THE DAILY CHALLENGE (April)

[Sportz]

For this comp, we'll be using the Daily Challenge on the AAP Racing And Sports website. For those that don't know, the Daily Challenge requires you to tip one horse in each race at up to 4 different venues and you are then awarded points based on wins & placings and dividends in selected races.

Read about how the Daily Challenge works:
http://www.aapracingandsports.com.a...nge/aboutDC.asp

If you're not already registered on the website and want to join the comp, you can do so now. Try to sign up with the same name or a similar name to what you use on this forum, but if that's not possible, then please tell us here what name you registered under. Go here to register:
http://www.aapracingandsports.com.a.../registerme.asp

RULES

Put in your tips for each race at all 4 meetings on Saturday. You have to have your selections in by 11:59 AM Saturday. Then at the end of the day, post on here your final score and also your P.O.T for the Win. At the end of the month, we'll have a champion in each category.

For April, these are the days we will be tipping: Sat 2, Sat 9, Sat 16, Sat 23, Mon 25, Sat 30.

[kiwi]

Brilliant Sportz, i participate as Pembroke and believe the DC is a true test.It is especially tough on saturdays.

Just to showboat a little i cleaned up yesterday with 13 wins and 11 places, a win POT over 100% and a place POT over 50%.Usually i'm isatisfied if i make the top 10! You did very well on wednesday which is also a tough day.

I did the above purely using the neurals also found at R&S.Along with this site they are the best punting site on the net.

The Pro-pun forums are outstanding for the knowledge and maturity of the contributers.

Regards Kiwi ( Pembroke ) :)

[Sportz]

Kiwi,

If you don't mind, can you tell me how people can put their tips in today for tomorrow's races? On the website it says you can do that, but I can't seem to find out how. :o

Or is it just that you have to wait till later in the day for them to put tomorrow's races up???

[xptdriver]

Gday Fellas,

as my posting name implies, I Do actually drive XPT's for a living... this job entails staying away overnight and shift work... So a lot of the time I am not here on a Saturday Morning to post my selections.. How do I get on if I am working and cannot post?

[Sportz]

XPT,

Read my previous post. It says on the website that you can put your Saturday tips in on Fridays but I can't seem to work out how. I think perhaps they just haven't put tomorrow's meetings up yet and they might do that a bit later on today.

[kiwi]

Hi guys, you can put up your selections up to 3 days in advance.

The option is on the selection page highlighted in blue on the right hand side.At the moment all you will see is 1 April but more usually there will be two more days available.

They appear to have a software problem at the mo' and this could be why only today is available.:)

[Sportz]

Thanks. I thought that must have been the case.

[Sportz]

The meetings for tomorrow are up on the website now, so if anyone wants to put their selections in now they can.

[Chuck]

Randwick:
2-6
5-9
6-6
7-11
8-2

MV:
2-1
6-4
7-7
8-1

Morph.:
2-4
4-1
5-1
7-5

Doomben:
4-1
6-2
8-8

[Sportz]

Chuck, you can certainly post tips here if you wish, but what you really have to do to be part of the competition is put them on the 'Daily Challenge' webpage. Have you done that?

[Chuck]

you bet!

[Chuck]

is everyone going to post their tips? if not, i'll delete that post, but my username is Chuck_3000

[Sportz]

People can post their tips here, but it's not absolutely compulsory. As long as we know what your user name is and you come back at the end of each day with your final results.

Chuck, haven't you made a tip in every race? The idea was that we would tip in every single race that the Daily Challenge is operating on at the 4 meetings, even if we know little or nothing about the form for some of them. That's a REAL challenge!!! :)

[mecurial]

Ok, my user name is...mecurial. My question is do we have to have a slection in every race of the nominated meet?

[Sportz]

Yeah, every single race at each of the 4 meetings. Of course, that wouldn't really be a smart way of betting if we were using real money, but it's only play money we're dealing with. And as I said in my previous post, it'll certainly be a challenge for our tipping.

[Chuck]

ok, i'll change it now

[Goldcoaster]

i'm in my user name is.....Goldcoaster

[Sportz]

Well, of course I'm in too and my user name is Sportznut. :)

[Chuck]

not a very good turn-out guys!

[Sportz]

Hopefully a few more will join in before the cutoff point of 12 o'clock. If we only have about 4 or 5, it won't be much fun.

