THE STABLE CHALLENGE

[Sportz]

Okay, a new idea for us here. The idea of this comp is to pick a 'stable' of horses to follow over the next couple of months. The challenge will go from Apr 9 to June 13. The idea is to try to pick horses you think will be able to win races on metropolitan tracks on Saturdays and Public Holidays over that period.

RULES

Closing time for posting your stable is Midnight Friday Apr8. You need to pick 12 horses for your stable, 6 'Group A' horses and 6 'Group B' horses.

During the period of the comp, you'll be having hypothetical bets on all of your stable horses whenever they start at one of our nominated meetings. You'll bet either $20 Win or $10 EW on all Group A horses and you'll have either $10 Win or $5 EW on all Group B horses. You decide on the day of the race if you want to back them Win or EW.

On May 8 a 'trading period' will begin where you can replace up to 3 of your stable horses with new selections for the rest of the comp. Closing time for this is Midnight Fri May 13. During this time, you are also allowed to swap your A & B horses around if you wish, as long as you continue to have 6 of each.

It is up to you to post all your stable runners on here when they are down to race. Probably a good idea to use something like the 'Racenet Blackbook' so you don't miss any of the selections. http://www.racenet.com.au/blackbook.asp

There are 14 racedays and 67 meetings we will be able to use for the competition. If one of our horses wins a race at another meeting during the competition period, it's just bad luck.

Here are the meetings we'll be betting on:
Sat Apr 9 (Doom, W.Frm, Caul, Morp, Belm)
Sat Apr 16 (E.Frm, Rose, Flem, Chel, Belm)
Sat Apr 23 (Doom, Rand, Caul, Chel, Belm)
Mon Apr 25 (E.Frm, Rand, Flem, V.Pk, Belm)
Sat Apr 30 (Doom, Rose, Sand, Morp, Belm)
Mon May 2 (Doom, Cant)
Sat May 7 (E.Frm, Rose, Flem, Morp, Belm)
Sat May 14 (G.Cst, Rand, Sand, Morp, Belm)
Mon May 16 (Ipsw, Cant, Flem, Morp, Belm)
Sat May 21 (Doom, Rose, M.Val, Chel, Belm)
Sat May 28 (Doom, Rose, Flem, Chel, Belm)
Sat June 4 (E.Frm, Rose, Sand, Chel, Belm)
Sat June 11 (E.Frm, Rand, Flem, Morp, Belm)
Mon June 13 (E.Frm, W.Frm, M.Val, Morp, Belm)

Obviously, the one whose stable has made the most money after June 13 will be the champ. Good luck with it. :)

[Shaun]

good stuff mate....thats what i am doing right now so think i will be in this....a little different from what i am doing but still will give it ago

[Raw Instinct]

Yea I would be in this for sure looks real interesting

[Chuck]

i'm in

[kiwi]

I'm a starter for this Sportz.

[Sportz]

A few days to go. I hope we will have more than just 5 of us in the comp.

Is anyone ready to post their stables yet? I still have a few spots to sort out with mine.

[mecurial]

I'm happy to participate, no good having only a paltry amount in. But how are we supposed to pick out horses that are to run 6 weeks in advance? Especially in the dreaded winter months, I'm not realy going to have an idea of who will be running..

[Paddy]

So you can pick any horse/s. Doesn't matter what class they may be racing in?

[Sportz]

Well, that's the trick Mecurial. It's not meant to be easy.

Read all the recent articles in the papers or on the racing websites like Racenet or AAP RacingAndSports. They will often tell you which horses are being targetted for which races in the next couple of months. Also try to catch up with the racing news on your local racing station if you can.

Alternatively, go through the races from the last couple of Saturdays and look for horses which have had just 1-3 runs back from a spell and have been impressive or unlucky. Look for the horses that just seem to be building up to a win in the near future.

I've also given you a headstart by allowing you to wait until Friday night to post your stable of horses. That means you can look at the form guide and pick some horses you think will win this Saturday. It also means you should be able to pick out a few horses which are perhaps resuming from a spell or maybe have had 1 or 2 runs back and therefore will be aimed at big races over the next couple of months.

Hope all that helps.

[Sportz]

So you can pick any horse/s. Doesn't matter what class they may be racing in?

Yes. As long as they will be running at metropolitan meetings on Saturdays and public holidays. Won't be much good if they run in a midweek maiden at Gosford or Bendigo or something.

[Paddy]

Any chance of a 2nd 'trading period' Sportz? :)

[punts2]

Any chance of a 2nd 'trading period' Sportz? :)

same thought crossed my mind....any chance Sportz?

[Sportz]

Paddy, you're lucky I'm so nice. :D

Okay, here's what we'll do. We'll divide the comp into 3 parts instead of 2. During both of the trading periods, you'll be able to drop 3 of your 12 horses and change your A & B horses around. By the way, I dropped the Canterbury meeting on May 2 as it's only a public holiday in Qld and the Sydney meeting will probably be just like a midweeker.

Entries in by Midnight Fri April 8

First part of the comp
Sat Apr 9 (Doom, W.Frm, Caul, Morp, Belm)
Sat Apr 16 (E.Frm, Rose, Flem, Chel, Belm)
Sat Apr 23 (Doom, Rand, Caul, Chel, Belm)
Mon Apr 25 (E.Frm, Rand, Flem, V.Pk, Belm)

1st trading period - Tue Apr 26 to Midnight Fri Apr 29

Second part of the comp
Sat Apr 30 (Doom, Rose, Sand, Morp, Belm)
Mon May 2 (Doom)
Sat May 7 (E.Frm, Rose, Flem, Morp, Belm)
Sat May 14 (G.Cst, Rand, Sand, Morp, Belm)
Mon May 16 (Ipsw, Cant, Flem, Morp, Belm)

2nd trading period - Tue May 17 to midnight Fri May 20

Third part of the comp
Sat May 21 (Doom, Rose, M.Val, Chel, Belm)
Sat May 28 (Doom, Rose, Flem, Chel, Belm)
Sat June 4 (E.Frm, Rose, Sand, Chel, Belm)
Sat June 11 (E.Frm, Rand, Flem, Morp, Belm)
Mon June 13 (E.Frm, W.Frm, M.Val, Morp, Belm)

Hope that's more to your liking. :)

[Tenacious Spirit]

I'm in for this one.

[Sandgroper]

Something a little different
Pencil me in

[Chuck]

i had fun last week choosing would-be runners for this comp!!! Does anyone know of a racing schedule for the next couple of weeks?

[Sportz]

You should be able to get some info out of this:

QLD Winter Carnival highlights:
https://www.queenslandracing.com.au/wintercarnival/CarnivalDates.asp

QLD Race dates & programs:
https://www.queenslandracing.com.au/racedates/search.asp

NSW Racing Calender:
http://210.9.78.177/racing.asp

VIC Racing Calender:
http://www.racingvictoria.com.au/racing_information/raceday/programs.php

SA Race dates, programs and Feature races:
http://www.trsa.com.au/racing/fixtures.html

WA Racing Calender:
http://www.waturf.org.au/html/racing/calendar.html

[Top Rank]

Sounds like an interesting comp. Sportz you need a medal for running these things. I won't be competing but will be watching with interest.

I don't know if it would be giving a leg up to anyone, but I would be slipping Shamehka and Afraah in. Gai has already indicated these two will bat on for the other carnivals, and Gai does'nt mind running her horses into the ground to pick up prizemoney.

Best of Luck to everyone.

[Sportz]

Well, I had Afraah picked out and was thinking about Shamekha.

[Shaun]

i won't be including Shamekha...i already made my money there @24 the win

[Sportz]

And I thought I did well at just over $5 on Saturday.

[Chuck]

i actually thought that Magnetism looked the better horse on Saturday (Despite Losing). Its just whether the trainer keeps him going. I'm not going to concentrate on the big races...a few shock picks ;)

[Rudolph]

Count me in, great work Sportz!

[Tenacious Spirit]

Yeh I am throwing in a few randoms.
I was hoping to see my namesake race but he has been on like some neverending spell.

[Mr ed]

Here's mine,

Candy Vale
Crying Storm
Bruges
Gold Wells
Spanish Symbol
Gallic
Brilliant Jewel
Algorythym
Headland
Sassbee
Star Shiraz
Sonic Royale

Is this what were supposed to do?

[El Gordo]

Here's mine,

Candy Vale
Crying Storm
Bruges
Gold Wells
Spanish Symbol
Gallic
Brilliant Jewel
Algorythym
Headland
Sassbee
Star Shiraz
Sonic Royale

Is this what were supposed to do?


Now all you need to do is group them Mr ed.


As per Sportz original post

You need to pick 12 horses for your stable, 6 'Group A' horses and 6 'Group B' horses.

During the period of the comp, you'll be having hypothetical bets on all of your stable horses whenever they start at one of our nominated meetings. You'll bet either $20 Win or $10 EW on all Group A horses and you'll have either $10 Win or $5 EW on all Group B horses. You decide on the day of the race if you want to back them Win or EW.

[Sportz]

Yeah, Mr Ed. The 6 horses that you're keenest on go into "Group A" and you bet twice as much on these horses as you do on the "Group B" horses.

Remember that the first section of the comp finishes on Apr25 and after that you'll have a chance to change them around and switch some Group B horses to Group A and vice versa.

