Fairness for all.....

[BJ]

I think there needs to be a structure in the draw that does not favour the strong....
The position a team finishes at the end of the year should be used to make the following years draw.
All teams that finish in an odd position would play each other odd 2 times, and all the evens once. This would provide a draw of 22 games where everybody has an equal chance. The strong teams should not be favoured with their draw, such as Anzac Day. Is there big crowds there because of who is playing, or because people like to go to the footy that day....
Everybody should get a go to provide fair coverage of all teams. It is hard for teams down the bottom because not only do they have to improve their performance, they also have to fight for every sponsorship dollar.


Also, I think that the ladder scoring needs to change. What I propose is that as well as the 4 points awarder for a win, teams should be fighting for a point for every quarter. 8 points up for grabs every game. This would provide incentive to play out every quarter of every game. Might even help reduce flooding even..?


Another thing I would like to see is cheerleaders for every team. Why don't we have cheerleaders....?

Does anybody have opinions on these 3 suggestions?

[Sportz]

As far as your first suggestion goes, it doesn't matter what our opinion is. It simply aint gonna happen in the near future, because the AFL will make sure that Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon play each other twice and they'll also make sure that there's two games between Adel/Port, W.Cst/Frem & Bris/Syd.

I think your second suggestion will lead to a bit of confusion. What about a system like the Super12. They give 4 points for a win, plus a bonus point if you score 4 tries and another bonus point if you lose by 7 points or less. In AFL, that would be like getting a bonus point if you kick say 16 goals and another bonus point if you lose by maybe 15 points or less??? How about that?

As for cheerleaders, well that's one thing the NRL has over the AFL. :)

[Sportz]

In AFL, that would be like getting a bonus point if you kick say 16 goals and another bonus point if you lose by maybe 15 points or less

Using that system, during Rd3, Melbourne, Collingwood and Adelaide would have got 5 points, and of the losing teams, Carlton, St Kilda, Brisbane, Fremantle, Hawthorn and W.Bulldogs would have all picked up 1 point. A lot of close finishes. You wouldn't normally get that many losing teams picking up the bonus point.

[moeee]

What about a system like the Super12. They give 4 points for a win, plus a bonus point if you score 4 tries and another bonus point if you lose by 7 points or less. In AFL, that would be like getting a bonus point if you kick say 16 goals and another bonus point if you lose by maybe 15 points or less??? How about that?


So what are you on about?
The less you win by the more points you get!
Lost a bit in the translation I imagine.
Leave well enough alone!

[Sportz]

It's quite easy Mo. You would simply reward teams for attacking and kicking lots of goals, and you'd also give teams some reward when they're beaten by a small margin. There would still be the regular 4 points for a win, 2 for a draw, 0 for a loss, but teams could also pick up bonus points like this:

Kicking plenty of goals.
Any team, winner or loser which kicks say 16+ goals in the match gets a bonus point.
Being beaten by a small margin
The losing team would get a bonus point if they were beaten by no more than say 12 or 15 points, something like that.

So using a couple of examples:
Melbourne v Geelong
Melbourne thrashed Geelong and scored more than 16 goals. They would get 5 points and Geelong 0.
Brisbane v Sydney
Sydney won by 6 after the siren and neither team managed 16 goals. Sydney would get 4 points and Brisbane 1.

Anyway, it's just an idea. Don't expect there's even the slightest chance of anything like that happening any time soon, but it's been quite successful in Super 12 Rugby.

[Paddy]

150% behind your 3rd suggestion BJ :D

[Mr J]

Yeh I love the bonus points system in S12. Encourages teams to keep playing and to go for the tries (over taking the shot at goal). It reall affects the comp too, look at NSW with all those bonus points.

As for cheerleaders, well they know how to do it in s.africa...look what happened when NSW tried it, 30-40 12 yo girls...kinda disturbing. NRL knows how to do it. AFL, well their outfits explain what team AFL bats for, so I guess they don't need the girls.

[mug punta]

I went to my one and only storm game a cuppla years ago and there was all this hoopla such as music between tries and cheerleaders and typical seppo crap.
Aussie Rules has been such a good game it hasn't needed such things, but, if the coaches keep up this pseudo soccer game that we currently see we may need a lot more than a few scantily clad chicks to get people to go watch a game.

[Sportz]

One of the reasons I suggested a bonus point for scoring a certain number of goals. Surely, if there was an enticement of an extra point for scoring say 16+ goals, it would lead to a bit more open attacking Football???