[kiwi]

The track is still rain affected at Randwick.For a carnival with all these Group 1 races we have had easy soft and heavy tracks to cope with.

[Sportz]

Reckon there's a chance of an upgrade after a race or two.

[xptdriver]

Gday All,

I post as dave60

[TESTAROSSA]

I am Testarossa

[Sportz]

Wouldn't have guessed that. :D

[xptdriver]

Pity they werent counting Kembla

[Sportz]

I could kick myself sometimes. Yesterday, I was fully intending to pick Kournerov in the 1st in Adelaide, but this morning after hearing the tips on the radio, I switched to Roman's Image. :(

[Chuck]

i'm off to a flier...leading the country at the moment with POT of 206%

[Goldcoaster]

yep your going well chucky....hope you are backing them

[Sportz]

I don't expect to do any good at all. I'm terrible at these comps where you have to pick just ONE horse per race. You see, when I bet, I always back 2 or more horses per race and if I have to single just one of them out I ALWAYS seem to go the wrong way. In 4 races today, I had the winner picked out yesterday and I changed it today. When will I learn? :(

[xptdriver]

Gday All

According to the AAP scoreboard my result was

9 Winners 10 places from 32 races for a score of 169

Couldnt quite catch the goldcoaster :)

POT of 10% which isnt too bad considering some of the rough results today..

I guess that is what I need to post?

[Chuck]

i finished off terribly!!!

148 pts, 7 Winners, 13 Places, 35% POT

[Sportz]

Yep.

I had 7 wins, 12 placings for a total of 140 points and POT of -32% :o

I'm very disappointed with myself today. I kid you not. I actually had Tezza Raami, Kournerov, Crevette and Amaizing Style all picked out yesterday and changed them all today after being influenced by the stupid radio tipsters and the betting. DUMB! :(

[mecurial]

148 Points, 5 Wins, 15 Places, POT 14%/-14% i dont understand that figure...I wish I had of had some of the winners on for REAL money...

[Chuck]

i ended up beating Goldcoaster by 15% on POT, despite him beting me by 24 pts overall

[kiwi]

My result was disaterous:

3wins 16places 116 points - 71% pot

You guys all did pretty good, believe me saturday is toughest for this comp.You all finished in the top 21 which is a very credible result.

[TESTAROSSA]

I finished 10th with 154 pts with 6 wins and 17 placings ( majority being bloody 2nds :( ) and - 27%/ 0% POT.

Can anyone explain why it says on my home page 0% place POT, but on the leaderboard it has me as 118% place POT?????

[Goldcoaster]

I Finished 5th overall
172 Points
9 Wins 10 Place
19% POT

[Chuck]

My result was disaterous:

3wins 16places 116 points - 71% pot

You guys all did pretty good, believe me saturday is toughest for this comp.You all finished in the top 21 which is a very credible result.

how many bets did you have to get a POT of 71%

[Chuck]

I finished 10th with 154 pts with 6 wins and 17 placings ( majority being bloody 2nds :( ) and - 27%/ 0% POT.

Can anyone explain why it says on my home page 0% place POT, but on the leaderboard it has me as 118% place POT?????

yeah, i had 20& place POT on the homepage, and 105% on the leaderboard

[xptdriver]

how many bets did you have to get a POT of 71%
Gday Chuck...

I think he was saying he was in the minus?

[xptdriver]

Gday All

I kinda enjoyed that comp yesterday.. kept intertest up through what in fairness was apretty tough old day... I got a bit lucky and picked a couple of winners in the high lighted races.. I assume they are worth double points... Even though the turnout from our forum was not big, the competition was very very good, not too far between any of the players, which makes for a good comp.. Keep it up see if we can encourage some more to join... Very enjoyable

As an aside How close was I in the WA Oaks... I thought I was home with lust in the dust :(

[Sportz]

Week one:

POINTS
172 Goldcoaster
169 xptdriver
154 Testarossa
148 mecurial
140 Sportz
116 kiwi

WIN P.O.T
+19% Goldcoaster
+14% Mecurial
+10% xptdriver
-27% Testarossa
-32% Sportz
-71% kiwi

If anyone else is reading this, why not join in with us and have a go next week? It would be good to have more than just the 6 of us. At least 10 would be nice. :)

[Sarge1]

Okay sportz, I'll give it a go.

