blues 13+
Brumbies 13+
Stormers 13+ (17)
Crusaders 1-12 go the Chiefs
Sharks 1-12
Hurricanes 1-12

[Mr J]

Yeh I'm not happy about having to bet on the highlanders. It's a shame planet rugby took down their 'score search' thing, maybe I could've checked out the sort of home advantage they have their, and then maybe those 2 out could've made it a no bet. Ah well, maybe the highlanders will surprise?!?!?!?!?!!

[Mofo]

Man, gotta feel for them Reds. They deserved at least a bonus point.

[kiwi]

Mr J I bow to your wisdom picking Blues 1-12.I just did some more hard-earned backing 13+, and on the line, from now on I will listen to what you contribute and learn.

The Reds must have been gutted.They put up a very brave defense.

The Brumbies must huge favourites to retain their title.

[Sportz]

The Brumbies must be huge favourites to retain their title.

More worried about whether they can beat the Bulls tonight. Geez, this is nerve wracking stuff. :o

[Mr J]

Anyone pick brumbies 1-12??? Bulls put up a good fight, brumbies messed up alot of chances though.

[Sportz]

Should have I guess. Obviously missed Gregan to organise them???

[Desi]

Thought the Bulls were going to be tough and that the Brumbies would miss Gregan's experience (although Henjak went OK)...but the Reds were robbed!

Good call on the 1-12 with the Blues Mr J...the Blues nearly self destructed despite Referee Henning doing the best he could to keep them in the game...Auckland has got some serious ego issues to deal with! (McAllistair and Gibson appear to be overrated)...personally, Im an Elton Flately fan and like the gritty and gutsy game that the Queenslanders are showing...you cant take any game for granted...

Come on the Cats! They will give the 'canes a Mauling if they repeat last weeks efforts!

[Sportz]

Apparently, the fourth official on the sideline wouldn't let one of the reds players come on the field at the right time and Qld was left with only 14 players on the field for 14 minutes instead of 10. It was in that extra 4 minutes that the Blues scored both tries.

[kiwi]

Come on the Cats! They will give the 'canes a Mauling if they repeat last weeks efforts![/QUOTE]

Geez I hope your wrong Desi the boys need all the points they can get, but without Tana my hopes aren't high.

The Blues bumbled and stumbled through their game, the Lions must be licking their lips when they see such incompetent crap.Maybe this is early season rubbish as no team has really impressed yet other than the Brumbies last week.It would appear the South African teams have lifted in standard, some of the black players are starting play good rugby.

Given time the Springboks will be all blacks then we will have two ABs playing world footballhttp://forums.ozmium.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif.

[Mr J]

How bout the highlanders...never seen so many turnovers. Would've won if they held on to a bit more ball, and I might've been the only winner ;)

Instead, we're all losers on that one (for picking the winner anyway).

[kiwi]

An incredible round 2 Mr J, the rain could have been the leveler.No games have been great spectacles though.

The South Africans just don't travel well.The Highlanders surely proved me wrong, another brave game by the underdog.

[Sportz]

I tipped Stormers by 3 and I thought I just about had it towards the end. :)

[Mr J]

"An incredible round 2 Mr J"

I guess you missed my brumbies 13+ :D

" The South Africans just don't travel well"

The stormers generally do, and the sharks had a solid (3/5) away performance last year. Cats might've been poor away simply because they were poor all round (heh).

Yep you nearly got it sportz. Can't believe how many opportunities the highlanders wasted. Reminds me of what NSW used to be like.

[Mr J]

Crusaders pile on 3 tries in around 5 minutes. Looks like it'll be another breakeven weekend for me at best (unless both SA teams win).

[kiwi]

Go the Canes.How good was that!

[Sportz]

Tough week for tipping. I've had a shocker with the Punting comp. Not quite so bad with real money, but still not good.

[Sportz]

This week:
8 Sportz
6 Jack Daniels
6 QuickFunBet
6 Chuck
6 mofo
5 Desi
5 kiwi
5 Sparkus8
4 Mr J
4 Squirter

Overall:
15 Sportz
15 Mr J
14 Jack Daniels
13 QuickFunBet
13 Desi
12 kiwi
12 Sparkus8
11 Chuck 5
10 mofo
8 Squirter

[Jack Daniels]

Love your work sportz, must be a pain in the ass sifting through that lot.

[Desi]

Great work Sports...and thanks for tallying scores for us mate!

Pity I based my picks on domestic encounters cos Sharks and Cats let me down lol...too many mistakes under pressure...Rogers is hot for NSW and the Canes forwards (esp loosies) are going well...Weepu/ Gopperth combination is starting to take shape (something they have missed in the past) you must be rapt Kiwi...

Lost on the Cats but picked up on soccer believe it or not hahaha! Go Chelsea!

[Mr J]

Yeh the SA home dogs just not doing it this weekend. Anyone see the games?

Looks like NSW ran away with it. I remember checking the livescores when I came home (half time). Cats were 10-21 and Sharks were 13-16.

[Sportz]

Week three:

All times EDST

Mar11 5:35 PM Highlanders v Bulls
Mar11 7:40 PM Brumbies v Stormers
Mar12 4:10 AM Sharks v Hurricanes
Mar12 2:35 PM Crusaders v Reds
Mar12 5:35 PM Chiefs v Blues
Mar13 2:00 AM Cats v Waratahs

[Desi]

Cant believe I stayed up to watch it Mr J (but was also watching Chelsea v Crystal Palace) cos the outcomes were not good for me...