[Mr ed]

Cheers El Gordo

Group A

Candy Vale
Gallic
Algorythym
Headland
Sassbee
Brilliant Jewel

Group B

Spanish Symbol
Sonic Royale
Crying Storm
Star Shiraz
Bruges
Gold Wells

[Sportz]

Thanks Mr Ed for being game enough to put your head on the chopping block first. :)

[Mr ed]

Thanks sportz, looks like a fun comp. So i've kept the ones just staring their preps and looking for further etc down the bottom and lift them up later when they are in more suitable races. Is that supposed to be the idea?

[Sportz]

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

[Starcraft]

Group A

Dizelle
Picardi Run
Raid The Royals
Danni Martine
Tui Song
Video Hits

Group B

Danger Looms
Astrodame
Alinghi
Irish Crusader
Lad of the Manor
Padfoot Charlie

May you all kick donkeys!

[Sportz]

I'm not going to tell anybody what they should be putting in their stable but just remember that it's horses that will be running in Aust metro meetings over the next 2 months.

[Starcraft]

Why? Did I do something wrong?

[Mr ed]

Starcraft, alot of great horses there, but really horses like Alinghi, Dizzelle, Lad of The Manor, Danni Martine, Tui Song and Danger Looms have all finished their autumn canivals and will be spelled until the spring so you wont get any races from them in this comp. Better off backing horses at start, middle of their preps who race quite often such as, Zariban and Proudly Aggro who i know are two of your favorites.

[Sportz]

Yep.

Starcraft, not all but most of the horses that raced over the last few weeks in the big Group 1 races in Sydney will be going out for a spell. You would be better looking at horses that have just come back and had 1 or 2 starts. It also would be good to include a few horses that race in Brisbane or Adelaide because that's where the big races will be during the comp.

I've given you a head start by allowing you up until midnight this Friday to pick your stable. That way you can look at this Saturday's races. Should be able to pick a few nice horses out of that. :)

[Starcraft]

Group A

Picardi Run
Raid The Royals
Video Hits
Astrodame
Irish Crusader
Padfoot Charlie

Group B

Show Biz Kid
Binding
Charnwood Green
Dante's Paradiso
El Suroso
Ike's Dream
Mahtoum
Navy Blue

Anyone have any problems with Group B being spelled or whatever?

[Paddy]

Group A

Picardi Run
Raid The Royals
Video Hits
Astrodame
Irish Crusader
Padfoot Charlie

Group B

Show Biz Kid
Binding
Charnwood Green
Dante's Paradiso
El Suroso
Ike's Dream
Mahtoum
Navy Blue

Anyone have any problems with Group B being spelled or whatever?

Unless I've missed a more recent post you've got 8 starters in group B Starcraft, & we're suppose to have 6 in each group ;)

[Paddy]

Unless I've missed a more recent post you've got 8 starters in group B Starcraft, & we're suppose to have 6 in each group ;)


Funny that ? you got the spread right the first time :)

[Sportz]

Yeah. A total of 12 horses please, 6 in each group.

[Rudolph]

Group A
Zankel
Amtrak
Kylikwong
Bruges
Ambers Halo
Force Apollo

Group B
Savage Attack
Sopratutto
Lord Erin
Devastating
Mango Daiquiri
Loyal Lauren

[Starcraft]

Group A

Picardi Run
Raid The Royals
Video Hits
Astrodame
Irish Crusader
Padfoot Charlie

Group B

Show Biz Kid
Binding
Charnwood Green
Navy Blue
Mahtoum
Ike's Dream

Spares for the Changeover

El Suroso
Dante's Paradiso
Proudly Agro
Zariban

[kiwi]

GROUP A
DANCE THE WAVES
COOL FRONT
STRIKING VICTORY
ST BASIL
ASTRODAME
LATIN LOVER

GROUP B
BAILS
POWER HUNT
SVENSKA
VOULRAY
CALVEEN
HIT THE ROAD

[Mr ed]

Thought i had a real smoky with Candy Vale, who won brilliantly last start in good time, but the barstards at the Age have also tipped her in an article called 'Like Taking Candy' so will probably be unders. Can I also swap Bruges and Sassbee, Bruges for Group A, cheers.

[Sportz]

Yeah, that's right, but what about Leveller and Dane Belltar etc?

Please make sure you check the fields carefully, because you have to back ALL of your stable runners that are racing each week. Perhaps you can use a blackbook facility like Racenet's to make sure you don't miss any.

[mecurial]

Ok, here goes.

Stable A aka The A-Team

Afraah
Dance Hero
Force Apollo
Leveller
Super Elegant
Vouvray

Stable B
Dane Belltar
Happier
Kylikwong
Proudly Agro
Seismic Lady
Trattoria

I assume we have to bet on these horses for the weekend yes?

So,

A-Team
MRO1 No. 4 Leveller $10 E/W
MRO5 No. 5 Force Apollo $20 WIN

Stable B
MRO2 No. 10 Trattoria $5 E/W
SRO1 No. 4 Seismic Lady $10 WIN
ARO7 No. 6 Dane Belltar $10 WIN
BRO7 No. 4 Proudly Agro $5 E/W

[Sportz]

Your stable will certainly be busy.

[mecurial]

Ha I wouldn't be surprised if they end up lining up against each other a few times in the coming months.

[romankoz]

Count me in for just Perth racing
Thanks
Roman
I will make up a list by tonight

[romankoz]

PERTH racing only

Group A
Nullagine
Great Nation
Sun Konyah
Amba Ale
Legend Express
Steptoe

Group B
King's Carnival
Billyaintsilly
Paid Debt
Female Warrior
Accept The Rose
Storm Coast

I will keep a record for you.
Thanks for starting the competition

[Sportz]

Are any of yours running tomorrow?

[Chuck]

GROUP A:
Happier
Sunlady
Brockman's Lass
Zingham - $20 WIN
Portland Singa

GROUP B:
Country Lodge
Delzao
Star Shiraz
Blessum
Roman Arch - $10 WIN
Gallic - $10 WIN

[Starcraft]

I swear this is the final change!

GROUP A

Picardi Run
Raid The Royals
Video Hits
Astrodame
Irish Crusader
Padfoot Charlie

GROUP B

Show Biz Kid
Binding
Charnwood Green
Proudly Agro
Zariban
Navy Blue


SPARES

El Suroso
Dante's Paradiso
Mahtoum
Ike's Dream

And I'll be having $5 EW on Zariban, Proudly Agro & Picardi Run this weekend. Go you good things! Kick those donkeys!

[Sportz]

You must bet $20 on your Group A horses, so I'll put you down for $10 EW on Picardi Run.

[Sportz]

Chuck,

You've only got 5 horses in Group A.

[Starcraft]

Thanks, Sportz, I forgot about that. See you with a pocket full of (pretend) cash on Monday!

[Chuck]

Sorry, please change to:

GROUP A:
Happier
Sunlady
Brockman's Lass
Zingham - $20 WIN
Portland Singa
Roman Arch - $20 WIN

GROUP B:
Country Lodge
Delzao
Star Shiraz
Blessum
Magnetism
Gallic - $10 WIN

[Sportz]

Wish I had that problem Chuck. I'm currently trying to cut 16 horses down to 12. :D

[Chuck]

don't worry, i have plenty more i want to put in!!!

[Raw Instinct]

"A" Horses

St.Basil
Tingirana
Merlot Now
Devastating
Lightofprosperity
One in a Million

"B" Horses

Kincharm
Raw Metal
Lightning Command
Presently
Speedy King
True Steel

[Sportz]

don't worry, i have plenty more i want to put in!!!

Yeah, I reckon I could easily have had 20+ horses, but I've tried to keep it to horses that should be racing during April. The 6 extra horses that I'll add later on will be horses that I think can win the big feature races in Brisbane and Adelaide.

[Sportz]

Don't forget to post your bets for tomorrow's races.

[Raw Instinct]

"A" Horses

St.Basil
Tingirana
Merlot Now
Devastating
Lightofprosperity
One in a Million

"B" Horses

Kincharm
Raw Metal
Lightning Command
Presently
Speedy King
True Steel

Can I please replace One in a Million with Rashini sorry mate

[Sportz]

Raw, does a week ever go by when you don't make a late change to your tips??? :D

Usually works out too, so I guess we should all be on Rashini tomorrow.