How about today launceston r7:2 Brown eyed boy (dump the bank on him)

Giddeyup

[kiwi]

Hi Xpt and chuck.

If you check out the Daily archive on R&S it is possible to get big POT from all the bets:

eg 22.03.05 i got 327% POT from 16 bets two meetings that day, i enter as pembroke.

31.039.05 i got 115% POT from 33 bets.

Unfortunately my score this time was MINUS -71%.

The neural settings i use are good for provincial and country meetings, they are useless for city meets and my attempts to develope some for the city meets tend to have huge reversals as happened on saturday.:)

[Chuck]

Week one:

POINTS
172 Goldcoaster
169 xptdriver
154 Testarossa
148 mecurial
140 Sportz
116 kiwi

WIN P.O.T
+19% Goldcoaster
+14% Mecurial
+10% xptdriver
-27% Testarossa
-32% Sportz
-71% kiwi

If anyone else is reading this, why not join in with us and have a go next week? It would be good to have more than just the 6 of us. At least 10 would be nice. :)

didn't i get a look in?

i had 148 pts with a POT of 35%

[Sportz]

Nah. Sick and tired of you winning our comps, so I completely ignored you. :D

Seriously though, I must have just missed your scores. I thought we only had 6 in the comp. :)

POINTS
172 Goldcoaster
169 xptdriver
154 Testarossa
148 Chuck
148 mecurial
140 Sportz
116 kiwi

WIN P.O.T
+35% Chuck
+19% Goldcoaster
+14% Mecurial
+10% xptdriver
-27% Testarossa
-32% Sportz
-71% kiwi

[Chuck]

i personally think POT is more important than some silly point system, don't you Goldcoaster ;)

[Goldcoaster]

Yep Chucky....all comes back to whats in the pocket.....but points is still good

[kiwi]

Congratulations to Goldcoaster and xpt first and third in sundays daily challange.You guys sure know how to pick 'em.I hope you did well on the tote as well.Both of you finished with a plus POT also .This is a challange when you need to pick a horse in every race.

Did you know if you go to players' selections you can display your picks?

I only got 4 winners today but finished -1% POT on win and 0% place, so as Chuck says it quality selections ultimately that build up the POT and keep you in front at the Tote.:)

Chas

[xptdriver]

Congratulations to Goldcoaster and xpt first and third in sundays daily challange.You guys sure know how to pick 'em.I hope you did well on the tote as well.Both of you finished with a plus POT also .This is a challange when you need to pick a horse in every race.

Did you know if you go to players' selections you can display your picks?

I only got 4 winners today but finished -1% POT on win and 0% place, so as Chuck says it quality selections ultimately that build up the POT and keep you in front at the Tote.:)

Chas

Gday kiwi,

thanks for that... had a pretty nice day today.. I don't know that i could survive on backing just the one horse tho... we had some nice winners around the place today that weren't my "on top" raters.. I use the on top horses in the daily challenge, as they produce a few winners.. and score points.. I was happy with Orange Cup winner tho... upwards of 12 bucks is always nice..

POT is important, but the thing about the challenge is the POT is calculated at flat staking... ( I don't wanna start a flat V progressive staking argument here).. Personally I don't bet that way.. I am a bit of a chaser when need be, and for me, thats why the number of winners is important.. But chasing isn't for everyone and can at times get a bit bloody scary... I always draw a line at the end of each day tho.. start afresh tomorrow.. and it works pretty nicely for me .. each to their own I reckon...

I always display my picks because they are on display here (being the forum) on most days, so there is little point in me "hiding" them... I like to try and steer as many as possible into a winner or two if I can.. for me thats the name of the game

[Sportz]

I don't know that i could survive on backing just the one horse tho... we had some nice winners around the place today that weren't my "on top" raters.. I use the on top horses in the daily challenge, as they produce a few winners.. and score points.. I was happy with Orange Cup winner tho... upwards of 12 bucks is always nice..