To be honest, both SA teams made too many mistakes (Pretorius had one to forget after starring in last weeks games) and both NSW and Hurricanes started off with 2 quick winger tries...Tuqiri and Nonu showing their class out wide...always on the back foot Cats and Sharks tried too hard and were out played by more experienced forward units, better half/ flyhalf combinations and brilliant individuals like Rogers and Sooaialo...good wins by both visiting teams but Im still of the opinion that they will be overs when they return to play against the better teams...Hurricanes played solidly (which surprised me) without Umaga (not sure how bad his injury is acquired from tsunami game) and Warratahs did everything right (Birne played a steady game when he took over at first five)...

[Sportz]

Match of the week this week where we have to pick the exact margin is Highlanders v Bulls.

Again, no real blockbuster matches this week, so it was hard to choose. Next week we'll have a great one: Blues v Crusaders.

[Jack Daniels]

Highlanders 1-12 (exact margin 12)
Brumbies 13+
Sharks 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Blues 13+
Waratahs 1-12

Go the WARATAHS !!!

[Mofo]

Bulls (8)
Brumbies 1-12
Hurricanes 13+
Crusaders 13+
Blues 1-12
Waratahs 13+

[kiwi]

Highlanders 1-12 (10)
Brumbies 13+
Hurricanes 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Blues 13+
Cats 1-12

[Chuck]

Highlanders 13+ (14)
Brumbies 13+
Sharks 1-12
Reds 1-12
Blues 13+
Tahs 13+

[Sportz]

Highlanders 1-12 (4)
Brumbies 1-12
Hurricanes 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Blues 13+
Waratahs 1-12

[Jack Daniels]

Edited tips below replace my first post. (bloody Brumbies better not hammer them).

One point to note.

G. Gregan has been rested for the game this weekend Vs Stormers.

Highlanders 1-12 (exact margin 12)
Brumbies 1-12
Sharks 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Blues 13+
Waratahs 1-12

Go the WARATAHS !!!

[QuickFunBet]

Highlanders 1-12 (6)
Brumbies 13+
Hurricanes 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Blues 13+
Waratahs 13+

Thanks,
QFB

[sparkus8]

Bulls 1-12 (3)
Brumbies 1-12
Sharks 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Blues 1-12
Waratahs 13+

[Desi]

Highlanders 1-12 (2)
Brumbies +13
Hurricanes 1-12
Crusaders 1-12
Blues 1-12
Cats 1-12

[Sportz]

Well, the Bulls are obviously back to their bad ways. Must have been terrible today.

Chuck got nearest to the correct margin.

[Chuck]

now i've just got to get the reds home and i might have a rare chance at winning a round!

[Jack Daniels]

For the record:

Highlanders 23 Vs Bulls 0. Looks like the Bulls may have gone backwards this year.

Brumbies 22 Vs Stormers 19. Good tough battle for the Brumbies missing some of their big guns. Should have been a bigger margin. But what can you say about the ref after the game that carries any weight. After all the scoreboard reflects who gets the 2 points. 3 from 3 at home for the Brumbies. Lets see what happens away from home.

Go the Waratahs tomorrow night. I might stay up for this one.

[Sportz]

3 from 3 at home for the Brumbies. Lets see what happens away from home.


They haven't been all that impressive the last two. Think they might struggle a bit if they can't get back Mortlock, Giteau etc.

[Jack Daniels]

Results so far this weekend:

Highlanders 23 v Bulls 0
Brumbies 22 v Stormers 19
Sharks 23 v Hurricanes 29
Crusaders 59 v Reds 24

Only the Chiefs v Blues at 5.30pm this arvo,
and the Cats v Waratahs tonight at 2.00am left in the weekend.

For those that have not heard, Matt Rogers is out of the Waratahs line up tonight due to a groin strain sustained in training. He is apparently on his way home from RSA. I heard he is likely to miss up to six weeks of super 12's. I doubt the Waratahs ability to win away without the services of Rogers. Still stranger things have happened.

[Jack Daniels]

Don't know if any one here is watching this but how dumb was that quick line out by the Blues, intercepted by the Chiefs (instant 7 pointer) and bang 15 nil.

Now 15-3.

[Sportz]

I doubt the Waratahs ability to win away without the services of Rogers. Still stranger things have happened.

Yeah, very strange. At this stage NSW are looking VERY good, but they usually look good at this stage of the comp, don't they?

[Sportz]

By the way, I blame myself for Rogers' injury. Fair dinkum, can I stop 'em or what? I put him back as kicker in my Fantasy team this week. So far, the guys I've chosen as kicker have got 1/7, 3/8 and didn't play. :(

[Sportz]

This week:
8 Sportz
8 QuickFunBet
7 Chuck
7 mofo
6 Jack Daniels
6 kiwi
6 Sparkus8
5 Desi

Overall:
23 Sportz
21 QuickFunBet
20 Jack Daniels
20 Mr J
18 Chuck
18 kiwi
18 Sparkus8
18 Desi
17 mofo
13 Squirter
13 Searay

[Paddy]

This week:
8 Sportz
8 QuickFunBet
7 Chuck
7 mofo
6 Jack Daniels
6 kiwi
6 Sparkus8
5 Desi

Overall:
23 Sportz
21 QuickFunBet
20 Jack Daniels
20 Mr J
18 Chuck
18 kiwi
18 Sparkus8
18 Desi
17 mofo
13 Squirter
13 Searay


You're going well Sportz! Your own selection method or do you subscribe to some advisory service (eg. Smartgambler Rugby Union package) ?