[Raw Instinct]

9/4/05 bets

St. Basil $20 win
Tingirana $20 win
Merlot Now $10 E/W
Devastating $10 E/W
Lightofprosperity $20 win
Rashini $20 win


Raw Metal $10 win
Lightning Command $10 win
True Steel $10 win

[Raw Instinct]

probably not mate actually Rashini should go real close tomorrow bit of luck it will work out

[Sportz]

Group A
Crevette
Gallic
Happier
King's Valour
Moet Magic
Silent Lass

Group B
Barker Lad
Laura's Charm
Sassbee
Shadoways
Southern Class
We Can't Say That

This week:
M7-1 Gallic $10 EW
S8-8 King's Valour $10 EW
A2-6 Silent Lass $10 EW
M1-5 Shadoways $5 EW

[Paddy]

Must admit I was fluthered (again) when I picked this lot out :D


GROUP A
IRISH BELLE
GALLIC
SPIRIT OF TARA
LILLY O'REILLY
MR. MURPHY
SHAMROCK SHORE


GROUP B
IRISH PRIDE
IRISH ACADEMY
IRISH NOBLE
IRISH LOUP
IRISH CRUSADER
IRISH DARLING

[Paddy]

Must admit I was fluthered (again) when I picked this lot out :D


GROUP A
IRISH BELLE
GALLIC
SPIRIT OF TARA
LILLY O'REILLY
MR. MURPHY
SHAMROCK SHORE


GROUP B
IRISH PRIDE
IRISH ACADEMY
IRISH NOBLE
IRISH LOUP
IRISH CRUSADER
IRISH DARLING


And this weeks donations are:

SR1 IRISH LOUP $5ew
SR2 IRISH NOBLE $5ew
SR8 SPIRIT OF TARA $10ew
SR9 SHAMROCK SHORE $10ew
MR3 IRISH BELLE $10ew
MR5 MR. MUROHY $10ew
MR7 GALLIC $10ew

[Mr ed]

Ok all win bets

$20 win Candy Vale
Gallic
Brilliant Jewel
Bruges
Headland
Algorithm

$10 win
Spanish Symbol
Gold Wells
Crying Storm

[Sandgroper]

Group A
Dr John
Royal Minx
The Black Cigar
Ambers Halo
Tantra Dancer
Professional Lady

Group B
Fair Alert
Finito
Blevvo
Modem
Metaldale
Laetare

[Sportz]

Paddy, I swear it seems like there's some sort of theme with your stable. Can't quite put my finger on it though. :D

[Sandgroper]

Group A
Dr John $10 EW - R4
Royal Minx $10 EW (duel acceptor - R3 / R4)
The Black Cigar $10 EW - R8
Ambers Halo $10 EW R4
Tantra Dancer $10 EW R3
Professional Lady $10 EW (duel acceptor - R3 / R8)


Group B
Fair Alert $5 EW R4
Finito
Blevvo
Modem
Metaldale $5 EW R5
Laetare $5 EW R7

[Sportz]

Okay, we've got 11 contestants. Here they are:

Mr Ed
A: Algorythm, Brilliant Jewel, Bruges, Candy Vale, Gallic, Headland
B: Crying Storm, Gold Wells, Sassbee, Sonic Royal, Spanish Symbol, Star Shiraz

Rudolph
A: Ambers Halo, Amtrak, Bruges, Force Apollo, Kylikwong, Zankel
B: Devastating, Lord Erin, Loyal Lauren, Mango Daiqiri, Savage Attack, Sopratutto

Starcraft
A: Astrodame, Irish Crusader, Padfoot Charlie, Picardi Run, Raid The Royals, Video Hits
B: Binding, Charnwood Green, Navy Blue, Proudly Agro, Showbiz Kid, Zariban

Kiwi
A: Astrodame, Cool Front, Dance The Waves, Latin Lover, St Basil, Striking Victory
B: Bails, Calveen, Hit The Road, Power Hunt, Svenska, Vouvray

Mecurial
A: Afraah, Dance Hero, Force Apollo, Leveller, Super Elegant, Vouvray
B: Dane Belltar, Happier, Kylikwong, Proudly Agro, Seismic Lady, Trattoria

RomanKoz
A: Amba Ale, Great Nation, Legend Express, Nullagine, Steptoe, Sun Konyah
B: King's Carnival, Billyaintsilly, Paid Dept, Female Warrior, Accept The Rose, Storm Coast

Chuck
A: Brockman's Lass, Happier, Portland Singa, Roman Arch, Sunlady, Zingam
B: Blessum, Country Lodge, Delzao, Gallic, Magnetism, Star Shiraz

Raw Instinct
A: Devastating, Lightofprosperity, Merlot Now, Rashini, St Basil, Tingirani
B: Kincharm, Lightning Command, Presently, Raw Metal, Speedy King, True Steel

Sportz
A: Crevette, Gallic, Happier, King's Valour, Moet Magic, Silent Lass
B: Barker Lad, Laura's Charm, Sassbee, Shadoways, Southern Class, We Can't Say That

Paddy
A: Gallic, Irish Belle, Lilly O'Reilly, Mr Murphy, Shamrock Shore, Spirit Of Tara
B: Irish Academy, Irish Crusader, Irish Darling, Irish Loup, Irish Noble, Irish Pride

Sandgroper
A: Ambers Halo, Dr John, Professional Lady, Royal Minx, Tantra Dancer, The Black Cigar
B: Blevvo, Fair Alert, Finito, Laetare, Metaldale, Modem

[Sportz]

Rudolph, Kiwi and RomanKoz still to post their bets for this week.

[Chuck]

Must admit I was fluthered (again) when I picked this lot out :D


GROUP A
IRISH BELLE
GALLIC
SPIRIT OF TARA
LILLY O'REILLY
MR. MURPHY
SHAMROCK SHORE


GROUP B
IRISH PRIDE
IRISH ACADEMY
IRISH NOBLE
IRISH LOUP
IRISH CRUSADER
IRISH DARLING

i'm amazed you actually found this many...if you come out trumps then it truly will be the luck of the Irish :D

Where has your signature gone, too? ;)

[Paddy]

i'm amazed you actually found this many...if you come out trumps then it truly will be the luck of the Irish :D



I actually had to trim down the list Chuck before submitting :)

[Paddy]

....Where has your signature gone, too? ;)

On hollier at the mo, bit jaded from all that dancin’ ;)

[Chuck]

yeah i always thought it might get tired after a while!

[Sportz]

Rudolph, Kiwi and RomanKoz still to post their bets for this week.

Guys, please could you post your bets for today so we can see what you've got running and whether you're backing them for the win or each-way.

[Rudolph]

A Team Runners today
1.Zankel $10 EW
2.Ambers Halo $20 Win
3.Force Apollo $20 Win
4.Bruges $20 win

B Team Runners today
1.Devastating $5 EW
2.Lord Erin $10 Win
3.Loyal Lauren $10 Win
4.Savage Attack $5 EW

Plenty in action today.

[kiwi]

Group A
Doomben R 7 St Basil $20 win

Group B
Doomben R2 Hit The Road $10 win

[Sportz]

Well done with Hit The Road, Kiwi.

[Sportz]

....and other good winning tips today have been Zingam, Zariban and Candy Vale.

Extremely well done with Candy Vale, Mr Ed. I must admit I probably wouldn't have even considered it if not for your tip.

[Paddy]

Yes, very nice results so far kiwi & Mr ed :)

[Sportz]

Well, Mr Ed and Chuck are on a roll.

[Rudolph]

When you mentioned Candy Vale Mr ED, had a look and thought it was worth a bit EW, thinking i would get around $15 in a good race. Ended up only paying $6.30 on S-TAB and it won in convincing style, Great Tip!

[Mr ed]

Cheers Fellas, Yeh your not wrong $21 in Herald $26 in the WP, but he was exceptional when had no luck on debut and went straight out for a spell. Come back with a devastating win, and judging by his win today, he looks future group class, nice big horse too.

[Mr ed]

He's a she

sorree

[Raw Instinct]

Sportz I was going to annoy you and ask to change Merlot Now to $20 for the win but thought better of it :( ofcourse it would backfire.

[Sportz]

Has anybody got a placing today? I've been thinking that perhaps I should change that rule.

With this comp we are after all trying to pick future winners, not future placegetters, so does anyone have any complaints with cancelling out all the each way bets today and making them all win bets instead??? I've noticed that there's been quite a few each way bets today which have won, so I think those people would be agreeable.

What does everyone think?

[Raw Instinct]

lol ofcourse I am up for it but don't take what I said the wrong way though I was only mucking around.

[Mr ed]

i'll always be going win so sounds good here.

[Sportz]

Yes, I think that's what we'll do. It will make things much simpler.

All group A horses are $20 Win and all Group B horses are $10 Win.

[Mr ed]

Not that it worries me, but is that retrospective Sportz, or from here on in?

[Sportz]

Retrospective Mr Ed. I've worked out today's results and it didn't really hurt anyone. In fact it helped most.

Still one race in Perth to go, but I can tell you that you are in front overall, while Chuck is in front on a P.O.T basis.

[Sportz]

Leaderboard:
Mr Ed: $302.00
Chuck: $226.00
Raw Instinct: $151.00
Starcraft: $121.00
Paddy: $120.00
Sandgroper: $86.00
Mecurial: $57.00
Kiwi: $54.00
Sportz: $48.00
romankoz: $39.00
Rudolph: $26.00

P.O.T:
Chuck: +352.0%
Starcraft: +202.5%
Mr Ed: +101.3%
Kiwi: +80.0%
Paddy: +20.0%
Raw Instinct +0.1%
romankoz: -2.5%
Mecurial: -5.0%
Sandgroper: -42.7%
Sportz: -45.8%
Rudolph: -78.3%

Well done guys on the first week. Some great winners tipped and every single person got at least one winner. Overall, all 11 people's bets added together produced a profit of $270 or 28.1%. Not bad. Could have been even more if some of us had done a bit better though. :o

[Chuck]

it would have been $122 more in the bank if Zingham hadn't firmed from $11 into $4.80 !!!

he was a certainty in my book after his last run...missing the start and screaming home...

it was a bit risky only having 3 horses running today...especially seeeing Gallic breakdown (or near to it), but i guess it payed off...i just hope none of mine aren't going into spells!!!

[kiwi]

Well done with Hit The Road, Kiwi.

Thanks Sportz, well done to all.If I could have included Calveen it would have been a better result.

