TRIFECTA PLAN

[Bhagwan]

Heres a plan that has pulled some reasonable payers with no real long runs of outs, which is the biggest killer of all trifecta systems.

1)Target races with 7-9 runners only.

2)Get six horses by selecting the 6 with the best average prize money as shown in the Sportsman or Wizard form guides.

3)Outlay- now this is the important bit.
Dont box them (cost $120).
We bet 2 horses to run either 2nd or 3rd with 4 others .Cost $80

We need one or both of the anchor sels. to run a place(2nd or 3rd.) with one or two of the other 4 to run a place in any order.
2 anchor sels. with 4 others=2*4*5=40*2=$80 outlay.

What we have done is reduced the cost of a std. box 6 trifecta by 33% without compromising the spread of exposure by very much.
Remember we dont require both anchor sels. to get up for us , just one to run 2nd or 3rd (not 1st).

The 2 horses with the best average prize money can be the anchor bets

[Bhagwan]

Another, and I personaly feel is a stronger way of placing this 6 horse trifecta would be ,

2 sel*4 others*4=24*3=$72
or in other words,
2*4*4
4*2*4
4*4*2
Cost 72 units.@.50 cents=$36
We need one of the 2 anchor sels. to get up (but not both).with 2 of the other 4 getting up in any order.
We have reduced the std. box trifecta cost ($120 ) down to $72 , a massive 40% reduction.

The 2 anchor horses could be the 2 with the best av. prize money .

[Bhagwan]

I forgot to mention ,to only bet on races where the whole feild has had a run .

How did the method go today???
Any luck?

[Bhagwan]

Results 16th June
Using the 6 best average prize money in races with 7-9 runners
Useing the 2 shortest priced ,of the 6 sels. in the newspaper pre-post market, as the rovering bankers.

Bris.2)1,2,3,5,7,8.... $67
Syd.1)1,2,4,5,6,7.......$382
Syd.5)2,3,4,5,6,8.......Loss

Outlay $72*3=$217
Return $449
Profit $232.....107% POT

[Bhagwan]

The 1,2,3,etc. is your 1st.2nd.3rd Selection in average prize money order .

As stated they dont have to run in order ,it can be any order, as long as the 2 anchor bets dont get up together(I`m talking about the $72 version.)

These are called Rovers, because they must fill one of the three placings,otherwise we miss out.
We dont want both rovers getting up in the same race together.

You will find ,that if you take the 2 shortest priced horses as per
pre-post prices as per newspaper, that they very rearly appear together in the placings & when they do, they don`t pay much, therefore not worth spending good money to cover ,when the return is ordiary.

By the way, some people may feel that the derrogitory race comment,(which I won`t repeat)
politicly un-cool. Sorry ,butI just feel you have know.

[Bhagwan]

This is how you would call this bet to a Telebet operator.

Example only.
Doomban race 8. roving banker trifecta No.1 the rover from Nos.3,4,5,6 for .50cents.

Same race roving banker trifecta No.2 the rover from Nos.3,4,5,6 for .50cents
Cost 72 combinations at .50c=$36.00

Of course if you are in NSW one could use their FlexiBet service which can cost even less. I`m in QLD & we can now use .25cent bets for Trifectas.

Make sure you have a bank big enough to handle any runs of outs & small divs. say at least 50 to 1 ratio. You dont want to be betting with frightened money ,especially Trifectas.

I`ve made a pile of money out of this plan,so much so, I`m taking my family to Bali today for 2 weeks , back on the 4th.July
(the Americans independance day could be our
dependence day when the bets go on for the day.)

Remember the 2 roving bankers of the 6 horses that qualify, are the 2 at the shortest price in the pre-post odds in the newspaper.

[Privateer]

Bhagwan, have a nice holiday mate.

Guro "Latin for midas touch"? heheheh

"guro" is Japanese for black!

The closest latin to "midas touch" would be aurum contineo or very similar.

Privat Edictus

[Shaun]

Have you tried this and how do you think it would go....maximum 10 runners find the top 6 avg prize money winners.....your top avg money winner as the rover with the other 5....cost $60
Maybe with the top 6 horses you could use your own assesment for the rover if you choose...

[Bhagwan]

You will find it wont work so well.

[Merriguy]

Welcome back, Bhagwan, the forum hasn't been the same without you!! Trust you enjoyed Bali.

Have been studying your trifecta plan and see much merit in it. The idea of one of the two previous day favourites not getting up in the first three troubles me a bit --- especially when your field size is so small.

Have you considered the idea in betting on the greyhounds?

Most of their fields come within the 7-9 size. I've tried --- without knowing anything about dogs --- just making some betting judgements from the TAB as the event is imminent. Found I can get one in two, perhaps three, of the trifectas. There's no value if only seven or less dogs run though; and the trifecta pool has to be a reasonable size.