This is where I'm going to have problems in this comp and I don't really expect to do all that well. I NEVER back just one horse per race. Always 2 and sometimes 3 and even 4. Whatever it takes to finish in front. I too had that Orange Cup winner today (amazed at the price), but I only had it rated 2nd. I didn't go in the Daily Challenge today, but if I had, I would have picked Juerga instead which finished 2nd. On Saturday, so many of my 2nd selections won it wasn't funny. Proved frustrating in the comp, but I still managed to do okay with real money because I was betting 2 or 3 runners per race. :)

[kiwi]

Another difficult points scoring day on the DC.
However from a strike rate of only 21% I still managed a win POT of 6% again proving it is the value of the winners not the quantity that keeps you in the black.
There was a high % of favourites winning and the other standout was the number of TABonline 100 raters that won.:)

[Sportz]

the other standout was the number of TABonline 100 raters that won.:)

Yeah. Nice.

[kiwi]

Successful day in the Daily Challange for me tuesday, 28% SR 2nd place and a win POT of 103%..

Would have had the $36 winner of the last at Mackay also.No 17 was my original selection and No 15 my next choice but worked a double shift and couldn't get the scratchings.Number i7 was a PPM with a replacement jockey.:)

P.S XPT, did not bet today because of work, but when i do i use the Retirement Staking Plan, which is target betting, with moderate success.

[Sportz]

Has everybody got their tips in for today's challenge???

[TESTAROSSA]

Yes Mummy :)

[Sportz]

Good boy. :D

[Sportz]

I'm off to another SHOCKING start. :o

[xptdriver]

I'm off to another SHOCKING start. :o
Gday Sportz,

Yeah I know what ya mean.. I wish they had included NZ racing :)

[Sportz]

I have this terrible problem. I tend to change my original Friday selections on Saturday morning and it never really does me any good. I've now missed out on 3 straight winners in Sydney because of that. :(

[Sportz]

Well, it's official. I am HOPELESS at this game:

121 points

0% POT

[xptdriver]

Well, it's official. I am HOPELESS at this game:

121 points

0% POT


Gday Sportz,

dont let it worry ya... you are in good company :)

Today

7 Winners 8 Place getters 147 points close enough to square with 3% POT

[Sportz]

I think I take these things far too seriously instead of just treating it as a bit of fun, putting my tips in nice and early and then forgetting about it. I cost myself 4 wins today because I changed my Friday night selections. Oh well, never mind. I actually did quite well on the punt today. Notice some of the winning barriers in Brisbane. And I had a couple of very good priced winners with Classic Karla and Graduated. :)

[Chuck]

8 Wins - 6 2nds - 3 3rds.....165 pts

i know i came 2nd overall in the comp for POT and SR, but how do i know exactly what it was if i'm trying to look at it via the daily archive??? it just has everyone at -100%

[Goldcoaster]

8 wins 4 seconds 3 thirds 133 Points
Have no idea about % & Positions as it looks like the site is playing up & they are not displayed

[Sportz]

8 Wins - 6 2nds - 3 3rds.....165 pts

i know i came 2nd overall in the comp for POT and SR, but how do i know exactly what it was if i'm trying to look at it via the daily archive??? it just has everyone at -100%

Yeah Chuck, I know you were right up near the top POT wise, but for some reason it seems you have to look at it on the day to get the right POT figure.

We'll have to forget about the POT. Bad thing for you as you would have been well in front. We'll just concentrate on the pointscore. Looks like there's not a great interest in this comp anyway, so it might last for just one month. :o

[kiwi]

Hi guys the Archive will update soon.It would pay to check at the end of the day for your POT.

I had another crap day. 5 wins 7 seconds 4 thirds 137 points and from memory minus 32% POT.

Perhaps you can update the results monday, the Archive should update by then.

You will find saturday is difficult because there are usually 3 or 4 good chances in each race. Any POT around 0% is good and that achieved by Goldcoaster and Chuck is admirable.Golcoaster has been very consistant all week.

My neural experiments are an abject failure at the mo' but dioing the neural algorhithms it pays in the long run not to stay with the same settings too long.:)

[Sportz]

Okay, I've decided to call off this comp due to lack of interest and because of difficulty some are having getting their POT figures. I guess this was just another one of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time. :o

From the two weeks results we had, I think I can proclaim xptdriver a narrow winner over Chuck on points while Chuck was the winner on P.O.T. Well done guys.

Those that do have a go at the Daily Challenge each week can still come on here and say how they went, but we won't bother tallying up scores competitively.

[Chuck]

i thought it was only competitve on Saturdays anyway?