However i backed both in NZ and also collected on the Calveen trifecta.:)

[Sportz]

Yeah, sorry about that, but I thought I'd better draw the line somewhere for this first attempt at our comp. So I decided to keep it to Aust metro races on Saturdays and Public holidays. I assume Calveen will be heading to Adelaide or Brisbane???

[Sportz]

it was a bit risky only having 3 horses running today...especially seeeing Gallic breakdown (or near to it)

Yeah, well I assume Gallic will probably be spelled now. How bad was it? I had him picked out for some of the staying races in Adelaide. At least that makes the decision of which horses to replace next time easier.

Some people had as many as 10 or 11 of their stable runners going around this week. Hard to see more than a few of those backing up next week, so they might find it a bit tough to add to their tally. Will be interesting to see how many selections we have next week. It was easy this week by comparison because at least we had the fields to go by. There's a couple of horses in my stable that I'm worried about because I thought they might have been in this week and they weren't. Hope they aren't injured or out for a spell.

[kiwi]

Yeah, sorry about that, but I thought I'd better draw the line somewhere for this first attempt at our comp. So I decided to keep it to Aust metro races on Saturdays and Public holidays. I assume Calveen will be heading to Adelaide or Brisbane???

I guess O'Sullivan is targetting the Stradbroke.The horse could be anything it has a relaxed galloping style and while the others are gut busting just lopes along.

[Starcraft]

Who the hell is Finito? And are there any General Nediym horses racing?

[Sportz]

You can mark all of these down for this week:

Cianara
Dane Shakira
Landloper
Portland Singa
Raid The Royals
Reannag
Sorenstam
Willy Leica

They were all horses I was strongly considering for my stable but eventually I left them out. I see they're all nominated for this Saturday. You watch 'em get up now. Especially Raid The Royals which is one of my current favourites, but I left it out because I thought it might have gone out for a spell. :(

[Chuck]

GO THE SINGA...in my group A

great last start run

[Sportz]

I know, but as I said, I could have picked 20+ horses and that was one that I eventually decided to leave out. Probably a big mistake. It's nominated for the same race as Dane Shakira.

[Mr ed]

Have been very impressed with Raid the Royals sports, he really motors home. Just thought we might have missed the boat with him for this comp, as his odds will no longer be flash, and he'll start to creep up in the weights. My tip for the straight 6 will be Mcarthy's Bar if he gets a run, will almost certainly be on the minimum and was a monster finish first up for nearly a year, i wish i took him instead of Gallic.

Also thought Sonic Royal's next run will be in town after three absolute huge runs @ Cranbourne (the videos need to be seen to be believed) again i thought first trip to town so perhaps some odds. I have no doubt he can win in town, but he's instead been nominated for a poxy C4 @ Cranbourne Thursday, which he looks an absolute standout in. He has been winning them Showcase races so actually dropping in class for demoralising them last start @ ridiculous overs. He's getting up in weight so might get better then even money for him, in which case he's a must have.

Hopefully Sassbee runs this weekend Sportz, he's a real talent and can't wait to see him back @ the races.

[Sportz]

Yes, I was going to include Sonic Royal too, but I looked at all the nominations last week and saw he was down for that Cranbourne race. That's the only reason I left him out. He's won all of his last 3 races at Cranbourne, so they obviously like running him there.

This Stable comp idea is a bit experimental. It probably would have been better to include all races on any day of the week and allow people to update their stable weekly. I just thought it would be a bit easier the way I've done it and we'll play it out this way until the end. It will be a real challenge.

For the next comp we do though, I'll probably use the following rules:
20 horses
Update weekly
Any TAB races

[Chuck]

i'm not sure about that...it you update it weekly then isn't it basically a tipping comp? Just pick the horses you think will win on Saturday! Maybe 2 trades weekly but no more than that...And isn't 20 horses a bit too much...agreed that there were a lot more horses we could've put in isn't, but that is part of the game!

[Sportz]

Yeah, it would only be 1 or 2 changes each week. Of the 20 horses, 10 of them would be horses that you MUST keep in your stable all the way through no matter what, while you could replace 1 or 2 of your other 10 horses each week. Maybe not 20 horses, perhaps 16 or something like that.

Anyway, don't worry about that now. We're not using those rules on the current stable.

[Chuck]

BTW

are we calculating the final rankings on POT or Winnings? For example who would be winning this week if we have a different person on top of each ladder?

[Sportz]

It's calculated on overall winnings (sorry Chuck :)), but I include the POT table there just as a reference.

After all, it would be possible for somebody to get a huge POT by having just a handful of runs and getting one or two good results from those. This comp is about selecting as many future winners as possible, and preferably at reasonably good odds, so overall winnings it is.

[Chuck]

oh well...2nd's better than 7th eh Sportz!

[Sportz]

Yeah. :o

[Mr ed]

I think 12 horses is plenty and maybe just be able to change 2 a week would be good so then we could add our specials. I also like the idea about any tab races, because as we all know getting a 4/1 winner in the country is exactly the same as getting a 4/1 winner in the Melbourne Cup, and Victoria country meetings is where i do best.

[Paddy]

I think 12 horses is plenty and maybe just be able to change 2 a week would be good so then we could add our specials. I also like the idea about any tab races, because as we all know getting a 4/1 winner in the country is exactly the same as getting a 4/1 winner in the Melbourne Cup, and Victoria country meetings is where i do best.


Would suit me! One of my stable is a possible starter at Kalgoorlie on Sunday!!

[Paddy]

Who the hell is Finito? And are there any General Nediym horses racing?

Some old horse still racing in perth :)

[Paddy]

Yeah, well I assume Gallic will probably be spelled now. How bad was it? I had him picked out for some of the staying races in Adelaide. At least that makes the decision of which horses to replace next time easier.

Some people had as many as 10 or 11 of their stable runners going around this week. Hard to see more than a few of those backing up next week, so they might find it a bit tough to add to their tally. Will be interesting to see how many selections we have next week. It was easy this week by comparison because at least we had the fields to go by. There's a couple of horses in my stable that I'm worried about because I thought they might have been in this week and they weren't. Hope they aren't injured or out for a spell.

Great :rolleyes: I'm already one down :(

[Sportz]

OH, WHAT THE HECK! Geez, I'm easily persuaded! Okay guys, here's what I'll do.

We haven't had a horse run around yet at a midweek or non metropolitan meeting as far as I know, so no reason why we can't change that rule. I agree about the fact that a winner in the bush is just as much a winner as those at City tracks. (disagree with that comment about the Melbourne Cup though Ed)

Also, I agree that it would probably be better if we could make changes every single week instead of every 3 weeks. That way, you can quickly replace horses that are injured or going out for a spell etc. Also, as we will be making changes every week, it's not necessary to have a Group A & B as we'd just be able to change them every single week anyway. So for pure simplicity, I think from now on we'll just have 12 runners in our stable, no Group A & B. I'm sorry, but I'll also adjust our results from Saturday accordingly.

So here are the new rules. Everyone that's in this comp please read them:

Everybody to have 12 horses in their stable.

During the period of the comp, you'll be having hypothetical $10 win bets on all of your stable horses whenever they start at an Australian meeting covered by Unitab.

Each Friday, you'll be able to replace up to 2 of your stable runners with new selections. If you have a stable runner racing on Friday, you must wait until after they've run. Otherwise you can make your changes any time on Friday up until the cutoff time of midnight.

It is up to you to post all your stable runners on here when they are down to race. Probably a good idea to use something like the 'Racenet Blackbook' so you don't miss any of the selections, especially as we are now counting races at out of town tracks. http://www.racenet.com.au/blackbook.asp



There. Those rules are MUCH simpler. Why didn't I just do it like that in the first place??? Anyway, as not everyone is likely to read this before tomorrow, can we have volunteers to go through all the stable lists and check for runners. I'll have a look but I might miss one. I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be any running today, but there might be a couple tomorrow. I know that Kylikwong is down to run and she's in a couple of stables. Also Mr Ed mentioned Sonic Royal which might run on Thursday.

Okay, that's it. No more rule changing from now on..... :o

[Paddy]

Cheers Sportz, your blood is worth bottling ;)

[Chuck]

sorry to gripe, but i say we should still have Group A and B horses, and that these changes should come into effect at the end of this week i.e. Sunday

[Paddy]

sorry to gripe, but i say we should still have Group A and B horses, and that these changes should come into effect at the end of this week i.e. Sunday


Bugger! And I've got a stable runner (IRISH DARLING) starting at Sandown tomorrow!!

[Sportz]

I'm very sorry for all the stuffing around Chuck. It's just that it will be easier if we do it this way. I really should have simply organised it like this in the first place.

As I said, there's probably no more than just a few horses racing this week anyway and as we've only had one raceday, I don't see any real harm in bringing in these rules now.

Again I apologise to all for the sloppy organisation, but I think it will be better if we do it this way from now on. :o

[Chuck]

what about he Group A and B rules...are they going to stay because i thought that was a good idea

[Mr ed]

What about if you only get 2 changes a week i.e swapping a horse for another horse = 1, moving a horse from group a to b = 1, this would stop people mixing things around too much. Example, if you wanted to swap Gold Wells from group b for Mccarthy's bar that's one, then if you wanted to swap Mccarthys bar into group a and downgrade Gallic to group B thats your second. Once any changes are made the contestant must then post their full Stable list including specifying the changes they made and grouping their stable. Just throwing around ideas, but i think this Sunday we should all be able to chose a complete new stable, as for the new any meeting rule.