[Sportz]

Nah, I'm just rigging the figures and slipping myself an extra point each week. :D

Seriously though, it's just my own ratings Paddy. Certainly don't think I'm doing anything special and in fact I think I could have done a bit better. This was how I rated them this week, followed by the actual results:

Highlanders by 4 (Highlanders by 23)
Brumbies by 7 (Brumbies by 3)
Hurricanes by 5 (Hurricanes by 6)
Crusaders by 24 (Crusaders by 35)
Blues by 13 (Chiefs by 9)
Waratahs by 8 (Waratahs by 21)

[Mr J]

How'd I score 5 this weekend??

[Sportz]

If you miss out on posting tips, you're awarded the lowest score of the round.

[Sportz]

Super12 Rd 4

All times are EDST

Fri 5:35 PM Chiefs v Reds
Sat 3:30 PM Hurricanes v Bulls
Sat 5:35 PM Blues v Crusaders
Sat 7:40 PM Waratahs v Stormers
Sun 2:00 AM Cats v Brumbies
Sun 4:10 AM Sharks v Highlanders

Match of the week is Blues v Crusaders

[Desi]

Hows those Blues eh? Im a Chiefs man but had the Blues in my weekend sports multi (one of the H2H anchor legs) cos you got to go with the stats when it comes to money (I heard that from somewhere)...bad coaching, poor organisation and Carlos back to his bounce passing worst...Go the Chiefs!

Again, have oversestimated the progress of SA teams (home puppies) so will need to rejig rating system haha!!!

Some interesting games and no doubt the Blues will pick themselves up (theyre going to have to) for their clash against the Crusaders...

[Mr J]

Eh I don't think much of the blues, didn't last year either. No idea why they were 8pt or whatever faves vs the chiefs.

How bout NSW though....

Hurricanes also looking good. 3 away wons and have 5 home games, in a great position.

[Chuck]

If you miss out on posting tips, you're awarded the lowest score of the round.

i may as well give next week a miss then, it will only bring my score down!

[Sportz]

Huh? You scored 7 points this week Chuck. Nothing wrong with that.

[QuickFunBet]

Chiefs 13+
Hurricanes 13+
Crusaders 13+ (18)
Waratahs 13+
Brumbies 13+
Sharks 13+

Cheers,
QFB

[Chuck]

Chiefs 13+
Hurricanes 1-12
Blues 13+ (17)
Stormers 1-12
Brumbies 21+
Sharks 1-12

[Sportz]

Brumbies 21+


I assume that means 13+??? :)

[Mofo]

Chiefs 1-12
Hurricanes 1-12
Crusaders 1-12 (7)
Waratahs 1-12
Brumbies 1-12
Sharks 1-12

[Desi]

Mmm...picks have been terrible but heres hoping for a better round...

Chiefs 1-12
Hurricanes +13
Crusaders 1-12 (7)
Warratahs 1-12
Brumbies 1-12
Sharks 1-12

[kiwi]

Chiefs 13+
Canes 13+
Blues 1-12 (3)
Stormers 1-12
Cats 1-12
Sharks 1-12

Go the mighty Canes

[Sportz]

Chiefs 1-12
Hurricanes 13+
Blues 1-12 (1)
Waratahs 13+
Brumbies 1-12
Sharks 1-12

[Sportz]

From Rugbyheaven:

Cats, I'm seeing Reds on Bulls... names
By Greg Growden

The Monday Maul

It's easy to know when the Super 12 is again upon us. You find yourself helplessly cornered - usually in a lift, or canteen queue. The questions are always the same.

"Why are the Highlanders playing in a Hurricane? Where do the Stormers come from? Why are there Cats and Bulls playing rugby?"

The next half-hour is lost. You ever so slowly try to explain where each Super 12 side with the silly name is from, and you know it is not sinking in. The inquisitor's glazed look gives it all away.

"Yeah, but weren't NSW once known as the Blues? Who would want to be named after a flower? Weren't Queensland once maroon not red? And why do all the jerseys look as if my six-year-old kid has vomited on it?" You try so hard to give a sane answer but know another potential Super 12 fan has been lost. It is just too hard, too bewildering for anyone apart from the rugby anoraks.

The Super 12 is an excellent concept and works well because of its simple structure, where everyone plays each other once, and then we go straight into the semi-finals. It's clean and clinical.

But where it has lost the interest of thousands is through the difficulty so many have to discern who is playing whom. Too many of the team names are just dumb.

We have been on a crusade to make the team names public-friendly for a long time, providing "the cat sat on the mat" guides that state in the simplest terms possible where each side actually comes from. Many people have stuck these guides up on their fridge doors in the hope through constant reading they may one day unravel the Super 12 nomenclature mystery.

Despite all this, it is not sinking in. The same questions keep getting asked.

A decade on, pay TV stations still show maps of Australia, New Zealand and South Africa to inform those watching their Super 12 telecasts where the players, who usually wear indistinguishing jerseys, come from.

In Friday night's NSW-Chiefs match program, two pages were given to pointing out where each of the 12 teams are from.

Blame the Super 12 organisers for this mess. They should have simplified it years ago, demanding that teams be named after either the major city or region from where they hail - and not take on some meaningless tag that had been pushed on them by misguided marketing types.

So then, what would be wrong with a competition which had as its teams: NSW (currently Waratahs), Queensland (Reds), ACT (Brumbies), Auckland (Blues), Wellington (Hurricanes), Waikato (Chiefs), Otago (Highlanders), Canterbury (Crusaders), Transvaal (Cats), Northern Transvaal (Bulls), Western Province (Stormers) and Natal (Sharks)?

The Super 12 premiership ladder would then make sense, rather than being a listing of weather conditions, colours, frisky horses, attractions at your local zoo or aquarium, gladiatorial and horticultural terms.