Nevermind...i think the stable challenge is taking up most people's thoughts at the moment

BTW is it still called that? Because there seem to be an awful lot changes going on there

[Sportz]

Yeah. :o

We were only using the Daily Challenge on Saturdays, but it's just that it was pretty obvious there wasn't a great deal of interest in it and also we had the problems with people not being able to check their POT etc.

[Sportz]

Is the Daily Challenge not working today or is it just my computer???

[kiwi]

Is the Daily Challenge not working today or is it just my computer???

Yep it's down Sportz.Used the neural setting Tim 3 JA 3 TA 3 JT3 on friday and came up with a 71% pot 9 wins 9 places 5th place.Did it in 10 minutes while working a double shift.Couldn't hang around in case i was caught.

Usually have at least 3 settings for class and distance and it can take up to two hours to do.

The result was ironic heh? Could be a good setting for minor meetings!?:)

[Sportz]

Have you done any research with the neurals on what combination seems to work best? How did they go today?

Hey Kiwi, I got an $86 winner yesterday in Townsville R5 with that barrier thing I was talking about a while back. My top pick was number 1 from barrier 1 in a field of 16, so I also had $1 EW on number 4 from the outside barrier. The horse was only $11 pre-post, but it hadn't even had a run before and it was coming from barrier 16, so everyone pretty much ignored it. They actually ran the quinella too which paid $125, but I only had an any2 which paid $30.

It's amazing how many times the inside or outside barrier bobs up at good odds in big fields (14+). Even if I don't back them individually, I always like to have them in any2s, quinellas, trifectas at least. Take a look at Melb R6 & 7 and Adel R6 today. I could have possibly even had the $5095 trifecta on Melbourne R7 if I had been willing to outlay more on that race. :(

[Sportz]

Used the neural setting Tim 3 JA 3 TA 3 JT3 on friday and came up with a 71% pot 9 wins 9 places 5th place.


Do you mean they were the only 4 settings you used?

[kiwi]

Do you mean they were the only 4 settings you used?

Yeah, just those Sportz.I will use the same settings today (sunday) the only problem with neurals as they tend to fluctuate in their efficieny and i'm not sure how comparitive friday and sunday racing is.

Yesterday I managed 6th place, unusual because i usually stink on the stronger race days.The neurals i used varied according to the strength of the fields and distance.The many upsets probably contributed to my better performance.I don't always go for favourites or high raters.It is POT i am concerned with achieving.
My Auzzie punting was 4 bets 4 losses.

Backed a NZ winner on looks only yesterday ( it did a good prelim, looked muscled, threw its legs straight, bent it's knees perfectly and was prancing at the barrier all good signs)That paid for my days punting with a 47% profit.
Only 3 winners overall from 13 bets but the price about the winners was good enough

Well done on that big winner a brilliant return on investment, your barrier system is a beaut and i have won off it before.As you have said you do not need much on to profit big from an outsider.The only problem if you cover all bases ie the Melborne and Adelaide race too it dilutes your overall POT should you miss .
In my case i never punt more than 10% of my bank each day and spreading the outlay toowide i could reach that limit too quick.

[Sportz]

I would be HOPELESS at going by looks for horses. I could tell when a horse is overweight or something but that's about it. Apart from that, I must admit that all horses look pretty much alike to me.

[Paddy]

I would be HOPELESS at going by looks for horses. I could tell when a horse is overweight or something but that's about it. Apart from that, I must admit that all horses look pretty much alike to me.


Weigh the buggers! just like they do for greyhounds.

[kiwi]

Agree Paddy, weigh 'em, i think they do in Hong Kong.

Heavy track at Sunshine Coast today Sportz so will use WT 5 DIST 3 and DLR 5.This setting has come up with lowest saddlecloth numbers and widest draws too.One was paying over $100!?I can't back it as we do not get the early Auzzie races to bet on NZ.

[kiwi]

This could be a day for the 100 raters, a couple of good results so far!

[Sportz]

Yep. :)

[mecurial]

Are we supposed to post results, is the comp still going...? I apologise for last week, but I couldn't get to post on Saturday.

Anyway, my results yesterday were as follows:

10 Wins (2nd highest for the day)
5 2nds
2 3rds
POT - I dont know whether it was working or not, but it says -100%

Just for interest, how many overall people are in that competition?