Isn't it amazing how many horses win with form line 117 or worse i take note the last in melbourne....can any one do some research on this for me i am interested in how many horses win with a form line 117 or worse and if posible the weight they carried....i notice from an old system i use to follow that a lot of topweights win like this

Shaun, I've been onto this one for a long time, horses that win 2 in a row, often fail at the 3rd attempt but come back to win at VERY good odds on either the 4th OR 5th attempt, as you have already noticed.

I also would like to see some long term statistics, but can't afford the outlay for past results and also can't convince those that have to publish them in this forum!!

You would need some other filters to make anything out of this - like most really simple form ideas it doesn't hold up by itself. Since the start of last year (so about 15 months data) we have:

Form/Selections/Winners/Profit-Loss
117: 132/15/-28.20
118: 129/16/-65.70
119: 102/12/-19.20
110: 228/22/-90.50

Limiting to topweight only cuts down the selections a lot but doesn't make a big difference to POT

Becareful, thanks for the data, that helps.

My idea though was based on the 2 wins regardless of the placing on the 3rd attempt, and also backing the sel. on the next TWO runs, i.e. 4th & 5th attempt.

A good example Sat last was, SR 2-10 Crianca. but good stuff!

this would be the only form line i would look at

117
118
119
110

just backing the top weight would limit your selections

what about beaten lenghts in the equation.
obviously if a horse ran 7th beaten 2 lengths would be a better proposition tha one beaten 10 lengths.
perhaps the horse was checked/blocked/ridden badly/ran wide etc.

yes...i have always liked beaten lenghts rather than positions

117-110 showed a loss over 2 yrs

111-116 showed a profit 22% POT , if one places some form filters into it , such as .

Last run within 28 days
Going F or G
$3.30-16.00 in pre-post
Ranked 1-7 in pre-post market order

Not sure if any of that data was actually in reply to my idea, but thanks anyway, good stuff!
I still wonder about that 5th attempt though , regardless of the finishing possies of the 3rd and 4th attempt????

Consider Average Prizemoney Ranking and Race Prizemoney increase or decrease and you have yourself a nice little earner!

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