Now, the big test.

What to call the new Australian team?

Simple - just call it Perth.

They won't, but they should. Instead, the fourth Australian team will go through the theatrics of adding some tough-sounding tag to strike fear into other sides and so create further confusion for already baffled rugby onlookers.

If they have to use a tag or nickname, why not the Perth Procrastinators? After all, it has taken them ages to appoint a chief executive and a coach.

Maybe not. They're a bit sensitive in the west and keep telling us they are right on track to snare so many great players from the east to be competitive from day one.

You have to admire them, though. They certainly know something we don't - because Monday Maul hasn't the faintest idea where all these future stars are hiding. At least the Perth venture will prove one thing: whether John Mitchell is actually the guru of modern coaching, because he will certainly be working with minimal resources.

And if the men from the west hopefully follow common sense and keep the name simple, I just can't wait for that first confrontation in the lift or canteen.

"Uh ... Perth. How long have they had Scottish teams in the Super 12?"

Exit left.

[Jack Daniels]

Chiefs 13+
Hurricanes 13+
Blues 1-12 (11)
Waratahs 13+
Brumbies 13+
Highlanders 1-12

[sparkus8]

Chiefs 13+
Hurricanes 13+
Crusaders 1-12 (8)
Waratahs 1-12
Brumbies 1-12
Sharks 1-12

[Mr J]

Ok, I'm getting back in it this week (got lazy last week).

Chiefs 1-12
Hurricanes 1-12 (I have 11.9 heh)
Blues 1-12 (god knows why)
NSW 13+
Brumbies 1-12
Sharks 1-12 (by 1)

My margin for the Blues is to win by 5 (god help me).

How bout the 'canes and NSW??? Both teams have to be hot faves to reach the final 4. 3 road wins to the 'canes, will need to win at least 3 more games, but they do have 6 at home. NSW probally in a better position thanks to the bonus points and home fortress. 15 points with 5 home games left?? Easy ;)

[Mr J]

Uh, kiwi, stormers to win??? Gotta be dreaming ;)

Strongest NSW team to date and sydney is a fortress anyway, I see them undefeated at home this season, and finishing top of the ladder...9-10 wins :D

[Sportz]

I'm kicking myself right now. I thought long and hard about tipping the Reds today and backing them with the start, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. At the moment, they're looking pretty good to win.

[Mr J]

"I'm kicking myself right now. I thought long and hard about tipping the Reds today and backing them with the start, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it"

Same. They were a bet for me, my line was chiefs -7.5, but this week I decide to filter out what I think are the weaker bets for the betting comp. Wallet feels good but image suffers :)

[Sportz]

Okay, what's going on? Hurricanes 0 v Bulls 14 after 58 minutes. I'm finding this year's S12 just impossible to work out!!! :o

[Mr J]

'Upsets' to start the weekend. Reds, cowboys and bulls. I was on the first 2 ;)

[Jack Daniels]

I haven't scored a point yet this round. :(

Chiefs went down, badly to the Reds.

Hurricanes smashed by the Bulls.

Now the Blues are being given a hiding by the Crusaders, currently 34 nil. WTF???? Right on half time.

[Mr J]

Yeh. I picked the last 3 tries the crusaders scored....e.g. last one, I said crusaders to win lineout and score wide...course it happened. First 20 mins or so looked like it'd be a good game, but blues backs just can't tackle, and you can't give the crusaders any space.

[Mr J]

It's ok jack, no-one will get the blues result right ;)

Don't think anyone would've picked reds or bulls to win either.

[Sportz]

Yeah, I give up. I haven't scored a point yet either. I'm actually less surpried by the Crusaders score because they're such a good team they can do that sort of thing. What was I thinking picking the Blues? They're sacked!!! As for the Bulls beating the Hurricanes, seriously what's going on there?

[Mr J]

"It's ok jack, no-one will get the blues result right"

Eh Quickfunbet did, and a margin of 18...good job.

Everyone else is 0-6 picking the winner/margins.

Dunno how many people picked the 'tahs by 13+, maybe I can gain some there. They'll be tired though vs some fresh stormers. I don't care about the margin as long as we get a win, the bonus point and see a great game (I'd love to see a 35-33 scoreline or something, lotsa tries).

[Sportz]

Yep, unless there's a 30 point breeze behind the Blues in the second half, QuickFunBet's got the 2 bonus points wrapped up.

[Chuck]

i knew the bulls vs hurricanes game would be tight, buti didn't think the bulls would win. If the waratahs and highlanders win, my only points of the week will come from the brumbies!!

[Jack Daniels]

Yep, unless there's a 30 point breeze behind the Blues in the second half, QuickFunBet's got the 2 bonus points wrapped up.


Ha ha ha ha... even that won't help them considering the Crusaders are leading 41 to 0 in the 44th minute. :(

[Jack Daniels]

i knew the bulls vs hurricanes game would be tight, buti didn't think the bulls would win. If the waratahs and highlanders win, my only points of the week will come from the brumbies!!


You hope!

The way things are going. Anything could happen this weekend, and probably will.

Might go to the best bet thread and post a tip of the day.

"Don't bet on the remaining S12 games this weekend"

[Chuck]

and to think i just put $50 on the remaining games...tut tut

[Jack Daniels]

Blues finally trouble the scoreboard attendant with a TRY.

Crusaders 41 Vs Blues 5. 64th minute.

Too little too late!

[Mr J]

Game was equal and slopp for 60 or the 80 minutes. Difference was in the 2nd quarter where Crudaders were flawless. Punishing every blues mistake.