[Sportz]

:( Fair dinkum, I'm getting a headache with all these suggestions. I thought I had it all sorted.

I must admit that's a good idea of yours Mr Ed regarding the number of changes and Group A/B. I should have thought of all these damn things before I started this comp. It seemed like a good idea at the time. :o

[Sportz]

ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY THE FINAL RULE CHANGES I'M MAKING TO THIS COMP!!! I hope. :(

Okay, this is it! No more changes. This is what I'm going to do.

READ CAREFULLY
We will keep all of our original stables and follow the original rules as they are until after this Saturday's meetings are finished. That means that if any of our horses are running at any other meetings this week apart from the Metro meetings on Saturday, they won't be counted. I'm very sorry about that, but that's only fair to the people who distinctly followed the original rules and picked out horses for Sat metro meetings only.

Then, after Saturday's meetings are finished, everyone is entitled to choose a completely new stable with up to 12 new horses if you wish. You have up until Midnight Friday Apr 22 to post your new stable or Midnight on the day before your next horse races. If for example you wish to include a horse which is running this Sunday, then you have to post your new stable by Midnight this Saturday. If you wish to include a horse running next Wednesday, you have to post your new stable by Midnight next Tuesday etc etc. With these new stables, we will be following these rules:

RULES

Everyone to pick 12 horses in their stable, 6 'Group A' horses and 6 'Group B' horses.

During the period of the comp, you'll be having hypothetical bets on all of your stable horses whenever they start at an Australian meeting covered by Unitab. You'll bet $20 Win on all Group A horses and you'll have $10 Win on all Group B horses.

Each Friday, you'll be able to make up to 2 changes to your stable. If you have a stable runner racing on Friday, you must wait until after they've run. Otherwise you can make your changes any time on Friday up until the cutoff time of midnight. If you sack one of your stable runners and replace it with a new selection, that is counted as one change and if you swap a Group A horse and a Group B horse around, that is also counted as one change. You must have 6 Group A horses and 6 Group B horses in your stable each week. Make sure you outline your changes when you post your new stable each Friday.

It is up to you to post all your stable runners on here when they are down to race. Again, as I suggested, probably a good idea to use a blackbook service as we'll be counting races from non metro tracks and on all days of the week.


Well, there you go. I apologise sincerely to everyone for all the terrible stuffing around and rule changes. Sorry also to Paddy and Mr Ed and a couple of others who will miss out on runners over the next couple of days, but I thought it was only fair to stick to the original rules until everybody gets a chance to change their stables.

Hmmm, I definitely should have thought this through a lot more before I started this comp. :o

[Sandgroper]

We will keep all of our original stables and follow the original rules as they are until after this Saturday's meetings are finished.


So EW is back in for this Saturday?

[Sportz]

No. That's one original rule that I've ditched altogether. Just $20 Win or $10 Win.

[Sandgroper]

No. That's one original rule that I've ditched altogether. Just $20 Win or $10 Win.


No problemo. At least you’re consistent.

[Sportz]

Yeah! Consistently inconsistent!!! :o

[Mr ed]

Looks the goods Sportz, and they said we'd never make it.

[Sportz]

Yeah, I hope it all works out. :)

[Paddy]

Yeah, I hope it all works out. :)

I'm sure it will Sportz :)

[Raw Instinct]

ok thought it was my turn to put my 2 cents in :) was starting to feel a bit left out here the only thing I would say is that maybe 1 change would be better than 2 the way I see it that still leaves at a tough challenge makes your initial picks important but gives you the oportunity to replace a horse that is injured.

[Chuck]

Should we pre-count all the edits Raw Instinct is going to do as actual changes? That might give him an incentive to make is 1st choic his final one ;)

[Raw Instinct]

lol yea nice work there Chuck and I deserved that one I guess I meant that once the comp has actually started I guess to be honest I had that many horses that I meant to put in there but was running out of time to do it so in the end I just put a make shift stable together without to much thought into it.

[Chuck]

BTW i notice your namesake is running in the first at EF this Saturday...perhaps a guest appearance in your stable?

[Raw Instinct]

lol yea he is down to run in the Weetwood at Toowoomba on Thursday aswell that is where I think they will go with him might be a place chance there hopefully he will just get some luck this prep.

[Sportz]

And are there any General Nediym horses racing?

I have a good one for you. His name is "Garth" and I think he may be racing in Brisbane this week. From what I've seen, he's quite promising.

[Mr ed]

Too right Sportz, very promising. I remember when this horse was unraced i got the mail that he was very good, in fact Neprotain had just won five in a row for Moody, and they said this thing was kicking its brains in on the track. Backed off the map before first-up win at the Valley last time, then won well when long odds on with big weight in the country. He is down in the weights this weekend and looks a real chance in whichever race he accepts in. I here he is being set for the Stradbroke, if he can qualify.

[Paddy]

Too right Sportz, very promising. I remember when this horse was unraced i got the mail that he was very good, in fact Neprotain had just won five in a row for Moody, and they said this thing was kicking its brains in on the track. Backed off the map before first-up win at the Valley last time, then won well when long odds on with big weight in the country. He is down in the weights this weekend and looks a real chance in whichever race he accepts in. I here he is being set for the Stradbroke, if he can qualify.

Only failure heavy track! Might be a worry heading for a "winter" carnival!

[Sporty]

Only failure heavy track! Might be a worry heading for a "winter" carnival!

but Paddy from memory that 1st-up failure was against a pretty good field

[Sportz]

Okay, well these horses won't officially be earning money for people's stables (sorry guys) but they all have an excellent chance, so let's see how they go:

Today:
Sandown R2-7 Irish Darling
Sandown R6-2 Kylikwong
Tomorrow:
Cranbourne R8-2 Sonic Royal

By the way, there's a horse running at Bunbury today that I've had a bit of success with in the last couple of months.... R7-2 Joachimstaler. Anybody have any opinions on it's race today?

[romankoz]

I had three runners on the weekend in Perth:
Group A:
Sun Konyah Unplaced
Group B:
King's Carnival Unplaced
Accept The Rose WON 3.30 SP

Roman Koz

[Sportz]

Summary of results from last Saturday:

Mr Ed
Algorythm -$20.00
Brilliant Jewel -$20.00
Bruges -$20.00
Candy Vale +$134.00
Gallic -$20.00
Headland +$128.00
Crying Storm -$10.00
Gold wells -$10.00
Spanish Symbol -$10.00
(+$152.00) $302.00

Chuck
Roman Arch +$62.00
Zingam +$124.00
Gallic -$10.00
(+$176.00) $226.00

Raw Instinct
Devastating -$20.00
Lightofprosperity -$20.00
Merlot Now +$60.00
Rashini -$20.00
St Basil -$20.00
Tingirani -$20.00
Lightning Command -$10.00
Raw Metal +$38.00
True Steel +$13.00
(+$1.00) $151.00

Starcraft
Picardi Run -$20.00
Proudly Agro +$47.00
Zariban +$54.00
(+$81.00) $121.00

Paddy
Gallic -$20.00
Mr Murphy -$20.00
Shamrock Shore -$20.00
Spirit Of Tara +$100.00
Irish Loup -$10.00
Irish Noble -$10.00
(+$20.00) $120.00

Sandgroper
Ambers Halo +$6.00
Dr John -$20.00
Professional Lady -$20.00
Royal Minx -$20.00
Tantra Dancer +$40.00
The Black Cigar -$20.00
Fair Alert -$10.00
Laetare -$10.00
Metaldale -$10.00
(-$64.00) $86.00

Mecurial
Force Apollo -$20.00
Dane Belltar -$10.00
Proudly Agro +$47.00
Seismic Lady -$10.00
Trattoria -$10.00
(-$3.00) $57.00

Kiwi
St Basil -$20.00
Hit The Road +$44.00
(+$24.00) $54.00

Sportz
Gallic -$20.00
King's Valour -$20.00
Silent Lass -$20.00
Shadoways +$38.00
(-$22.00) $48.00

RomanKoz
Sun Konyah -$20.00
King's Carnival -$10.00
Accept The Rose +$29.00
(-$1.00) $39.00

Rudolph
Ambers Halo +$6.00
Bruges -$20.00
Force Apollo -$20.00
Zankel -$20.00
Devastating -$10.00
Lord Erin -$10.00
Loyal Lauren -$10.00
Savage Attack -$10.00
(-$94.00) $26.00

Overall: Out $960.00, In $1,230.00 Profit $270.00 (28%)

[Mr ed]

Add on 2 more winners today @ 2.70 and 1.80, and we're on fire!, well done.

Oratorio won that race Garth was in @ the Valley, was Manikato day on the heavy a very rare occurance for Mooney Valley. You might be right though Paddy he has a perculiar action, very long strides so might not like the real bog.

Isn't Power Hunt running tommorow Spotz? He is alo entered for Saturday so maybe not. He is a immature but a very good horse, needs luck though so is always a point or two short of his real odds.

[Sportz]

Spotz here. :D

Yeah, Power Hunt's down for the Weetwood tomorrow. He's a BIG horse and from what I've seen, he seems to take a while to get going in his races. He usually has to come from the back of the field, but he can really fly home at the end, and there'll probably be speed on. Looks like a wide open race that anything could win.