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[Equine Investor]

Yeah, welcome back Bhagwan...wondered where you'd got to!

:grin:

[trench digger]

Mr Bhagwan,
Gave your trifecta plan a run today. Cannot argue with strike rate (100%)but with 4 winning trifectas suffered a loss of $14. At this rate i will be digging ditches from the Harbour Bridge to Port Douglas. Have you any statistics on your ave div & strike rate over a period of time. Despite the loss today i found your plan very enjoyable and full of merrit. I bet SYD Race 2 & 5 and Perth Race 1 & 3.
SYD 2 WON But loss of $25
SYD 5 WON But loss of $30
WA 1 WON But collect $2.25
WA 3 WON collect $38.
I will keep trying and hopefully i will get to Bali before Port Dougy.

[Bhagwan]

Dear Mr Trench Digger.
I hope Mrs Trench Digger is well.

As they say. A Swallow does not make a summer, but maybe seen as a very successful evening.

You will have strong days & not so strong days , that`s the nature of the punt.

[Bhagwan]

Thanks Guys, for your greetings .

Bali was great , I went broke saving a fortune on stuff I did`nt need.

I can see this trifecta plan, working very well on the dogs.Once again ,it`s very rare that you see the 1st & 2nd Fav. getting up in the same trifecta together.

Check it out.

[trench digger]

Mr Bhagwan,
Mrs Digger is very,very well. She asked me to remind you her christian name is Gold.Thanks again for your Trifecta Plan in lieu of any long term results I think i'll just monitor your plan for a few months before investing again as it may require many dollars each saturday.
Trench Digger

[trench digger]

Not a good day for the plan today.

6 races that fit the rules.

No collects.

Loss for day $432.00

Position since trial started -$446.

I will continue to monitor and post results.

[Bhagwan]

Trifectas are tricky buggers.
Thats why we suggest a bank to withstand 50 outs.
They are not for the faint hearted because they have a habbit of ripping your heart out through your butt.
It only takes a small handfull to recover.
One has to have the right temprament to take them on.
I feel you have the right idea of giving it a dry run first, as one should for any new punting idea .
It might not suit ones temprament after analysing the stats & with trifectas ,the stats will be all over the shop.

What is the most frustrating is when a 100/1 donkey gets in the placings with no previous form & pays a motsa.

[trench digger]

Oh dear.... another losing day.
Sat 13 July 2002
SYD 1 WIN but lose $34.20

SYD 2 MISS lose $72.00

BRIS 2 MISS lose $72.00

PERTH 3 Miss lose $72.00
Will keep monitoring for another couple of weeks.
Trench Digger

[supersoul]

Hi Trenchdigger
I married a Miss Wright- only afterwards I realized her first name was Always...

[trench digger]

Another frustrating day for the plan!
Races Bet 9
Trifectas Won 5
Total Bet $648.00
Total Return $452.00
Profit/Loss ($196.10)

[Bhagwan]

Trifectas are frustrating.

Heres an angle that has a low out going with reasonable results.
Using the pre-post market in the newspaper.

Back either the first or second fav. to win and leave the other out all together .

Then back the 3rd.4th.5th.6th&7th Fav. to run 2nd.& 3rd.
So it will look like this
1st.or 2nd Fav to win(leaving one out) with 3-7th Favs. to run 2nd.& 3rd.
Cost $20 outlay for a $1.00 unit

If horses are sharing the same price line in the newspaper. Take them in numerical TAB order.E.g. if TAB Nos.1,2,3 are all on the 3rd. line of betting , they now become selections 3,4,5 to run 2nd. & 3rd.

If there are 2 horses sharing favortisim, the are treated as being 1st.& 2nd. Favorite.
You now have to delete one of them alltogether. Because they very rarely get up to gether in the same trifecta.

[Bhagwan]

Results-Wed 17th.July, using the $20 Plan.

13 races with 7-9 runners
The selection of the 2 Favs. was the one with the widest barrier (they tend to pay more when they get up).
With the 3rd.- 7th. Fav. in newspaper.

Dont take any notice of form, even if they have not run before, because we are assuming the bookmaker who framed the market has take form & trial runs into his calculation of the price shown.

1 Trifecta win only $550
Outlay $260
Profit $290 112% POT on the day.

Frustrating stuff, many of the 1st & 2nd. Favs. fell over on the day.

[trench digger]

Mr Bhagwan,
Have you any more significant results than the 1 midweek meeting for the new $20 plan.

You must understand that many less experienced punters than you (like myself)will jump straight in hoping to get to Bali by Christmas (although they tell me its not the time to go)only to lose thier money.

Hows Mrs B.