Also found out that Howlett, Roko and Muli and only run when they have a ball in their hand, Rico made them look like chumps :)

Raiders (yay a win) also another blowout. Weird weekend and I'm somehow 3-1 so far for the footy?!?!?

Glad the blues got a few points back otherwise it would've thrown my system out of whack.

[Mr J]

I get a couple of points...whoever chose the 'tahs at anything other than 13+, you should be shot ;) They really should've won by more and got the bonus point, but 19 pts with 4 more home games ain't too bad.

[Mr J]

Nice last 3 games for me, pick up some points and some cash.

Like to remind everyone that my NSW line was 13.34 (so close)

My Cats line 4.26 and they went down by 5 (close again). Sort of normalizes the weekend a bit and a bit of a brag ;)

[Sportz]

This week:

7 QuickFunBet
4 Sportz
4 Jack Daniels
4 Mr J
4 Sparkus8
4 Desi
4 mofo
1 Chuck
0 kiwi

Overall:

28 QuickFunBet
27 Sportz
24 Jack Daniels
24 Mr J
22 Sparkus8
22 Desi
21 mofo
19 Chuck
18 kiwi

[Jack Daniels]

What was I thinking picking the Blues?

Ditto to that comment. :(

I can't find a single reason why I would have picked them apart from thinking that they would bounce back with a big game after last weekend's defeat.
Especially after they cost me in the punters comp. Speaking of the Punters comp. Go Manly today, to win by 6 or more!

Well done QFB !!!

[Desi]

Mr J,
NSW just keep surprising me...their individual talent in the backline is well known but I like the hard work they have done in the forwards...there's still some improvement in them so they are going well but to find out where the Tahs really stand we will see next week against the Crusaders and they will need to win to get real confidence and prove their credibility...mmm smell a good bet coming on in that game (haha)...they have some hard games after that (incl home to the Reds)...

The Blues suck and Crusaders proving to be NZ standout team as usual...Highlanders finally finding form after a disgraceful first up game against Auckland which in the end put the Blues into overs (in subsequent games-you were right Mr J) and will struggle to make the finals...they will have to beat the Brumbies at home next round to have any chance...

Personally, cant wait for NSW v Brumbies (hopefully with as fitter team as they can put on the field) but for now the topsy turvy nature of this weekends games has made life more interesting and in a betting sense some good money to be had...brouuuuhahahahahaha...$$$$ bring me the $$$$$...

[Mr J]

"NSW just keep surprising me...their individual talent in the backline is well known"

They did have a few key players out this week and came from SA and are up against a fresh team. I guess I can forgive anyone who had stormers or NSW 1-12 ;)

"there's still some improvement in them so they are going well but to find out where the Tahs really stand"

Yeh. They need a real challenge. Stormers were terrible, cats, sharks and chiefs? No real opposition there.

Match of the year for me will be a hopefully full strength 'tahs vs the crusaders. Crusaders looks ordinary for alot of last night, but jeez when they're rolling they're unstoppable.

[Sportz]

S12 Rd5
FRI 6:35 PM AEDT Hurricanes v Stormers
SAT 2:00 AM AEDT Cats v Highlanders
SAT 7:40 PM AEDT Waratahs v Bulls
SUN 2:00 AM AEDT Sharks v Brumbies
Blues, Chiefs, Crusaders & Reds BYE

Only 4 games this week and no real blockbusters.

Match of the week: Hurricanes v Stormers

[Sportz]

Hurricanes 1-12 (10)
Cats 1-12
Waratahs 13+
Brumbies 13+

[Desi]

Got to get back on the winning table...

Hurricanes 13+ (19)
Highlanders 1-12
Waratahs 13+
Brumbies 13+

[Chuck]

Stormers 1-12 (3)
Highlanders 13+
Waratahs 13+
Brumbies 13+

[QuickFunBet]

Hurricanes 1-12 (10)
Highlanders 1-12
Waratahs 13+
Brumbies 13+

Thanks,
QFB

[Jack Daniels]

S12 Rd5:

Hurricanes 13+ (14)
Highlanders 1-12
Waratahs 13+
Brumbies 13+

Go the Waratahs !!!

[kiwi]

Hurricanes 13+ (15)
Highlanders 1-12
Waratahs-Bulls Draw (i need some points)
Brumbies 13+

The Canes will improve this week, the away games stuffed them and the Bulls did the rest.The Tahs and the Canes are about to meet the tougher challanges and both may fade, so they badly need this round to get 5 pointers.

[Mofo]

Stormers 1-12 (7)
Cats 13+
Waratahs 1-12
Brumbies 13+

[Mr J]

Hurricanes 1-12 (4)
Highlanders 1-12
NSW 13+
Brumbies 1-12

"Waratahs-Bulls Draw (i need some points)"

That's nearly as bad as last week ;)

[kiwi]

Hurricanes 1-12 (4)
Highlanders 1-12
NSW 13+
Brumbies 1-12

"Waratahs-Bulls Draw (i need some points)"

That's nearly as bad as last week ;)

I know Mr J my super12 punting is crap and i've given it away.Fortunately got plenty off Stratum in the Golden Slipper last week.

The draw still has possibilities.The Bulls have some confidence and the Thas have lost Matt Rodgers

[sparkus8]

Hurricanes 13+ (15)
Highlanders 1-12
Waratahs 13+
Brumbies 1-12

[Chuck]

[QUOTE=Chuck]Stormers 1-12 (3)QUOTE]

Stormers leading by 3 at halftime...what odds would you give me of sweeping the exact margins this week!