[Raw Instinct]

Tremendous Value there in the Weetwood sports that is for sure there always seems to be good value there I remember the race a couple of years ago I think the favourite was 8-1

[Paddy]

Bugger! And I've got a stable runner (IRISH DARLING) starting at Sandown tomorrow!!

No fancy odds but did win :)

[Mr ed]

Certainly did Paddy.

Very wet track @ Cranbourne today for Sonic Royal. He has a second in a maiden and a trial win in the heavy so i haven't changed my mind, should get better odds though.

[Paddy]

Must admit I was fluthered (again) when I picked this lot out :D


GROUP A
IRISH BELLE
GALLIC
SPIRIT OF TARA
LILLY O'REILLY
MR. MURPHY
SHAMROCK SHORE


GROUP B
IRISH PRIDE
IRISH ACADEMY
IRISH NOBLE
IRISH LOUP
IRISH CRUSADER
IRISH DARLING



Can only see just the 4 starters for Saturday so my donations are:

SR6 SHAMROCK SHORE $20 WIN

MR5 MR. MURPHY $20 WIN
MR6 IRISH CRUSADER $10 WIN

Perth1 IRISH ACADEMY $10 WIN

[Sportz]

For those that maybe haven't read the previous pages, I've made some rule changes to account for different situations which have come up with this comp and requests from different competitors. That includes most importantly counting horses which run at meetings away from the Saturday metropolitan tracks.

Please read this carefully:

We will keep all of our original stables as they are until after this Saturday's meetings are finished. Then, after Saturday's meetings are finished, everyone is entitled to choose a completely new stable with up to 12 new horses if you wish. You have up until Midnight Friday Apr 22 to post your new stable or Midnight on the day before your next horse races. If for example you wish to include a horse which is running this Sunday, then you have to post your new stable by Midnight this Saturday. If you wish to include a horse running next Wednesday, you have to post your new stable by Midnight next Tuesday etc etc. With these new stables, we will be following these rules:

RULES

Everyone to pick 12 horses in their stable, 6 'Group A' horses and 6 'Group B' horses.

During the period of the comp, you'll be having hypothetical bets on all of your stable horses whenever they start at any Australian meeting covered by Unitab. You'll bet $20 Win on all Group A horses and you'll have $10 Win on all Group B horses.

Each Friday, you'll be able to make up to 2 changes to your stable. If you have a stable runner racing on Friday, you must wait until after they've run. Otherwise you can make your changes any time on Friday up until the cutoff time of midnight. If you sack one of your stable runners and replace it with a completely new selection, that is counted as one change and if you swap a Group A horse and a Group B horse around, that is also counted as one change. You must have 6 Group A horses and 6 Group B horses in your stable each week. Make sure you outline your changes when you post your new stable each Friday. If you don't post a new stable by next Friday, then we'll simply count your original one.

It is up to you to post all your stable runners on here when they are down to race. Again, as I suggested before, it's probably a good idea to use a blackbook service as we'll be counting races from non metro tracks and on all days of the week. It's important that you post your selections on here, so we don't have to go through all the races to find them for you.

[Sportz]

E.FM R5-14 WE CAN'T SAY THAT $10
ROSE R7-13 KING'S VALOUR $20
FLEM R1-6 LAURA'S CHARM $10
CHEL R3-1 CREVETTE $20
CHEL R4-7 SASSBEE $10
CHEL R6-5 BARKER LAD $10
CHEL R6-7 MOET MAGIC $20

[Chuck]

Original Stable:
A: Brockman's Lass, Happier, Portland Singa, Roman Arch, Sunlady, Zingam
B: Blessum, Country Lodge, Delzao, Gallic, Magnetism, Star Shiraz

New Stable:
A: Brockman's Lass, Happier, Portland Singa, Roman Arch, Sunlady, Radetzky March
B: Blessum, Country Lodge, Delzao, Sir Dex, Magnetism, Star Shiraz

In's & Out's:
A: IN - Radetzky March... OUT - Zingham
B: IN - Sir Dex...OUT - Gallic

Saturday's Bets:
SR02-1 Portland Singa - $20 WIN
SR08-3 Radetzky March - $20 WIN

SR06-1 Sir Dex - $10 WIN
MR05-6 Country Lodge - $10 WIN
MR07-9 Blessum - $10 WIN
BR04-1 Star Shiraz - $10 WIN


I hope this is the right setting out!

[Sportz]

We will keep all of our original stables as they are until after this Saturday's meetings are finished. Then, after Saturday's meetings are finished, everyone is entitled to choose a completely new stable with up to 12 new horses if you wish.

Sorry Chuck, read my previous post again.

You can choose a new stable now if you wish, but as far as bets go for this Saturday, you can only bet on horses from your original stable. After Saturday's meetings, you're entitled to choose another entirely different stable if you wish with up to 12 new horses, so why not wait till then.

By the way, yes, you did set it out correctly, IF we were actually doing it that way this week.

[Chuck]

Okay, then remove the bets on Radetzky March and Sir Dex

[Starcraft]

Group A

Raid The Royals - $10 each way
Astrodame - $10 each way
Irish Crusader - $10 each way

Group B

Show Biz Kid - $5 each way

Go forth and kick those donkeys!

[Sportz]

Starcraft,

Sorry, but I decided to abandon each-way betting in this comp and make it only win betting, so you'll have to have:

Raid The Royals - $20 Win
Astrodame - $20 Win
Irish Crusader - $20 win
Show Biz Kid - $10 Win

[Rudolph]

Been away for a few days...so i'll have to brush up on the new rules.

Pretty sure i've only got Amtrak(Flem R7-No.2) running tomorrow.
From the A stable so $20 on the nose.

[Sportz]

Rudolph, all you need do is read the rules in my post on the previous page and you'll be right. We're changing the comp from Saturday metro only to any TAB meeting, so therefore people have the opportunity to pick a whole new stable if they wish after tomorrow's races. You may not want to make any changes at all. It's up to you.

[Raw Instinct]

only horse I have running tomorrow is

SR 1 #1 Kincharm $10 win

[Mr ed]

same here - 10win Sassbee

[kiwi]

Sydney race 1 Astrodame

[Sportz]

Well, a pretty disappointing day all round for our stable runners. Still a few races left in Perth but here's how we've gone:

Tipster (Week) Overall

Mr Ed ($42.00) $344.00
Chuck ($0.00) $226.00
Raw Instinct ($0.00) $151.00
Sportz ($78.00) $126.00
Starcraft ($0.00) $121.00
Paddy ($0.00) $120.00
Sandgroper ($0.00) $86.00
Mecurial ($0.00) $57.00
Kiwi ($0.00) $54.00
RomanKoz ($0.00) $39.00
Rudolph ($0.00) $26.00


Don't forget, to coincide with a change in the comp rules from Saturday metro only to any TAB meeting, you're all now entitled to choose an entirely different stable if you wish to do so. Again 6 Group A horses and 6 Group B horses and this stable must be posted by midnight Friday Apr 22 OR midnight on the day prior to your next horse running. For example, if you want to pick a horse that's going around tomorrow, you must post your new stable by midnight tonight. If you haven't posted a new stable by next Friday, then you'll just use the one you already have.

[Chuck]

Whats the point of letting people choose an entirely new stable??? i can see absolutely no reasoning behind that at all. I mean, we picked a stable and now we should live with it. 2 changes a week is definitely enough as it is. If our horses have spelled or broken down (which one of mine has) then thats all part of the game isn't it??? I just don't think that a whole new stable is a good idea...maybe 2 changes max...its just not logical

[Sportz]

Chuck,

The stable that we started off with was ONLY for Saturday metropolitan races. Seeing as we've changed that rule to betting on any Tab meeting at all, I think it's only fair to allow people to select a new group of horses, so that they can pick some horses for country and midweek meetings if they wish. Some people may be totally happy with the 12 horses they have, and they don't have to change them.

[Chuck]

Why then are we doing midweek races at all? Most don't have much of an idea at all about those races, and won't even be around to put the tips/bets in.

[Chuck]

NOT HAPPY JAN!!! It just seems that all those who won't be putting in bets for midweek are going to suffer in the end, but definitely are going to be at a disadvantage. How are we supposed to blackbook runners that we don't watch race?

[Sportz]

I'm sorry Chuck, but this came up when we had a few horses that people had picked out for Saturdays turning up during the week.

I know that I originally set this up for Saturdays only, but really, if you pick a horse to follow, why should it matter where and when it runs next. A win's a win. Why should you be penalised because the trainer decides to run your horse in a midweek race instead of a Saturday. And you do get some pretty good horses running on Sundays and Wednesdays especially.

As for people being advantaged, you still have to find the winners. Just because people will be able to bet any day of the week, it doesn't necessarily mean they'll get any more winners. And chances are, the prices will probably be shorter away from the Saturday metro meetings. If you only want to pick horses for Saturday meetings, that's perfectly okay, but at least now you won't be penalised if they then turn up at a midweek meeting instead. And while it would be good if people notify us whenever their horses are running, I will still check all the fields each day just to make sure that we don't miss any.

[Chuck]

As for people being advantaged, you still have to find the winners. Just because people will be able to bet any day of the week, it doesn't necessarily mean they'll get any more winners

If we were doing it on profit then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, but we are doing it on winnings so it is an advantage if you bet more.

[Sportz]

But people will still only be able to have 12 horses Chuck. If you pick 12 Saturday metro horses, you should really get the same number of runs out them as if you pick 12 Country midweek horses. The only advantage would be if you pick horses that tend to run every single week therefore giving you more chance to win. But basically, you simply pick 12 horses that you think can win races in the near future, and now you won't miss out no matter where the trainer decides to run them.