[BJ]

I stick with my suggestion of a point for winning each quarter. But as a St.Kilda supporter would love the free ride your suggestion offers.

Surely a team playing under the roof would score 16+ goals more than a team at the MCG......
Are you suggesting that this is fair? A game played in sloppy conditions might struggle to produce 16 goals between both teams.
What about this:
A vs B
A 15.5 95
B 2.3 15

C vs D
C 16.10 106
D 14.6 90

Team A won by 80 points, and gets 4 ladder points. Team C won by 16 points and gets 5 ladder points. Surely a dominant performance should provide more ladder points than a high scoring one.

As far as the cheerleaders. I totally agree that there should be no music and other bull**** during game time. Their purpose would be to be eye candy before and after the game. Something to keep the crowd there even if their team is being flogged....

[BJ]

Current Ladder

PWDL F A % Total QuartersWon
1 Melbourne 3 3 0 0 354 234 151.28 12 10
2 Kangaroos 3 3 0 0 287 237 121.1 12 5.5
3 West Coast 3 3 0 0 236 195 121.03 12 7.5
4 Adelaide 3 2 0 1 258 195 132.31 8 8.5
5 Sydney 3 2 0 1 264 218 121.1 8 7.5
6 Richmond 3 2 0 1 289 333 86.79 8 5
7 Fremantle 3 1 0 2 226 200 113 4 7.5
8 Brisbane 3 1 0 2 270 255 105.88 4 8

9 Bulldogs 3 1 0 2 307 305 100.66 4 5
10 Geelong 3 1 0 2 288 296 97.3 4 4
11 Collingwood 3 1 0 2 283 301 94.02 4 5.5
12 St Kilda 3 1 0 2 245 274 89.42 4 5
13 Carlton 3 1 0 2 303 339 89.38 4 5
14 Essendon 3 1 0 2 240 288 83.33 4 5
15 Port Adel 3 1 0 2 184 285 64.56 4 3
16 Hawthorn 3 0 0 3 219 298 73.49 0 4

My Ladder

P W D L F A % Total
1 Melbourne 3 3 0 0 354 234 151.28 22
2 West Coast 3 3 0 0 236 195 121.03 19.5
3 Kangaroos 3 3 0 0 287 237 121.1 17.5
4 Adelaide 3 2 0 1 258 195 132.31 16.5
5 Sydney 3 2 0 1 264 218 121.1 15.5
6 Richmond 3 2 0 1 289 333 86.79 13
7 Brisbane 3 1 0 2 270 255 105.88 12
8 Fremantle 3 1 0 2 226 200 113 11.5

9 Collingwood 3 1 0 2 283 301 94.02 9.5
10 Bulldogs 3 1 0 2 307 305 100.66 9
11 St Kilda 3 1 0 2 245 274 89.42 9
12 Carlton 3 1 0 2 303 339 89.38 9
13 Essendon 3 1 0 2 240 288 83.33 9
14 Geelong 3 1 0 2 288 296 97.3 8
15 Port Adel 3 1 0 2 184 285 64.56 7
16 Hawthorn 3 0 0 3 219 298 73.49 4

[Sportz]

Not saying my suggestion was perfect, just adapting the system they use in S12. I definitely think that teams that lose by a narrow margin could be given a bonus point though. Always seems tough when two teams slog it out for 3 hours, one team gets up by less than a goal and they get four competition points while the other team gets none.

[BJ]

Not saying my suggestion was perfect, just adapting the system they use in S12. I definitely think that teams that lose by a narrow margin could be given a bonus point though. Always seems tough when two teams slog it out for 3 hours, one team gets up by less than a goal and they get four competition points while the other team gets none.

That was the point of my original post...
Take the 2 games last round, Bris/Syd and St.K/Kang.
Bris and Saints won each of the first 3 quarters. Then the opposition got up by 6/7 points.
Kang/Syd would both receive 5 points.
Bris/St.K would both receive 3 points.
Whereas the Melb/Geel game saw the Demons win every quarter.
Melb would receive 8 points.
Geel would receive 0 points.

[moeee]

Not saying my suggestion was perfect, just adapting the system they use in S12. I definitely think that teams that lose by a narrow margin could be given a bonus point though.

They do get a bonus Sportznut!
It's called percentage.
Do they have percentages as separators in the S12 ladder?

[moeee]

The idea is to win,not run a close second.
No prizes for second best.
Leave well enough alone.