[Sportz]

For anybody that wants live scores and commentary:

http://www.planetrugby.com/

[Chuck]

9-6, 20 mins to go, STOP THE GAME!!!

[Sportz]

What's going on with the S12 this year. Some weird results.

[Paddy]

For anybody that wants live scores and commentary:

http://www.planetrugby.com/

Thanks Sportz ;)

[Sportz]

What a frustrating game that must have been to watch. 12-9 all penalties and drop goals. Hurricanes fans will be pleased though I suppose.

Looks like Mr J might have got the 2 bonus points.

[kiwi]

"What a frustrating game that must have been to watch. 12-9 all penalties and drop goals. Hurricanes fans will be pleased though I suppose."

Agree Spotrz, a dreadful game and as a fan from Wellington I'm very frustrated and not happy at all. They won't win many more playing like that.

Chas

[Jack Daniels]

Waratahs 42 Vs Bulls 22

Sharks 36 Vs Brumbies 24

Waratahs have definately looked good against the lower ranked RSA sides, biggest test of all next weekend Vs the Crusaders.

The Brumbies were almost as bad as the Roosters were vs Brisbane on Friday night. A high error rate cost the Brumbies dearly tonight. Not to take anything away from the Sharks tonight they scored 5 tries to 3, and blew a few chances as well, they dominated possesion in the Brumbies half and were all over the Brumbies in defence.

[Sportz]

Sharks 36 Vs Brumbies 24

The Brumbies were almost as bad as the Roosters were vs Brisbane on Friday night. A high error rate cost the Brumbies dearly tonight. Not to take anything away from the Sharks tonight they scored 5 tries to 3, and blew a few chances as well, they dominated possesion in the Brumbies half and were all over the Brumbies in defence.

I get what I deserve betting against a homedog but seriously it was pretty damn hard to tip the Sharks in this one. :o

[Sportz]

This week:

8 Mr J
6 QuickFunBet
5 Jack Daniels
5 Sparkus8
5 Desi
4 Sportz
3 Chuck
3 kiwi
1 mofo

Overall:

34 QuickFunBet
32 Mr J
31 Sportz
29 Jack Daniels
27 Sparkus8
27 Desi
22 Chuck
22 mofo
21 kiwi

[Mr J]

I acutally bet the sharks this weekend (risky).

Only other S12 bet was the 'tahs -11.

I'm 4-0 so far in the AFL and swans are looking good. NRL hasn't gone so well so far.

[Sportz]

Hmmm, I must keep more up to date. I didn't know that the Sharks had got a new Coach midweek. We all know what happens when teams do that. I should have checked all that out. I may still have tipped the Brumbies, but I certainly wouldn't have backed them in the punting competition. In fact, I probably would have taken the Sharks with the start. :(

[Sportz]

Round 6

All times AEST

FRI 5:35 PM Hurricanes v Chiefs
FRI 7:40 PM Reds v Highlanders
SAT 5:35 PM Blues v Brumbies
SAT 7:40 PM Waratahs v Crusaders
Bulls, Cats, Sharks, Stormers BYE

Match of the week: Waratahs v Crusaders

[Floydyboy]

Silly Q #1
How are the homedoggies doin this year sportz

[Sportz]

Nowhere near as good as last year unfortunately!!! I made over 120% profit on Rugby Union last year simply because my homedog system went a staggering 14-1 for the year. Now, I certainly didn't expect that sort of strike rate to continue, but this year it's fallen in a heap. To work consistently, the homedog system requires that teams from all 3 countries are equally competitive. Unfortunately this year the S.African teams have just not been competitive enough for the system to work and as a result, I've decided to go easy on those selections this season with just small interest bets.

Oh, one note to add though. The Sharks and Cats are probably the 2 worst SA teams and they've been playing all their home matches while the Bulls and Stormers have been playing away. Perhaps the Bulls and especially the Stormers will perform better at home than those 2 teams, so maybe this system will improve for the rest of the S12.

[QuickFunBet]

Hurricanes 1-12
Reds 1-12
Blues 1-12
Crusaders 1-12 (2)

Cheers,
QFB

[Jack Daniels]

Round 6

Hurricanes 1-12
Highlanders 1-12
Brumbies 1-12
Waratahs 1-12 (7)

Go the Tahs!!!

[Desi]

Hurricanes 1-12
Queensland 1-12
Blues 13+
Crusaders 13+ (22)

Hey what can I say...I need the points in this comp hahaha!!! Cmon the Reds!!!

[Chuck]

Hurricanes 1-12
Reds 1-12
Brumbies 1-12
Crusaders 13+ (23)

[Sportz]

Hurricanes 13+
Reds 1-12
Blues 1-12
Crusaders 1-12 (3)

[kiwi]

Hurricanes 1-12
Highlanders 1-12
Blues 1-12
Cruusaders 1-12 (8)

[sparkus8]

Hurricanes 13+
Reds 1-12
Blues 1-12
Waratahs1-12 (8)

[Sportz]

This week:

9 kiwi
5 QuickFunBet
5 Desi
4 Sportz
4 Jack Daniels
3 Chuck
2 Sparkus8

Overall:

39 QuickFunBet
35 Sportz
34 Mr J
33 Jack Daniels
32 Desi
30 kiwi
29 Sparkus8
25 Chuck
24 mofo

[Sportz]

S12 Rd7

All times AEST

FRI 5:35 PM Highlanders v Brumbies
SAT 3:30 PM Chiefs v Sharks
SAT 5:35 PM Blues v Cats
SAT 11:00 PM Stormers v Reds
SUN 1:00 AM Bulls v Crusaders
SUN 2:35 PM Hurricanes v Waratahs