[Paddy]

When you fellas sort it all out, don't forget to let the rest of us know what is going on with this on again, off again, re-shaped, re-worked etc comp :)

[Sportz]

Paddy, check out Post number 153 on page 16.

[Raw Instinct]

Ok lets get this straight for myself and everyone else I guess.


Sportz anyone who is currently in the comp can basically dump all of the horses out of the stable which they have now and start all over if they wish to. also from now on we can bet any day of the week and have the ability to make 2 changes per week aswell. and this is all effective as of today the only other thing I want to clarify when does the week begin and end and what time do changes have to be made by if there is a deadline.

[Raw Instinct]

Sportz I amnot having a go at you or anything just want to make sure I have it right and it might clarify it for a few more people.

[Sportz]

As I said to Paddy, have a look at Post 153 on Page 16 of this thread. Then hopefully you should be right

Yes, anybody that's in the comp can pick an entirely new stable if they wish. This stable must be posted on here by Midnight Friday Apr 22 OR by Midnight the day before your next horse runs. For example, if you want to include a horse in your stable that's running tomorrow, then you have to post your stable by Midnight tonight.

You don't have to change your stable if you don't want to. You can leave it exactly how it is if you like. Just tell me you're keeping it the same and you can start using it the following day. Anybody that hasn't posted a new stable by Midnight Friday Apr 22, will simply continue using their original one from Saturday Apr 23.

Our betting weeks go from Saturday to Friday. Starting from Apr 29, you can change your stable every Friday. If you have a stable runner on Friday, you have to wait until after it's run to change your stable. Otherwise any time on Friday up till the cutoff time of Midnight.

[Raw Instinct]

Thanks Sportz sorry for being a pain in the ass

[Sportz]

Don't worry. It's really my own fault for not getting it right in the first place. :o

[Sportz]

Oh no. Sorry Paddy. Please don't look at the result of Kalgoorlie R6. :(

[Starcraft]

Hey I just noticed the rules have changed. I pay little attention as it is, please don't make this difficult. If you want to do midweek racing, could you please put each way bets on my horses as I'll have NFI who's racing midweek. And did everyone have a terrible weekend of betting?

[Sportz]

Starcraft,

You don't HAVE to look for midweek horses. You can just stick to picking Saturday horses if you wish. All you have to do is pick 12 horses that you think can win races in the near future, but now you won't be penalised if the trainer decides to run them midweek instead of Saturday. That's all.

And as we're trying to pick future winners, I think we should stick to win betting only. By the way, Win betting improved your position dramatically in week one compared to each way betting.

[Sandgroper]

Sportz. Just providing notification that I’m not continuing on in this comp. Major attraction to me in the first instance was the EW option as included in the original rules. Now no longer an option, the ‘new’ comp is no longer of interest to me.

[Sportz]

Sandgroper,

I'm very sorry to hear that. Are you sure you won't reconsider? :o

This is turning into a mess. I'm beginning to wish I'd never started this comp and I'm certainly wishing that I hadn't changed anything. It's so damn hard running a comp like this. You try to please everybody and end up pleasing nobody. :(

[Sportz]

Okay, well it's obvious that the rule changes I introduced haven't gone over well at all. That's an understatement! I thought I was doing the right thing, but obviously not. I should have just kept the rules as they were in my original post.

So, could I please get everyone's opinion on something before I go COMPLETELY INSANE over this comp. :(

How many people would like to simply revert back to all of the original rules of this comp?
Saturday and Public Holiday metro meetings only.
Each way betting allowed.
Only two trading periods where you can change your horses.

I apologise for all this stuffing around. As I said, I really thought I was doing the right thing, but all I've done is confuse and upset people and send myself round the bend, so I think the best thing to do is simply go back to all of the original rules that were in place when we chose our stables in the first place. :o

[Raw Instinct]

I don't care either way I just enjoy doing the comps but if I had to choose I would say leave it as it was

[Chuck]

How many people would like to simply revert back to all of the original rules of this comp?
Saturday and Public Holiday metro meetings only.
Each way betting allowed.
Only two trading periods where you can change your horses.

beautiful!!!

[kiwi]

Can we still reselect the stables.I have produced a new selection based on the new or is it old rules and was ready to go mid-week with a different group of animals.My old groups wern't running often enough and i thought Sportz' anytime, anywhere rule a good one.:)

[Sportz]

I think I'm going to go crazy. Everybody wants something different. :o

You know what. I can see that I'm going to have to start up a totally new comp for betting on all meetings while at the same time keeping this one going with the original rules for Saturdays only.

[Rudolph]

im easily pleased sports, i just think that the EW option is good, for horses that may be first up or need more ground and the place looks best for them.
i think it's fine to do just metro meetings, mostly Wed and Sat, and if thats the case then some updates to the stable are in order!

Keep on punting and finding winners!

[Chuck]

...i still say same rules...pretend nothing ever happened!!!

[punts2]

Almost subscribed to this thread when it started. Glad I didn’t.

In my book a ‘stable’ competition should be judged on the prize money a stable accrues over a specified period. After all in the real world, that’s the bottom line.

[Sportz]

Yeah, I thought about doing it that way, but we are after all, basically a forum full of punters, so I went with the betting part of it.

Definitely something I will think about for the Spring though.

[Sportz]

...i still say same rules...pretend nothing ever happened!!!

I like that. I'd really like to pretend nothing ever happened!!! :o

[Chuck]

Go to the first post of this thread!

if we just go from the same rules as if nothing ever happened then no one can complain

[Sportz]

Okay, well like it or not, here's what I've decided to do.

We won't make any changes to this competition at all. We'll stick to the original rules.

RULES

12 horses in your stable, 6 'Group A' horses and 6 'Group B' horses.

Hypothetical bets on all of your stable horses whenever they start at one of our nominated meetings. You'll bet either $20 Win or $10 EW on all Group A horses and you'll have either $10 Win or $5 EW on all Group B horses.

Two trading periods available where you can replace up to 3 of your stable horses with new selections for the rest of the comp. During these trading periods, you are also allowed to swap your A & B horses around if you wish, as long as you continue to have 6 of each.

Here are the meetings left to bet on:

Sat Apr 23 (Doom, Rand, Caul, Chel, Belm)
Mon Apr 25 (E.Frm, Rand, Flem, V.Pk, Belm)

First trading period
Tuesday Apr 26 to Midnight Friday Apr 29

Sat Apr 30 (Doom, Rose, Sand, Morp, Belm)
Mon May 2 (Doom)
Sat May 7 (E.Frm, Rose, Flem, Morp, Belm)
Sat May 14 (G.Cst, Rand, Sand, Morp, Belm)
Mon May 16 (Ipsw, Cant, Flem, Morp, Belm)

Second trading period
Tuesday May 17 to Midnight Friday May 20

Sat May 21 (Doom, Rose, M.Val, Chel, Belm)
Sat May 28 (Doom, Rose, Flem, Chel, Belm)
Sat June 4 (E.Frm, Rose, Sand, Chel, Belm)
Sat June 11 (E.Frm, Rand, Flem, Morp, Belm)
Mon June 13 (E.Frm, W.Frm, M.Val, Morp, Belm)

That's it. The rules exactly as we started the comp.

However, I've decided that I WILL start up another thread with a different version of this comp, just for people like kiwi, myself and any others who are interested in picking out horses to follow for any meetings on any day of the week and being able to change them more regularly.

[Sportz]

Leaderboard

$344.00 Mr Ed
$226.00 Chuck
$151.00 Raw Instinct
$126.00 Sportz
$121.00 Starcraft
$120.00 Paddy
$104.00 Sandgroper
$57.00 Mecurial
$54.00 Kiwi
$39.00 RomanKoz
$26.00 Rudolph

Sandgroper, you'll be pleased to note that I've re-calculated your total on an each-way basis and it's improved your position. Please continue in the comp.

[Sportz]

Saturday April 23

Moet Magic $10 Each Way

[Chuck]

Saturday:

$20 Win Happier


Monday (May be more)

$10 E/W Roman Arch

[Sportz]

Chuck,

Remember we did agree to keep it to metropolitan meetings only and I can only find Happier down for Newcastle tomorrow. Don't know what on earth it's doing there. It's in my stable too. :o

[Chuck]

damn...its an absolute sure thing...i will be backing it for sure if its anything above $1.30!!!

[Chuck]

i forgot Blessum $5 E/W

[Tenacious Spirit]

Yeh, ditto on Happier. I was looking in my copy of the winning post, and like the so called tipster had some other horse to beat happier and it was his best bet for the day. Serious paint sniffer.

[Sportz]

damn...its an absolute sure thing...i will be backing it for sure if its anything above $1.30!!!

Yeah, I'm not happy about it either. But remember you did want to stick to the original rules of the comp, and I agreed that's what we should do. So we'll both have to live with the trainer's strange decision to run the horse at Newcastle tomorrow. $1.30 might be a luxury.

[Sportz]

the so called tipster had some other horse to beat happier and it was his best bet for the day.

What was that horse? Northfield Drive?

[Tenacious Spirit]

Thats the one sportz.

[Raw Instinct]

MR 3 #7 Lightofprosperity $10 E/W
AR 4 #3 Tingirana $20 win
AR 4 #6 Lightning Command $10 win
PR 4 #1 True Steel $10 win

[Rudolph]

A-Team
Chelt R5-No.3 Kylikwong $20 win
Chelt R6-No.1 Zankel $20 win
Caulf R5-No.6 Bruges $20 win
B-Team
Caulf R4-No.4 Loyal Lauren $10 win
Caulf R6-No.8 Savage Attack $10 win

[Sandgroper]

PR4 No3 Laetare $5EW
PR8 No12 The Black Cigar $20W

[Sportz]

damn...its an absolute sure thing...i will be backing it for sure if its anything above $1.30!!!

Well, there you go. Just proves once again that there isn't any such thing as a sure thing.

[Chuck]

lucky for me it wasn't above $1.30, so i didn't back it! :D

[Chuck]

i forgot Blessum $5 E/W

lucky i remembered, isn't it!

[Chuck]

Saturday April 23

Moet Magic $10 Each Way

Brilliant run there...possibly one for the future...

[Sportz]

$344.00 Mr Ed
$246.50 Chuck
$231.00 Raw Instinct
$159.00 Rudolph
$150.00 Sportz
$132.50 Sandgroper
$121.00 Starcraft
$120.00 Paddy
$57.00 Mecurial
$54.00 Kiwi
$39.00 RomanKoz

[Sportz]

Brilliant run there...possibly one for the future...

I certainly hope so. :)

[Sandgroper]

PR3 No1 Fair Alert $5EW
PR4 No1 Laetare $5EW
PR4 No5 Tantra Dancer $10EW

[Sportz]

Remember that after today, you'll be able to make up to 3 changes to your stable and swap your A and B horses around if you wish. You have till midnight Friday to post your new stable for the second section of the comp.

As for me, just one runner today:
AR7-1 Southern Class $10 Win

[kiwi]

BRIBANE R 7 N)11 LATIN LOVER $10 EW

[Raw Instinct]

Devastating $20 win

[Rudolph]

Todays Bets
All at Flemington
$20 win Force Appollo
$10 win Devastatng
$10 win Lord Erin

[Chuck]

why, oh why did i have $10 e/w on Roman Arch instead of $20 Win :Shake of head:

[Sportz]

At least you had a win.

And it only won by a nose. So just think if it had lost by a nose, you would have been quite happy with each-way.

[Sportz]

$400.00 Mr Ed
$299.50 Chuck
$231.00 Raw Instinct
$159.00 Rudolph
$150.00 Sportz
$132.50 Sandgroper
$121.00 Starcraft
$120.00 Paddy
$57.00 Mecurial
$54.00 Kiwi
$39.00 RomanKoz

[Chuck]

How did Mr Ed go to $400 when he didn't even have a bet?

[Sportz]

Well, Mr Ed may not be around on the forum at the moment, but I'm still counting his stable runners, just as I am with Paddy. I expect you'll probably say that's not fair, but this comp is all about picking future winners and if Mr Ed can somehow manage to win despite not making any changes at all to his stable over the whole competition, then he really deserves it. Surely you or I or someone else should be able to beat him.

[kiwi]

Stable Changes


Kiwi
A: Middlemarch, Cool Front, Dance The Waves, Perilin, St Basil, Striking Victory
B: Bails, Racer's Success, Hit The Road, Power Hunt, Svenska, Vouvray:)

[Sandgroper]

Group A
Ambers Halo
Jarna’s Choice
Professional Lady
Royal Fire
Stormy Nova
Tantra Dancer


Group B
Dr John
Fair Alert
Laetare
Modem
Royal Minx
The Black Cigar


Out
Blevvo
Finito
Metaldale

In
Jarna’s Choice
Royal Fire
Stormy Nova

[Sportz]

Thanks.

[kiwi]

Group B

HIT THE ROAD
DOOMBEN Race 6 No 4

[Sportz]

Remember, everyone has till midnight tonight to change their stable for the second section of the comp. You can replace up to 3 of your original horses and you can swap any of your Group A & B horses around.

[kiwi]

Group A

ST BASIL
DOOMBEN Race 7 Horse 7

[Starcraft]

Picardi Run - $20 the win
Proudly Agro - $10 the win
Show Biz Kid - $5 each way

Kick donkeys or die!

[Sportz]

Starcraft,

Are you going to make any changes to your stable? Remember, up until midnight tonight, you can replace up to 3 of your original stable runners and swap your A & B horses around.

[Chuck]

Previous Stable:
A: Brockman's Lass, Happier, Portland Singa, Roman Arch, Sunlady, Zingam
B: Blessum, Country Lodge, Delzao, Gallic, Magnetism, Star Shiraz

New Stable:
A: Brockman's Lass, Portland Singa, Sunlady, Zingam, Zauberei, Furaat
B: Blessum, Country Lodge, Delzao, Magnetism, Star Shiraz, Takeover Target

OUT: Happier (A), Roman Arch (A), Gallic (B)
IN: Zauberei (A), Furaat (A), Takeover Target (B)

Saturday's Bets:

Rosehill 4-3 - Portland Singa - $10 E/W
Rosehill 4-1 - Zingham - $10 E/W (We're looking at 1-2 with these horses, add Zumanity for the tri ;)
Doomben 1-5 - Sunlady - $10 E/W (Would have been a certainty without the draw :( )
Doomben 3-6 - Zuberei - $20 WIN
Sandown 3-3 - Furaat - $20 WIN
Sandown 8-8 - Country Lodge - $5 E/W
Doomben 6-16 - Star Shiraz - $5 E/W
Doomben 7-6 - Takeover Target - $10 WIN

[Chuck]

I am confident (not cocky) that I will be leading by the end of the weekend ;)

[Chuck]

tough choice leaving out Moet Magic but, its only 12 horses!

[Raw Instinct]

Previuosly

A Horses

Devastating
Lightofprosperity
Merlot Now
Rashini
St. Basil
Tingirana

B Horses

Kincharm
Lightning Command
Presently
Raw Metal
Speedy King
True Steel

I would like to drop Lightofprosperity, Speedy Kind & True Steel
I would like to add Red Oog, Hit the Road & Portland Singa

A Horses

Devastating
St. Basil
Red Oog
Hit The Road
Portland Singa
Merlot Now

B Horses

Rashini
Tingirana
Kincharm
Lighting Command
Presently
Raw Metal

[Raw Instinct]

not sure if I can do exactly what I just did there Sportz if I am wrong please lt me know and I will fix it.

[Sportz]

Yep. Looks pretty good to me.

[Sportz]

Original Stable
A Crevette, Gallic, Happier, King's Valour, Moet Magic, Silent Lass
B Barker Lad, Laura's Charm, Sassbee, Shadoways, Southern Class, We Can't Say That

OUT: Crevette, Gallic, Silent Lass
IN: Foreplay, Only Words, Takeover Target

New Stable
A Foreplay, King's Valour, Moet Magic, Only Words, Sassbee, Takeover Target
B Barker Lad, Laura's Charm, Happier, Shadoways, Southern Class, We Can't Say That

[Raw Instinct]

SR 1 #1 Kincharm $10 win
SR 4 #3 Portland Singa $20 win
AR 6 #1 Merlot Now $20 win
BR 6 #4 Hit the Road $10 e/w
BR 7 #7 St. Basil $10 e/w
BR 7 #10 Red Oog $10 e/w

[Sportz]

Saturday Apr 30

B5-15 We Can't Say That $5 EW
B7-6 Takeover Target $20 Win
B7-16 Only Words $10 EW
S7-10 King's Valour $10 EW
M1-7 Laura's Charm $5 EW
M6-2 Foreplay $20 Win
A4-15 Barker Lad $5 EW
A7-20 Sassbee $10 EW

A couple of those will probably be scratched (notably sassbee :().

[kiwi]

Group B

HIT THE ROAD
DOOMBEN Race 6 No 4 $10 win

Group A
PERLIN
Sandown-Hillside Race 7 No 2 $20 win

ST BASIL
Doomben Race 7 No 7 $20win

[Sandgroper]

Jarna’s Choice Belmont R2 $10EW

Royal Minx Belmont R2 $5EW

Royal Fire Belmont R5 $10EW

Professional Lady Belmont R6 $20WIN

The Black Cigar Belmont R7 $10WIN

[Sportz]

I've had an ABSOLUTE SHOCKER!!! :(

[Chuck]

Portland Singa - $10 E/W (1st)
Zingham - $10 E/W (2nd)
Sunlady - $10 E/W (X)
Zuberei - $20 WIN (1st)
Furaat - $20 WIN (1st)
Country Lodge - $5 E/W (2nd)
Star Shiraz - $5 E/W (X)
Takeover Target - $10 WIN (X)

[Sportz]

Chuck,

You and Raw Instinct both had a good day. Haven't done all the figures yet, but you're on $499.50 and Raw is on $414.00. Meanwhile, my stable runners were HOPELESS!

[Sportz]

$499.50 Chuck
$414.00 Raw Instinct
$400.00 Mr Ed
$172.00 Sandgroper
$159.00 Rudolph
$150.00 Sportz
$121.00 Starcraft
$120.00 Paddy
$105.00 RomanKoz
$90.00 Kiwi
$57.00 Mecurial

[Chuck]

I am confident (not cocky) that I will be leading by the end of the weekend ;)
:D:D:D

[Raw Instinct]

BR 3 #5 Rashini $10 win