Match of the week: Hurricanes v Waratahs

[Jack Daniels]

Aussie teams will be lucky to pull a win out of their asses this weekend too. :(

[Jack Daniels]

S12 Rd7

Highlanders 1-12
Chiefs 13+
Blues 13+
Stormers 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Huricanes 1-12 (12)

[Chuck]

Highlanders 1-12
Sharks 1-12
Blues 13+
Reds 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Hurricanes 13+ (13) Sorry JD :(

[QuickFunBet]

Brumbies 1-12
Chiefs 1-12
Blues 13+
Stormers 13+
Crusaders 13+
Hurricanes 1-12 (4)

Thanks,
QFB

[Jack Daniels]

No problem Chuck. Cause when they get up by 12 you will be bawling your eyes out for not taking them to win by 12. :p

[Sportz]

Why is Chuck sorry???

[kiwi]

S12 Rd7

Highlanders 1-12
Chiefs 1-12
Blues 1-12
Stormers 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Waratahs 1-12 (7)

Hurricanes fan but the Waratahs showed enough against the Crusaders and with Matt Rodgers back should do it.I will be surprised if the Canes make the top four.Their real comp starts now.:(

[Jack Daniels]

Why is Chuck sorry???

Cause not only will he have the margin wrong but the exact margin too. ;)

[Chuck]

what i did was a bit mean (well in my eyes anyway :D) JD went the Hurricanes by 12, and i went 13 meaning anything over that means i get the 2 pts for being closest to the correct margin. It just gives me more of a chance and narrows the odds of JD snagging the 2 pts

[kiwi]

S12 Rd7

Highlanders 1-12
Chiefs 1-12
Blues 1-12
Stormers 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Waratahs 1-12 (7)

Hurricanes fan but the Waratahs showed enough against the Crusaders and with Matt Rodgers back should do it.I will be surprised if the Canes make the top four.Their real comp starts now.:
(

A couple of changes to my picks

Highlanders 13+
Chiefs 1-12
Blues 13+
Stormers 1-12
Crusaders 1-12
Waratahs 1-12 (7):)

[Sportz]

what i did was a bit mean (well in my eyes anyway :D) JD went the Hurricanes by 12, and i went 13 meaning anything over that means i get the 2 pts for being closest to the correct margin. It just gives me more of a chance and narrows the odds of JD snagging the 2 pts

Unless they win by 11. :D

[Sportz]

Highlanders 1-12
Chiefs 13+
Blues 13+
Stormers 13+
Crusaders 1-12
Hurricanes 1-12 (10)

[Sportz]

Desi's Tips

Substituting for Desi this week. I hope the Chiefs win well for you mate.

Highlanders 1-12
Chiefs 13+
Blues 1-12
Stormers 1-12
Crusaders 13+
Hurricanes 1-12 (7)

[sparkus8]

Brumbies 1-12
Chiefs 1-12
Blues 13+
Stormers 13+
Crusaders 13+
Waratahs 1-12 (6)

[kiwi]

Hey Desi, get well soon buddy best wishes to you and your lovely lady.Go the Chiefs, they will win. If the Hurricanes do the same it will be a great weekend! :)

[Jack Daniels]

Well well well.....I didn't see that comming. I doubt the Crusaders did either. Well done to the Bulls.

Scores for the weekend thus far:

Highlanders 19 Vs Brumbies 18 (1-12)

Chiefs 40 Vs Sharks 5 (13+)

Blues 23 Vs Cats 6 (13+)

Stormers 15 Vs Reds 13 (1-12)

Bulls 35 Vs Crusaders 20 (13+) :eek: Shock loss for the Crusaders.

Hurricanes Vs Waratahs (12.30pm today)

4/5 so far a hell of a lot better than my 0/4 in the NRL comp or 2/5 in the AFL comp. :(

[Jack Daniels]

If the Waratahs can win today, it will be their greatest chance of a good finish to the year.

Go the Waratahs!!!!!!!!!!

[Jack Daniels]

Tahs beaten 26-24. But they did manage to salvage two bonus points, 1 for 4 tries the other for being within 7 points of winner.

They are still on top of the comp!!!! :D

Tahs 27

Brumbies in ACT next weekend though.

[Sportz]

This week:
10 Jack Daniels
9 Sportz
9 Desi
8 QuickFunBet
6 kiwi
6 Sparkus8
5 Chuck

Overall:
47 QuickFunBet
44 Sportz
43 Jack Daniels
41 Desi
39 Mr J
36 kiwi
35 Sparkus8
30 Chuck
29 mofo

[kiwi]

HURRICANES!...HURRICANES!

Oh so glad to get it wrong. Went to the game still hoarse from cheering, what a beaut game!:)

[Sportz]

Watched the second half on TV. Have you seen TV pictures of the last Hurricanes try. Absolutely amazing how he managed to hang on to that ball and score. Great game.

[kiwi]

Yeah Sportz, must have a huge mitt, and great balance as well those Island and Maori guys are natural footie players and have amazing skills.:)

[Chuck]

i am doing terribly !!!

:rolleyes: :eek: :o :mad:

[Sportz]

Round 8

FRI 5:35 PM Chiefs vs Cats
SAT 3:10 AM Bulls vs Reds
SAT 5:35 PM Blues vs Sharks
SAT 7:40 PM Brumbies vs Waratahs
SUN 1:00 AM Stormers vs Crusaders
Highlanders, Hurricanes BYE

Match of the week: Brumbies vs Waratahs

[Mr J]

Overall:
47 QuickFunBet
44 Sportz
43 Jack Daniels
41 Desi
39 Mr J
36 kiwi
35 Sparkus8
30 Chuck
29 mofo

That's what happens when you can't be bothered to post, don't remember or because the net just won't work.

[kiwi]

Round 8

Chiefs 13+
Bulls 13+
Blues 13+
Brumbies 1-12 (8)
Crusaders 1-12

[Jack Daniels]

Round 8

Chiefs 13+
Bulls 13+
Blues 13+
Brumbies 1-12 ( 11 )
Stormers 1-12

Might change Brumbies to Waratahs before tomorrow night, not sure yet.

[QuickFunBet]

Chiefs 13+
Bulls 13+
Blues 13+
Brumbies 1-12 (3)
Crusaders 1-12

Cheers,
QFB

[Chuck]

Chiefs 1-12
Bulls 1-12
Blues 1-12
Brumbies 13+ (15)
Crusaders 13+

[Sportz]

Chiefs 13+
Bulls 13+
Blues 13+
Brumbies 1-12 (8)
Crusaders 1-12

[sparkus8]

Chiefs 13+
Bulls 13+
Blues 13+
Waratahs 1-12 (4)
Crusaders 13+

[Sportz]

Desi's Tips

Chiefs 1-12
Bulls 13+
Blues 13+
Brumbies 1-12 (9)
Stormers 1-12

[Sportz]

Waratahs 1-12 (4)


You've killed us with that tip!!! Well done.

[Sportz]

This week:

14 Sparkus8
7 QuickFunBet
7 Sportz
7 kiwi
6 Jack Daniels
5 Desi
5 Chuck

Overall:

54 QuickFunBet
51 Sportz
49 Sparkus8
49 Jack Daniels
46 Desi
44 Mr J
43 kiwi
35 Chuck

Great performance by Sparkus8 this week. 14 points is the maximum score you could have got.

[Sportz]

S12 Rd 9

All times Aest

FRI 5:35 PM Hurricanes v Highlanders
SAT 5:35 PM Crusaders v Cats
SAT 7:40 PM Reds v Sharks
SAT 11:00 PM Bulls v Chiefs
SUN 1:00 AM Stormers v Blues
Brumbies BYE
Waratahs BYE

Match of the week: Hurricanes v Highlanders

[kiwi]

S12 Rd 9

Hurricanes 1-12 (3)
Crusaders 13+
Reds 1-12
Bulls 13+
Stormers 1-12

I've picked and backed the 'Canes so the curse is on them.Their pack is stronger this year so they should give Oliver's lot a run for their money:)

[QuickFunBet]

Hurricanes 1-12 (5)
Crusaders 13+
Reds 13+
Bulls 13+
Blues 1-12

Cheers,
QFB

[Jack Daniels]

S12 Rd 9


Hurricanes 13+ (14)
Crusaders 13+
Reds 13+
Chiefs 1-12
Blues 1-12

[Chuck]

Hurricanes 1-12 (6)
Crusaders 1-12
Sharks 1-12
Chiefs 1-12
Stormers 13+

[Sportz]

Hurricanes 1-12 (8)
Crusaders 13+
Reds 13+
Bulls 13+
Stormers 1-12

[Chuck]

Hurricanes 1-12 (6)
Crusaders 1-12
Sharks 1-12
Chiefs 1-12
Stormers 13+

Please change too:

Hurricanes 1-12 (6)
Cats 1-12
Reds 1-12
Chiefs 1-12
Stormers 1-12

Don't ask why ;)

[sparkus8]

Hurricanes 13+
Crusaders 13+
Sharks 1-12
Bulls 1-12
Stormers 1-12

[Sportz]

sparkus8,

Care to give us an exact margin in tonight's game?

[sparkus8]

Sorry mate, been one of those days!!

Hurricanes 13+ (16)

[Desi]

Hurricanes 1-12 (2)
Crusaders 1-12
Reds 1-12
Bulls +13
Blues 1-12
Brumbies BYE
Waratahs BYE

Notived desis improved since I took over haha..thanks everyone

desis best half

[Sportz]

Well, that knocked everyone out. Not one of us tipped the Highlanders.

[sparkus8]

Looks like last week was an abberation for me :)

Man if the Hurricanes play like that for the rest of the season they will miss the semis.

[Sportz]

This week:

6 Desi
4 QuickFunBet
4 kiwi
3 Sportz
3 Sparkus8
3 Jack Daniels
2 Chuck

Overall:

58 QuickFunBet
54 Sportz
52 Desi
52 Sparkus8
52 Jack Daniels
47 kiwi
46 Mr J
37 Chuck

[Chuck]

what utter BS...the Stormers blew a 24-0 nil over the Blues...and the Cats blew a 2 pt lead over the Crusaders with 5 min to go!!!

[Jack Daniels]

What a crap weekend I have had. :(

[Sportz]

S12 Rd 10

All times AEST

FRI 5:35 PM Crusaders vs Sharks
FR! 7:40 PM Reds vs Cats
SAT 3:10 AM Bulls vs Blues
SAT 3:30 PM Highlanders vs Waratahs
SAT 5:35 PM Hurricanes vs Brumbies
SUN 1:00 AM Stormers vs Chiefs

Match of the week: Highlanders vs Waratahs

[kiwi]

Crusaders 13+
Reds 1-12
Bulls 13+
Highlanders 1-12 (12)
Hurricanes 13+
Stormers 1-12

[Chuck]

Sharks 1-12
Reds 13+
Blues 13+
Waratahs 1-12 (12)
Hurricanes 1-12
Stormers 1-12